Jameis Watch: Brad Johnson Speaks
January 24th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
One commonly expressed upside to drafting Jameis Winston is that he’s “NFL Ready” because he’s excelled in an NFL-style offense.
Is that just a bunch of overrated fluff?
Bucs Super Bowl winning quarterback Brad Johnson says NFL Ready “means a lot,” so he told Steve Duemig on WDAE-AM 620 this week.
Johnson emphasized the decision-making required of Winston in college, versus other quarterbacks who have coaches limit and control reads and checks, is valuable for evaluation and experience.
“Extremely bright kid. Extremely football smart kid. Is able to make checks and audibles at the line of scrimmage and has a big time arm,” Johnson said of Winston. “But there’s a big time adjustment regardless of who you are coming in.
“The speed of the game? You’ll catch up to that, but just to be able to do it weekly and consistently, that’s the next step. If you go to Marcus Mariota, that’s a kid that’s been in the shotgun the whole time and how does he adjust? So those are things they’ll evaluate, and we’ll see how their careers come out.”
You can enjoy all of Johnson’s audio below. He dives into how impressed he is by Winston’s competitiveness and leadership, and ability to balance his baseball career, but Johnson also acknowledges Winston’s off-field red flags.
Johnson said he thinks those only would be a concern in the offseason, as an NFL QBs schedule is extraordinarily busy and structured.
For the sensitive types, Johnson admitted that with the Super Bowl upcoming, “I do get choked up” thinking about details of the Bucs’ lone experience.
January 24th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Oh….that awful off-season…..when you don’t want to see any articles about your players…..
Listen….I’m an older guy…..may not see another Buc Superbowl in my lifetime…but I can wait patiently while we develop a francise QB…..the thought of worrying during the long off season about a number one pick is unsettling to me.
I can do it, but don’t want to.
Somehow, I think the Glazers feel the same way.
January 24th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/24/jameis-winston-s-rape-accuser-tells-all-in-sundance-documentary-the-hunting-ground.html#
January 24th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
What college did Brad go to?
January 24th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
Which college did Brad Johnson go to ?……..if you know what I mean
January 24th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Thanks for that article link Mr. P. I don’t want our very own Rspelisberger.
January 24th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Officer Scott Angulo handled Kinsman’s case—or mishandled it, if Kinsman’s attorneys are to be believed. Angulo was a Florida State graduate who did private security work for the Seminole Boosters, a major fundraising arm of Florida State athletics. In the wake of her rape accusation, he failed to obtain a DNA sample from Winston, failed to interview him, failed to question the cab driver, failed to demand video footage from the 30 cameras inside Potbelly’s, and failed to question Seminoles defensive end Chris Casher, Winston’s roommate/teammate who allegedly tried to tell him to stop raping Kinsman. According to Kinsman, the Tallahassee Police Department did nothing for 10 months. Meanwhile, she was constantly being re-victimized by her FSU classmates.
Yup………got it right there. He’s innocent.
January 24th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Hey Joe,
Enough with the black “Darth Vader” hijacking of my computer screen every time I try to read an article. I know you have to pay the bills, but already there are more advertising banners on our site, than content. This doom of darkness is over the top.
January 24th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
*Rapelisberger
January 24th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
After you read the article ^^ then Google “The Hunting Ground”
January 24th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
Patrick, the account given by Kinsman is a direct contradiction to testimony that she herself has given on multiple accounts. She’s a money grubbing, cleat chasing, POS that’s still just looking to get paid off of chasing around athletes.
January 24th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
@ Cream
Maybe after being raped she feels like she deserves it
January 24th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
IMO…after Jameis signs a contract all sorts of other suits will be filed….Clameis will always be in the news for off field issues
January 24th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
I don’t know what to think, her changing her story seems like she could be lying, covering evidence by investigators seems like they were covering for him. Classic case of he say she say. I don’t know the way that Lovie cut heads last year and he received the Glazers blessing to do so has me questioning if the Bucs would take a chance on Winston. I feel bad for the young man if he did not do it (and obviously bad for her if he did), but unfortunately this is something that will hang over him for the rest of his career and POTENTIALLY over which ever franchise drafts him. This movie coming out on CNN and later in theatres is not a good look for him during such a crucial evaluation period for prospects. In a guessing game where such a serious allegation has been flung, I honestly do not think Lovie, Licht and the Glazers take a shot on the guy.
January 24th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
IF you had video evidence that would exhonerate you…………….then it would never get “lost”
January 24th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Bummer BJ’s phone connection was crap. I enjoyed what I could hear of his interview though, glad he and his fam seem to be doing well.
Still want Mariota.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:03 pm
Patrick
This is the actual video of what happened that night? I thought the vid was destroyed? This is very disturbing. Viewer discretion advised.
Hunting grounds – http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1b1KW8rHjWI
January 24th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Lol. “Raped” – I didn’t realize that was the term given for an athlete banging a chick and not wanting to talk to her again so she gets upset and cries wolf. Classic victim of the talking heads. I bet yall watch E news also and read tabloids. Morons. Can’t wait until winston leads us to the promisd land. I’ll take our Big Ben all day. All mutha fricken daaaaay.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
@DB55 LOL! That’s from a video game. Try again and you come up with more info on the actual documentary
January 24th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
@ Love
Did you actually read the article or was that just another snide FSU comment?
January 24th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Patrick
I thought he looked bigger and lighter than usual.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
BB gun battle boyish prank……$7,000 damage…..willful destruction is more accurate
January 24th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Sounds to me like the girl got drunk, cheated on her boyfriend, then tried to cover it up so she didn’t look bad.
She states that she had “5 or so drinks” with her friends at the bar ((which is probably lower then the actual number) because I know that I always tell the cops I only had 2), then a man gave her a shot, then she started to feel “dizzy”. So she had AT LEAST 6 drinks then left the bar with some guys. She implies that she was drugged, but the toxicology report shows 0 drugs in her system. She was also still at a .045 BAC, which isn’t high, but this was taken 6 hours after her last drink (shot). On top of all of that, she changed her story like 3 different times.
After reading a lot of information, pro and con, I see why 3 different entities did investigations and none of them wanted to pursue charges.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
As recently as this morning I’m still finding 3 out 4 national draft projections having the Bucs taking Mariota. Obviously after combines and personal workout and interviews things can change. This site is obviously loaded with a bias view in favor of Winston for all the obvious reasons. But ask yourself this everyone. If you were the owner of a business and you had two choices of men who you could hire to run your company for you and both were pretty equally qualified to do the job, but one of them could be a potential liability in the workplace because of documented history you have uncovered. Who would you as the business owner be more comfortable handing over a large sign on bonus and multiple year contract? It’s ok, you can answer the question because everyone who applies common sense already knows the answer too. The Glazers have the final say and the will take the advice of father Dungy and we all will move on.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Mr Patrick
the only person that should be charged is the lying accuser who has changed her story what is 3 or 4 times now. Perjury is a crime and she should be charged. You can’t defend her own statements which contradict each other. In addtion, her attorney has about as much credibility lady gaga defending her. Do a little research on the attorney. Hate the dude all you want but man it does not take a rocket science to figure out what’s going on with the accuser. Money grab.
Save my team! Draft Jameis! Trade Lovie to ISIS
January 24th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Merely being associated with so many incidents is enough to cross him off the list of 1st overall options…
January 24th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
The Bucs get rid of turds. They don’t draft them
January 24th, 2015 at 1:29 pm
Is this the same girl who initially said she was knocked unconscious by a blow to her head and had no idea how she got to his apartment?
Or was too drunk to remember.
Or voluntarily got in the cab to go there.
Or who did or did not get a text from jameis to go there?
Or who refused to give the name of her boyfriend to the police who she had also had
recently had sex with?
Whose family member said she would never have sex with a black man?
Who was a member of a cleats club who wished to date fsufootball players?
Who lied and said the rape counselor said winston was accused of raping another girl. Which was disproved.
The one who initially did not want to press charges before she found out the guy was jameis winston?
The one that the supreme court justice did not believe?
The one who voluntarily went with three guys to an apartment from a club, went with one back to his bedroom alone, and expects people tio believe she did not want to have sex?
January 24th, 2015 at 1:35 pm
@ chris K
Absolutely…..you are looking at this through the eyes of the owners…..many fans don’t care about potential character issues because the consequences don’t cost them….
With any hiring decision….and make no mistake….this IS a hiring decision….it’s all about avoiding risk.
Now the same goes for risk regarding Mariota’s potential ie “NFL ready”….but that is a totally different kind of risk.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
You FSU people make the rest of us all do a facepalm. You wouldn’t care if Winston was Charles Manson or Jack The Ripper you would still want him here just because he came from your school. Well I’ve got a fact for you – The Glazers did not go to FSU
January 24th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
@ Eric
You forgot…..”she moaned”……
January 24th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
I didn’t go to FSU, nor am I an FSU fan, I’m a Michigan fan…
Seems like all you Winston haters just blindly ignore facts and assume guilt to someone who was never charged with anything due to the FACTS of the case.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:45 pm
Eric…I hope you have a daughter one day
January 24th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
Just heard interview this morning from WalterFootball and they say that their sources say Bucs will draft Winston. Those that want to jump ship, find your team now so we don’t have to read about your whining. Winston is the better QB and its not close.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
On top of all of Jameis’s character issues……
On the field
Long wind up
sidearm 3/4 delivery
17 bone head INT’s
FSU gave him the bums rush
January 24th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
This is not about Jameis guilt or innocence!!! He has not been charged and so he is “innocent” until proven guilty. That’s how our society works.
But it’s just as disgusting for posters here who have NO intimate knowledge of that evening to call the woman a “cleat chasing POS” as it is for posters calling Jameis a “rapist” or “thug”.
Bottom line. Stop litigating this case. It’s over and guilt or innocence is no longer the real question. The real question is judgement!
One side believes Jameis is a terribly immature 21 year old and made some juvenile mistakes in judgement and he deserves ANOTHER chance. Others believe the red flags are too prominent and wish to pass on Jameis. And yet another side believes that the risk for Jameis or Marcus is too great and wish to either trade down or take the BPA with the #1 pick.
ALL THREE of those views are plausible and respectable. But the emotion generated by this debate is just not needed.
It’s just business!!! Risk versus reward! What is so freaking hard to understand here? We don’t need to call Jameis nor the young lady names. We don’t need to call each other names.
This topic has been a dead horse for the past two weeks but Joe needs clicks, it’s the off season, and just check the number of comments on the “Jameis threads” versus the others. Joe is simply behaving in a professional manner. If he wants to provide the most interesting news to Buc fans the number of comments on Jameis threads reveal he has been doing his job properly.
There is no right or wrong answer. And again if some of you could simply open your minds you might understand that all three could be the right answer. It’s very possible that Jameis and Marcus go on to stellar careers and the Bucs trade down and end up building a SB team for whichever way they wish to go at QB.
Stop acting like emotional wussies. It’s just business…risk versus reward..and a difference of opinions on where to make the investment.
Personally I’d be more comfortable with trading down and piling up as many picks as possible. Having said that if we do decide to draft a QB I’m comfortable with giving Jameis his 5th..6th? I’ve lost count…chance.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
Whether Jameis raped her or not, as soon as he signs his contract, I think he’ll get a lawsuit filed against him…. For this reason alone, the Bucs will NEVER draft him. Get over it, Joe. Start posting articles on our new superstar QB, Mariota.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
Luther Charely Campbell/Walter FB….did NOT say “their sources say Bucs will draft Winston.”….he said the Bucs had him ranked first…”at this TIME”…
January 24th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
Listen….I have no idea whether or not a rape occurred……perhaps not….or absolutely not…..but that’s not the point…..there are many other elements of Winston’s behavior that cause concern….and you just can’t simply ignore them…..you can minimize them & they may be not enough to cause you to pass on him….but we have a choice of QBs…..tanked the last game to be sure of a choice….and when you have a choice….it makes the decision making process much different.
I am sure Winston will be put to the test and he will have a background check that has few matches in NFL draft history…..they will be talking to his grammar school bus drivers….his elementary school girlfriends…..you name it…..and if we make the decision to draft him, I will give him my total support.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
JoeJoes…listen again. He and others have said that Winston will be the guy if everything checks out. Campbell is not the only person with sources and it’s pretty clear that if Winston checks out that he “should” be the pick.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
“Stop litigating this case.”
Nobody is litigating the case. You know how I know that? Because litigation would involve a courtroom, a courtroom involves a case, and a case involves a charge. Jameis was never charged because there was not enough evidence to even do that. No charge = no litigation.
January 24th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
THe Bucs front office and Lovie have pulled some bone head moves….however they certainly will not give any real indication of who they are likely to take in order to keep all possible interested parties guessing…there will be plenty of “inside” stories about QB’s ,DE’s ,LT’s as well as “possible trading partners…..book it !
January 24th, 2015 at 2:00 pm
When we draft him, I would hope everybody gives him their support.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:04 pm
I hope you guys dont have a son; who some on here would send to prison based on testimony that is all over the lot.
Or maybe that might happen to you.
I mean I know the lizard fans hate Winston for kicking their asses and making their program look like crap.
But c, mon. Its only a game people. No need to try and destroy a kid you dont know and has been cleared three times.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:09 pm
Football trumps justice hands down.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
The kid destroyed himself…..and Winston did not destroy the UF program…..it has been in a mess all on it’s own…many lesser programs where kick’n Gator tail…..for the record I’m UM
January 24th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
There is no way the Bucs have made their choice yet…..and if they have….they sure as hell wouldn’t indicate what it was….they will keep all other teams….and the candidates in the dark until the very last minute……and that also includes us!!!
January 24th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
All anyone that is antiWinston just says to people “oh you FSU lovers are blind and would defend him no matter what”. But they never actually address the fact that this girl had changed her story 4 to 5 times. So instead of just degrading the other posters view just give facts to prove your point. In fact by posting this documentary it almost gives her zero credibility as this is the 5th version of her side. It is hard to take anyone seriously when they change their story so often. Also I do have a girl and am A FSU fan and I waited for all the facts to come out before making my judgement. I mean you people are convicting a man who had never even been charged with this crime. I mean this could be anyone of us and just take a step back and imagine if this was you or your son. How would you feel?
January 24th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Luther I would not put to much stock into what campbell has to say as he had info that the Bucs wanted Manziel and mocked it that way through out the whole process.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
I CALL BS ON THAT ARTICLE!
January 24th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
http://www.thedailybeas.com/articles/2015/01/24/jameis-winston-s-rape-accuser-tells-all-in-sundance-documentary-the-hunting-ground.html#
^^^^^^ BS Article!!!
January 24th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
No comparison between Johnny Playground and Jameis Winston. Also, the Bucs don’t have to deceive anyone, they have the 1st pick.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Last year the Bucs could have had Johnny “Boy” Manziel but Lovie stayed away from him (in spite of Joe’s love for the guy) perhaps for reasons unknown, maybe because of all the red-flags surrounding him on AND off-the-field.
Fast forward to this year and the choice between each of the top 2 QBs available isn’t quite so clear. Do the Bucs take ‘Choir Boy’ Mariota who’s red-flags are ON-the-field, or ‘Innocent-til-proven-quilty’ Winston, who’s red-flags are OFF-the-field?
Neither has red flags on AND off the field, which therefore presents a very interesting perspective into the mindset of the Glazer family, team management and even the fan base perhaps more now that ever before. I’ve been a Bucs avid fan and supporter since the day the NFL anointed the city with an NFL team and honestly don’t remember an upcoming draft that challenged the heart everyone more than this one. The debates and perspectives are as varied as ever and Joe has done a masterful job of bringing out the best and worst of us all.
Very passionate opinions vary from choosing between “win at all costs and the hell with anything else”, vs. “I just want to be able to sleep peacefully when I put my head down on the pillow at night”. It’s like choosing between Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader, the Dark vs. the Light, or Good vs. Bad, God or atheism. Or, with those without enough conviction either way, why not trade down and get more picks?
This will be a draft to remember, regardless of what comes out of the Commish’s mouth as he walks to the podium and says, “With the first pick, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers……”
Can’t wait to hear the rest of that sentence!
January 24th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
Neither Jameis or Marcus are worthy of the 1st pick,measured as high perecentage going to turn out as imagined….a GM with balls and multi year vision would recognize the team has too many holes to fill and not ready for a 1st over all qB…trade down twice if they can and build a foundation
January 24th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
@Adown
Nobody is litigating the case.
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough so let me help explain.
metaphor-a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”.
I assumed people recognized that. But everybody knows what assume means. LOL Apologies for any confusion.
Not only do I stand by that statement I could easily add that many here who are concerned about the potential lawsuits are worried about…and again I use that same metaphor contained in the cliche…litigated in the court of public opinion.
If I thought people didn’t recognize the metaphor I could have been clearer with “litigated in the court of JBF.”
January 24th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
@Eric
I hope you guys dont have a son; who some on here would send to prison based on testimony that is all over the lot.
Agree 100% Feel just as strongly though that I hope the guys here don’t have a daughter who is raped and called a cleat chasing POS. Nobody knows what happened that night. It’s time to move on.
BTW in a stat that should concern all of us sportsfans 18% of the campus rapes are done by athletes. I seriously doubt that 18% of college students are athletes…a lot closer to 1%. What up with that. THIS IS NOT TO IMPLY JAMEIS WAS GUILTY. Just an observation.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:45 pm
@JoeJoe
“for the record I’m UM” For the record I am not. 😉
Having said that however I really, really want us to draft Perryman. I think he is the sleeper in this draft. I think he can make the same impact on our D as Kuechly did for the stinking Panthers.
I like that he’s too short. He a motivated madman because of that talk. He could be the next London Fletcher another linebacker who was too short at 5-10 and that’s being generous.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
And you should be able to see that I am just picking apart anything I can find in your statements to make it fit my argument… Relevant to what YOU were implying or not.
January 24th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Well this latest documentary tells me she isn’t going to file civil charges against Winston. No lawyer in his right mind would allow her to go public like that.
Im sure they paid her for this so she got some cash anyway. Which is all this has ever been about anyway.
January 24th, 2015 at 3:00 pm
@Adown
Point taken.
@Calbucsfan
Thanks for a well thought out and reasoned post!!!
January 24th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
Im not saying that there is a comparison skill wise between the two but it is way to early in the process to say that he has the exact answer as to who they are drafting, and yea even though you have the number one pick , u still do not tip your hand. Did the Texans come out and say they were drafting Clowney # 1 at any time during the draft process? There were people coming out saying they heard they wanted Bortles, some said Mack others Manziel. This is what Campbell did last year with Manziel and we see how that worked out. Just because you want a player so badly do not read into everything you see or hear. Take everything with a grain of salt, that is why it is called a process , way to much work involved and to big of an investment into a #1 pick for a staff to immediately say they are drafting said player.
January 24th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
If someone accused the normal person of rape and had DNA it would go to trial. Even if he was found not guilty. So that leads me to believe there was some shady things going on. I think everyone one could agree with that even if your stubborn and ignore all his character issues
January 24th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
Joe harped on ad nauseum about Manziel and how he would be the bucs saviour. This Jameis watch is too biased and imbalanced towards winston. Get a new angle this is getting tired
January 24th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
@CalBucsFan
I was with you at the beginning…..hearing “With the first selection of the NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select….Leroy Selmon”
Even though we lost every game that year and many in the next, I slept very well.
Leroy went to the Hall….
This…for me is the most exciting off-season……not including the off-season prior to our first game in 76….
January 24th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
Some of the comments on here are absolutely idiotic. Joe never made a claim that he is unbiased. He’s a Bucs fan and writes about whatever he wants, and if that is Jameis Winston in pewter and red, then quit complaining or become a jags or fish fan
January 24th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
She wants no part of being cross examined. She will get caught in her multiple versions of the night, which contradict her own witnesses (whose versions have never wavered once)
I’m even more sure that she will never sue Jameis than I am of him coming to Tampa.
January 24th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
“If someone accused the normal person of rape and had DNA it would go to trial.”
not true.
January 24th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
“Nybucsfan Says:
January 24th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
If someone accused the normal person of rape and had DNA it would go to trial.”
Hey, guess what? DNA exists is consensual sex too.
And don’t forget, there’s TWO sets of DNA. One of Winstons and one of her own boyfriend. He plays football for a school in Ohio (He’s black and played QB at her high school, total coincidence, I’m sure)
She refused to identify him and HE REFUSED to cooperate with the investigation without a subpoena.
So, tell me, Nybucsfan, how many boyfriends do you know that refuse to cooperate when their girlfriend claims to have been raped?
I’ll hang up and listen to you answer.
January 24th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
DNA isn’t evidence. She doesn’t have rights? I know a case where a guy was in the same place a girl six years prior in went to trial for rape. With no DNA just her word and being able to prove there where at the same place at the same time. So yea I think DNA in the form of sperm is enough to at least be heard. Let a jury decide who is lying. She didn’t even know who Jameis Winston was when she said she was raped. He was not the starting quarterback for Florida State then either. To say it was about money is crazy. I’m not saying he did but I do believe this has not been handled the right way. P.S. That guy went to jail
January 24th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
Unfortunately rape alegations are claimed far to frequently these days. Especially against athletes or a person who appears to be very well off. It is a fact that a majority of allegations, once looked into, turn out to be false. It’s a shame that rape allegations have turned into the equivalent of the boy who cried wolf. I hope if these are just false alegations, he learns his lesson and carries himself with the knowledge that some people are out to collect a paycheck from him. It’s sad how many times this has happened to athletes. It leaves a level of doubt for real incidents.
January 24th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
“So yea I think DNA in the form of sperm is enough to at least be heard.”
Hey CSI Miami,
If a husband has sex with his wife, DNA is left behind. All sex leaves DNA. It’s only relevant if someone were to deny ever having sex. That never occurred in this case.
January 24th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
In our country we are presumed innocent until proven guilty. If a team does their research and determines that the allegations carry no weight, this should not be held against him.
If these allegations are false, the other issues with Winston’s immaturity are minor issues. Stealing crab legs (which were probably given to him by the sea food counter staff), and popping off during a class meeting are very minor issues.
Based on skill and ability alone, I don’t think these two players are even close.
January 24th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
“She didn’t even know who Jameis Winston was when she said she was raped. He was not the starting quarterback for Florida State then either. To say it was about money is crazy.”
You conveniently leave out the fact that they stopped talking to police and never said a word from February/March…..until, literally, the day after Mariota got hurt, and Winston became the Hei$man favorite.
When he became valuable, it became about money, they hadn’t said a peep for about 9 months before that. Hei$man favorite? Suddenly the aunt becomes concerned again.
January 24th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
Some people, really comparing JW to Manson & Jack the Ripper(by the way he was protected by his friends), is idiotic and senseless. You presume a man who has been charged with nothing is a serial something, get over your high horse, never having said, done or thought a wrong thing. BTW, the NFL is about resuts, so you hire the one who you think can bring you results, I am sure Wall Street is full of saints, as if all those corporate execs got their completely honestly, stepping on no one, kudos to the ones that did the right way, but many who made big bonuses the other way, it all flowed down hill, i.e., they all got paid, Jameis, the wolf of Wall Street, get er’ done. Really, I hope we draft JW, he leads the Bucs to victories and becomes a model citizen, go Bucs.
January 24th, 2015 at 5:21 pm
“It is a fact that a majority of allegations, once looked into, turn out to be false.”
Sorry that is NOT a fact. You’re entitled to your opinion but not your facts.
The generally accepted rate of false accusations is somewhere between 4-8%!!!
The highest number I’ve ever read was 40% and that is only one study to controvert the others.
No matter..40% is is NO way a majority unless the meaning of that word has changed. And the generally accepted numbers between 4-8% are obviously FAR from a majority.
Meanwhile anybody want to tell us how many rapes go unreported?
I’m not saying that Jameis did anything illegal. I’m already on the record as saying if the Bucs investigate his “issues” and decide to draft him I’ll join the chorus.
But you people are so incredibly ignorant about the crime of rape you should really just let it go. While the rape “accusations” may be the worst, Jameis has established a pattern of knuckleheaded behavior.
Your points that he can reform and change are valid if debatable. Your defense of his past and attacks on the young woman are simply wrong. Accept that Jameis has been a cement head off the field and move on.
There are plenty of cement heads in the NFL Some in the Super Bowl. Can you say Legarrette Blount. How big of an idiot must this moron be?
Seriously…rushes for FOUR TD’s setting playoff records last year for New England and yet Belicheat STILL cut him after the season. He goes to Pittsburgh and even Tomlin can’t stand him and CUTS him AGAIN!! Belicheat absolutely desperate picks him up for a playoff run. He gets another great playoff game from but think Blount will be a Patriot next year?
January 24th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
“Some people, really comparing JW to Manson & Jack the Ripper”
Really? Can you provide a link or a specific example?
You guys really need to jump out of the Jameis wambulance. It doesn’t help your argument. Simply accept the FACT that virtually every NFL type has commented on Jameis’ issues. That’s not their imaginations.
The problem for Jameis and many young athletes is that NOBODY teaches them that Famous does not equal unaccountable.
Not just athletes either. Is there a bigger jerk than Justin Bieber? Self entitled young spoiled rotten CHILDREN are never a pleasant sight.
January 24th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Ok so cause married men don’t ever rape there wife. What is your point. My point is who are you to say who is lying? So you know what took place for nine months? I don’t but she called and reported it that night and did know who it was than the next semester the had a class together than she realized he was the guy who did it and he matched the DNA. Thats the report I heard. If true I findis hard to believe she would know he would turn out to be the star QB. I don’t think anyone knows what happened with the cops and FSU. But she reported it than night and had a rape kit done when he was a nobody. Right or wrong? He was no one there was no money for her to make that night. I’m not saying he did it but was not handled right in my opinion
January 24th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
@Nybucsfan Says:
January 24th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Before I waste any more time. Answer one question:
Exactly how many pages of the 200+ page State Attorneys report, with all the toxicology reports and witness interviews, etc, did you read?
January 24th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
Can’t you see the relevance of what’s happening here and why the Bucs will have a difficult decision?
Rape or probably not….the accusation causes nightmarish PR problems for Winston. He will have to live a life like Jeter in order to escape future accusations. He has made matters worse for himself with his public disrespect for women. That is something that happened and can’t be disupted….Immature…yes…..a crime….no…..but very, very poor judgement.
It’s a shame that he needs defending…..but, he does….and that is a distraction that #1 overall picks that would be francise QBs don’t need.
January 24th, 2015 at 6:09 pm
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/jameis-winston-florida-state-tallahassee-police-hindered-investigation-documents-101014. What did the State attorney say in this interview. That it was mishandled? My point exactly. It’s a never ending cycle
January 24th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
@ny
I’m talking about his report.
Did you read it or do rely on media interpretations?
It’s a very simple yes or no answer.
January 24th, 2015 at 6:29 pm
No read a quote of him speaking. Him speaking say he couldn’t build a case because the cops and FSU mishandled it. is that not good enough for you do you think he is lying when he said that?
January 24th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
Do you understand that in any investigation there is all sorts of types of evidence gathered? Just because video was not gathered at potbellys does not mean the other evidence they have invalid.
If you actually took the time to read before bashing you might realize that there is a TON of worthy evidence. It was that evidence that the police, then the state attorney, and finally the retired Supreme Court justice used to come to their conclusions.
If you are this string in your opinion of Winston, then why wouldn’t you actually read the evidence.
It makes your opinion, at least educated.
I would never rely on journalists to get ALL of my information. Especially about such a topic like rape.
But hey that’s just me.
January 24th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
I never said he did it or did not I this it was mishandled. I know and you know that you could find evidence to support both sides. When the state attorney comes out and says he could not make a case because there was tampering I believe him. I do not think he would lie he is the state attorney.who hired the retired supreme court justice?
January 24th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
So you admit you are not interested in educating yourself on the actual evidence while continuing to refer to him as being accused of rape?
January 24th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
gatrbuc17 Says:
January 24th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Officer Scott Angulo handled Kinsman’s case—or mishandled it, if Kinsman’s attorneys are to be believed. Angulo was a Florida State graduate who did private security work for the Seminole Boosters, a major fundraising arm of Florida State athletics. In the wake of her rape accusation, he failed to obtain a DNA sample from Winston, failed to interview him, failed to question the cab driver, failed to demand video footage from the 30 cameras inside Potbelly’s, and failed to question Seminoles defensive end Chris Casher, Winston’s roommate/teammate who allegedly tried to tell him to stop raping Kinsman. According to Kinsman, the Tallahassee Police Department did nothing for 10 months. Meanwhile, she was constantly being re-victimized by her FSU classmates.
Yup………got it right there. He’s innocent.
You want to make a case to support how you feel about Jameis Winston. Megg put all of the evidence onlne. Why will you not go to the site where the evidence is located and make your case based on the evidence instead of attempting to secure your position using prapaganda fluff liners. When you attempt to impose your standards of morrality on another person, and that person is of African American descent, you present yourself as a racist. If morality was your concern, you would be up in arms against journalist that write article without supporting evidence. You have made unfounded allegation against JOE-who has to ascertain that all of his article are fact based because he is a small business man and it would be difficult for him to obsorb the cost of litigation. JOE provides you with a place to express your ignorance and you criticize him for his opinion as to which QB he perferes in the draft.
January 24th, 2015 at 7:42 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
January 24th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
@Eric
I hope you guys dont have a son; who some on here would send to prison based on testimony that is all over the lot.
Agree 100% Feel just as strongly though that I hope the guys here don’t have a daughter who is raped and called a cleat chasing POS. Nobody knows what happened that night. It’s time to move on.
BTW in a stat that should concern all of us sportsfans 18% of the campus rapes are done by athletes. I seriously doubt that 18% of college students are athletes…a lot closer to 1%. What up with that. THIS IS NOT TO IMPLY JAMEIS WAS GUILTY. Just an observation.
She was reported to have called herself a cleat chaser.
January 24th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo is very disturbed by anyone calling anyone else a racist….Pablo isn’t a racist although Pablo has made it clear that he has a bias toward latino players…..once again…Pablo wants to Bucs to trade down and take Cody Fajardo in the 5th round….bring in Mark Sancez as a FA and wanted Jeff Garcia as QB coach. Furthermore, Pablo wants to beef up the Oline by bringing Anthony Munoz out of retirement……Pablo isn’t racist…he just likes his brothers!!!”
“And, for those who don’t like Pablo repeating himself….Pablo has to read all of your repetitive mierda daily”
January 24th, 2015 at 8:15 pm
Don’t worry guys, Aquib Talib is going to hired as his babysitter if they pick Shameis, he needs some extra $ for cab fares
January 25th, 2015 at 6:21 am
@Patrick
“You FSU people”
Finally the truth comes out.. all you had to say from the beginning was that you hate him because he went to FSU…
January 25th, 2015 at 6:28 am
@Nybucsfan
Just trying to get your perspective, what evidence supports her side??? The fact that she was sending text messages to her friends during the Clemson game 9 months after the incident congratulating JW on the game?? Not many victims congratulate their accusers.. The fact that her accounts of the incident have changed 3 different times?? Im open minded so show me the evidence that supports her side??
January 25th, 2015 at 7:04 am
Hmmmm, a documentary blowing things out of proportion, and a article so one sided it’s nuts. To believe the article, with no facts, shows you are the typical uneducated American. The man is innocent, it’s proven, she just wants to get paid, and I bet she got cut a real nice check from the director of that movie to release her name, and blow her story up. It sells tickets. She’s begging for money. It’s sad what this world has come too.
January 25th, 2015 at 8:32 am
@The True Buc Fan
More importantly, her Attorneys want to get paid. Whether anything comes of this next which hunt the Attorneys keep their names in the headlines. Its like free marketing/publicity.. Like JW attorney Crowell said, i feel sorry for the girl.. her attorneys saw someone they could take advantage of in a potential high profile case and all they saw were $$$$ and didn’t even care about the facts of the case…
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And to all the self righteous bucs fans out there,, im sure you were cheering your ass off when the CONVICTED wife beating Pittman ran for 120 in super bowl 37… JW hasn’t spent a day in jail and its as if we are talking about drafting a kid with a 20 page rap sheet.. Lets start putting things a little in perspective.. JW had a 4.0 in high school, has 3.5 in college meanwhile playing 2 sports which pretty much take up his whole year and not once have you heard of him missing practice or being late to meetings..
Sure i would love to have JW as the Bucs QB but really don’t care as long as who ever they draft makes our team better.. But damn give this kid a break. $32 worth of crab legs that were actually given to him because that’s what that Publix has been doing for years for the FSU football team, a curse word?? come on man.. should he have not done those things sure..but im not going to crucify him over $32 and a prank… #PERSPECTIVE
January 25th, 2015 at 8:56 am
Josh P …quite the contrary. Mr Patrick will tell (lie) you he’s actually…. a Noles fan.
Bwhahahahahahahaha
January 25th, 2015 at 8:56 am
The ‘King of Inflate Gate’ uses the shot gun on occasion and has had some success in the NFL.
January 25th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
Brad Johnson went to Florida State dumb ass
January 25th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Cut all the other bullshit talk Ok. Do what you want take him 1st overall and win a couple of Super Bowls. Or don’t take him 1st overall and regret it. The choice is always yours
January 25th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
Funny, if you read her comments from the documentary, they are a direct contradiction of the account given from her own friends at the bar when she met Winston. She can’t keep her story straight and many of you seem cool with that. I’m sure if it happened to your son you would all be fine with it though.