Marcus Mariota “Project” Equals “Half A Season”
January 19th, 2015
A former NFL general manager and highly respected personnel man has chimed in with an interesting take on letting a quarterback learn the NFL from the sidelines.
Phil Savage, the former Browns GM and Ravens and Eagles executive, dialed into Philadelphia sports radio over the weekend. In Philly, they are obsessed with the idea of trading up with the Buccaneers for Marcus Mariota, so the subject of the Oregon QB was on the table. Matt Lombardo, of NJ.com, took notes
Savage, who now runs the Senior Bowl, said he doesn’t see Mariota as a quick fix for any team but the definition of “quick” has changed considerably.
“If he falls, it’s not going to be that far. He’s got excellent traits. He’s got leadership in his own way. First class off the field. A lot of character. He’s more of a long-term project. When I say long-term project in the NFL, a half a season,” Savage said. “There is no development anymore with these quarterbacks because everyone is so desperate to get one and get one on the field as quickly as possible.”
Yes, tolerating Mariota sitting for a season behind Josh McCown a bad starting quarterback would take a very strong stomach for all associated with the Buccaneers, fans especially. In the real world of the NFL, this matters. Even former Bucs rockstar general manager Mark Dominik talked about how fan opinion shapes decisions.
Smart or not, the ramifications of Mariota potentially on the Bucs’ bench learning the NFL for a year is a consideration at One Buc Palace. And then there’s the fear that Mariota might not make it. All first-round picks come with what NFL suits call a “bust rate.”
Savage elaborated on Mariota’s risk.
“The bottom line and the reality of it is,” Savage explained. “A lot of the visual pictures that Mariota has been taught not to throw the ball into or has not really had to because he has had other options with more wide open receivers, that’s not going to happen in the NFL. I think that’s the real transition, not only for Mariota but for most of these spread quarterbacks.”
The Bucs will do their research into Mariota and Jameis Winston, but as loyal readers here know, Joe believes the choice should be very clear. The Chase for Jameis will end in 100 days.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
The Big Dog (Steve Duemig) spent about 20 minutes on his show today making a strong, factual and solid case for Mariota.
Quite interesting.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:35 pm
Yes and then there’s the polar opposite Jameis. He’s so confident of his talent that he insisted on throwing not just to tight windows but windows that were shut. How long before Jameis realizes his talent alone will not cut it in the NFL.
How many ints will Jameis toss before he realizes his talent is not any greater than the DB’s he’s facing?
Both are a crap shoot. Which one has the personality to persevere and learn to throw the ball away instead of blind faith in their talent leading them to force the ball. Yes Favre was famous for that and in the beginning of his career he took a lot of heat for it, even getting traded. Does Jameis have Favre’s skill set and upside? Because he will be tossing plenty of ints if he starts year one.
All the crap about NFL ready makes me laugh.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
Sitting for half a season would be NOTHING….strong stomach…..Buc fans have cast iron stomach after all they have endured
January 19th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
Lovie CAN’T afford to wait.
The city and the owners are already doubting his ability to evaluate talent. His honeymoon is over. He actually proved himself to be WORSE that Schiano AND Morris – which I thought was damn near impossible.
The way I see it, if it was year one, he could afford to take MM. But the bloom is off the rose. He needs someone ready to play with the players he has now.
Lovie has NO CHOICE but to take Winston.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
Mariota will be tossing plenty of INTs his rookie year as well…
January 19th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
If Mariota is drafted in the top 15 he’ll be lucky to even be in the league in a 4 years. With a first round pick most fans aren’t going to be willing to sit around and wait on him to get on the job training and learn to be a pro level QB. It’s going to take him more than 1 year to get a grasp and master all of the things that he’s not doing in that gimmick offense that they run. Russell Wilson at least played in a pro style offense in college and was used to taking snaps from under the center and passing from the pocket. There’s just too many things that Mariota hasn’t shown while playing in that gimmicky offense that the run at Oregon. By the Way Darron Thomas also looked good running that Oregon offense and you see where he’s at now (arena league).
1. He doesn’t take snaps from under the center and drop back to pass
2. They rarely let him pass in the red-zone normally once they get inside the 10 yd. line they try to let him run it in, hit a quick bubble screen or hand it off to the running back.
3. He has no pocket presence I’ve watched several games where he bailed out of the pocket when there were guys open. He eventually completed quite a few of the passes but missed initial reads that he should have been able to make without even having to buy extra time.
4. I also question his arm strength after watching that National Championship game that was a weak throw at the end of the game when they were just trying to throw up a hail mary.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
Since Football for Lovie doesn’t start until November, the timing for Mariota is perfect.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Oh but he is a nice guy if that’s what you’re looking for. Me personally I’m not looking for someone to win Mr. Congeniality contests I want someone that will win football games.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
If I thought he was going to end up being the better pro I’d be all for waiting a year. The truth though is that he is not going to be the better pro and it’s not even close.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
To be honest, as much as I would love a huge turnaround and to go 11-5 next year, I just don’t see it. I think 8-8 would be realistic.We need to add a lot of pieces this year and next, before we can be a solid good team up and down. And for that reason, I, as a diehard fan would be ok with a rookie qb sitting halfw a season, maybe even a full one to really learn the game. I’m worried Bortles is being ruined bc he never got a realistic chance.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
BucFanForever —- Very Nice!!!! Ding Ding! And remember you don’t need points!
January 19th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
Darron Thomas’ Draft Profile while in the Oregon Offense (sounds familiar to their current QB):
Overview
Thomas made a surprising decision to forgo his senior year and enter the NFL draft following a 2011 season in which he led Oregon to a Rose Bowl victory. Only a year removed from appearing in the National Championship Game, Thomas had an extremely productive season. He has some intriguing aspects to his game, and with a strong pre-draft process he could be picked in the late rounds.
Analysis
Strengths
There is something to be said for being able to run such a high-tempo spread-option offense like the one run at Oregon. Thomas is an excellent game manager who ran an offense built around the quarterback controlling the pace and getting the ball to playmakers without making critical mistakes. He is deceptively big and strong at 6-foot-3, 215 pounds and can add weight to his frame. He can make quick decisions with the ball and is an accurate passer in the short-to-intermediate game. A threat as a runner, Thomas also can get zip on some of his balls.
Weaknesses
Thomas has technical issues in his throwing motion that will need to be addressed for him to stand a chance at the next level. Although he releases the ball at a high point, he has a lot of wasted motions that delay the timing of routes. He often made easy, dump-off throws within Oregon’s offense and wasn’t relied upon to place the ball in tight spots. He isn’t the open-field athlete that his pocket movements might suggest.
January 19th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
Throwing either Mariota or Winston out there in the first game of the season would be a horrible mistake. Either pick, they both sit for at least 6 games. Did no one else but me see the pounding McCown took last season? Doesn’t anyone else see what would happen to a rookie QB starting for the Bucs? And puh-lease…..don’t use the Russell Wilson analogy. Wilson had a Super Bowl-bound o-line blocking for him and a Hall of Fame running back to hand off to. A better analogy would be RGIII. Look what happened there. Draft Mariota is my pick but I’m happy with either one. Just don’t anyone expect much from our #1 pick next season until we can get a functional o-line. Maybe we can get Donald Penn back?
January 19th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Glazers say No to Winston. IMO. #ThugNasty
January 19th, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Please bucs ,, I am a season tkt holder who wants a quality qb…which is NOT Winston..
January 19th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
The choice should be neither. Come on guys, we’re setteling for a false choice. Winston is good, not great and not enough to over his off field concerns and both will be driving beer trucks in a couple of years. Don’t listen to joe. If the bucs did we would have bust in waiting Johnny football and not mike Evans. Trade down get all the picks we can and play Glennon. I’m not a fan but on balance preferable to either winston or mariota.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
Mariota will be worth whatever short-term investment it takes. He’s the more likely to have the successful 12 year career, and Winston’s the more likely to Freeman his way to being out of the league in 3 or 4 seasons.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
“The choice should be neither.”
Good plan, that way the next ten years can be like the last ten years – a bunch of 4-12 seasons and consistently having the crappiest QB in the division, if not the NFC.
It’s a quarterback league, you HAVE to try and get one when you have the choice – even if there’s no such thing as a guarantee.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
“It’s a quarterback league, you HAVE to try and get one when you have the choice – even if there’s no such thing as a guarantee”
Only 1 of the 4 QB’s this weekend was a first round pick !
January 19th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
after watching the nfc championship game I really want to go with Winston now…..no one says anything about aaron Rodgers on the sideline grinning like a goof ball imitation of josh freeman when his team was up against the super bowl champions and instead of keeping everyone focused on playing 60 it was a celebration. I don’t want an aaron Rodgers clone mr dungy and I mariotta on the sideline sitting like a quiet puppy too if he was in that situation
January 19th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
Rob, agree on winston. My point is that few of us are considering options. It’s become winston vs mariota as the only options joe has put forward. My preference is to trade down get a bunch of picks and build the roster. We are years and lots of holes from being Super Bowl ready. I don’t believe either qbs will get us there. Winston because he’ll be suspended out of the league, mariota because he won’t make it. While a crap shoot, I believe we should build the roster and play Glennon. iMo he’s a better pro than Winston or mariota will be. We won a super bowl with brad johnson
January 19th, 2015 at 6:33 pm
Man I really hope the Bucs can fleece the Jets for their 2015, 2016, and 2017 #1 picks in exchange for the Bucs #1 this year. Let them draft Mariota or Winston and suck for the next couple of years while the Bucs sit pretty with those high picks. Might even be able to draft Hackenberg in a year or two with those picks?
January 19th, 2015 at 6:34 pm
The reason why its not essential to draft a QB this year is because this team is highly likely to be in the bottom 10 picks again next year, possibly even bottom 5 again. So, as a wise man once told me, there’s always next year. I know people want to believe drafting a QB means automatic turnaround, but no, that’s not gonna happen.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Um, no. 2 QBs out of the 4 were 1st round picks, including one #1 pick. Brady and Wilson are the exceptions, not the rule.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
“The reason why its not essential to draft a QB this year is because this team is highly likely to be in the bottom 10 picks again next year, possibly even bottom 5 again.’……..BINGO !!!
January 19th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
Toes on the line- what you said
January 19th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Bucrightoff- you are correct!
January 19th, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Tom the case the big dog made today was supposed to support Mariota but what he didn’t realize is he really made a strong case for Jameis. He talked about throwing four picks but finding a way to win. Who does that sound like to you? He also talked about bringing a team back which Jameis has done many times and Mariota has never done. Keep in mind just last week he was critiquing JAMEIS For throwing 4 picks. He clearly wants us to pick Mariota (because he is clueless )and will say anything to make his case.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:41 pm
Nog, who cares, you can’t lead a team back from your couch which is where he’ll end up
January 19th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
‘IF’ the Bucs trade down, and get picks in next year’s draft also, they will have ammunition to trade up ‘IF’ there is a worthy QB next year (the kid @ Ohio St looks promising). This isn’t the ONLY year for first round QBs. The Bucs may also have a team better equipped to help a young QB.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Hawk, well said. Are we the only few who get this?
January 19th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Rob Says:
January 19th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
Mariota will be worth whatever short-term investment it takes. He’s the more likely to have the successful 12 year career, and Winston’s the more likely to Freeman his way to being out of the league in 3 or 4 seasons.
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IF he has the talent to play in the pros is the huge IF when it comes to Mariota. We all know he’s a nice guy and probably won’t get into off-field issues but can he actually play nfl caliber football? That’s the huge question and risk with drafting him. No one knows because he hasn’t shown anything on the field that translates into the pros other than being a nice guy.
Glennon is a nice guy also and will probably be around the league for a long time too but as a career back-up but that doesn’t make him a better option than going after Winston.
January 19th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
“Only 1 of the 4 QB’s this weekend was a first round pick !”
For starters, Luck and Rodgers were both first round picks.
Second, Wilson and Brady are the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of franchise-caliber QB’s were taken in the first round. Believe me, I looked. Here’s a list of quarterbacks drafted outside of the first round between 2008 and 2012:
2008:
Brian Brohm
Chad Henne
Kevin O’Connell
John David Booty
Dennis Dixon
Josh Johnson
Erik Ainge
Colt Brennan
Andre’ Woodson
Matt Flynn
Alex Brink
2009:
Pat White
Stephen McGee
Rhett Bomar
Nate Davis
Tom Brandstater
Mike Teel
Keith Null
Curtis Painter
Brian Hoyer
2010:
Jimmy Clausen
Colt McCoy
Mike Kafka
John Skelton
Jonathan Crompton
Rusty Smith
Dan LeFevour
Joe Webb
Tony Pike
Levi Brown
Sean Canfield
Zac Robinson
2011:
Ryan Mallett
Ricky Stanzi
T.J. Yates
Nathan Enderle
Tyrod Taylor
Greg McElroy
2012:
Brock Osweiler
Russell Wilson (the single exception to the rule over the 5 seasons I looked through)
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Lindley
B.J. Coleman
Chandler Harnish
Outside of Russell Wilson, there isn’t a SINGLE name on there that I’d consider a legit, franchise quarterback.
For every Tom Brady and Russell Wilson that fortunate teams stumble their way into drafting late, there are 20 Brock Osweilers and Rusty Smiths.
So like I said, when you have a shot at a franchise-caliber, blue-chip QB – you’d better damn well draft him. It’s just too hard to find that guy in this league, Bucs fans should know as well as anyone.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
So based on 16 games so far if Glennon is destined to be a career NFL backup based on his numbers and play is it safe to assume the same for EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, and Derek Carr? I mean Glennon has better numbers and none of the other guys have led their teams to the playoffs or even a winning record either? I know I’m considered MGM but damn if you look at his body of work so far he’s looked as good if not better than any QB drafted in the past couple years.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:01 pm
The Big Dog (Steve Duemig) spent about 20 minutes on his show today making a strong, factual and solid case for Mariota.
Quite interesting.
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Ok the we should take Winston.
Duemig’s history tells us that.
He wanted to run the following people out of town:
Dungy
Gruden
Maddon
Tortorella
Dilfer
He wanted to keep:
Raheem Morris
Josh Freeman
January 19th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
Winston is a crapshoot and Mariota is a project. Bucs should not gamble with the #1 pick. Take Williams who is the best player in this draft, or trade down a few spots, get a couple of extra picks and draft Peat who will be your franchise LT for 10 years. If the Bucs insist on taking onQB’s I would much rather it be Mariota
January 19th, 2015 at 7:04 pm
Patrick, I’m with you
January 19th, 2015 at 7:06 pm
Toes on the line mg also looks better than winston or mariota
January 19th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
@Rob Says:
January 19th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
“Only 1 of the 4 QB’s this weekend was a first round pick !”
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Good information!
January 19th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
Rob you could not be more right. Of the two I take Mariota. I dont care if he is a project. He has more upside is a true professional and more athletic. I really don not want winston. I would however accept nick foles as part of a trade including two first rounders and have a training camp battle with him and glennon. Either way we still need the o line fixed now. We need our running game too.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
We have a wonderful opportunity here and so many fans seem to just be wishy washy pessimistic worriers. Do you guys really think Luke Joekal/Eric Fisher are turning their teams around? Fisher went #1 overall as a franchise LT and from what I’ve heard he isn’t even a great starter.
Do you guys think Detroit would attribute its success to Stafford or Suh?
All the scouts pretty much agree that these QBs are not only potential franchise QBs but potentially the best players overall in the draft.
Only a complete moron GM/team would not take its shot at a QB. Every player, regardless of position, is a crapshoot to some degree. Clowney was the supposed safe pick but I bet Houston wish they took Bridgewater or Carr. If you get this pick right you have a bright 10-15 years to look forward to as a franchise. You can’t say that about any other position.
ALso, getting this pick wrong; whether a QB or not; sets back the franchise. I don’t get the idea that not taking a QB is “safer”. Those guys can still bust.
Hmm … take Winston/Mariota – best case = winning team for 15 years. Worst case = they suck and we are where we are now 2 years from now.
Take leanord williams / whoever = best case – HOF defensive player and we are slightly better on defense but still need QB. 2 years from now still looking for franchise QB. WOrst case = he sucks and we are immediatley worse off and still need a QB
January 19th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
Can’t wait! Jamies is ready now!
January 19th, 2015 at 7:20 pm
Not sure why everyone thinks either QB would start day 1. I dont even see Jameis being rolled out to start day 1. Only Derek Carr started day 1 and that was due initially to Matt Schaub being hurt. I don’t think there is any way they put a rookie out there day 1 to ruin them, I think they sit and wait for the oline to gel and put the $10 million dollar man (Mccown, I know it hurts me to say it) out there to take more hits until the line gels and the rookie is comfortable. As crazy as it may sound I think Lovie still believes in Mccown , specifically as a bridge to a younger understudy. So to me if its Mariota or Winston they aren’t going in week 1.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
I paid close attention yesterday to count the number of “tight window” throws and was surprised to not even count 1. How could this be possible with all these so called nfl draft experts citing that tight window throws are critical in the nfl. Actually on the contrary I counted many throws to open receivers because as it turns out that is the objective of good teams…they do not count on a tight window offensive scheme.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
@ Rob
You forgot to list all of the 1st round busts that were over-drafted by teams out of desperation. And I beleive a couple of those were from FSU
January 19th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
@Patrick, did you see the TD that Rodgers threw against Dallas last week? That was a classic tight windows throw.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
“@ Rob
You forgot to list all of the 1st round busts that were over-drafted by teams out of desperation. And I beleive a couple of those were from FSU”
No, I didn’t. Because my point was that you have a better shot at a franchise QB in the first round than you do in rounds 2 through 7 (or undrafted like Romo).
First round QB’s CAN bust, but the percentage of success goes way up in the first round. Feel free to look yourself.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
“@Rob Says:
January 19th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
“Only 1 of the 4 QB’s this weekend was a first round pick !”
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Good information!”
Good information except for the part where it’s inaccurate.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:37 pm
I’m not a know it all, but I do know that future draft picks won’t help L & L right now. They have to get “wins” they will draft whoever they feel will help us win now. Our franchise was set back immensely by drafting Barron instead of Kuekly and Losing Sheldon Richardson for Revis for a season
January 19th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
It’s now 6:40 pm….do you know where your future francise quarterback is?
January 19th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
OK to all the QB is the greatest impact player here’s a scenario…you’re a GM you have a franchise QB and two potential elite DT’s in the draft, who do you pick? Now let’s look at it as you have Sam Bradford, Ndomaking Suh, and Gerald McCoy…which player has had the biggest positive impact on the team that drafted him? Hint…it ain’t the #1 franchise QB
January 19th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
All the Winston haters are hilarious! The football ignorance to want the Choir Boy really makes me laugh!! I said this a few days ago, and I’ll say it again. As a Bucs fan…you are down six with two mintues to play and you can pick which QB the other team has to make the last drive. Are you taking Winston or Mariotta? If you’d fear Mariotta less, it only further proves my point. After the private workouts and combine, Mariotta won’t even go number 2 (except in his pants!). Get off your high horses about how awful of a person Winston is, or burn your Sapp jerseys because you surely didn’t give a damn that he’s an a**hole as long as he could sack the QB!! You cannot trade down! You take the franchise QB that grades out the best when you suck so badly that you EARN the #1 pick.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
Dang. I do not like pointing to posters and making fun of them but really?
Somebody posted that he wouldn’t want Aaron Rodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because he was laughing on the sideline!!!!
Rodgers played hurt and beat the Seahawks. Pete Carroll is a mensch and beat Mike McCarthy. Give credit to Russel Wilson for rebounding and putting it all behind him, that was huge.
But we don’t want Mariota because he might be another Aaron Rodgers. How can you even respond to such a post?
January 19th, 2015 at 7:55 pm
ToesOnTheLine! Says:
January 19th, 2015 at 6:33 pm
Man I really hope the Bucs can fleece the Jets for their 2015, 2016, and 2017 #1 picks in exchange for the Bucs #1 this year. Let them draft Mariota or Winston and suck for the next couple of years while the Bucs sit pretty with those high picks. Might even be able to draft Hackenberg in a year or two with those picks?
That’s working out so great for the Rams isn’t it?
January 19th, 2015 at 7:58 pm
@ St. Pete
Ftikin’ Funny. That Rogers is horrible, lol
January 19th, 2015 at 7:58 pm
In my post, I meant “up by six”. Surely, more will focus on the typo than the content, but the point remains the same.
January 19th, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Howard loves the site, as is evidenced, but:
Man! Joe would have had us take JFF over Evans.
Game set match L&L.
Winstiota is better but still not anywhere near a Luck.
Lovie will take the monster DE because he’s BPA.
We’re in no position to be drafting for need.
We’ve seen how that works out.
Joe will be heartbroken agian (poor little gipper)
but he’ll carry on and make us proud.
January 19th, 2015 at 8:03 pm
Why give up on Glennon so quickly for these 2 bums?? No sane person can argue Glennon has had a good brining up in the NFL. His rookie year he is thrust into the lineup and performed admirably, now in his 2nd year (a very important year for QBs) he has the great Marcus Arroyo as his OC. We finally have a guy who can run a decent offense and we want to throw Glennon away like trash!!! I guarantee if we trade Glennon to say the Cards, Glennon under Arians will be way better then Mariota/Winston will ever be under Koetter and all we will do is wonder why we traded a very capable QB away for nothing and drafted a bum. PLEASE DON”T DRAFT ONE OF THOSE 2 LOVIE!!!!
January 19th, 2015 at 8:17 pm
I didn’t know Phil Savage can tell the future. If so, he should head of scouting. Aaron Rogers waited 3 years and how did that work out. Patriots, Packers, Seahawks and Eagles all run MANY plays out of the shotgun. To pretend this style of play isn’t NFL level is foolish!
January 19th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
If Lovie does not draft Winston you can bet you paycheck he will be on the couch in the basement full time next year and that might not be a bad thing for the franchise.
If Winston wins a playoff game all will be forgotten. Americans have the shortest attention span on the planet. We forget very easily. The 5 or 6 people carrying the hate winston cross on this site will be just as happy as the rest of us fans when HE wins.
The team of choir boys that lovie put together were soft and finished 2-14. They Blew leads in the 4th qtr. The bucs need some toughness and attitude. If it’s that important to you that your team is all perfect little angels good luck to you. Time to bring in some toughness and good football players and worry a little less if the guy is going to help the little old lady across the street and get the guy that is going to plant matt ryan in the dirt and NOT help him up.
Please stop with the Glennon crap. He had more than enough chances and failed. He has no heart. He proved it when he ran out of bounds like a little punk instead of getting the first down. For those of you who continue to spout off his numbers are NOT better than anyone’s. The only numbers that matter is Wins and Losses and he has double digit losses… Sorry folks he is a back up and not the right backup to mentor a young QB. Bucs just need to take the 7th round pick Glennon is worth and move on.
It’s not personal with Lovie and Glennon there is just better options and its time to raise the standards. It’s been 13 years since a meaningful win… 13 years I’ll say it again 13 years… Time to raise the standards do the right thing and draft a QB… Can’t win if you don’t play the game and the draft is a game in itself.
January 19th, 2015 at 8:26 pm
I find it curious that much of the same crowd that wanted to start tanking after we lost a few games….now, don’t have 6 months to invest in a future QB that could be at the helm for 15 years…..
Now, I’ve stated that I’d be OK with Winston…but it is not to buy 6 months…I don’t care how long our future francise QB has to sit…lets get him ready the right way…in the meantime…we have some other teambuilding to do.
January 19th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Even Derrick Brooks who is 110% loyal to FSU said 2 weeks ago that after tallking with Winston he could tell that he is not ready emotionally or mentally ready to be a starting QB in the NFL
January 19th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
Wow who knew that taking a snap from center was more difficult than hitting a hole in one in golf?
How could we possible expect one of the brightest, hard working players in the draft to master such a complex assignment.
Perhaps Marcus will not be able to count…let’s see is this a 3 step..5 step or 7 step drop?
Oh wait the guys who play from under center have to relay the play in the huddle. That’s gotta be real rocket science. OC calls in through the headphones in the helmet and the QB is tasked with telling the guys…double x wide blue suede out.
The excuses the Jameis lovers are coming up with are getting pretty thin.
January 19th, 2015 at 8:38 pm
@Tmax
If Lovie does not draft Winston you can bet you paycheck
Tell you what Tmax…not my paycheck…but you seem so absolutely certain I’d be more than happy to bet yours! 🙂
January 19th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
Tampa Bay Evangelicals. “We can’t win but at least we dont curse.”
January 19th, 2015 at 8:45 pm
Mr. Patrick — Brooks also went on to say NO one his age is ready. Let’s keep everything in context. Brooks has NOT official endorsed Winston but he has on numerous occasions defended some of the accusations against Winston publicly. So yes you are accurate in your post but there is more to it.
I believe that Brooks will endorse Winston publicly and it will come at or right after the combine. Brooks will make Winston earn that endorsement and convince him that the knucklehead stunts are behind him. I believe Winston will earn that endorsement. While I realize some on this site view Winston the next coming of Satan, he is far from that. Winston has had zero incidents in 4 months and will stay out of trouble until that draft that is 3/4 of a year. Winston does not deserve his livelihood jeopardized over FALSE accusations and over zealous media coverage. And don’t think for a minute the timing of all the Ray Rice fall out and other NFL abuse cases did not feed the sharks against Winston. The rest of the stuff is stupid and immature but does not raise to the level of hate that people spew here.
January 19th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
@tmax
We’ll see. He could do another stupid thing between now and the draft even though we know he is being highly babysat
January 19th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
Mr. Patrick Says:
January 19th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Even Derrick Brooks who is 110% loyal to FSU said 2 weeks ago that after tallking with Winston he could tell that he is not ready emotionally or mentally ready to be a starting QB in the NFL
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Can you please point me to the link where you read that or the audio? I heard him last week on the Steve Duemig show and when asked if he thought Winston was ready for the pros he said “no but nobody is”.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:09 pm
“OK to all the QB is the greatest impact player here’s a scenario…you’re a GM you have a franchise QB and two potential elite DT’s in the draft, who do you pick? Now let’s look at it as you have Sam Bradford, Ndomaking Suh, and Gerald McCoy…which player has had the biggest positive impact on the team that drafted him? Hint…it ain’t the #1 franchise QB”
^This is meaningless because you picked one year to look at that fits your preconceived point. In plenty of other seasons busts along the DL have been drafted before franchise QB’s went off the board.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Stafford has been the greatest impact for Detroit and Sam Bradford had huge impact before injuries. I love GMC but without a QB, he will be home every year with his feelings hurt because he doesn’t get voted Allpro. That’smy take on it.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
You have to try and get a franchise QB when opportunity presents itself…the reward is just too great.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
Charlie Campbell of Walterfootball.com says that a scouting director told him that Winston’s off field issues and antics “are very real and much more than advertised”
January 19th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
It is a delight to watch a young and gifted chess player. To him have come no sinister experiences; to him continual carping care is foreign. Therefore he loves the attack and the bold sacrifice; for theirin lies the shortest way to his ultimate objective. – Richard Reti
January 19th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
Most NFL games are decided by 10 points or less. How many games has Mariota played in that were decided by 10 points or less… The better question is how many has he won?
January 19th, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Glennon would have more wins had the defense not blown leads in the 4th quarter. Everyone here watched it happen . They also watched him take the same beatings McClown did and get up from them. He did not trust his line anymore than McClown did and for a damn good reason.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
“Most NFL games are decided by 10 points or less. How many games has Mariota played in that were decided by 10 points or less… The better question is how many has he won?”
It ALMOST sounds like your saying that Winston’s ability to beat unranked Boston College, unranked Miami, and unranked Florida by a meager 3, 4, and 5 points respectively is a positive. Great players step on the other team’s throat early and often. See: Tom Brady.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
@Patrick
Can you please post the search parameters that you used to Google and find where Charlie Campbell was quoted saying that? According to his website he says this:
1/10/15: If it weren’t for all the off-the-field concerns, Winston would be the hands-down first pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. He is a better pocket passer and is more accurate than Marcus Mariota. However, the possibility of Winston sabotaging his NFL career with off-the-field run-ins is a real concern. There is the possibility that Winston will decide to return to Florida State for his junior season.
Winson completed 65 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,907 yards with 25 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. He significantly exceeded last year’s interception total. Still, Winston went a sparkling 26-1 as a starting quarterback.
Winston is extraordinary in the pocket. He is a phenomenal pocket passer who can carve up a defense. Winston has very good field vision and does a superb job of scanning the field and working through his progressions. It is an innate ability that he displayed from the very beginning of his tenure as a starter. Winston hangs tough in the face of the pass rush, steps into throws when he’s going to get hit, and moves well in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Sources say that Winston has a good football I.Q. and will impress teams in pre-draft meetings.
Winston also has great anticipation and timing. For example, he has had pressure in his face, but he throws passes before receivers make their break and the ball hits them between the numbers as soon as they turn around. Those are phenomenal throws for any level of football. Winston also throws some brilliant passes into tight windows to beat good coverage. When plays break down Winston can make plays with his feet and if defenses leave it open he will hurt them on them on the ground.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
I’m not a huge fan of Big Dog Duemig, however today he made a very fact based and convincing case for Mariota. I suggest all of you FSU homers and “dedicated” Bucs fans go to his site and listen to it
January 19th, 2015 at 9:44 pm
If Bucs draft Mariota, I’d be ok with sitting him IF they upgrade his “mentor.” Ryan Fitzpatrick, while not great by any stretch, would be a massive upgrade over what they have now. Still, being a loooong suffering Buc fan, I’m still of the belief/fear that which ever one they pick, he will flame out in three years. Really, REALLY hope I’m wrong but…
January 19th, 2015 at 9:44 pm
@ChessMaster one of the best chess books in history is Nimzowitsch’s My System…I don’t want a system QB though.
January 19th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
Right Luther you want this guy.
Time to drool..https://theflpost.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/mariota-winston-bucs.jpg
January 19th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
@87
Nice pics. If the Bucs do make the franchise-numbing mistake of drafting Winston, please don’t let him wear #5 as we have already had enough of that, lol
January 19th, 2015 at 10:16 pm
I told you guy’s before that this team is built to be physical and to travel well especially in cold weather. This will not be a team built to play like a dome offense because that does not complement the defense. At the very least you get the Bucs defense to play like it did in 2014 and have the o-line play better to support a running game and take time off the clock. The opponents score decreases by a touchdown and the rookie qb would just need to take care of the ball and make the throws on third down.
The opposing defenses will stack the box and make the rookie beat them from the pocket but the rookie will have beast at the wide-outs and tight ends with sims out of the back field that will balance things out. Manning,Brady,Rodgers,etc. can’t throw for 45pts. on the side line. And be honest with 2 or 3 minutes left in a game who thinks that this Bucs defense would choke away a win like greenbay did yesterday?
January 19th, 2015 at 10:17 pm
Mariota could very well be a stud but on teams like the eagles,saints,cowboys,seahawks(maybe),and chiefs. Winston’s game translates well with every other team in the NFL. You don’t want Mariota because he’d be good somewhere else, you would want Mariota if he’d fit this Bucs team and he doesn’t. You would need to fire this coaching regime and hire a offensive minded coach that would exhaust all resource to make his scheme work. Otherwise you’d make Mariota a wasted draft pick and blame Lovie for him being a bust.
January 19th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
Newbucsfan…as far as I’m concerned the hiring of Koetter, means Winston.
Winston isn’t just who I WANT them to take. Winston is also who I THINK they will take.
January 19th, 2015 at 10:28 pm
@87
You know that with Lovie being a defense minded coach that he is salivating at the idea of putting Leonard Williams on the D-Line next to GMC
January 19th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
@87
The first thing that I thought of when I saw the hiring of Koetter was Winnin’ with Glennon
January 19th, 2015 at 10:33 pm
Mr. Patrick..I fully aware of that. Just tell me who you think they will take, not who you want them to take.
I think Lovie will be on a short leash on draft day. The team went 2-14 and I haven’t seen Ray Jay that empty since… hell we have to go back to the Old Sombrero days. I don’t think Ray Jay was ever that empty since it was built.
January 19th, 2015 at 10:47 pm
Every offense is a system…every QB runs said offense. Therefore, every QB is a system QB. This whole “He’s a system QB” argument is borderline asinine. Or are you seriously gonna tell me and the rest of the Buccaneer fans that if Joe Montana were available, you wouldn’t take him because he’s a “System QB”.
I swear you people make me want to gouge my eyes out sometimes, you are so (Insert Explitive) stupid.
January 19th, 2015 at 10:49 pm
Anyone calling for the Bucs to trade out of the #1 spot when they have 2 legit franchise QBs to choose from is brain dead. How often does this opportunity come along? Once every 28 years in our case…
The most common excuse for not wanting the Bucs to draft a QB seems to be – “neither of these QBs is a franchise QB”. That’s BS. Both Winston and Mariota are better and grade higher than any QB who has come out since 2012. There are, of course, no guarantees – but odds are pretty good that at least one of these guys is going to be a star QB in this league. And I would also say odds are decent that both will be at least good, solid NFL starters. The QBs on the Bucs roster currently are not even close to being “good solid NFL starters”.
The Bucs will take a QB#1. No ifs, ands or buts. I just hope they draft the best player which IMO is definitely Jameis Winston.
Winston is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck – and his grades overall are not that far off Luck’s either for those who are fond of saying – “Well – he’s certainly no Luck…”. Winston certainly did accomplish more in College in only 2 years than Luck did in 3.
What is the most important stat in football? Certainly not turnovers. Wilson threw 4 interceptions yesterday – but guess what – he found the magic in the 4th quarter and won the game propelling his team that was badly outplayed for 3 quarters to their 2nd consecutive Super Bowl. The winning touchdown pass that Wilson threw was absolutely perfect – and as a result – none of the 4 Ints or the 0.00% QB rating in the 1st half mattered. Wilson (with help from his Defense and offensive teammates) found a way to win a Championship game against some very tall odds. Winning is all that matters in the NFL. Its the only stat that matters.
Which College QB this year proved beyond all doubt that he can tap into that 4th quarter magic and will his team to win games despite adversity and difficult circumstances? You know the answer of course as well as everyone does. Jameis Winston is a winner and a Stud QB and IMO he will be a top 10 NFL QB in short order. I only hope the Bucs are smart enough to see this in him because this young man is the franchise QB that we have all been wishing for all these years. He is not going to Vinny or Dilfer or Freeman out on us. He is driven. He works extremely hard to be the best and to always improve his game.
Winston is legit – he is the best player in this draft and very worthy of the #1 overall pick. Some people may not like him now because of things they have heard about him – but as long as he keeps his nose relatively clean and is available to play on Sundays – you are gonna LOVE this young man once he starts leading the Buccaneers to WINS! That’s what Winston does. He WINS. and unlike Tebow – he’s got every single god given quality that NFL QB scouts covet. He truly CAN make every throw and with authority. And he’s got a better grasp of reading Defenses and making adjustments at the line RIGHT NOW than 80% of QBs who have already been in the league for 2-3 years.
The choice is clear and its actually a pretty easy decision once the Bucs convince them selves through the extensive vetting process that the actual “risks” regarding Winston’s “character concerns” are actually quite minimal. Many experts are now saying that Winston is definitely the better NFL QB prospect of the top 2 – but that Mariotta is likely the “safer” pick due to Jameis’ “off field stuff”. But I contend that Winston is in fact the safer pick – because the likelihood is high that he will actually be the star QB that you expect when you draft a QB #1 overall. Mariota has a lot of talent and athletic skill to be sure – but many question how well those skills will translate to the NFL. Few have those questions when they examine Winston’s game.
We sure as hell didn’t tank the last few games of 2014 and suffer through a 2 win season to then NOT take a Quarterback when we need one as badly or worse than any other team in the league.
January 19th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
@87
I know what you mean. Every time I’m there I think about the days when every game was a sell out and there was a huge waiting list for season tickets.
As to what I think the Bucs will do, I think it depends on if they are in last off season’s “win now” mode or if they know they have to rebuild lots of this roster. If it’s win now I think it’s Williams or trade down. If they know they have to take some time then it will be one of the young QB’s, probably Mariota because of all of the present and possible future PR problems with Winston.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
IStillbleedOrange Says:
January 19th, 2015 at 10:47 pm
“Every offense is a system…every QB runs said offense. Therefore, every QB is a system QB.”
Most of them are just repeating what NFL scouts are saying… I guess they are
also , so (Insert Explitive) stupid.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:01 pm
Mr. Patrick what PR problems?
More pics :
http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/bucs_jameis_getty.jpg
January 19th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
Tom Edrington Says:
January 19th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
“The Big Dog (Steve Duemig) spent about 20 minutes on his show today making a strong, factual and solid case for Mariota.”
“Quite interesting.”
Really? He also said the Bucs need to re-sign Freeman before his contract was up..
Quite interesting as far as that’s concerned.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
Our whole team is a project, I would rather have Mariota developing. You act like Shameis is going to turn us around throwing all those Int’s, its going to take at least 6 games for any type of line to start jelling, so the Mariota will be close to coming in.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
It’s qb. The glazers will not let lovie Draft defense first. They would fire him . They always have wanted exciting offensive games that’s why gruden was brought here.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
The idea that winston’s off-field behavior is akin to “knucklehead” decisions is ridiculous. We are talking about CHARACTER, the most important quality of a leader other than intelligence. There is not the slighest chance that Winston can be babysat into mental health. Nor is there any chance at all that the Glazer’s are going to sign off on such a risky proposition. None. If there had been only one incident, maybe, but this is a pattern. You just can ‘t trust that he can deal with the freedom of a nightlife as a millionare. Did we learn nothing from the Freeman debacle?
January 19th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
Sitting a half season would be great for every rookie QB. I am worried about the future of the organization. 2015 is not a make or break year. We don’t have the most loyal fans in the 1st place or games wouldn’t have been blacked out for years and blah blah blah. If things get to bad, the Glazers can just move to LA. I hope to God that never happens. But its a possibility.
Get Mariotta and our future is secure. Draft Winston and hope to God he doesn’t mess up again. Not worth the risk IMO. Mariotta is the total package. He just needs a little time to transition. 1/2 season to a season learning on the sidelines versus 10-15 years of a very successful career if you actually give him the time. I don’t see the issue here.
We could just throw him out there and possibly suffer the Derek Carr syndrome. Same could be said for JW as well. Its risky to just throw them out there. Even 5 or 6 games just to have some time to get used to the process of being a professional athlete and what it takes to run an offense and team.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:27 pm
I have one question and it is the same question you might have in the back of your mind for many years to come…..
It’s now 10:26 PM……do you know where your francise quarterback is?
January 19th, 2015 at 11:32 pm
Another prediction :
After the Bucs take Winston (not the saviour YET) there’s going to be quite a few people in here eating crow throughout the course of next season.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:37 pm
@87
PR is a huge thing come draft time. The Bucs have all of Winston’s failures to have to justify plus having him all over the community trying to convince everybody that he is likable and has changed. Then as soon as Winston signs his first pro deal, tjere are civil suits expected and all of the Rape allegations will be rehashed in court. Not to mention the civil suit that has been filed by the alleged victum against FSU that will rehash everything again, plus the supposed 2-second woman may testify and come public with her allegations also. So if you are the Bucs do you want to have to deal with all of this duting football season while trying to convince your fan base that the new face of your franchise is a great guy?
January 19th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Mr. Patrick…I think the civil case will be thrown out.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:48 pm
I don’t think it will be a PR nightmare at all.
Have you seen a Steelers game lately? The place is packed, and many of their fans wearing are Big Ben jersey’s.
Fans in Philly embraced Vick and he was convicted.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:50 pm
Okay well since these meds are screwing with my head and I can’t seem to type a coherent sentence, by leaving words out of just about every post I’ve made tonight.
I’m calling it a night.
January 19th, 2015 at 11:52 pm
@87
Do you share my concern that this debate will continue well beyond the decision on QB (and we will draft one of them)….and that some posters have dug themselves in so deep with their opinions that they won’t be able to accept the choice?
It’s one thing to feel strongly about a player that is traded or cut…..or contract not renewed….like Bennett, Reveis….or even Freeman….because they are gone….but to feel that way about a #1 overall pick that is coming in to stay a while is another matter….
January 19th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
@87
Have a great night Brother
January 20th, 2015 at 12:05 am
@ Mr. Patrick
Since 87 has gone nighty-night…..do you have an opinion on the question I posed to him?
January 20th, 2015 at 12:07 am
Patrick – there is no “second woman”. The accuser made that up to try and lend credibility to her story.
The facts in this case do not support the accuser’s allegation. Which is why Winston never was nor will be charged. The provable facts do however support Winston’s version of what happened.
The woman and her famous sex suit lawyer can file all the civil claims they want in an attempt to get paid. The facts in the case will not change and the results in civil court will be the exact same as they were when prosecutors examined them and found there was no way that Jameis could be charged.
Just because a woman is filing lawsuits trying to get paid off with the facts not supporting her accusation – does not mean you shy away from acquiring the best College football player who is the subject of these baseless suits.
Its only about $ at this point and will never effect Winston’s availability or ability to play football.
January 20th, 2015 at 12:17 am
What a load of B.S. He was not charged due to lack of evidence, Winston was NOT exonerated because actual facts proved his innocence. There are massive, serious questions about how the allegations were handled by the local police and the university. There’s lots of dirt yet to come.
January 20th, 2015 at 12:22 am
87… yeah a lot of Mariota fans will be eating crow when Winston is the Bucs pick. A lot of Winston fans will do the same if Mariota is the pick, and you 87 will get the overwhelmingly biggest serving.
January 20th, 2015 at 12:25 am
There is a diference between not guilty & innocent…..unfortunately, because of an incompetent investigation, we will probably never know….that’s not a good thing for Winston or the accuser.
The problem for me is the question-mark?
January 20th, 2015 at 12:26 am
He was not only not charged but they could not even prove who was telling the truth. Looks more like a money grab to me. He was asked to pay a large sum for hush money. That to me doesn’t sound like he was guilty, it sounds like he suddenly turned into a payday. There are also photos of them being intimate. The internet is a wonderful thing if you are willing to look for yourself.
January 20th, 2015 at 12:34 am
@TBBF
You are absolutely correct. Winston is a very polarizing figure. You either want him here as the Savior or you hope he never steps foot in Tampa. If Bucs draft him and he’s great, his supporters will be in heaven and his detractors will still be angry. If he stinks and is a bust then the supporters will still be happy and his detractors will be even more angry.
If Bucs don’t draft him his supporters will think the Bucs made their worst mistake ever and his detractoer will be very happy and releaved.
So the Bucs will find themselves in the unfortunate situation of not being able to make everybody happy and may lose some fans either way.
One thing that does confuse me though is how all of the FSU people want him no matter what and swear that he’s so good that he should be the only choice. I wonder if they would still want him as badly if he were a Gator?
January 20th, 2015 at 12:38 am
@ Pickgrin
When it comes to large sums of money, people come out of the woodwork. Ask Bill Cosby
January 20th, 2015 at 1:01 am
Well done Pickgrin, couldn’t agree more with your analysis portion. I’d even take it a step further and say he is as good as Luck talent wise. The only issue really is his rap sheet. I sure hope the bucs arent scared off by that because he truly has all the makings to be a great one.
Also, I dont hear anyone calling Big Ben a rapist anymore. Why? because he won a super bowl. The same should happen to Winston if we draft him and he starts winning, while at the same time keeping his nose clean.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:04 am
Also like someone else pointed out early, the choir boy Payton Manning was accused of sexual harassment back in the day. The reason why you dont hear any of that is because he wins.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:13 am
The alleged victim’s lawyer initially demanded $7 [million] to settle her client’s claims against FSU and Winston with the promise that “if we settle, you will never hear from my client or me again — in the press or anywhere.”
The “offer” went unacknowledged and 4 days later the accuser went to the media.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:17 am
Thank you joe.it’s nice to get the take on Mar iota from top nfl exec’s.Fyi, this may suprise you, but i am actually leaning towards Winston as are you.just like my news fair and balanced.great job.thank you.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:33 am
At first, I had some serious doubts as to whether the bucs would have the stones to draft Winston. Now not only do I think he should be the pick, but I think he will be the pick. Now we play the waiting game.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:35 am
Andrew 1 Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 1:01 am
“The only issue really is his rap sheet.”
Winston does not have a “rap sheet”. He has never once been arrested nor charged with any crime.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:38 am
@ Pickgrin
Recognized right after I posted that, it was a poor choice of words. Meant to say bad reputation.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:48 am
The alleged victim’s lawyers vehemently deny that there was any request for money, yet you guys are treating it like a fact that she’s trying to cash in. Stay classy FSU.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/lawyers-for-florida-state-jameis-winston-s-accuser-strongly-refute-extortion-claim-092414
January 20th, 2015 at 1:58 am
Andrew 1 Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 1:38 am
Meant to say bad reputation.
And that “bad reputation” stems mainly from the false rape accusation. If you take that out of the equation – which you must because the law and his school both concluded there was no evidence whatsoever that supported the accusation – then you are left with very little to back up the common misperception that Winston has major “character concerns”.
Here is what you are left with once the false accusation is taken away:
1. BB Gun war with his buddies
2. Video taping a 1 night stand
3. Drinking fountain soda from a ketchup cup without paying at Burger King
4. Walking out with $27 worth of Crab legs from Publix (which was well known for providing FSU athletes with the “hook up” – but there was a new manager on duty that night who didn’t know what the deal was. Winston took responsibility and kept his mouth shut so no one else would get in trouble for the situation). Winston was issued a ticket – he paid the fine and that was the end of it.
5. Shouting out in public on campus – the (popular with young people) internet meme FHRITP.
Whoa – quite the budding John Dillinger there – LOL. I guarantee you that 90+% of everybody who is saying not to draft Winston because of his behavior has done worse when they were younger.
January 20th, 2015 at 2:10 am
Ah yes, stealing, shooting people and animals with BB guns, and yelling sexualized obscenities while under investigation for sexual assault.
Exactly the kind of leadership we should expect as the face of an NFL franchise…
January 20th, 2015 at 2:23 am
Rob Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 2:10 am
“shooting people and animals with BB guns”
shooting animals?? – where the hell did that come from?
You trying to tell me you never had a BB gun war when you were a teenager Rob? We had quite a few in the woods behind my house.
If you are so squeeky clean that you’ve never done similar things or worse – then we’ll just have to get you that goody two shoes award you apparently deserve. Most people have done worse than any or all these incidents in their life.
January 20th, 2015 at 2:30 am
Those that don’t know, FSU does NOT run a pro-style offense. It’s a spread..it’s just more like a West Coast Offense with Brad Johnson as the QB…
Those that are SURE Mariota won’t ‘be ready’ for the NFL, don’t seem to realize, the trend in the NFL is to run more spread elements. We bought a spread WR and RB last season, our offensive line will be based on movement.
If you run an offense in college that is similar to the offense you’re going to run in the NFL, with an OC that used to be an OC for your college team…all means it may not take as much time to get Marcus Mariota up to speed in the NFL – definitely not as long as it would take Famous Shame-us to learn NOT to throw all those INT’s (and those INT’s came against ACC defenses – not NFC South defenses…).
Sorry, you’re not proving anything. You’re not even considering that not many NFL teams are even running ‘pro style’ anymore…that’s WHY you only sit a QB for 1/2 a season…
Think. The NFL has changed, because the college game has changed.
January 20th, 2015 at 2:43 am
White Tiger – It doesn’t matter how you label it – the simple fact is that Oregon runs an offense very unlike the offenses that NFL teams run (except for Philly under Chip Kelly).
FSU runs an offense that in many ways is quite similar to what most NFL teams do.
January 20th, 2015 at 2:50 am
Again, when the Pat’s won 14 straight, then lost the Superbowl, they were running the spread.
The Seahawks, 49er’s, and Panthers – all run the spread.
The majority of the top 5 QB’s over the past 5 years – are all spread QB’s (including Luck, who ran a variation of a WCO at Stanford with heavy spread elements – ironically JUST like the offense he runs for INDY.
Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick ran spread systems in college, had quick success in the NFL, and run spread attacks in the NFL.
We just hired a guy that can (and has) run a modified spread in college and the pro
Mariota’s really similar to Kap…but maybe more mature.
Mariota might just be MORE NFL READY than Famous Jameis – for the offense he will need to run, and the role he will be playing in the NFL…
Jameis ‘pro-style’ may actually hurt him.
January 20th, 2015 at 2:57 am
WT – just stop it. None of those teams you mentioned have an offensive system that looks anything like what Oregon runs on offense. No resemblance whatsoever.
January 20th, 2015 at 3:16 am
Slowly but surely any questions about Winston’s character will alleviated.
The false narrative had its moment in the sun for over a year but it is now fading in the sunset as the girls investors/lawyers have shown the world that their case isn’t about sexual assault at all but only about making money.
The last gasp is to sue FSU civilly to get money. It has failure written all over it. The civil suit promised in January of 2014 against Winston is not happening. That is why there also no suit against the TPD. The city of Tally and state of Florida eliminated that.
That is why there only is a JANE DOE suit against FSU. That is the only way the rape shield is in place. They want no part of removing that to face Winston in a civil trial. That was completely blown out of the water when a Supreme Court judge couldn’t even give a code of conduct violation showing the girl was intimidated or threatened.
Prediction: by draft time Mariota will slip down in the draft from number #2. Winston will be the overwhelming consensus number one pick.
The NFL and Bucs will be in full PR mode for Winston in the coming months.
January 20th, 2015 at 3:45 am
Lest we forget, guessing wrong at QB sets back a franchise at least 5 years..
January 20th, 2015 at 4:26 am
All these psychics crack me up lol
January 20th, 2015 at 6:13 am
8 games lost by 6 or less
TRENCHES, TRENCHES, TRENCHES!
O line and pass rush….and since theres not an O lineman out there worth #1 overall, then go pass rush with Williams or trade down!
January 20th, 2015 at 7:26 am
hey “Billl”…..it doesn’t get more lame than that. Come on man.
January 20th, 2015 at 8:10 am
Buccfan37 Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 12:22 am
“87… yeah a lot of Mariota fans will be eating crow when Winston is the Bucs pick. A lot of Winston fans will do the same if Mariota is the pick, and you 87 will get the overwhelmingly biggest serving.”
I’m not only talking about them eating crow, because the Bucs are going to take Winston. I’m talking about the ones that say more trouble is on the horizon and that he will be a PR nightmare as well.
I’m also talking about the fans that say Winston will be a bust.
Oh lots of crow will be served on draft day and throughout next season.
January 20th, 2015 at 8:20 am
Boys I can one thing, Joe had better get one hell of a backup server for draft day, because there will be so much smack ran on who’s our #1 pick on this site.
January 20th, 2015 at 9:03 am
LOL, now I think we could all agree on that!
January 20th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
@Pickgrin
“shooting animals?? – where the hell did that come from?”
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11287082/cop-once-drew-gun-squirrel-hunting-qb-winston
“Police say Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston and Florida State teammate Chris Casher were held at gunpoint by campus police nearly two years ago while hunting squirrels with a pellet gun.”
January 20th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
“You trying to tell me you never had a BB gun war when you were a teenager Rob? We had quite a few in the woods behind my house.
If you are so squeeky clean that you’ve never done similar things or worse – then we’ll just have to get you that goody two shoes award you apparently deserve. Most people have done worse than any or all these incidents in their life.”
I had BB guns as a kid, yes, I didn’t shoot animals with them – and I certainly didn’t shoot animals with them when I was simultaneously the face of FSU football.
January 20th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Here’s the other thing that I think you guys are missing in what I’m saying. I hope all this stuff is overblown, I really do. I hope he’s a good kid, doing kid things and it’s all minor, and that there was no rape or sexual assault, and that once he gets to the NFL he continues to mature into a great young man who has a successful career.
I just don’t have any way to know that all of that is the case and is what will happen – but I have no such concerns with Mariota.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
Winston to M. Evans, to ASJ, to V. Jackson, and to C. Sims. Sounds good to me. Run the ball with D. Martins and a little from the rest of the guys. Hopefully we pick up the Guard Lupati from SF. Also drafting a RT and another Guard. I know our OL picks last year were in the 5th round, but K. Edwards and K. Pamphile hopefully can step it up and show why we spent both 5th on those guys. Winston looked a lot better last year when he was throwing to K. Benjamin. Now he would have three 6’5″ receivers. Keep Glennon as a back up. If we can draft somewhere another MLB, DE, and Safety we can be in good shape. Find a few FA, but lets not go crazy. We all know its best to build thru the draft. Just get the right players.
January 20th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Pickgrin Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 2:23 am
Rob Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 2:10 am
“shooting people and animals with BB guns”
shooting animals?? – where the hell did that come from?
You trying to tell me you never had a BB gun war when you were a teenager Rob? We had quite a few in the woods behind my house.
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Did you cause $4,200 in damage?
January 20th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
Winston was not yet playing when the BB gun incident happened in 2012 so he was not the “face of FSU football” at that time.
I get the concern – but everything since the rape accusation came to light (a year after it happened) has been blown out of proportion by the media. People have this perception that Jameis is trouble with a capitol T – and I just really don’t believe that is the case at all. Most who actually know him say he is a good kid who works hard at school and football – and there’s no indication whatsoever that he’s into drugs or drinks all that much. He has absolutely made a few immature decisions over the last 2 years – and some of them came after he was already a star QB and the accusation against him was known. But they were all relatively minor incidences and should not diminish what he is capable of on a football field.
Rob – You may have concerns that Winston will not mature fast enough as a person and it will have a negative impact on his pro football career. But I feel that banking on Winston’s obvious and superior QB abilities and hoping/assuming that he won’t blow up in his personal life – is a much safer bet for the Buccaneers than hoping that Mariota’s athletic skills and talent will allow him to transition successfully to the pro game.
Mariota played all 3 years of College in a quirky, run first-oriented option offense that is quite different than the offensive schemes that most NFL teams use. There are a # of NFL “experts” expressing real concern that Mariota’s skill set that allowed him to have good success and put up big #s at Oregon – will not fit well into the NFL.
While not exactly a fair comparison because Mariota has much better arm strength and passing grades (and he’s a faster runner) – I will remind you that Tim Tebow was a great and “athletic” College QB who was highly successful in College and chosen in the 1st round of the NFL draft – but was out of the league 3 years later because his skill set did not work in the NFL. That may or may not not be the case with Mariota but very few experts have any concern whatsoever that Winston’s skillset won’t match what’s needed to succeed as a QB in the NFL. So why take a chance on Mariota being able to successfully transition when you know pretty much for sure that Winston will be a plug and play NFL QB?
January 20th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Pickgrin Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 2:23 am
You trying to tell me you never had a BB gun war when you were a teenager Rob? We had quite a few in the woods behind my house.
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Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 20th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Did you cause $4,200 in damage?
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No – not that I am aware of. But there were a # of young men involved in that incident Jameis took part in – and they all payed an equal share of what was due for the damages. So who knows which of them was irresponsible enough to fire BB shots which caused property damage. Might have been just 1 or 2 idiots and everyone else was being reasonably responsible playing their dangerous little game. But they were all involved and thus all equally responsible in any damages that occurred.
January 21st, 2015 at 1:31 am
Anyone that thinks JW issues are behind him and won’t be brought up again are ignorant. The time for those stories is usually during and right after the combine. I can’t wait til it all goes down. And as soon as he is out of FSU and in the NFL. The stories will truly begin. The guy is an idiot.
And yes I personally have done a ton of messed up things in my youth. The difference is I didn’t have the nation watching me. He knew everyone was watching and still did immature and childish things. That won’t change overnight. You are what you are.
Also I am a diehard FSU fan and I hate JW. He has tarnished FSU’s reputation for the way the University has handled or lack there of handling all of his issues. The fact he put the school through all of this ish. Shows he could care less about his school, teammates, or anyone not named Jameis Winston. You people should pray we don’t get this trash.
And Big Ben’s rape charge was like 10 years ago. That’s why you never hear about it. That and his Superbowls.