Jameis Watch: “He Has It All”
January 5th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Joe still finds it amusing that some of the top folks who make a living breaking down NFL talent believe Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston is the top cat in the draft. Yet, many Bucs fans refuse to believe.
Count helmet hair Mel Kiper as a believer.
While Joe isn’t a big fan of Kiper — Joe is starting to hate mock drafts like a case of the shingles — Joe does enjoy listening to Kiper break down talent on BSPN. He does his research.
In a recent “Championship Drive” podcast for the four-letter with Rece Davis, Kiper all but stated Winston is the next great NFL quarterback, the way he raved about the former national champion and Heisman Trophy-winner.
“Jameis didn’t have a spectacular year in terms of a touchdown-to-interception ratio, decision-making and accuracy in some games,” Kiper explained. “His consistency for four quarters was lacking. But the talent is evident. The ability to rally the troops, the ‘it’ factor, he has, in addition to all the obvious physical and athletic skills you need. He has it all.
“Last year I said after the season if he had been eligible for that draft, he would have gone No. 1 ahead of [Jadeveon] Clowney, hands down, lock, stock and barrel No. 1 overall player. And he was No. 1 going into this year. … [In 2014] he didn’t have Devonta Freeman, he didn’t have [Bryan] Stork on the offensive line, he didn’t have Kelvin Benjamin and Kenny Shaw. Those were key entities to that offense that had moved on.
“He should be an outstanding quarterback in the NFL. He has all the skills to do that. If he works hard — he’s a hard worker, there is no question. He has the ‘it’ factor. If he wants it, he will attain it. It is in his control.”
Kiper went on to say there is no way he can envision — barring a knucklehead move — that Winston lasts past the No. 5 pick.
What more can Joe add?
January 5th, 2015 at 2:09 pm
Quoting one of my favorite Presidents
January 5th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
Nothing more annoying than the “It Factor” Tebow allegedly had it. So did RGIII. So did Manziel….so what? Never hear the “It Factor” mentioned about Andrew Luck.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
LOL
Who is he supposed to resemble?
January 5th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
Quoting one of my favorite Presidents “There you go again”…..
Even on the day of the “poll”…..you put forward another pro Winston piece…..all of your efforts to influence will be in vain. Marcus will prevail with JBF readers.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:12 pm
Not paying attention to college football when he was at Stanford?
January 5th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
Joe….if your site didn’t cut me off in mid-post by forcing a reboot, I could finish my sentences,…..
January 5th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Bucrightoff
Luck has the “Beard Factor” which trumps the “IT Factor” in some cultures.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Mariota please. I feel he has a higher ceiling. (I’m not against Winston, I just like Mariota much much more.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Joe are you going to do an article about him potentially returning to FSU? If he does I’m not sure if you won’t blow a fuse, first Johnny now Jameis returning to school.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
Luck is a once in a decade talent. He doesn’t just have the “it”,…. he is the “it”.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
who cares he is a criminal will be in jail. Who do most of your readers want?
January 5th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
The “IT” factor won’t matter much if he stays in college Joe. He’s probably not coming out this year.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
He lost the it factor in the rose bowl
January 5th, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Kiper also said Russell Wilson would never be a successful QB in the NFL…So take his opinion with a grain of salt.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:19 pm
THERE YA GO PUSH THAT POLL RIGHT DOWN AS ANOTHER WINSTON ARTICLE GETS PUT ON TOP
THE GUY DIDN’T EVEN GRAB ANY BUTTA FOR THOSE CRAB LEGS WORTHLESS!
January 5th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
As a GM, what I wouldn’t like is that he is now focused on baseball. I want to know you’re laser focused and doing two sports leaves lingering questions. I don’t think you go wrong with either QB, but give me Marcus.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
@Joe
A little off topic, I feel like a lot of people are getting caught up in Mariota’s stats. Can you write an article comparing his stats to Darron Thomas’ stats? He also played in that Chip Kelly up tempo system prior to Mariota.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
Pretty much spot on.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
Joe has no desire to write any article about an arena league quarterback, sorry.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
#1bucfanjeff
I agree, that focus on baseball scares me too.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
Waterboy Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
@Joe
A little off topic, I feel like a lot of people are getting caught up in Mariota’s stats. Can you write an article comparing his stats to Darron Thomas’ stats? He also played in that Chip Kelly up tempo system prior to Mariota.
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While you’re at it, Joe, can you write an article comparing Winston’s stats to EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Chris Weinke and the other great QBs FSU has produced that have gone on to stellar pro careers?
January 5th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
Comparing the stats of 2 individuals that played in the same college system allows you to show that the system itself allows college players to look better than they really are because college defense have a tough time with the tempo and defending the run threat.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
Yes indeed – I’m not a Colts fan I’m a Luck fan meaning he’s his own team!
January 5th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
The knock on Mariota is he’s a system QB.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
He will drop in the 20’s. File this save it and when it happens you can show how wrong you were again Joe. Are you really riding the jock of Kiper of all people? My God what’s next ? I’ve never seen snything good about this guy from this site or any other except ESPN.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
I’m going to laugh so hard when Winston decides to stay in school another year (even though everyone at FSU would to get rid of him). He would be such a stupid choice to be the ‘face of our franchise’…. I can’t believe Joe would actually want him here. He’s gotta be stirring the pot, right?!?? Otherwise, I’m really starting to get concerned for Joe’s mental health….
January 5th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
lightningbuc Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
Waterboy Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
@Joe
A little off topic, I feel like a lot of people are getting caught up in Mariota’s stats. Can you write an article comparing his stats to Darron Thomas’ stats? He also played in that Chip Kelly up tempo system prior to Mariota.
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While you’re at it, Joe, can you write an article comparing Winston’s stats to EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, Chris Weinke and the other great QBs FSU has produced that have gone on to stellar pro careers?
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The difference between EJ and Jameis, is that Jameis took the same team that EJ had and made then a National Champion and destroyed teams. Jameis could do things EJ could just dream of doing. FSU would have had 2-4 losses this year without Jameis.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
Take Winston over Mariotta. We don’t need to see another QB crying if things don’t go his way.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:56 pm
@Waterboy
Pass YPG:
Mariota – 261.58
Thomas – 190.65
Rush YPG:
Mariota – 54.95
Thomas – 23.19
Pass TD PG:
Mariota – 2.58
Thomas – 2.13
Int PG:
Mariota – .33
Thomas – .55
Passer Rating:
Mariota – 172.4
Thomas – 154.1
QBR:
Mariota – 88.7
Thomas – 71.17
Comp%:
Mariota – 66.8%
Thomas – 61.3%
Not really close.
January 5th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
i heard he’s a raper?
does he like football?
January 5th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
rapper I mean!
a rapper with a rapist wit 🙂
January 5th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
Waterboy Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
#1bucfanjeff
I agree, that focus on baseball scares me too.
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Silly argument here. Wilson is a two sport athlete and was drafted by the same team as Winston, Texas Rangers. Wilson even goes down during spring training to do work with the Rangers. I don’t think it is a problem, yet. Wilson handles it fine, but Wilson is also way more mature than Winston is at this current stage.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Geesh!!!
Last year it was
JoeJohnnyFootballFan dot com
This year it is
JoeJameisFan dot com
May cannot get here soon enough
January 5th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Waterboy Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
The knock on Mariota is he’s a system QB.
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Not much of a knock.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
My biggest concern with Winston is throwing mechanics and his pocket presence, which we all saw during the Rose bowl. Also, his inability to read underneath coverages.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
Winston is the better pro prospect that is a opinion shared by most analysts. the question is his off the field behavior. As a bucs fan, I want the best PLAYER possible and that to me is Winston.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
I wonder how Mariota compares to Dennis Dixon. That guy was an early Heisman candidate, and I thought he too had talent. But got hurt, and didn’t have a career because of it. But I always thought Dixon could play.
Mariota prolly has him beat by a little, but given the system it’s probably close.
Either way, Mariota doesn’t represent the consistency, the surety or the stability that Winston would. He just doesn’t. People can throw tantrums about it all they want, but Mariota is a bigger risk (on the field…where, hello, it counts.).
January 5th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
Also, I’m getting really tired of people on here saying Winston is going to be in jail or in prison.
Where do you get off? You’re willing to condemn the kid based off of baseless and slanderous attacks on his character with little to no proof. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Calling him a rapist is WORSE and more egregious than calling Bill Clinton a rapist. There’s more evidence there than against Winston.
Please. For the love of all that is right and good in the world. Stop.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
Joe don’t you love the fools mocking you for listening to a guy who gets paid to watch football with views we can’t even access as fans. Sees Jameis throw pics on slants that the receiver stopped on streaks they cut back on. Happened all year. Let the losers think what they want if Winston averages 14 starts a year and maybe touches up his release he’s a hall of famer. He absolutely has the it factor
January 5th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
I see him falling….big time on draft day, after that Rose Bowl game. Damn that was ugly, that fumble was embarrassing, he’s been the brunt of all the jokes at the water hole.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
The difference between EJ and Jameis, is that Jameis took the same team that EJ had and made then a National Champion and destroyed teams.
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And the same can be said of Mariota and Thomas. Mariota took Thomas’ team and won a national championship too, and actually destroyed FSU.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
Best Player or Not…
If you are in the Training room injured,
or suspended for disciplinary action or whatever legal discretion,
You cannot win if you are not on the field.
The two QB’s are too close talent wise to take the chance on someone with the chance of off field antics or character concerns interfering with playing time.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Both QBs have on field concerns that need to be fixed, but what QB doesn’t coming out of college? So we won’t really know until maybe the combine or once they are playing.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
Are none of the Winston advocates concerned about his regression this year? Every stat is going in the wrong direction. He could be great, but I’d rather he fix his issues and show that 2013 is what he is, not 2014.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
He does have it all, including the turnovers!!!
January 5th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
Winston needs to work on his foot work, his throwing mechanics, his underneath coverage reading, pocket presence, and maturity.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
Mel Kiper also came out and said less than 3 months ago, there wasn’t a franchise quarterback in 2015 draft. Look it up. Kiper is a clown
January 5th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
lightningbuc Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
And the same can be said of Mariota and Thomas. Mariota took Thomas’ team and won a national championship too, and actually destroyed FSU.
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When did Mariota win a national championship? Thomas was the qb when they went and lost to Auburn in 2011.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Barring the fumble JW looked good in the game. I am not sure what you guys were seeing.
January 5th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
I appreciate the debate about the talents of both quarterbacks and the systems they play in and how that may translate to the NFL.
I also understand the defense of Winston’s off field incidents….they can be ignored by fans, players and even coaches….but they just simply won’t be ignored by the owners. There is enough risk with every draft pick and FA pickup but this isn’t just any usual transaction. This is the #1 overall pick…..The Glazers simply can’t and won’t take that risk.
Now…..can Mariota play the system that Winston played?….Maybe…maybe not
Now…..can Winston play the system the Mariota played?……..
January 5th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
I saw bad pocket presence and bad throwing mechanics.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
Or, how about Joe write about Brad Johnson winning a ring with the Bucs. You know, FSU QB?
January 5th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
With all due respect Nole fans you must be kidding!!! EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder and Chris Weinke are outstanding NFL players to you. No wonder you all climax everytime you hear Jameis name. FSU has hardly been a cradle of QB’s.
DB’s maybe…RB’s…great lineman but FSU is hardly known as QB U.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Nothing more annoying than the “It Factor” Tebow allegedly had it. So did RGIII. So did Manziel….so what?\
Agree completely Bucrightoff
The NFL is not college and rah rah. These are grown men who can see through rah rah pep talks and actual leadership…you know like not being a distraction to your entire team for REPEATED off field actions. There’s a real IT factor for you.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
This fictional ‘Joe’ character is sounding like an idiot alot lately.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
@Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
My biggest concern with Winston is throwing mechanics and his pocket presence, which we all saw during the Rose bowl. Also, his inability to read underneath coverages.
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I didn’t see the poor pocket presence that you’re referring to but I do agree that his mechanics can stand some improvement. I don’t like the way he pats the ball before throwing. I’ve played some db back in the days and we were taught to get ready to break on the ball anytime the qb does that pat. But Aaron Rodgers does it also so I guess if you’re accurate or have a quick release you can get away with it. Mariota in my opinion lacks pocket presence in watching him play I rarely if ever seen him step up into the pocket and make throws. He either takes a step back and tries to rollout to pass or he’s running that read option which already has him in a half roll while he’s faking to the rb.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
For Winston’s pocket presence he doesn’t seem to sense when a player is around him or he does so to late. Also, besides the patting of the ball, he stares at his receivers to much. And he has a windup of a throw. I blame that on baseball, but can be fixed.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
I just hope we grab him or mariota. I’ll live with either one of them. If they trade down it better be for the mother lode or your going to have an irate fan base. See Roy Cummings idea – 2nd 3rd nick foles for bucs pick!!! Moving from 20 to 1??
January 5th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
The QB with the greatest ‘it’ factor of the past 10 years, Tim Tebow, isn’t even in the league any more. I don’t think Winston makes it past his rookie contract. Too many red flags on and off the field.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
@Waterboy
You should also then look at all of the LSU QB’s who played under Fisher who I believe somewhat recently was drafted 1st overall. That should not matter is the point and sticking up for Brad Johnson as a Super Winning QB probably didn’t realize he was a backup at FSU with like 1,500 total yards for his career.
It does not matter where you played or usually for whom they used to say that Tedford QB’s were system QB’s and players: Rodgers, D jack, and M Lynch and Forsett are a few that have done pretty well.
January 5th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
@Patrickbuc
If you’re referring to JaMarcus Russell his stats aren’t even close to Winston’s. He never had a 40 td season not even in his JR year which was his best season. Not to mention Winston has 467 pass attempts which is a whole lot more than Russell and most college QB’s in recent history.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
Joe
I sent you this and it wasn’t posted. Could’ve been the problems you had last week.
Here it is. STOP with the ” crab leg stealing..etc” intro to the Winston articles. I get it and it’s very annoying. I’d bet others feel the same way. Again, STOP! We get it!
January 5th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
As Forrest Gump might say….both of these Q.B.’s clearly have talent. There is a good chance both of them will have decent if not stellar NFL careers.
Constantly referring to Jameis off field handicaps do not make Mariota a better QB…constantly referring to Mariota as a run first “system” QB, besides being false have nothing to do with Jameis.
Yes their styles are somewhat different. One has a stronger arm, one is faster and more elusive but they are BOTH talented on the field.
And so answer me this. If you could pick either QB in their absolute prime who would you take…Roethlisberger or Rodgers. Both great QB’s with SB’s on their resume but two totally different QB’s.
If you like Ben then go with Jameis…if like me you prefer Rodgers then go with Marcus.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Joe, I stopped reading these, as is my option as you’d be quick to point out.
It’s your ad revenue, feel free to write what you want. But given that 75% of your readership doesn’t want this guy, and twice as many want the other guy, you may want to rethink such a tunnel vision approach.
January 5th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
Get Winston and Rashard greene for tampas slot……….
January 5th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
So Joe should write about what he doesn’t believe in? That’s awfully hypocritical and dishonest to readers, no?
What else should Joe write about that he doesn’t believe in and dishonest to readers, how the Bucs just completed a “great” season?
January 5th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
The statement that there is no Andrew Luck in this years draft needs to stop. Andrew has not won a super bowl. Stop crowning him before he has done it. Russell Wilson will win his second before Luck. The Bucs have to pick a QB in the draft period.
January 5th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Stats are useless in this debate. You can’t compare stats for qbs in two wildly different offensive systems. Case in point was that rose bowl where the stats looked similar, but one qb threw nfl-style routes and the other threw endless screens.
Of these two qbs it’s really an ‘arm vs legs’ debate. Since we’re looking for a QB, I’ll take the guy with the arm.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
Kiper is also the one who fought, literally fought verbally with Jon Gruden on draft day saying that Russell Wilson was a bust and would never be a great NFL quarterback. Literally they fought on tv about the pick with Jon claiming he was like the best QB of that draft.
He has said many things that turned out wrong, not that a guy can’t make a few mistakes but it just shows he can be really wrong about QB’s.
Here is another fun Kiper draft call that turned out amazing: “Three years from now you could certainly be looking at a guy who is certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league . . . Nobody has an arm like JaMarcus Russell. Obviously, he’ll need a little time. But you’re talking about a 2-3-year period. Once he’s under center, look out, because the skill level he has is certainly John Elway-like.”
Mel Kiper on QB Ryan Leaf: “His attitude will be an asset in the NFL and give him a mental advantage over [other players in his draft class].”
Mel on QBJimmy Clausen: “If [Clausen is] not a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, I’m done. That’s it. I’m out.”
Mel on QB Akili: “Akili Smith will be a great NFL player and would finally provide the Cincinnati Bengals with the passer they’d lacked since Boomer Esiason.”
Mel on QB David Carr of the Texans: “You look at that No. 8 (Carr’s jersey number), you look at Troy Aikman and what he meant to Jimmy Johnson and the Dallas Cowboys. That foundation, that building block that you go and you build around and you get the supporting cast and the rest is history.”
Mel on QB Joey Harrington: “Harrington, who has a Brett Favre-like flair for the dramatic, was a highly productive quarterback and one I had rated only slightly behind Carr.”
My only point is that Mel has been wrong so many times about QB’s that you can’t just take his thoughts as gospel as with anyone out there.
January 5th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
@Joe nobody wants you to be disingenuous, that’s why we love ya, but come on… you have a *dedicated* feature to this guy and most fans don’t want him. Has even one of these articles been negative towards him?
And yet earlier today when it came to Mariota, you posted an opinion insinuating Tampa may be too far away from home for him, only based on a video where he praised his high school.
I’d rather see more of the pros and cons of both players, instead of just a one-sided pitch. (Not to be harsh but the hard sell wastes my time and that’s why I would skip reading those.)
January 5th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Joe don’t listen to these armchair gms. They are scrubs and will have to come up with excuses when Mariota busts. Love your opinions. Winston is the future. I just hope he declares. Love them comparing him to other fsu qbs by the way. 100% shows they don’t watch him play. Here’s a thought…go away if you don’t like Joe’s articles!!! Nobody us forcing you to click that button.
January 5th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
People compare him to other FSU QBs because people compare other Oregon QBs to Mariota. Neither is right, but it continues to happen.
January 5th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
People comparing the “it factor” between Tebow and Winston, I have one word, huh? Tebow was and is not a talented NFL QB, he can’t throw. On that note, Jameis is doomed because Mel likes him, worst evaluator ever. But I believe Jameis can overcome Mel, like he has all season. And I really don’t even like FSU.
January 5th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
Quoting one of my favorite Presidents “There you go again”…..
You do realize that one of your favorite president was senile when he made the statements you placed in quotes?
January 5th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
If the Bucs do not pick Mariota, it is going to be a big mistake! Mariota is the one with the “it” factor, Winston has “bust” written all over him. What if we had picked last years questionable QB, Manziel? Would Joe still want Winston? Mariota is going to be a star in the NFL, and the Bucs are going to have their most exciting offense ever, and Joe will be eating crow on this one.
January 5th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
When he said, he looked forward to baseball….. Red Flag…..
January 5th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Here 2014 MM highlight.
http://youtu.be/_M0xfn5u6L0
January 5th, 2015 at 10:33 pm
@2002
Great research I was going to bring up..
Mel on QBJimmy Clausen: “If [Clausen is] not a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, I’m done. That’s it. I’m out.”
He’s doing well:) I can’t wait for the combines to start and watch when the evaluators say. Who knows maybe Winston is better at baseball and wants to go that route? Way to early for this daily talk, remover Bridgewater was a top 3 pick until the combine started.
Also pretty sure Fisher was Russel’s coordinator, point was it doesn’t matter you can’t compare guys.
January 5th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
JaMarcus Winston = Ryan Leaf
January 5th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
Joe Says:
January 5th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
It’s your ad revenue, feel free to write what you want. But given that 75% of your readership doesn’t want this guy, and twice as many want the other guy, you may want to rethink such a tunnel vision approach.
So Joe should write about what he doesn’t believe in? That’s awfully hypocritical and dishonest to readers, no?
What else should Joe write about that he doesn’t believe in and dishonest to readers, how the Bucs just completed a “great” season?
The poster that Joe is referencing in his response that poster is speaking to someone else’s character!
January 5th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Yes Winston has all the skills to be an NFL prospect . So Tampa Bay drafts him and we win the NFC south , the night before his first play off game he gets arrested. How do you trust his past that it’s behind him? Let’s all remember this pick will need Glazier approval, in fact this maybe there pic. Most owners sign off on 1st overall picks.
January 5th, 2015 at 11:37 pm
This article basically says he needs great players around him to succeed.
January 5th, 2015 at 11:51 pm
Former Bucs QB Sean “Burger” King says he has an inside source that told him Jameis is staying in school next year. Not sure how reliable that is but it is out there.
January 6th, 2015 at 12:01 am
he should stay in baseball! we don’t want him!!!!!!!!
January 6th, 2015 at 12:23 am
Breaking News!!!
JBF readers select Mariota over Winston by a 2-1 margin!!!
January 6th, 2015 at 12:28 am
Amazing how people laser in on all the fault that Winston has (most are made up) but refuse to see all the faults that Mariota has (most of those have been pointed out by many scouts). I guess people see what they want to see. Winston has some negatives, no doubt about it, but he also has skills that Mariota does not (yet) have. There is no guarantee that either will be a star but I wish people would state what they can actually see instead of making stuff up. Then again, maybe some of you CAN’T tell the difference between a ready made QB and a project.
Winston has a lot of skill that needs a little coaching and maybe a little babysitting. Mariota has skill with a lot of upside and no babysitting but he will need a lot of coaching. Hard to see how anyone cannot see that.
January 6th, 2015 at 8:16 am
We should draft Jameis Winston with our number one pick. He is the best player in the draft.
January 6th, 2015 at 9:22 am
What Phil just said,period….
January 6th, 2015 at 9:45 am
Joe is not alone. Ian Beckles is saying Mariota will not make it and Justin Palawski wants Winston. Both guys are saying Mariota is a system QB! You guys are just seeing what you want to see. Winston was the only guy playing QB in the Rose Bowl. Mariota was throwing screen passes at the line of scrimmage and taking off and running if his one target was not open. The guy has never even taken a snap under center. Grading him out as a pro is impossible. He is a great college QB for the system Oregon runs but saying stuff like “he is hands down the better pro prospect is absurd.” I would say the chance of him being a successful QB in a Lovie Smith offense is extremely remote.
January 6th, 2015 at 11:20 am
Amazing how some Bucs fans on here are so negative simply because Jameis is a QB for Florida State. Our one super bowl victory was led by Florida State Quarterback Brad Johnson. The NFL defensive MVP that year was Florida State LB Derrick Brooks and the Super Bowl MVP was Florida State Safety Dexter Jackson.
This guy is the best prospect since Andrew Luck. He has lost one game in his two year career as QB and has all the physical tools along with accuracy and hard work you can not teach.
If he declares this is not even a debate amongst GM’s.
Here is a quote from an NFL scout per nfl.com:
‘the tape suggests that he remains the crown jewel of the class based on his on-field performance’
January 6th, 2015 at 11:32 am
First, it makes NO difference who the QB1 is until the HC is changed. Lovie is a ZERO at picking OC’s and honestly was totally unimpressive with his renowned defense in 2014. So, whatever QB is chosen makes no difference until Team Glazer gets a real HC to lead the Bucs.
Second, if you think the Rapist Winston is the total package, imagine his second or third season and we are all so very excited as the Bucs are 5-1 in the 2017 season…..then the Rapist Winston gets caught having his way with Joe’s daughter (neice) and he endes up like Greg Hardy on the NFL Commish’s Exempt List being paid by the Bucs while not playing!!
The Buc’s need a coach more than a QB and they need a QB badly!!! Trade the number 1 pick for Chip Kelly and forget about needing a QB!! The kind of coaches like Chip Kelly, Chuck Pagano, or Bruce Ariens should be a priority just one little step before picking that franchise QB! YES, I agree the Bucs need a franchise QB, but Trestman ain’t it…and Lovie ain’t it.
Why waste the pick on a QB until the Bucs find a coach??
Greg Schiano
January 6th, 2015 at 11:36 am
Has nothing to do with FSU! All FSU did was let this young man get away with rape, theft, and break nearly every rule the NCAA and FSU states they are in favor of.
I honestly despise the Tallahassee Police and the Special Prosecutor more than FSU.
Please write it down….Winston will not make it three (3) seasons before the NFL Commish gives him a 16 game suspension (paid on the exempt list) while his court case for rape goes forward.
If you are going to invest in a First Round Draft Pick, get someone who will not be suspended. I guarantee you the NFL Commish will not play like FSU and TPD did with this criminal!!!
January 6th, 2015 at 6:41 pm
To quote, Joe, “… Kiper all but stated Winston is the next great NFL quarterback”. All BUT stated. there is a reason he did NOT state it. It would not be true. Kiper doesn’t want to get caught talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Part of interview with Mel Kiper Jr. By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com
{ There are no franchise quarterbacks in the coming NFL draft, according to ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr.—
Kiper stressed the importance of patience, saying the teams that draft Mariota and Winston would be wise to bring them along slowly, a la Aaron Rodgers with the Green Bay Packers.—
“There is really no franchise quarterback in this draft, even though Mariota could go No. 1,” Kiper said. “He’s not Andrew Luck. He’s not in that elite of elite category. Could he be really good? If you’re patient with him, if you wait and let him evolve, and we don’t write him off as a bust early on, then you’re fine.” }
Sounds to me as though he likes Mariotta more than Winston, but doesn’t believe that even he will be an ‘elite’ QB in the NFL.
January 6th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
Here is a view on Winston:
Charlie Campbell now with Walterfootball.com also has Winston rated as the top quarterback in the draft saying, “As a prospect from a pure football perspective and ignoring the off-the-field issues, Winston is elite and in Andrew Luck’s ballpark as a quarterback prospect. Winston is a potential franchise quarterback who can lead his team to championships. Numerous sources from multiple teams agree that Winston is just a little bit behind Luck, but is a better prospect than Cam Newton, Sam Bradford or Matthew Stafford were when they came out and went No. 1 overall. The off-the-field issues are the things that could derail Winston from reaching his potential. However, one can be sure that some team is going to look past the off-the-field issues and take Winston early in the 2015 NFL Draft.”