Koetter’s Connections To Marcus Mariota
January 8th, 2015
New Bucs offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter has indirect ties to Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota.
Joe knows there are all sorts of conspiracy theorists and dot-connectors out there, so consider this raw beef for the wolves. Feel free to dispute or condemn if you wish.
New Bucs offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter has ties, indirectly, to current Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota of Oregon. First, when Mariota was not quite fully potty-trained, Koetter was Oregon’s offensive coordinator. But there is more.
Koetter’s last college job was head coach of Arizona State. There, it gets interesting, notes good guy Peter Schrager of Fox Sports.
Tampa Bay Bucs fans– should note that Oregon HC Mark Helfrich coached under Dirk Koetter at Arizona State. Often says he was great teacher.
— P. Schrager (@PSchrags) January 9, 2015
And if you read this breakdown of Koetter’s offense on VikingsJournal.com, Koetter’s offense has some spread tendencies.
Joe is withholding comment. Please feel free to infer what you wish.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Spread tendencies?!?!?!?! In Atlanta? Seriously? LULzing
January 8th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Scoreboard Mariota. How about that Shameis supporters….
January 8th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Perhaps Joe(s) has indirect ties to Jameis Winston……
January 8th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Koetter still ran mostly pro sets wherever he was. I think that means he is looking for a more pro style pocket QB. Winston looks like the frontrunner right now.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Father Dungy…..that is all….
January 8th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Buc-O’s 82 Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Scoreboard Mariota. How about that Shameis supporters….
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Should we save your post show we can throw it in your face when the draft comes? I really think Koetter being the OC makes it far more likely it will be Winston.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Joe you sound sad in that article. He has some ties and similar tendencies, but it doesn’t mean anything one way or the other.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
A “spread” offense is NOT the same as the “spread option”
Just stop this nonsense
January 8th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Nope. None. Know of a couple of people that have met Winston. Nothing more.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:35 pm
I still hope its Mariota…IF they let him be who he is and try not to pigeonhole him into a pocket passer day one he will be fine.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:35 pm
Think Koetter has ever even called a read option play?
January 8th, 2015 at 8:38 pm
Nobody is going to run the read option in the NFL….well not for long
January 8th, 2015 at 8:38 pm
I heard Koetter has a indirect connection to Winston, he is your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:39 pm
Just a question Joe, if they draft Mariota and him coming from the PAC 12 will he miss 1/2 of the OTA’s like ASJ because he has to wait until his class graduates?
January 8th, 2015 at 8:39 pm
@Brandon
Bring it
January 8th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
Well…it’s better than Mariota. Bucs should be able to do decent next season with the defense firing on all cylinders. Only thing I don’t like about this hire is his running game always sucked. Let’s hope that changes…..doubt it. Oh well at least Mariota is coming to town!!!!!!!
January 8th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
This means nothing to me….
January 8th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
All Dungy said is that he wouldn’t draft Winston “as of right now” without talking to him and researching him.
Once the Bucs do that they will find out he is not as the NYT and ESPN has portrayed him and the witch hunt was much ado about nothing.
Hasn’t Dungy advocated teams take Michael Vick? He was actually convicted of stuff. Unlike Jameis. Seems a bit duplicitous.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
For the record, I’d just like to state that the Bucs didn’t have to hire Mariota’s HC’s former boss to draft Mariota. No connection is needed. No wooing.
And this whole “has ties to” storyline is sad. This is the National Football League. Not college, no boosters around.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:41 pm
Mariota is not as careless with the ball as Winston. In the NFL turnovers are a death sentence. I personally won’t feel excited about our options until Mariota officially declares. Otherwise…we are “stuck”.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:41 pm
I mean better than Arroyo…
January 8th, 2015 at 8:42 pm
I think this hire tells you little to nothing about who we are going to draft. You could go either way and make yourself believe whatever you want. Fact of the matter is, we probably don’t know yet. I’m sure there is a lead dog, but I’d be shocked if we know which we are drafting in January. No interviews, no pro days, and they probably haven’t even finished evaluating their college tape.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
….other than Joe being bored.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
I said that a couple of weeks ago about Koetter. However, his offense was more of a pistol offense for Ryan. Manziel would do well on that probably.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
@Brandon
Really think the Glazers would bring in Shameis the lightning rod for trouble? Really? Case in point Talib? Who exacatly do you think pushed that eject button? The Glazers, they don’t play that.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:45 pm
Buc-O’s 82 <~~~~is in for a big surprise.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
Spread option is a subset of the spread offense. Only subtle differences.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
Mariota and and more open offensive would be a light year change from what they have done for years and just think of Running backs running somewhere but up the middle and receivers going all over the place with a QB that can move and think at the same time.
Bring it on.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
So Oregon’s head coach works for Koetter for 9 years and the obvious connection Brandon makes is that this means the Bucs will draft Winston? um ok.
re: read option, lots of NFL teams run it regularly, hell even saw Andy Dalton and Andrew Luck ran a few read option plays last weekend. Seattle’s offense is read option based.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
I think the Glazers are going to MAKE Lovie take Jameis. That’s how confident I am.
My brother (FSU alumni and NE Patriots fan)said he would buy season tickets if they draft Jameis and adopt our team as his NFC team.
My brother is one of 1000’s of FSU fans that live in the bay area. Oh you can bet your sweet ass they are going to take Winston. The Glazers are not dumb they are business men. Winston sells tickets and merchandise. PERIOD!
January 8th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
Wonder if he will bring in Mike Tice in.. Tice is Fowlclowns current OL coach.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
It’s just so hard to say. Lovie likes athletic guys, and Mariota might outrun everyone on our team.
And Lovie hates turnovers. Only two picks for Marcus all year.
But man that Winston can throw the rock.
I’m happy as hell either way.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
In 2013 I saw Revis jerseys all over Ray Jay. The Glazers can expect to quadruple those numbers with Winston jersey’s.
FSU fans are waiting. Just do the right thing.
By the way I’m buying me a creamsicle Winston jersey and my wife the new one. My two kids can decide which ones they want creamsicle or this new crap.
What’s your flavor?
January 8th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
NO to Mike Tice. His o-lines are always garbage!
January 8th, 2015 at 8:58 pm
Some interesting information
http://jeffschultz.blog.ajc.com/2014/12/31/oregons-helfrich-credits-falcons-koetter-for-some-of-his-success/#
Oregon’s Head Coach Mark Helfrich started his career as a grad assistant at Oregon in 1997, when Koetter was the Ducks’ offensive coordinator. When Koetter got the Boise State head coaching job in 1998, he took Helfrich with him as his quarterbacks coach. When Koetter moved on to Arizona State in 2001, Helfrich went with him again. The two were together for nine straight seasons.
When asked about the two biggest coaching influences in his career, Helfrich mentioned Chip Kelly, then Dirk Koetter.
Mariota is coming to Tampa……
January 8th, 2015 at 8:58 pm
If anything this signals Williams or Gregory or trade down with Glennon at QB.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
When the national championship game ends I bet Koetter will offer Scott Frost the position of QB coach. They have the connection.
If that happens you can bet your sweet @ss Mariota will be our new QB.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
BucDaddy and SAMCRO…does Koetter run the spread option?
January 8th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
#TEAMWINSTON #F*ckTheDuck
January 8th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
I could deal with either being brought in, as long as they don’t tank. I would rather have a QB who controls the the game and turnovers Mariota 2 picks in the 2015 season and Shameis 17 picks in the 2015 season. How many times has all of us heard that the Tampa two is predicated on ball control? Can’t work if we keep turning the ball over. Granted, McClown is crap, but he only threw 14 picks and people are running that SOB out of town, but you would settle for Shameis who threw more picks than McClown? And Shameis threw those picks against UNRANKED teams. There are no unranked teams in the NFL as we all know, so his pick ratio will go nowhere but up.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Phuck dungy
January 8th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Yea if they took Frost that would mean that.
I’d like to see me some of that Oregon offense, even though I’m still depressed the way they dismantled my Noles.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:06 pm
87
Anecdotal evidence simply doesn’t hold up with all due respect to your brother and the 1,000’s of FSU fans who live in our area. Where have they been at Buc games.
My BIL has stated unequivocally he’d never go to a Buc game if they pick Famous and you perhaps read NYCBucs’ post earlier about giving up flying down for games.
This cuts both ways!!! It’s just illustrative of how divisive Winston is here in Florida at least where the news of his hijinks have been headline fodder.
IF Jameis was the next John Elway I could see risking the circus that will come to town if we pick Famous. The distraction would be huge!
Short of John Elway…Andrew Luck is nowhere near there YET…I simply don’t see the aggravation. Jameis is great. But whether you wish to admit it or not, in two short years Jameis has created a firestorm of bad pub and distraction for FSU. Whether he’s innocent, or the greatest kid on earth is actually, and for you I’m sure sadly irrelevant. Perception is reality. And the perception of Jameis is controversial.
One additional thought. In all of these debates there have been few people prejudge Jameis guilt or innocence in the rape charges…I am not one of those people. However I do notice that while some of the Mariota supporters have called Jameis names I do not notice them calling Jameis supporters names.
OTOH people who have dared to question Jameis BEHAVIOR have been called names and even prayed for….hey the prayers are appreciated and sticks and stones and all of that…just sayin’.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
@87ForJameisNoMariota
…does Koetter run the spread option?
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I’m sure he can, and with Scott Frost’s input there will be probably some designed plays they will incorporate. Will they play the spread all the time? No …and neither does Chip Kelly for that matter.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
Numbers schmumbers……Oregon keeps teams off balance with that crazy up tempo offense. That has A LOT to do with his great numbers.
Take away that crazy up tempo, spread option offense and let’s see his numbers then. Well I guess we will see soon enough.
I think Mariota is the product of a great offense that fits well in college. Therefore imo he will be the bust out of the 2.
I bet the Glazers have dreams about all the money they will count when they draft Jameis.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
I’m sure the Glazers would like that Nole money but the also love Duck Football. However I would hope the Glazers let the GM and coaches make the QB selection.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:13 pm
Why does someone have to be a current assistant coach at Oregon to run Oregon’s offense in the NFL?
Why can’t anyone just mimic what they are doing?
Jameis is coming to Tampa.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:14 pm
I don’t think we will know who will be our QB until we are on the clock….
We aren’t really any closer to that decision……I presume that Koetter could live with eather QB….I’m not sure the Glazers or Lovie could.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:16 pm
Eric
Cheer up. I’m no Nole fan nor a Gator and so I root for both or your teams as I now consider myself a Floridian. When you play each other I root for the team with the most on the line. This year that was the Noles…if the Gators had been undefeated and gunning for a title I would have rooted for them. Yeah when it comes to the Florida teams I’m an unabashed front runner. LOL
I say this to let you know I’m not biased in your favor. But I honestly believe you might be better next year than this, perhaps not quite to your national championship level but maybe. Jimbo has assembled a mind blowing recruiting class. For all the damage Jameis did to his own reputation the AA athletes around the nation now love Jimbo because of his unswerving support of his QB.
Jimbo may be the best recruiter in the nation..Saban and Meyer with him. This Jameis affair will just make him that much better. You guys had five 5star recruits already committed. The Noles may be signing a class for the ages.
Cheer up Eric! It’s a great time to be a Nole no matter what happens to Jameis.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:16 pm
All of you Nole fans that say Winston will put butts in the seats….generally speaking, if you’re not an FSU fan you HATE Jameis and pull for the guy that ultimately knocked him from his throne. I know just as many people that say they will no longer support the Bucs if they draft a guy like Winston (the eye of public opinion is cruel) than FSU fans that will tune in.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Stan…if the Glazers let Lovie make the pick…he takes a DE.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
87
“Oregon keeps teams off balance with that crazy up tempo offense.”
And what is the current trend in the NFL. To play faster…faster..faster and get to that crazy up tempo offense.
Run-run-pass-punt and let your defense do the scoring and win the games is just part of NFL history and not the way today’s great teams are playing.
I think Lovie has said he admires Seattle. That will be our formula. Koetter would use Mariota’s brains and speed and incorporate them into an NFL offense. He won’t be running all the time, but he might run as much as Russell Wilson and maybe not. But make no mistake…Seattle is great because their defense is great and their offense can score. I’d love to see that in Tampa.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:24 pm
Lollolololololol
Talk about a dream team. Our hc, dc and OC have all been fired for not winning enough games. I like the enthusiasm though hopefully it will rub off on me after we win 5 games next year. 150% increase in production is nothing to sneeze at. I mean why pluck guys off of GB, ne or denvers staff when you can get coaches from the Falcons. Mike tice come on down, just don’t break your hip when you do so.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:24 pm
No way Lovie will draft Mariota. In order to run that spread up tempo offense you and be successful you have to train and practice completely different. Lovie is to set in his ways besides that offense puts his defense at risk because they score too fast. #JameisToTheBucs
January 8th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
15 years ago a state star would put butts in the seats…times have changed…maybe a few….but most will stay home and watch on their flat screens….this is happening all over the NFL….
January 8th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
This hire, definitively tells us that the Bucs are likely to draft Mariota… or Winston… or trade. But almost definitely one of those.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
This signing doesn’t prove anything. Its January. But its a good start. There were way worse options out there to be our OC. Hiring Koetter and his passing style offense shows that Lovie is opening up the offense more. If they hire Scott Frost next week as our QB coach then you know they are after Mariotta. If not then who knows. I’m ok with this hire.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
Oregon keeps teams off balance with that crazy up tempo offense. That has A LOT to do with his great numbers.
Take away that crazy up tempo, spread option offense and let’s see his numbers then. Well I guess we will see soon enough.
I’m sorry that in an oxymoron. Isn’t that the whole f’n point is to keep defenses off balance and score points. What just because grandpa says your gonna ruin the game if you become innovative means that the only offense we should ever run is the “PRO STYLE OFFENSE” ..that’s … you said it …malarkey.
Let me ask this, As a true Buc fan would it not be neat to keep our opponents guessing? Score some fast paced points instead of the same tired 3yds and a pile of dust offenses? Who’s says we can’t incorporate some of the spread scheme into our offense, and be successful? The same people who are afraid of a little change?
January 8th, 2015 at 9:28 pm
We all saw Jameis throw 3 picks in a row to the Gators (4 overall)…the picks we all Jameis fault….he had a “Deer in Headlights” look as he came off the field. NFL defenses will pick twice as many…lets see 18 + 18 = 36 for Winston his first year. Marcus takes care of the ball…Lovie’s Defense hopefully will work nicely with Marotia.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:28 pm
StPeteBucsFan …I did say crazy spread option up tempo offense. Not just up tempo.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:32 pm
LOL Marcus takes care of the ball. That’s because college defenses never have time to adjust…Marcus is the product of Oregon’s O. My Gawd you Mariota lovers are in for a rude awakening when we not only don’t draft him, but when he sucks wherever he goes outside of Philly.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:32 pm
I see it’s going to take a day or two for the Winston Chain Gang to accept reality. Obviously, the Bucs went for the OC who would be best for Mariota.
Winston is nowhere near fast. Mariota is.
This is the sort of thing I wanted last year, but Tedford was hired instead. Glad it worked out this way, because Mariota is going to be great.
I have zero doubt who our quarterback will be now.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:32 pm
It will be great when all this nonsense quiets down. I for one never thought that the offensive coordinator hire and QB pick were so closely linked together. They will pick who they pick and Koetter has enough experience to build an offense around the skills of the player they draft. It just happens that Winston is more pro-ready out of the box, but nobody is saying that Mariota can’t play in a pro style offense… And Lovie has often talked about wanting movement from the QB spot, so it could be they want Koetter to build an offense to fit that. People will make arguments either way, but it’s all empty speculation until draft day… And it’s still possible they find someone to trade out of the #1 pick. All options still on the table. The end.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:32 pm
If the Bucs plan on committing to a spread option offense then Mariotta makes the most sense. I don’t think I’ve seen a college QB run it better. I’m concerned the system is not NFL viable. Yes, I realize many teams run option plays on occasion….but very few run them regularly, and those that do find their QB’s hurt fairly soon. This is partly because the defenses are stronger and faster, also that the QB’s get/are older.
I’d love to see Winston in Tampa, but if the Bucs want to make the bold move of running a Duck-like offense…I’ll be curious.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
Mariota is coming to town, guys. Embrace him. He is a superstar athlete with tremendous character and intelligence. He is EXACTLY what our franchise needs. And he can throw the pocket just fine and I’m sure he will continue to get better. We are instant contenders if we can make a few other roster upgrades….
From NFL.com’s Gil Brandt:
Marcus Mariota is a smaller version of Cam Newton, with more accuracy as a passer than Newton at the same age (although Newton is much improved now). When you see what Mariota did against Washington and Washington State, two pretty good defensive teams; vs. Tennessee, a fast defensive team; and UCLA, a great defensive team, you have to be impressed. Many people might say, “Well, yeah, but what about his game against Stanford?” I think he did pretty well in the second half after making adjustments. He’s a player I’d pick to build my NFL franchise around.
With how well Newton has been doing in recent weeks, this is great praise.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:37 pm
“Really think the Glazers would bring in Shameis the lightning rod for trouble? Really? Case in point Talib? Who exacatly do you think pushed that eject button? The Glazers, they don’t play that.”
Lovie didn’t play that either. Remember Mike Williams?
I think the Winston talk is wishful thinking, but I won’t feel good about it until the draft – the Bucs usually find a way to screw these things up.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Joe, please switch to daily Mariota updates. No way its Winston with this choice. Feel free to save this and call me out after the draft. I’m not wrong! This hire is about Mariota. We would have hired Tressman if Lovie wanted Winston. I’m not saying he is the correct pick, I’m saying Mariota is THE pick!
January 8th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
Koetter ran with a drop back passer in Atlanta. I can’t see how this means a slam dunk for Mariota because Koetter coached at Oregon when Mariota was in diapers.
Reaching much.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:41 pm
@Bonzai
“I have zero doubt who our quarterback will be now.”
I wish I had your confidence. Yes the signs point to Mariota and not Jameis.
But I’m not so sure Koetter didn’t tell Lovie he could come up with a different plan at QB.
Like you I would love to see Mariota here and I used to be an MM or Jameis guy just get us a QB, but now that we have Koetter I won’t be as upset as Joe and others if we trade that #1 for a lot of choices.
My personal choice is to go with Mariota and package trades/draft picks for a franchise LT. Move Demar back to the right side and if we had a Peat or a Stanley on the other side we’d be set at tackle and QB for a long time.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:41 pm
Buc Bonzia- well said!
January 8th, 2015 at 9:44 pm
After the combine. Winston goes #1 overall, whether it’s the Bucs or someone that traded for our pick. It’s a long ways off, and I’ll prolly type it a 100 more times until the combine.
Winston is going to blow Mariota’s doors off at the combine.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:45 pm
87, Jamies was always a reach based on character. Koetter ties to Oregon now make this a Mariota lock, though it will take until May for Joe to acknowledge it.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:46 pm
Solid pickup!
January 8th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
87, keep dreaming!!
January 8th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Bring on that up tempo stuff, everybody is scared of that 2 minute drill comeback from behind stuff, when your team is behind and some good offence team start in with the 2 minute drill driving down the field everybody in my house is on the edge of there seats.. I love watching that fast paced up tempo offence, the defences always have that O sh!t look on there face’s.. Fun stuff to watch..
January 8th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
“it can create a complicated looking playbook with plays that seem unreasonable, but the only person it’s difficult for is the quarterback” – and whom would that be for us? Mariotta? Winston? McCown? Someone else please?
January 8th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
87
I think you must have missed the last thread. Koetter got his first head coaching job at Boise State and he took Mark Helfrich with him as his QB coach and eventually OC. He took Helfrich with him to Arizona. Helfrich constantly credits Koetter as one of his mentors. Their relationship goes back a long way that has nothing to do with when Koetter coached at Oregon.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Oh I’m not depressed about my noles. Any year we beat the gators is by definition a great season.
The more I read up on our OC the more I like him. Three top ten offenses. Five top fifteen offenses.
Give Lovie a top ten offense and we will win a ton of games.
Well probably win round about 7 games next year, then the big jump in year three like Lovie did in Chicago.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
“Fun stuff to watch..”
AMEN SOGGY!!! I’m so over run-run-pass-punt and cheer for your defense to score on a pick six or safety.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
All you people saying this is a lock we draft Mariota stop and take a look at every offense he has run and look at the qbs. You have David Garrard and Matt Ryan. Does that look more like Jameis or Marcus?
January 8th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
87ForJameisNoMariota,
Why do you feel you have to trash Mariota to justify you wanting us to pick Winston? Believe it or not, there’s no rule that says they both can’t be good. If that wasn’t possible, there wouldn’t be a split amongst fans and experts everywhere. You haven’t seen more than one Oregon game in your entire life, so I really don’t think you know what the hell you are talking about as far as evaluating their offense. You probably are one of the people that don’t think he goes through progressions, arent’ you? I’m totally going to be excited with Winston or Mariota, but you are setting yourself up for a hissy fit if we draft Mariota. I think it’s also hilarious to say he’s going to blow him away at the combine when neither will probably do anything but get measured. As long as you’ve been crying for Winston, the last word you should ever use when referring to him is “blow”. Just sayin’
January 8th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
ndog …exactly that’s what I keep telling them too.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:03 pm
It’s like some of you are completely unaware of what is around you. Today alone Trent Dilfer, Shaun King and Brian Kelly all said they would draft Jameis #1 overall. In case you didn’t know two of those guys played in the NFL and know what a quality qb looks like. But I guess you watching Mariotta for a game or two means more than two guys who played opinions. This comparison is not really close accept for you #s folks who have no idea what these numbers mean. Go back and look at the college numbers of Ty Detmer or Andre Ware and according to you guys those two should have easily been hofs.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
Honestly, I hate who Winston is as a person but I feel he is the QB more NFL ready. I love who Mariota is as a person and he has skills but he is going to go through some harsh growing pains as a rookie. So at this point, I don’t care who we draft. I just want Lovie and Kotter to build around their strengths and for the Bucs to finally start winning. Am I the only one who feels this way?
January 8th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
In six of his eight total seasons as an NFL coordinator, Koetter has seen his offense rank among the league’s top 13 in fewest turnovers committed, including three top-10 finishes. Those are numbers that are likely to make Head Coach Lovie Smith smile…
Koetter’s offense produced 284.6 passing yards, 378.2 total yards and 23.8 points per game. Ryan threw for 4,694 yards, 28 touchdowns and a 93.9 passer rating. In 2012, Ryan had his best season as a pro, with career highs in yards (4,719 yards, touchdown passes (32), completion percentage (68.6%) and passer rating (99.1).
– Buccaneers.com
Which QB has the lowest interceptions in the draft?
As Jeff Dunham’s Akmed puppet says, “Think about iiiíiitttttt…”
January 8th, 2015 at 10:07 pm
ndog…Mike & Mike, Lee Corso and Herbstreit all said Winston’s going number 1 overall as well.
Hawaiian Buc…I’m not trashing Mariota. It’s my opinion. I think he’s the product of Oregon’s O and will be an NFL bust.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:07 pm
@Eric
Yep the Noles best the Gators but that is not such a feather in the head dress as in the past. To everyone else…we have an OC and the first pick in the draft plus top picks in the other rounds where we did not get picks through previous trades. This is a good day. I am not going to speculate on who we ate going to draft or target in free agency but I do think the Bucs should start trending back to the contenders they used to be in the past. Or
January 8th, 2015 at 10:10 pm
@Hawaiian Buc
Lol, that last bit was smooth, man 😉
January 8th, 2015 at 10:12 pm
Oh well I know you guys want to debate this more tonight, but I’m still not well yet. I have to lay down for a long while. I have a very bad internal infection, I’ve been trying to fight off for a week now. So I can’t stay on here all night. Talk to you all tomorrow.
And no my infection is not Jameis Winston before anyone throws that out there.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:16 pm
87, we all know your record with spotting good QBs 😉
Ndog, it doesn’t really matter which quarterback you think is best or want. What matters is which one the Bucs want. And that is obviously Mariota.
So you may as well get use to the idea. Prepare yourself. Because we’ve enough whining from Realist, 87 and DB55. We don’t need you adding to it.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:17 pm
@87,
Perhaps you are just a bit biased? If Mariota played for FSU, I 100% guarantee you would be on the exact opposite side of the fence.
No one will say Mariota isn’t as talented as Kaepernick out of college. Trust me, living in Hawaii I saw a lot of Kaepernick in college. Nothing that impressive. Very inconsistent. Even though Kap had a bit of a down year last year, but his down year would be a HUGE upgrade to anything we’ve had in a long time. So at worst case scenario, we have a Kaepernick-type player. However, I see just as much Russell Wilson as I do Kaepernick in Mariota, just with better size. Then again, you’re probably one of those geniuses that thinks Wilson is a game manager. Anyone thinks that shouldn’t be allowed to comment on football.
Again, I honestly believe both will end up being pro bowl QB’s. I’m going to be thrilled either way, and so will you. You just have to get your panties out of that wad to get there.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
87 = the mrsa source at one buc?!
January 8th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
Hawaiian Buc
Agree with Bonzai that was smooth. I feel a bit sorry for 87 as he is posting from his heart not his head. But I do admire his passion. I hope he’s a Nole fan. Because as a Jameis fan he’s set up for disappointment in the draft as a Nole fan he’ll get a real stiffie when he sees what Jimbo has managed to draft for next year.
Jameis guys…we get that you can post lots of names that love Jameis. Why do you not get that we can post an equal number who support Mariota.
People like UCLA coach Jim Mora who has faced Mariota twice with an excellent Bruin defense and a guy with years of NFL experience raves about Marcus as a stronger version of Aaron Rodgers.
The Walter Football compendium of more than 100 mock drafts had MM picked six times more frequently than Jameis as number one.
Bottom line. There is NO CLEAR WINNER in this debate so stop acting as if there is. We’ll find out on draft day who gets picked and then several years from now we’ll see who was right.
I’m hoping for a Bucs-Titans Superbowl in three years that features Mariota against Jameis in a rematch of the Rose Bowl. And of course I’m hoping for a similar result.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
@Hawaiian Buc
I bet Mariota will make the pro bowl next year. Not that the thing matters anymore. He could have a Cam Newton type of rookie season.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Hey 87 if you’re still around or check back tomorrow I hope you get better man.
There is a lot of nasty flu going around. We’ve had illness at our office. Nothing sucks more than being sick. Hope you get well soon.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
@StPeteBucsFan
I like the way you think.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
Every major sports person says it’s winston by far if not for the off field issues. I think he knows one screw up and he’s done. No doubt. I’d put it in his contract too about conduct and forfeit of pay if he does anything to hurt the team or anything close to what happened before
January 8th, 2015 at 10:33 pm
This is the toughest judgement call in a long,long time. The Duck is squeaky clean, is fast as heck, field general, smart, but his longer throws are just not that accurate – he tries to place the ball instead of throwing with conviction like he throws the bubble screen or quick slant –
the Nole is one step from life in prison after a Friday night party session, but throws the ball into NFL tight windows with precision, leads comeback after comeback and goes 29-1 as a starter at a top tier school, wins a nat champ
Glad I am a fan this time, would hate to have to make this call.
Could they both be really great NFL players?
January 8th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
You guys are suckers. Joe wrote this just to bait everyone and get the Mariota lovers into a frenzy. Did the Falcons run a spread offense? Look at the numbers when he was in Jax. MJD ran the ball more than any other back in the league. As soon as I saw the article I knew what he was doing. C’mon Joe you’re better than that. Provide real insight, don’t just try to get a reaction.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:46 pm
@UFC
“Every major sports person says it’s winston by far” That’s simply false.
Either you’re guilty of simple hyperbole perhaps trying for effect, but posting falsehoods simply destroys your credibility.
AGAIN…both players have plenty of support. Mock drafts have Mariota as the #1 pick six times more frequently than Jameis and there are plenty of “experts” both with actual NFL experience as well as the talking heads who are divided on this.
@CLW JB
“Glad I am a fan this time, would hate to have to make this call.
Could they both be really great NFL players?”
It’s bedtime for me and I’m glad to leave on an objective post with some actual critical thinking. Nice job. BTW my answer to your last question is a resounding YES. Remember I’m hoping for a Bucs=Titans Superbowl in 3 years with Mariota against Winston.
I don’t know if they’ll be great. But I believe both can at least make it in the league.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:53 pm
Running game depends on Oline to hold blocks longer…good luck.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
So you are saying Koetter’s connection to Helfrich is a lie?
January 8th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
It doesn’t matter who the OC is. This has always been a pick of Mariota for Saint Lovie. People debating over this are insane. Lovie doesn’t even allow his players to curse on the field. You really think he’s going to employ Winston? He chose McLown over Glennon because of his mobility. Whose more mobile Mariota or Winston? This pick has never been about Winston. I’d rather have Winston but I haven’t been disillusioned one bit that Lovie is taking Mariota. Another 5 years down the drain and it appears us Bucs’ fans are reliving the 80s and early 90s for the foreseeable future.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:35 pm
HAH!
It’s hilarious watching the hoops the FSU/Famous Jameis crowd are going through explaining how hiring a former OC for Oregon means the Bucs are NOT going to take the QB that knows how to run “one” of the offenses he’s coached…
Sorry guys, you never had a chance…Jameis made sure of that all by his lonesome…
We should probably start the debate about whether Koetter will deploy a spread-option..or mix it with some pro-style?
…or will he utilize Mike Glennon in a Matt Ryan type role?
That’s much more interesting than this endless banter about a kid who let his ‘appetites’ and lack of discipline
January 8th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
even if Marcus isn’t fabulous with the deep ball the defense will have to look out for his scrambling and running ability.
Steve Young didn’t have a cannon either. Similar players IMO. We let Steve go maybe we should get this guy.
Might as well flip a coin. That’s better than choosing between Glennon and McCown.
So glad we tanked that last game.
January 9th, 2015 at 12:32 am
I know this won’t be popular, but if Chip Kelly is still having wet dreams about Mariotta, I say trade the one to the Eagles, pick up their starting QB and two No. 1’s and 2’s.
Now you have a chance to add 5 starters to the team, one of which led his team to the playoffs in 2013.
January 9th, 2015 at 12:37 am
JUST listen to these pinheads on her today WOW! take my credit card # if they take Winnie Winston really? he sucks! and we all will see no matter what team drafts him BOOK IT!
January 9th, 2015 at 3:07 am
Real excited with this hire and Joe’s info above. Between this hire and Dungy making high consideration for the Hall of Fame after pushing publicly for the Bucs to take Mariota with our first pick, I think this bodes very well for Mariota being our first pick this year, which to me is the key to establishing a Buc’s Dynasty with their first Franchise QB. However our new hire will need to bring in a successful OL Coach and dump Warhop and his Brownee Flunkees in order to protect Mariota and get our running game humming. Look now for Mariota to declare for the NFL right after he wins the National Championship next Monday. Look at it as he will see it. Great chance now to be the first pick of the NFL Draft and all the wealth that brings and he can play with an Ex Duck HC as his new OC. We have great skill players to surround him here, and we have picks after him to bring three good OL Players to protect him in a new offense and his OC will know how to add the spread plays to ease his development. Lovie is a player’s coach and a Defensive Ghuru who will build a top defense here so he is not so pressured to produce huge numbers to win Superbowls here and build his achievements in the NFL like he has achieved in College this year. Florida has great weather and no state income tax. And oh yes great potential to go from Worst to First with him as the face of this Franchise for the next decade. Life can be real good for him and the Bucs here and the Glazers know with Mariota they will sell out their stadium next year.
January 9th, 2015 at 4:30 am
@Eric – great point. Also, anyone who didn’t follow @joe’s link to the breakdown of Koetter’s “4 Verticals” concept (at vikingjournal.com) probably shouldn’t scoff at the spread tendencies that OBVIOUS in Koetter’s offense. Which is: NOT to sling the ball to one of 4 deep routes – but rather to leverage the safety into making the wrong decision EVERY time you pass.
@owlykat – great stuff – especially the reference to the offensive line coach. Warhop comes pretty highly recommended in his own right, just wonder if he didn’t suffer from the same fate as the rest of the Frankenstein’d offense Arroyo had to run? Just as a means of filling in a connection/update of my own – according to a previous article on foxsports.com: Dirk Koetter has already been OC to George Warhop’s o-line coach! They both coached together under Dan Henning back at Boston College in the mid 90’s..along with names like Matt Hasslebeck/QB, Pete Mitchell/TE, Greg Landry/G, Pete Kendall/T, Doug Brzezinski/G, and Mike Cloud/RB…
Interesting…
January 9th, 2015 at 4:33 am
Wow how I love the people who post here. Why are you all not General Managers? Or coaches? THAT REALLY GOES AT YOU @DB55. You are the disgrace of all Buc fans, personally I don’t think you are a Buc fan. The hate you have for the team is amazing. Ever heard of rebuilding? Guess not. @Joe please ban @DB55, if need be, I will start a petition on it.
Signed,
Real Buc Fans
January 9th, 2015 at 5:12 am
@joe By the way – even though we disagree on the Marcus vs Jameis debate – great article and very interesting link, thanks!
Also, were you aware that George Warhop was OC, Dirk Koetter’s offensive line coach at Boston College under Dan Henning…?
Curiouser and curiouser…
Any who don’t think Koetter ran spread concepts with Matty Ice, probably has to be told what offensive style he’s watching, while he’s watching it. Similar to the way Gruden adapted his WCO to utilize the strengths of mobile Rich Gannon to come one game shy of a Superbowl with the raiders one year, only to win a Superbowl the next year with the polar opposite – non-mobile Brad Johnson…Koetter can taylor an offense to the strengths of his talent.
…but because it’s my post I’ll conned it by saying – Maeiota is the smart choice.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:28 am
good hire, i guess
January 9th, 2015 at 8:32 am
@ White Tiger – “…or will he utilize Mike Glennon in a Matt Ryan type role?”
Didn’t Greg Cosell compare Glennon to Matt Ryan? Lovie has said Glennon is the QB of the future. Could this signal moving forward with Glennon and either trading down or drafting a different position?
January 9th, 2015 at 9:47 am
Drafting Mariota gives Lovie time to incorporate him into the offense slowly, a mobile QB that can buy time until the O-line is improved and the Glazers won’t have to worry about the face of franchise being chased by TMZ.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:30 am
This pick instead of Trestman is an indicator they’ll go Mariota not Winston.
The Glazers want no drama at QB, not after the Freeman debacle.
time to begin the Mission to Marcus feature
January 9th, 2015 at 11:31 am
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Despite what many are calling a “spread look” from the Erhardt-Perkins offense that Dirk Koetter runs, it’s often pro-style in that it does not attempt to simplify the read-system or present ways to change the two-man advantage the defense has in the running game, and it relies on the offensive linemen to sustain blocks longer.
In the sense that it does “spread” the defense out both horizontally and vertically, it certainly does that, but not in the sense of the Kevin Sumlin/Dana Holgorsen way—only 14% of Matt Ryan’s passes last year were behind the line of scrimmage, whereas Nick Foles saw nearly one-fifth of his passes do the same”
That is an interesting read!
January 9th, 2015 at 11:46 am
Thats a big stretch Joe.
It’s like playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon.
Regardless, I am just happy they get to draft one of these two. I think they both are franchise guys. The biggest thing is to get them with an OC and KEEP them together for years.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
So does he get credit for having ties to Winston since Helfrich coached Mariota who played against Winston. Oh yeah Davonte Freeman plays for the Falcons.
January 10th, 2015 at 3:29 am
@TDG – I don’t know, but it’s a MUCH better debate to have than who’s the best college QB to take.
…I mean, that’s so easy, it shouldn’t take 3 months!?
It’s clearly Mariota!