Jameis Watch: “Rather Impressive”
January 9th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Add noted long-time NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell to the chorus of NFL insiders proclaiming Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston is the one NFL teams can bank on.
Cosell recently spent time with BSPN radio’s Colin Cowturd to explain how he only studied just two of Winston’s games, but came away impressed with the 21-year old signal-caller, documents “The Commish,” Justin Pawlowski of Scout.com.
“I think he’s the kid with the instincts of a pocket passer. He’s strong in the pocket. He reads coverage. At times he’s a little reckless and careless with his decision making, so you have to decide if that will carry over and what you can teach there. He’s a confident thrower, so he’ll throw it into windows.
“I thought what he really showed, it’s so important as you transition to the NFL, is he (Winston) showed natural anticipation,” Cosell said. “In two games I watched, I must have seen five or six really good anticipation throws before receivers came out of breaks. That’s critical.
“In the two games I watched [on film], I thought he was rather impressive. The skill-set is clearly there. He’s got potentially high level traits and attributes to play NFL quarterback.”
The two games Cosell watched were against Notre Dame and Louisville, per Pawlowski, games in which Winston had subpar first halves but played lights out coming from behind in the second halves.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
Welcome to Tampa Jameis
January 9th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Chris Landry on Friday’s Steve Duemig’s show:
“No quarterback with character issues going into the draft has ever had success in the NFL…….”
speaks volumes…..
Simple as that….
January 9th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
ok I have a prediction I think the Bucs will draft Marcus Mariota with the #1 pick and the Titans will draft James Winston. The Bucs will trade with the Titans Marcus Mariota for Jameis Watch and this years #2 round pick. MG8 will be traded to the Cardinals for a #3 round pick. Hasselback will be brought in on free agency and McClown will retire.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
He’s gonna have to change his number! He’s going to give of flashback nightmares.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Didn’t Winston throw 3 interceptions against Louisville?
January 9th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
I have a prediction that Winston is found guilt in SEVERAL civil suits and owes millions that he hasn’t even earned yet. He and OJ can hang out with Crosby and talk about the good ole days.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Chris Landry is correct. Between Licht and Smith one would hope Bucs are wise enough to pass. Message to the Glazers, “Don’t you dare “.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Jamis Cosby and Joe can hang out and discuss their pudding pops while mariota leads bucs back to playoffs
January 9th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Sub-par in the 1st half of the Louisville game is an understatement. He played so bad he was literally accused of a federal crime.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Brooks said this morning that he doesn’t think Winston is ready for the NFL yet. You can listen to it in the “Quarterbacking This Defense From The Back” article before this one.
Joe isn’t going to mention that, so you’ll have to listen to the audio to hear it. This is someone you Winston supporters are quoting. So quote him here. Winston is not ready for the Pros.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Love the drama filled BS that is no where near the truth!!! Cover up crap to fill your own fantasy.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Instead of the Jameis boner, it would be interesting if we could get some ideas about the Bucs plans to replace (or not) Arroyo and Warhop now that they have an OC.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
Dan Marino had “character issues” coming out of college.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
I seriously love all you haters who can’t stand Jameis yet you’re the first ones in every article on this site with a feature about him crying a river. Keep telling yourself he’s Jamarcus Russell, Josh Freeman, etc. if that’s what makes you sleep better. Keep pointing to the fact he’s gotten in trouble for some petty shit a lot of people grow up doing which automatically makes him evil lol. I don’t remember hearing anything about Hernandez at UF or Marvin Harrison causing trouble in school but they were murdering people in their spare time IN THE NFL. FACT IS you don’t know Jameis, don’t know what he’s done or what he will do in the NFL just like any other player coming out including Mariotta. Haters gonna hate but I’m sure Joe appreciates every “click” on the website. Bless you haters 🙂
January 9th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
BTW, Cossell watched 2 whole games to decide. I watched 7 (3 for Winston, 3 for Mariota and the Rose Bowl with both). I guess that makes me more qualified to judge than he is, right?
Mariota is better.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
The buc pessimist formerly DB55 Says
“He’s gonna have to change his number! He’s going to give of flashback nightmares.”
No he won’t…because he won’t be a Buccaneer.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
Joe, I wouldn’t word it quite like Cascade did, but I’d like to know if there will be other coaching changes to the offense or defense as well. Have you heard anything?
I’m assuming defense will not be addressed until the Cowboys get beat this weekend…or it would be tampering.
But Aroyyo is q mystery. I said yesterday they may not fire him because he was asked to do too much. But I also said maybe they will change his position with the team as well. Just curious.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
@ Joes and the other Winston supporters, you guys need to read this:
Veteran draft analyst Russ Lande of GM Jr. says in his podcast with Josh LIskiewitz and Scott Bischoff, starting at around 18:00.
“Winston to me is a terrifying prospect,” Lande said. “Because while I understand some of the physical skills that get people excited. He’s got a plus arm, he can make every throw ridiculously easily. When he’s doing things right, not over-striding which is a big problem he has, when he is striding correctly he can make every throw accurately, on time, and he can be very good at anticipating receivers, leading them toward big plays.”
“However all that being said, I don’t think he has great pocket awareness, I think he takes a lot of hits and sacks in the pocket that he doesn’t need to, I don’t think he protects the ball particularly well in terms of fumbling. And the biggest problem I have is I don’t know if he can see the field particularly well. And the reason I say that is, it is remarkable the number of passes that he throws that defenders have an opportunity to get two hands on and make an interception.”
“I’ve never charted a front-line quarterback that was being considered as a first-round pick that threw as many balls into bad spots. He really reminds me, and I’m not talking about character or any of that, just on the football field. He reminds me a lot of Jay Cutler. A guy with enormoous physical talent who always finds a way to put the ball in the opponent’s chest. One of the things that I think is concerning in addition to that, is that this kid plays with a clean pocket almost every game, because he has a great offensive line in front of him, he has a lot of time to throw the ball, and he still finds a way to throw balls for defenders to get their hands on.”
“When I chart this kid out, he charts out as a late-round pick,” Lande said. “I’m not saying that he wouldn’t warrant maybe going a little earlier. But when you add in the questions, the off-field concerns, I just don’t see where you draft this guy because I think he’s gonna really struggle to be a consistent starter in the NFL.”
January 9th, 2015 at 7:37 pm
Cosell: “Griffin is a superior arm talent and better natural passer than Luck.” http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/23/cosell-talks-mock-draft/
ZAM!
January 9th, 2015 at 7:39 pm
This debate will be endless for the next 14 weeks. Joe will see to that with his “daily Jameis nugget”.
I personally believe that both have a good chance to be solid NFL QBs – But that Winston has more upside and is a more NFL ready now talent than Mariota. I predict that Jameis will be a top 10 stud NFL QB for many years – if he can keep his nose clean that is. It’s been almost 4 months since his last “incident”. That’s a start I guess….
January 9th, 2015 at 7:40 pm
In the case of Winston, many will always be quicker to judge him and slower to forgive him because of his “tan”…that’s fact…anyone that compares this kid to JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, and (Any other garbage black QB you can think of) your pride/hate has you mistaken…Winston is more Elway/Luck/Moon…I believe he has 2 or 3 SuperBowls in him…
Lovie & Staff need W’s and may go with the QB with the shortest learning curve; No risk, No reward, personally I think he’ll be fine off the field, we have enough coaches and veterans on the team to help him transition (a few years ago we couldn’t say that)…
January 9th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
Mariota needs to be the pick bucs organization that is reading this or your fans will almost all completely leave
January 9th, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Cody Says:
In the case of Winston, many will always be quicker to judge him and slower to forgive him because of his “tan”…that’s fact
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Or that Mariota’s got a great head of hair.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:53 pm
There’s a petition out there too keep Winston out of Tampa, Everyone who Wants Mariota instead of Winston, please go sign it! Here’s the linkhttps://www.change.org/p/the-tampa-bay-buccaneers-respect-your-thousands-of-female-fans-and-the-tampa-bay-community-and-refuse-to-draft-jameis-winston.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
I agree. Mariota does have great hair.makes me judge him differently.So does his island “tan”.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
The comments are more fun to read than the posts!
January 9th, 2015 at 7:58 pm
What the hell is a petition going to do?
January 9th, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Every single outsider opinion in the country carries less weight than this one:
Former Buccaneers head coach Tony Dungy is an unabashed fan of Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota. Dungy recently told Dan Patrick that Mariota would be a great pro quarterback.
“Marcus Mariota is a fantastic player,” Dungy said. “He’s going to be a great pro. He can throw from the pocket. I watched him in practice. I watched him in training camp for three years when my son was at Oregon. Not only is he going to be a great quarterback, he’s going to be a great person – face of the franchise for whoever takes him. I think this is Aaron Rodgers in the waiting.”
Dungy was asked if he would draft the Heisman Trophy winner if he were the general manager of the Buccaneers.
“I’m taking Marcus Mariota in a heartbeat, and I’m excited to have him,” Dungy said.
January 9th, 2015 at 7:59 pm
A lot if the Glazers see it, they wont be able to ignore it.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:01 pm
Russ Lande had a different opinion of Winston….but we likely won’t see any negative comments on Winston or any positive comments on Mariota.
According to Joe’s “poll” Mariota was the favorite of JBF readers by a 2-1 margin…..this is shocking considering the daily articles have been so one-sided.
It’s as if it is a foregone conclusion that the Bucs will draft Winston.
I have stated that I am OK and will support whatever choice they make….but will sleep better with Mariota as the pick.
The problem for Winston….and I feel a bit sorry for him….but he will probably need a “Ray Donovan” to help protect him from the extortion threats….and will need a witness to his “encounters” or perhaps videotapes to assure their was consent.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
Erik with Clean Athletics Says:
January 9th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
@ Joes and the other Winston supporters, you guys need to read this:
Veteran draft analyst Russ Lande of GM Jr. says in his podcast with Josh LIskiewitz and Scott Bischoff, starting at around 18:00.
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“However all that being said, I don’t think he has great pocket awareness, I think he takes a lot of hits and sacks in the pocket that he doesn’t need to, I don’t think he protects the ball particularly well in terms of fumbling. And the biggest problem I have is I don’t know if he can see the field particularly well. And the reason I say that is, it is remarkable the number of passes that he throws that defenders have an opportunity to get two hands on and make an interception.”
“I’ve never charted a front-line quarterback that was being considered as a first-round pick that threw as many balls into bad spots. He really reminds me, and I’m not talking about character or any of that, just on the football field. He reminds me a lot of Jay Cutler. A guy with enormoous physical talent who always finds a way to put the ball in the opponent’s chest. One of the things that I think is concerning in addition to that, is that this kid plays with a clean pocket almost every game, because he has a great offensive line in front of him, he has a lot of time to throw the ball, and he still finds a way to throw balls for defenders to get their hands on.”
This sounds a lot like the evaluation I had of Winston:
Winston
Going into the Rose Bowl, I was watching for certain things from Winston. I had concerns about his wind up, his posture while passing, his pocket presence, his progressions, speed of release and leadership. Also, I wanted to evaluate the offense, see if it was truly NFL ready.
Wind up – It’s not an illusion. He isn’t quite as bad as Leftwich or Tebow, but he’s alarmingly close. Given his baseball background, I believe this is the contributing factor. I also have my doubts that it can be de-programed since he has it in both sports.
Posture – He places his weight improperly while passing the ball. This was consistently the case throughout the 4 games (3+Rose Bowl)
Pocket Presence & Release Speed – Winston holds onto the ball too long because he is very slow going through progressions. Watch him closely. He does not do it by instinct, and he rarely reacts quickly. His progressions are almost forced. This is alarming to me, because in the NFL, he will not have the time he has in college. Expect a lot of sacks and fumbles. He’s a statue in the pocket as well. Bad instincts for moving around.
Stares Down Targets – Winston consistently stared down his targets. Every play. Not once did he fool the defense with his eyes. Yes, he would stare, glance once to another target and then stare back at his WR.
Leadership – Okay, this is a big one. I was hoping he would lose the Rose Bowl because he was undefeated. No one had ever seen how he handled the adversity of losing, and I wanted to see how he did. Being undefeated is well and good, but that doesn’t happen in the NFL. What I saw was alarming. He consistently acted like a child, pointing fingers and screaming at his teammates. He blamed EVERYTHING on them. Even if it was their fault, which was the case at times, that is not leadership and we all know it. He screamed at his coach. Yes, it is claimed that happens all the time. That doesn’t make me feel better. In fact, it raises more red flags.
When he finally got himself under control, he gathered his offense and tried to give them a pep talk, but it was too little too late. You could tell by their expressions that he had alienated them with his behavior. That’s what we can expect if he comes to Tampa.
The Offense – Not as NFL style as people claim. There were often 4 WRs on the line. We rarely, if ever, see that in the NFL. I suspect this is because of his weakness in the pocket and scrambling. He cannot buy time, so they have to give him as many options as possible.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=129642&cpage=2#comment-3494371
January 9th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
there was consent…..oops..
January 9th, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Winston is not a great quarterback, he has some traits that may or may not transfer over to the NFL. However, the off the field concerns are just to much too ignore. I would take him in the second round but not 1 pick higher. Take Mariota or trade down, its our only options.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:05 pm
Joe sucked me into this debate last year with his constant campaigning for Johnny Football. He finally convinced me we must have a good QB.
Lost in all of this though is the fact we may have had a “good enough” QB on the roster already in Glennon. We never found out. Never had the chance with no OC, and no OL.
I was big on either QB as long as we drafted a QB with that #1 pick. I drank Joe’s kool aid. I’m off of it now.
I’m not certain that the Koetter hire hasn’t given Lovie the confidence to ignore the two Heismans and the six out of seven chance they will not make it.
Koetter can find a competent QB outside of the top two. Glennon MAY be competent. Without a coach or OL it’s impossible to judge him FAIRLY.
Koetter’s skill set working with QB’s may have actually freed Lovie to either trade the #1 for multiple picks or simply take the BPA which in the opinion of many is Leonard Williams. How desperate have the Bucs been for a pass rush?
Or Lovie could trade down just a bit and get Andrus Peat a franchise LT.
There are many options. This has degenerated into a debate between Jameis and Marcus while there are many other considerations.
Maybe we should be looking at this like baseball’s Billy Beane. What are the probabilities of a Heisman QB working out. Since 1950 there have been 27 of them and only four with any real success. That’s 1-7.
So ask yourself this. It’s ALL a crapshoot in the draft. Do you feel more certain that Williams will be a great DL or that Jameis or Marcus will be a great QB. I’m starting to go with the Bobby Beathard school of drafting.
Increase the odds by multiplying the number of picks. Decrease the failures by not taking 1 in 7 gambles.
I get the fear surrounding Marcus on the field. I get the fear surrounding Jameis off the field. Maybe it’s time to focus on the BPA or perhaps even multiplying our picks and going for the BP’sA.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
And just to make it fair, from the same post:
Mariota
After watching three games, I went into the Rose Bowl watching for several things. I wanted to see him under center. I wanted to see if his pocket presence was a fluke from the other games, because it seemed better than I’d heard. Progressions. I wanted to watch his accuracy on short, medium and long passes. I wanted to watch how he scrambled left (blind side). Would he throw on the run well? And Leadership.
Under Center – I did not see him under center once during the 4 games (3+Rose bowl). This is an area of concern, especially if we keep EDS as center, because EDS often botches long snaps. There is no sugar coating this fault. We don’t know if he will adjust to being under center because we have not witnessed it. Neither do we know that he will not adjust. It’s pure guessing.
Pocket Presence & Release – Throughout all 4 games, he remained mobile in the pocket. More than that. He had good instincts as to where to move in the pocket most of the time. He did not have a “run first” attitude like people have claimed. In fact, this was not the case in any of the 4 games. I suspect people pointing at “run first” have not done their research. He has a short, high release. This is a good thing mostly. He could get a little more range if he needed to by lengthening the occasional wind up slightly (not as much as Winston).
Progressions – Mariota detractors claim he does not go through his progressions. This is not what I witnessed in the 4 games. I saw him instinctively go through them very, very quickly. This, I believe, is a bi-product of the Spread Offense. Instead of having a set target, he has several options on each play. To me, this would play into the new NFL Offenses…the ones that are fast-paced. We heard Fast-paced coming into the last season, but it never materialized. With Mariota it would.
Accuracy – He plants his feet properly and he throws. there were a couple floaters that could have been picked off by a pro, but for the most part he was very accurate. What detractors pointed to as inaccurate was mostly ball placement to reduce risk of interceptions. He laid the ball right where it needed to be, consistently. Not every time, but consistently. This points to an instinct that many college QBs do not have. Winston has shown no sign of it. I saw Winston drop the ball right in the prime pick area several times throughout each of the 4 games. Mariota did not go deep much. I think he has the arm, but the accuracy was 50-50 throughout the 4 games on deep passes. Short to Medium were mostly spot on.
Scramble Left & Throwing on the Run – Out of 4 games, I saw him scramble left maybe 7 times. Only 1 or 2 during the Rose Bowl. Of the 7, he scrambled once, through the ball away twice, had one incompletion and the rest were completions (3). I think that’s reasonable because he made 3 of 4 attempts. It may not be his strength, but he can grow into it. Scrambling to the right and throwing on the run Mariota was deadly accurate…even across the field.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:08 pm
I’d take either QB, Winston has his positives as does Mariota. But I think the Bucs have already made the decision to take Mariota. Of course I don’t know what will happen, but think this is where they are headed. Winston would be exciting to watch without a doubt. I have no favorite of these two QB’s.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:09 pm
Great read Bonzai! good work!
January 9th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
Yeah and they won’t be able to ignore the season ticket and jersey demands if he’s drafted. A petition will do nothing. Some of us Bucs fans are so starved of good QB play that Winston could be the next Heisanberg and people would still want him here.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
@StPeteBucsFan
I think quarterback is a must. Consider this…why didn’t Tony Dungy win a superbowl here?
No quarterback. We had good players at most positions but that.
Gruden had Brad Johnson, who worked for a year. But why did he not get us back to the Superbowl? Musical quarterbacks. Jeff Garcia said it best: “Jon Gruden doesn’t want to marry a quarterback, he just likes to date them.”
So you have to ask yourself. Which would you rather have? One trip to the Superbowl followed with a decade of one and dones in the playoffs (or worse), or get a quarterback (at last) to build around and compete for a Superbowl for the next decade?
Because teams without a franchise quarterback only do it rarely. Teams with one have a chance to go every year.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
Chris Landry is 100% correct, as anyone with half a brain can see that. Same reason Johnny Football will never be good, in spite of only playing 6 quarters of horrible football. And no, Marino did not have significant character issues, there were rumors of drug use but the main reason he fell is that the 1983 draft is probably the best draft in history.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
Funny, in the 12 games I watched he threw 18 interceptions. Child, please!
January 9th, 2015 at 8:27 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai
RE: Mariota evaluation
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You pretty much summed it up for me. I could add a couple of +/- but you are pretty much spot on.
Bravo!
January 9th, 2015 at 8:28 pm
JOE………YOU ARE PATHETIC. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
IF you keep this up anyone who was on the fence about Jameis will Absolutely Hate him
You REALLY are slipping in your journalism
January 9th, 2015 at 8:28 pm
Let’s be for real here
Lovie is going to start McCown next year – we all know this. It doesn’t matter who they draft
They are going to draft Mariota and let him sit for a year – he is not going to start right away, let him work on his mechanics
The Bucs will not draft someone with character issues to lead the franchise
January 9th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Tom Edrington Says:
January 9th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Chris Landry on Friday’s Steve Duemig’s show:
“No quarterback with character issues going into the draft has ever had success in the NFL…….”
speaks volumes…..
Simple as that….
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Nobody? Cam Newton’s issues were well documented. Peyton Manning put his naked testicles and anus in the face of a female trainer and sat down (as a senior no less), Ben Roethlisberger was known as complete dummy, and Dan Marino was reported to have failed a drug test for cocaine while at Pittsburgh. Supposedly, Jim Kelly had a bit of a coke problem when he was with the Bills. You sure that no QBs with character issues has ever had success? I think it is well documented that there have been many QBs with character issues that have success in the NFL.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
@BucBonzai
“Because teams without a franchise quarterback only do it rarely. Teams with one have a chance to go every year.”
No problem with that statement, I agree wholeheartedly. That’s how Joe sucked me into the entire Jameis or Marcus thing to begin with.
My questions would be…first define a franchise QB. Flacco? Matty Ice?
Philip Rivers? I just read a site that statistically shows the majority of these kinds of starters come from the first round…but plenty do not. And plenty of the first rounders were not the top overall pick.
And so I’m beginning to think Bobby Beathard was right. You don’t HAVE to use a first round pick to grab a “franchise QB”. Did you consider Mark Rypien a franchise QB or another one hit wonder. I’m ambivalent about him. But Beathard got him in the sixth round. Ironically because there are a lot of sixth round QB picks…people throwing darts hoping to pick up a solid backup…the sixth round produces better than 3-5 but Tom Brady does skew those stats.
Bottom line for me Bonzai is with Koetter aboard I’m comfortable now with whatever we do. I certainly hope if it’s a QB it’s Mariota.
I was forced to root for Warren Sapp because the Bucs drafted the jerk. But I always held my nose. It’ll be the same if it’s Jameis.
I’m just not raised to enjoy players like Johnny Football and the “money” fingertip thing. Talk about juvenile and bush league. I do not enjoy Jameis shushing the crowd sign on the road after he scores….bush league.
Jameis has talent. No doubt. He’s not ‘FACE OF THE FRANCHISE” material.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
jk Says:
January 9th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
Chris Landry is 100% correct, as anyone with half a brain can see that. Same reason Johnny Football will never be good, in spite of only playing 6 quarters of horrible football. And no, Marino did not have significant character issues, there were rumors of drug use but the main reason he fell is that the 1983 draft is probably the best draft in history.
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Right, because Tony Eason and Todd Blackledge were so clearly much better than him.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Colon CowTurd!? Really!?!
January 9th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Way to go Buccaneer Bonzai
FINALLY some non biased journalism around here.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
Dan Marino is a cement head with a rocket arm. But JK is right. He fell in that draft, not because he’s not bright, even those he’s not, and not over character issues. That draft is widely considered the greatest QB class EVER. BSPN has even done a special on that class.
And speaking of Dan Marino, nobody doubts his arm or talent. He’s in the record books as one of the greatest passers of all time. Dumb or not he deserves and gets scoreboard for that.
Anybody remember his SB record? As I recall he reached the big game his first year only to lose. He NEVER got back again making the playoffs 10 of his 17 years. A FRANCHISE QB par excellence who only made the playoffs a little more than half the time and the SB once in 17 years playing for one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Franchise QB’s are valuable but even they are not a sure thing.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:38 pm
@Tom Edrington,
But does he REALLY have character issues? I’m not sure he does and I bet most nfl types will feel good about his character.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:38 pm
@Erik with Clean Athletics Says
Tony Dungy’s son played football at Oregon with Mariota so I doubt very seriously he has an unbiased opinion. BTW what decent QB has he ever drafted?
January 9th, 2015 at 8:41 pm
A large part of the reasons why 1st round QBs fail is because they go to bad teams. They are expected to come in and save the franchise and the expectations can almost never meet reality. Because the team is poor, the team is usually in a constant state of both roster and coaching turnover. Also, because the team did poorly the season before, usually they don’t receive the best coaching.
There are many QBs that would have been much better had they gone to the right situation (like Aaron Rodgers did). There are a ton of guys out there that could’ve been much better in better situations. Jake Locker was not NFL ready but he had the tools. He went to a crappy Titan team, with crappy receivers, a rumor of a running game, and bad coaching, and still he did…okay. Under real NFL coaching and with real NFL talent around him, especially from day 1, he could’ve been really good.
Then you look at guys like Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick. Serviceable players that were put into great situations.
Here’s the thing. The Dirk Koetter hire was huge. He is a proven effective OC that has led some offensive machines in the past. Whoever is taken, assuming one is taken, he will have coaching. Then the weapons…. a young stud in Evans, a wily big veteran in VJax, a promising young TE, and a stable of solid RBs. The Oline is less than ideal… but this team is one solid RT and decent RG away from having at least an average OLine which is far more than Koetter ever had to work with in Atlanta…or Jacksonville. The Buccaneers have the know how and weapons for a young QB to succeed. The time is now to draft the future… and if Winston is the man, he’s ready right now and can win in the NFL…this season.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
Waterboy Says:
January 9th, 2015 at 8:38 pm
@Erik with Clean Athletics Says
Tony Dungy’s son played football at Oregon with Mariota so I doubt very seriously he has an unbiased opinion. BTW what decent QB has he ever drafted?
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Plus, Dungy wants a choir boy.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
@erik
I could understand the concern about the cutler comparison. The over confidence. But his work ethic and leadership characteristics are better than cutlers. Well… I would bet his work ethic is better. We know his leadership is better than cutler. That’s not really saying much though.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
January 9th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
Dan Marino is a cement head with a rocket arm. But JK is right. He fell in that draft, not because he’s not bright, even those he’s not, and not over character issues. That draft is widely considered the greatest QB class EVER. BSPN has even done a special on that class.
And speaking of Dan Marino, nobody doubts his arm or talent. He’s in the record books as one of the greatest passers of all time. Dumb or not he deserves and gets scoreboard for that.
Anybody remember his SB record? As I recall he reached the big game his first year only to lose. He NEVER got back again making the playoffs 10 of his 17 years. A FRANCHISE QB par excellence who only made the playoffs a little more than half the time and the SB once in 17 years playing for one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Franchise QB’s are valuable but even they are not a sure thing.
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His defenses were historically bad and he often had no running game. The offense, and all of Miami’s wins from 83-the early 90’s, came from Marino’s arm.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:51 pm
Nice well thought out post Brandon. I largely agree with some minor exceptions.
I’m assuming that you believe the Bucs will select one of the Heismans and let Koetter develop him. That’s certainly possible.
I’m now not certain that Koetter may not be able to develop Glennon. Again I’m just talking about getting him to Flacco/Ryan level not Manning/Brady level.
And this point you make is spot on…
A large part of the reasons why 1st round QBs fail is because they go to bad teams. They are expected to come in and save the franchise and the expectations can almost never meet reality. Because the team is poor, the team is usually in a constant state of both roster and coaching turnover. Also, because the team did poorly the season before, usually they don’t receive the best coaching.
I couldn’t agree more and again perhaps that was why Lovie didn’t want to destroy Glennon before finding out what a real NFL OC could do with him.
We’ll know for sure with Koetter on board how L&L REALLY feel about MG8.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
@bonzai,
Wow really great objective post! Not biased at all! Your points make complete sense and in no way have you cherry picked observations to prove a pre-determined opinion! Great work!
January 9th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
The kind of negativity that Winston will draw alone will be enough not to draft him. The Bucs can ill afford a bad selection. With that said my wife said she would never go or watch another Bucs game if they draft Winston. That’s the negativity this guy brings. I guess if the Bucs do draft him (God I hope not) I will be going to games by myself. I’d hate the pick but but not enough to give up my team.. Hearing what Landry said today makes the most sense. See above if you need the quote exactly but basically he’s never seen a QB with baggage make it in the NFL. Of course Joe won’t print that article. I hope the Joes get the blasting they deserve when the Bucs select Mariota and Winston drops in the draft and flops like Johnny boy.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:57 pm
I think we can all manage to find one “expert” who agrees w our opinion on the subject (see: eriks post). However, I think it’s already becoming clear that a majority of analysts would suggest Winston over Mariota talent wise.
January 9th, 2015 at 8:57 pm
Brandon
“His defenses were historically bad and he often had no running game. The offense, and all of Miami’s wins from 83-the early 90’s, came from Marino’s arm.”
Agree with that completely. But it just emphasizes my point that franchise QB’s even one of the very best in history are no guarantee.
What I don’t know Brandon and maybe you do, is if Marino’s huge paycheck cut into the Dolphins ability to also spend on defense? Did Shula just start losing his fastball…remember he was a defensive back as a player. Was it just bad luck.
That’s the tough balance with a truly great QB especially now in the salary cap era. If you pay a ton to Brady you better have Belicheat’s ability to find jewels and swap parts frequently.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
@stpetebucsfan,
Good point. I’ll piggy back off of that by telling all those people who Say bucs need an OL instead… Bucs need A LOT. They won 2 friggin games.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:04 pm
I will say that even though josh McCown may stink at QB, he’d be a great guy to play in front of Jameis or Marcus for a year and show him how a professional addresses the media, prepares for Sundays, etc. and if he gets benched nid season, he probably continues to mentor because he has that whole selfless Christian personality to him.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:09 pm
@bucnears,
I’d wager that for every person like your wife who says they will stop going to games, there’s someone life myself who has already told their account rep they will purchase tickets the day after Winston is drafted. And i didn’t hear the Landry interview, but the only quote I’ve read here in no way says that Landry also said he thinks Winston has baggage. I know that sounds crazy to some of you, but again, I think people have largely overblown winstons off field issues. And if ANYONE drops, it’s Mariota. But I doubt either of the two last past 5th pick.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:10 pm
the commish said: “I think he’s the kid with the instincts of a pocket passer. He’s strong in the pocket.” jameis will get damaged much worse than mccown did this year without a decent 0-LINE. mccown is very mobile! this new 0C had better start getting an 0-line shopping list for free agency!
January 9th, 2015 at 9:17 pm
Joe reminds me of a former girlfriend – gets mad man-crushes on the bad boys
January 9th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Mr Patrick
Are you outing yourself as a bad boy? 🙂
January 9th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
Nice read Bonzai. Although I disagree with a few things on Winston. As far as screaming at his coach. That’s the relationship he and Jimbo have. They feed off of each other. He’s a very fired up individual when he takes the field. That to me shows his fire and intensity for the game. To you I see it means a red flag, as you see I’m not even close to that way of thinking. Perhaps you would prefer someone like Josh Freeman again that just sulks on the sidelines when things go bad. Winston DOES go through his progressions too where as Mariota never has to, because his WR’s are always wide open.
I’m like most of you though when it comes to which one they will take. I’ll embrace Mariota as long as they have a plan for him. Right now “the poll” that I have in my mind has me at 70% for Winston 30% for Mariota.
They better take one or the other though. I’m 100% against trading this pick away.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
BucNears ….ha ha ha ha “Winston drops in the draft”….ha ha ha ha ha.
Winston has more talent in his pinky finger than Manziel.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:33 pm
SPBF – If it helps get the pretty girls, then sure! lol
January 9th, 2015 at 9:41 pm
@87forjameis,
Yea you’re pretty much on point. I disagree w almost 100% of bonzais “analysis”, as I’ve outlined in great detail last night, but at least he tries. If the Bucs trade out of the pick, they need to get a kings ransom. As much as I would hate not taking Jameis, being a diehard rays fan has taught me to view draft picks and players as assets that have a value, and if you can trade them for greater value, you do it. Difference is, I have complete faith in the rays FO despite some of their draft misses. Bucs management/ownership on the other hand…
January 9th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Why does everyone keep bringing up who Father Dungy likes. Is he the current head coach? QB guru?
Wait….didn’t the Glazers fire Dungy?
Why would he have any influence?
Someone please explain this to me.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
Fans threatening to cancel their season tickets if we draft Winston is more that welcome to come back when we start winning…
Winstons toughness, scheme versatility, overall arm talent, and experience under center gives him the edge Imo…If Lovie wants a plug n play QB he’ll take Winston if he thinks he’ll have a few years to wait he’ll take Mariota…
January 9th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
@Matt…I’m an FSU fan so my posts probably carry no weight anyways. I am looking out for the best interest of my Bucs though. I’m trying not to be bias. I know what Winston can do and I want him badly.
I just want our team to FINALLY have a franchise QB.
All of us longtime fans have waited long enough for one!
January 9th, 2015 at 9:50 pm
Yea, all comparisons between Manziel and Winston need to stop right now. I wasn’t around to hear Joes commentary on Manziel, but I’ll agree that if it’s what everyone said it was, i would’ve disagreed pre draft. But saying Winston and Manziel have similar character is just absurd. Johnny is the one putting up money signs and following celebrities around doing his best drake impression. Winston is nothing like Manziel at all. Also, just because joe missed one, doesn’t mean he can never get one right again. Andrew Friedman signed pat burrel.
January 9th, 2015 at 9:51 pm
Matt Says:
January 9th, 2015 at 9:09 pm
“@bucnears,
I’d wager that for every person like your wife who says they will stop going to games, there’s someone life myself who has already told their account rep they will purchase tickets the day after Winston is drafted.”
This….this right here is on point Matt.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
@87,
Id tell you where I graduated from but then people here would think I can’t be objective. I’ll say that the minute the Bills drafted EJ Manuel in the first round, I probably had one of the hardest laughs in long long time. Apparently event Jimbo told NFL scouts he didn’t think EJ was a first round worthy.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:07 pm
I’m starting to wonder that if Winston is so good why Joe feels it’s necessary to present only positive reviews and basically ignore the JBF reader favorite, Mariota….
Joe obviously feels that Winston needs selling.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:09 pm
@Matt…lol. Me too about Manuel… and Ponder.
In fact when the Bills came to town in 2013 I had season tickets. I wore my FSU hat and taunted their fans about how much Manuel sucked while I pointed at my hat.
This was my favorite line. “You guys drafted EJ Manuel in the first round ha ha ha ha I’m FSU and EJ Manuel sucks.”
I must have said that about 15 times while I was at the game. I talk a lot of trash to opposing teams fans. I don’t care if my team is the Bucs and I have no room to talk. I have Buccaneer pride. It’s our house, and I let it be known.
BTW don’t hate me for being a Red Sox fan…I grew up near Boston, but I’m a diehard Bucs fan since 1987. I love the Bucs 10 times more than the Sox.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:10 pm
@87
I know you are a huge Winston fan and were calling for him even in 2013…..but even you have to be a bit uncomfortable with the one-sided coverage on this.
Put all the facts forward…..make you case….let the debate ensue…..don’t proceed like a third world dictator’s newspaper
January 9th, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 9th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
I agree. Mariota does have great hair.makes me judge him differently.So does his island “tan”.
I look for your statements so I can point out how stupid you are. Mariota does not have an island tan. Idiot!
January 9th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
TBBF…Joe has already stated a few times he doesn’t like spread option QB’s in a few articles. Thus is why he’s shilling for Winston.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
@Matt:
The advantage NFL people have is that can also find out how much stuff FSU may have hid. Fact is, Winston has worn out his welcome there his decision was made for him….they didn’t want him back.
And yes, when guys shoplift, put themselves in bad situations, it goes to character, he’s supposed to be a decent student, so it’s not because he’s stupid. His deportment and off-field decision making is a huge concern and any team that’s interested will spend countless hours on this.
Chris Landry was an NFL executive, he knows what he’s talking about.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
@ 87
He still likes Johnny Football and stands up for him…..Regardless of who he likes, he could still present what other’s say….
How would you feel if it were reversed and every article was about what a great prospect Mariota was?
January 9th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
TBBF
I’m a big fan and love your posts. But I understand Joe’s obsession with Jameis.
Controversy sells. And I believe Joe honestly believes Jameis is the best call.
I laughed at some poster today accusing me of wasting their time. I had to point out that Joe is the only one here making his living at this…the rest of us are just sports fans having some fun which of course is a waste of time. If you can waste some time life is pretty dang boring.
I think Joe knows his clicks! That’s his true responsibility and I don’t fault him for that. A guy’s gotta make a buck and I think he believes his Jameis hype.
And as he’s pointed out this is an opinion blog with some journalism mixed in not a journalistic endeavor with opinion added.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:20 pm
@Tom…for every negative assessment of Winston. Joe or I can find a positive one on the net. It’s not that hard.
Chris Landry, Mel Kiper, or whoever…
January 9th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
edit…can’t waste time makes life boring. That’s why I’m here. What the hell do I want to do honeydo chores or waste time talking about sports. I think you know the answer. 🙂
January 9th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Tampabaybucfan…I think he could do both if he wanted to, but it’s his site. There are other sites that don’t act like lol “third world dictator” newspapers. Joe’s going to get a kick out of that 3rd world and I’m surprised he hasn’t replied to it yet. I’m sure he will though.
I really don’t think we have a say so in what Joe wants to write or post on his site. He built it, people came, and now we are stuck here.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Alas race has reared it’s head in our Jameis-Marcus debates even though neither of them is white.
I do not believe that is what is primarily driving the deep division where I’ve read today that people who disagree with a poster are aholes…simply for disagreeing on opinions about two college QB’s both of whom have a 1 in 7 chance at success according to historical precedent.
I think aside from the HONEST debates about on the field, the other underlying cause for what the Jameis people are calling “hate” is just a difference in taste.
I get that some guys love their athletes loud and proud and trash talking all the way. That’s just not me. I prefer class. I think Johnny Football’s fingertip $$$ sign is not only juvenile but bush league. I think Jameis putting his finger over his lips to shush away game crowds when he scores is obnoxious, classless and juvenile. I get that is only MY opinion. Perhaps age factors in. I did come up in an era when sportsmanship was prized.
I realize that puts me in the minority in today world. Just realize 87 and others I do not hate Jameis or Johnny Football. I do not feel other posters who disagree with me are aholes or stupid or idiots or whatever ad hom you wish to toss out. I just appreciate sportsmanship.
An Andrew Luck story to illustrate the REAL difference between Luck and Jameis. Luck has shocked both teammates and opponents through the years when he gets blasted with a sack and picks himself up and walks over to the player who just decked him and says…good hit or great shot. That’s what I admire in an athlete not a showboat.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
@ St. Pete
Thanks…..and, I’m fully aware of what Joe is doing and why….I am simply pointing out the hypocracy from time to time…..to do a poll and not even present the results….
Most fans (and most fans probably don’t do anything but read the article, if that….most fans will be fine with whoever the choice is because they respect the decision makers….and realize they have all the facts.
I have a media background and know the controversy sells…..but I fear the controversy will unecessarily continue after the decision is made….thus polarizing the fanbase….
January 9th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
StPeteBucsFan …I’ve stated that before as well about Winston. That’s one thing that bothers me about him is his cockiness and it shows on the field in his over confidence to fit balls where they should be thrown. I think he thinks he’s invincible and is in for a big wake up call when he hits the pros.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
^^*should not be thrown.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
TBBF
I only participate in two blogs and that is enough time to waste. LOL
I began on a WAPO political blog and while I totally admire and respect the host of that blog it’s actually commenters who attract me.
While I certainly respect and enjoy Joe’s takes I would spend a LOT less time here if it wasn’t for the comment section. I enjoy the readers various takes and the byplay between the readers.
And I learn a LOT on both blogs. Although I confess I’m still trying to learn the details of the internet meme Jameis was trying to emphasize with his f her in the p remark.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
@ St. Pete
There are very few haters….really….because it is difficult to hate someone if you don’t know them….They may hate what a player does…..hate how he acts….etc…but not the person.
Now bias…..that’s another story…certainly there is bias with the QB…
Bias’ with:
Playing Style, College Attended, Geographic Area & sadly Race.
Raising character issues are a very relevant part of the discussion….like I have said, I can live with either QB but I will sleep more peacefully with Mariota.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:42 pm
87
You’ve told us you’re a Noles fan which give you bonus points for disclosure.
I’m just curious. I get from that perspective why you love Jameis. But aren’t you even MORE pumped for the Noles prospects next year.
Regardless of our disagreement on Jameis nobody can argue with the success of your coach. Jimbo once again is taking names and kicking butt with the recruiting. He may be the best in the nation.
And 87 I don’t know if you read this but I saw a story that pointed out that Jimbo, already a terrific recruiter now has added cred and admiration with the young AA athletes because of his unswerving defense of Jameis. So there is a silver lining in your Jameis controversy.
BTW 87 hope you’re feeling better tonight.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:43 pm
I’ve tried all the other sites. Joe gets the most traffic as far as commenters go and I like a lot of his witty writing. Plus it helps if I agree with him about 75% of the time. The other 25% he just pisses me off, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Guess I got rid of Matt. All I had to do was mention the Red Sox….ha.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
Oh yeah man I’m excited for next season as an FSU fan. I just love watching Cook run the football…if he holds onto it. The kid was only a freshman.
I have diverticulitis. Last week I got my first infection of it. YOW! It’s sucks balls. I’m on the 5th day of antibiotics and I don’t know if it’s working. I heard it takes a week. I guess it’s not as bad as the first day, but man it really does hurt like a son of a.
Okay back to football.
January 9th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
@87
My criticism of Joe’s articles is always carefully worded…..I respect his right to write what he chooses…..and allowing us to respectfully disagree with him. The disageement is what creates readership….so, he is wise to permit it.
Joe has never warned me or failed to post my remarks.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
87
On vacation about three years ago I had these horrible stomach pains. I kept driving up I-75 pushing until the pain was just too severe.
I hit the emergency room and the physician’s first guess was either diverticulitis or a kidney stone. Ended up a kidney stone and they had to go in through my…yeaooww to retrieve it. Since the pains are similar you have my complete sympathy!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
I think people only want marriota because he hasn’t got in trouble. Not the interceptions or anything just the trouble. And the only thing that bothers me is the rape allegations which again I can’t pay to much attention to cause as I learned in cja he wasn’t charged he is innocent it didn’t happen. And FYI many qbs threw interceptions in collage “Matt ryan ” 16 and who was his oc?
January 9th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
SPPF,
You really need to drop the 1 in 7 success rate for heisman trophy winners. The Bucs, as most teams, have an analytics department. I can assure you beyond any doubt that they do not rely on such a basic statistic. It’s worthless.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:19 pm
Anonymous
Worthless in your opinion. I post nothing here for the Bucs analytic dept. With all due respect to the Joes I do not believe the Bucs come here for advice from anybody!!!
I post that simply for perspective. Why would that bother you? If you’re for taking one of the Heimans simply state your case. There are good reasons to take one of them. But that curse is just one of the reasons we should at least have second thoughts.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
LOL
If that were true, Joe wouldn’t have comments. 🙂
As for writing what Joe writes, Joe has to be honest with himself. It would be highly deceitful if Joe wrote about something he doesn’t believe in, just to pacify a handful or readers.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:28 pm
Handfull of readers?
50% of your readers would draft the other guy first……now even you would agree that 50% of your readers is more than a handfull…..certainly
January 9th, 2015 at 11:30 pm
It’s not my opinion. It’s a fact offered for perspective.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:34 pm
Chris Landry also said that Josh McCown was a”GREAT” free agent pickup for the Bucs . How did that work out?
January 9th, 2015 at 11:36 pm
So Joe should campaign for a guy he doesn’t believe in? You don’t think that would be dishonest?
Look, if you just want to read good things about Marcus Mariota, Joe is sure there is an active Oregon Rivals message board to browse.
Joe writes about what interests Joe. He’s not going to con his readers. Been that way from Day One.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:38 pm
St Pete – Apparently you didn’t see my post from yesterday so I will re-post in an attempt to help you understand that there was no connection between what Winston shouted out in public and the accusation the girl made against him.
Pickgrin Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
Nobody has tried to explain the meme to me. From what was explained here his obscenity was in reaction to the charges. If that’s wrong feel free to correct me.
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StPete – what you are apparently NOT understanding is that the popular crude meme Winston shouted out had absolutely nothing to do with the sex accusation against him. Jameis wasn’t bragging about the incident nor referring to those allegations against him in any way when he yelled that out.
Was it a good decision considering the level of scrutiny a Heisman winning QB with a sex accusation pending against him is sure to undergo? Of course not. But there was no connection in Winston’s mind to the allegation in that moment. It was just an impulsive act on his part. He didn’t think before he did it that it wasn’t a smart decision – which I’m sure he painfully understands in retrospect after all the negative reaction to it. He’s 20 years old and has some growing up to do mentally and emotionally.
I’m pretty sure most people can think back to some bad decisions they made when they were that age.
Without the sexual allegations (which have been scrutinized 9 ways to Sunday legally and were found multiple times by multiple people to be completely without merit), would this “pattern” you speak of even exist? Would a BB gun war, video taping a 1 night stand, $27 dollars worth of crab legs and shouting a popular meme/obscenity in public over a 2 year period constitute a concerning “pattern” of bad behavior? I say while minorly concerning – none of that stuff is a big deal really and doesn’t in any way diminish what he has accomplished on the field and what he is likely to accomplish in the NFL. This young man will be a top 10 NFL QB quickly – mark my words.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:39 pm
Look, Joe loves Chris Landry, but that is either dishonest or lazy analysis.
Sad that a guy who coached at LSU wasn’t aware of this.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:53 pm
@Pickgrin
I have kept abreast of the Winston allegations and investigations thus far and I am unable to find any official describe them as “without merit”….I have seen “not enough evidence to prosecute) Please refer me to those quotes…..
I think Winston was perhaps done a diservice because of the poor investigation….he will be having to disown this the rest of his life.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:54 pm
@Pickgrin
Thanks for that explanation. Another poster had told me it was related to that incident. Listen I listen frequently enough to WFLZ…I can sing the words for you to Counting Stars, or the Kongos Come Go With Me…I spend far too much time on the internet.
I have not seen any meme or words that match f me in the p. If it’s a simple outburst with no other influence I accept your explanation. Thanks.
I posted earlier that I think a huge part of this divide is not racial, or even necessarily just over the bad judgement. Some of us still enjoy sportsmanship. I get that places me in the minority. Today is a crass and commercial age and people prefer the Johnny Football’s juvenile finger dollar sign or Jameis using the finger to his lips to shush the crowds after scoring.
Again I was raised to admire sportsmanship of the type displayed by Mariota and Luck. That’s probably what is driving the so called “Jameis Johnny Football” dislike among many who still admire class restraint and sportsmanship.
January 10th, 2015 at 12:07 am
Chris Landry is great to listen to but he’s absolutely wrong. Winston will be the better qb. I find it laughable that now we have people saying he is a late round pick. You lost all credibility at that point. He’s a franchise qb. If he had no issues he would be the 1 pick in any Draft this year or next. Period
January 10th, 2015 at 12:14 am
St Pete,
How does Jameis putting a finger to his lips relate to the “Money Manziel”?
The poor comparisons are out of control. Sh*t, Michael Jordon hushed a crowd….more than once.
Is Jameis blowing up Twitter? Is he Instagramming his underwear? Is he doing anything other than dealing with any and everything the media can throw at him?
Honestly….people are worried about how he might handle NFL pressure. How could it get any worse?
January 10th, 2015 at 1:09 am
If we draft winston we are instantly better at qb. If we draft mariotta we hope we will be better at qb. I am a notre dame fan I hate florida state but he is the superior talent and the only person who should be drafted number one overall. He isn’t a scheme qb he doesn’t have big talented receivers. He excelled with a less than stellar cast he has the it factor. He made an average team elite. As for the other things he has done off the field he has never been convicted of anything he was accused of rape from someone he already had sex with. And her lawyer tried to settle out of court for 7 million “COME ON MAN” He is a kid and you all act like he should be a saint. Eli the great manning was arrested in college he turned out alright and he was actually convicted of a crime.
January 10th, 2015 at 1:10 am
This guy is not the solution – he can’t even manage his own life, let alone a pro football team’s offensive leadership role.
January 10th, 2015 at 1:20 am
Berdj,
He lead his team to a 27-1 record. Yes, he was the team leader. He manged that role “in addition” to all the “off the field crap” people refer to.
27-1 is impressive on its own, add the fact that no other college player has “EVER” had to deal with similar accusations. Yet people question his ability to handle pressure or manage his life? Come on….this kid has handled more pressure than any college player ever has.
January 10th, 2015 at 1:35 am
@stpetebuc
There’s an article on gawker about John Cain that explains the meme. #FHRITP
January 10th, 2015 at 2:23 am
The debate has never been about his on-field talent.
EVERYTHING depends on whether Lovie thinks Winston is ready to take on this job seriously and keep his nose clean. It all comes down to the one on one interviews.
January 10th, 2015 at 3:30 am
I still get the feeling that Glennon will be our starting QB next year. Hopefully I’m wrong but you never know with Louvie.
January 10th, 2015 at 3:32 am
@Erik with clean athletics:
I like how you left out his take on Mariota. He is not sold on either QB being a 1st rounder and now we know that he likely is in the extreme minority.
January 10th, 2015 at 8:59 am
StPeteBuc says :”Jameis using the finger to his lips to shush the crowds after scoring.”
Buddy he shushed the Miami Hurricanes crowd AFTER the game. Last I checked the Hurricanes were a rival of FSU. Last I checked Winston has had to deal with all kinds of crap from opposing teams fans all season long. I’ve seen signs that read no means no in the stands.
Is he not allowed to fire back?
January 10th, 2015 at 9:28 am
@ bucbonnaizi great read well done
Why would the Bucs risk drafting Winston with a possible civil suit that Goodell may deem punishable by suspending him for 2-4 games. The Bucs started last with the offensive coordinator bolting.
January 10th, 2015 at 9:42 am
MTM ..I don’t think Goodell can suspend a player for a civil suit over something he did in college, do you?
January 10th, 2015 at 10:35 am
JAMEIS WATCH! NO THANKS!
January 10th, 2015 at 11:56 am
If the Bucs draft this clown Winston, I am switching teams
#MariotaorBUST
January 10th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
What’s “Rather Impressive” To me Joe is that you have conveniently chosen to omit nearly every negative scouting report or analysis of Jameis Winston. With a modest exception, for opinions expressing concern about his ‘high jinks’ off the field. How about some objective journalism to go along with all of the editorial articles, huh Joe?
http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/1/9/7520293/2015-nfl-draft-praise-and-harsh-critiques-for-jameis-winston-on-the
Tl;Dr
‘Veteran draft analyst’ Russ Lande, of GM Junior, poses the question- “Is Jameis Winston even Draftable?” Eyeing him as a “late round pick” and likening him to Jay Cutler. For they share two of the same qualities, Really good, Not great arm talent; and a tendency to hit defenders square in the numbers.
That scares me Joe, and it certainly doesn’t scream First overall pick.
January 10th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/
January 10th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
“He has questionable character better not draft him” ^^^^^^
January 11th, 2015 at 10:49 pm
The Bucs coaching staff can’t afford another losing season… Draft JW5 the guy we don’t have to teach to read defenses and throw into small
windows. Sure up the o-line and defense and let’s win some games..
Go BUCNATION