Jameis Watch: “What’s To Debate?”
January 8th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Joe has always said — and always maintained — that if the Bucs draft Oregon’s Marcus Mariota, then Joe will be content and will support him and cross his fingers he becomes the multi-year, All-Pro selection the Mariota Gang is convinced he will be.
But spread option quarterbacks just spook the hell out of Joe. Doesn’t mean they cannot succeed in the NFL, just that the unemployment line NFL signalcallers is littered with former spread-option types. They have a learning curve to master an NFL offense.
If Joe could find a former NFL scout or GM who believes Mariota’s experience tranfers into a stud NFL quarterback, it would help Joe change his mind. But Joe cannot.
Every former NFL front office guy — much less former players — is convinced it is Jameis Winston, not Mariota, that is the better NFL prospect. An example of this is former Chargers All-Pro defensive end Marcellus Wiley, who now works for BSPN.
Haven’t met a former player or insider yet who thinks Mariota is a better QB than Winston, so what’s to debate? #notthesame #Winston1
— Marcellus Wiley (@marcelluswiley) January 8, 2015
That’s just it.
Many Bucs fans have such an erection for Mariota, citing his stats, that they cannot walk in public. But be careful. Guys who pretend to be general managers, with their weekly throw-stuff-against-the-wall mock drafts, are also infatuated by Mariota. Yet the very folks who lived and worked and played in the NFL believe prefer Winston.
For better or worse, Joe will always take the insight of guys who worked in the NFL for a living breaking down prospects, or who actually played the game — not guys who someday hope to be working for an NFL team, no disrespect in any way shape or form to the latter group.
Let Joe put it this way: Who would you take advice from on how to lure Rachel Watson, someone who already bedded her or someone who just wants to bed her (Joe)?
January 8th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
trent dilfer said the same thing, authoritatively on Ron & Ian today. no debate based on game tape who is ready to get under center (or in the shotgun if you’re mariotta, i guess) day 1 and help you compete.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
He hasn’t met very many former players or insiders recently, I’m assuming…. Because the majority of those people think Mariota is a better overall QB than Winston.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
*authoritatively isn’t the description i was looking for. maybe “emphatically and without hesitation”.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Is that panty hose Winston wears on his head? I’m only curious.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
@Joe:
Chicken Marsala & white wine
January 8th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
‘Joe’ doesn’t realize how much he’s getting made fun of in the local community bcuz of this idiotic Winston support. His credibility is taking alot of damage. No right-minded people want Winston over Mariota. I agree, there’s no real debate.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
This site is a jameis love fest now. Reminds me of another immature qb Joe drooled over… LOL Bucs take Mariota because no matter how much jameis lovers don’t want to admit it his character is a huge question mark the Glazers won’t take a chance on
January 8th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
Winston is assuredly more ready right now. But whats to say in the long run, Mariota cannot surpass him?
Mariota does what he is asked to do in the Oregon offense. The big question with him is can he learn to take snaps from under center and become a drop back passer? Its certainly possible.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
I’m still looking for mock drafts that have us taking Winston….
Also, if Winston is such a slam-dunk favorite to succeed with the entire NFL community then why on earth would we have any trouble finding an unemployed OC……
The answer to the mock draft and the OC questions are the same. We are picking Mariota (at least for now)
Much can happen between now and the draft…..
January 8th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Erik with Clean Athletics Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
He hasn’t met very many former players or insiders recently, I’m assuming…. Because the majority of those people think Mariota is a better overall QB than Winston.
Please give us some examples…..
January 8th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
I think a lot of people would be for Winston if there wasn’t a 7-month offseason……
Just think, seven months of disposable income and time on his hands….
Formula for, well, use your imagination!
January 8th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
” just that the road to NFL unemployed signal-callers is littered with former spread-option types. There often is a significant learning curve for spread-option guys to master an NFL offense.”
JOE…JOE…a sobering stat indeed. If we want to be motivated by sobering stats though you should be on board with everybody who wants to trade down.
Consider this…
Since 1950, 27 quarterbacks have been selected as the Heisman Trophy winner. Of those 27, only 20 started at quarterback in at least one NFL game. Among those 20, only four quarterbacks have a winning record in the NFL (regular season). Robert Griffin III is the only Heisman winner with a career passer rating over 90 in the NFL (90.8). Since 1950, the combined NFL winning percentage for quarterbacks who won the Heisman Trophy is under .500 (480-501-4, .489).
Based on that bit of info we should avoid them both and try to see if we can turn that pick into several more to fill our bare cupboard!!!
You guys would make horrible investors or gamblers. You create straw man arguments.
The debate is not over who is most NFL ready or even who has the best talent. The debate is whether Jameis is SOOO much better than Mariota that we choose to overlook his OBVIOUS freaking flaws on and off the field.
I’m not suggesting Mariota is better than Winston on the field or is more ready. What I would suggest is that if Winston IS better…and that’s a big if..he has to be sooo much better to justify the obvious risk in taking a head case. And indeed if I was convinced that Jamies was THAT much better then I’d jump on the bandwagon. He simply isn’t.
In real estate it’s location, location, location. This means that an investor will consider an inferior property that may need lots of work if it’s in the right location. The best looking building is not always the best buy.
That’s all this is. A business decision which all of you have turned into an emotional debate with racism, sexism and people praying for each other’s souls.
IF Jameis is sooooo much better than Marcus I’d consider putting up with the risk just as I do with real estate in awesome locations. But he simply isn’t.
I’ll concede that I’m not sure Jameis is not better than Marcus. Having now watched both of them play I simply cannot buy that Jameis is SOOO much better than Marcus that justifies what is CLEARLY an increased risk with the kid who totally lacks in class and judgment. That’s not “hating”. It’s simply stating a FACT.
If Jameis is the next coming of Andrew Luck I’m on board. But I simply do not see that. I see a great young athlete with tremendous promise who MAY be the best QB in college right now, who also carries the baggage of some genuine emotional problems. I see exactly the same thing in Mariota. At minimum one of the top 2 or 3 QB’s coming out..if he comes out.
There is more to the face of the franchise than simple arm strength and athletic skill.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
@Tom
OT but I noticed you too are a former journalist. Glad to have some objectivity aboard.
I used to be a sportscaster through the 80’s into the mid 90’s but not in this market and so you know a lot more than me about the history of Tampa Sports.
Glad to know that. It will provide some insight for me into your comments.
Thanks for sharing.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TBBF***
IN A FEEBLE ATTEMT TO ATTRACT ATTENTION TBBF WILL REFER TO HIMSELF IN THE THIRD PERSON ON THIS ANNOUNCEMENT.
TBBF FEARS A DEEP DIVIDE OCCURING BETWEEN BUC FANS OVER THE #1 PICK.
TBBF FEARS THAT JOE HAS LITTLE CONCERN OVER THIS DIVIDE AND PERHAPS JOE SHOULDN’T CARE….BUT TBBF CARES BECAUSE TBBF LOVES THE BUCS SINCE 1976 AND ALL BUC FANS.
ATTN FANS: OUR BUCS WILL BE A MUCH BETTER TEAM IF WE DRAFT EITHER QB. REGARDLESS OF THE DECISION WE MUST ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON.
TBBF RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REPEAT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE TBBF WANTS ALL BUC FANS TO READ IT. (SORRY IN ADVANCE TO JBF READERS WHO PREFER TO REMAIN DIVIDED)
January 8th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
winstons arm strength sucks. i would put his strength against peyton manning or rivers.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
Speaking For Pablo
“Pablo agrees with TBBF, in fact….Pablo agrees with anyone who refers to themselves in the thrird person (Pablo really doesn’t know what that is)…..an that includes Joe. Pablo would remind you of the famous words of Che Guevara….”Cant we all just get along?”
January 8th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
I hope the character concerns about Winston are overblown, cuz he has all the tools. But it’s irresponsible for Joe to bury his head in the sand and act like everything’s cool. It’s shocking to see how easily Joe is willing to dismiss Winston’s treatment of women.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
TBBF…I’m sure most of us will except either one at this point…some of us just lean one way or the other.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
The #1 pick, of the draft, is unlike ANY other pick. IT IS PRICELESS. It absolutely, positively, has to be a can’t miss player, or the HC/GM will pay for the mistake. And I am not talking about a player who performs ‘well’ in his Rookie year. He needs to take the league by storm. He needs to be a SERIOUS contender for the ‘Rookie of the Year’. Whatever side of the ball he plays, they need to show huge improvement because he was playing.
*I* do not see EITHER, of these QBs, as being in that category, and certainly not with the offense that is on the roster. And with the Lovie/Licht track record of picking good O-linemen…
I’d like to trade the pick. Less pressure on the staff to have a huge improvement next year. If they get multiple picks, this year AND next, they will be in position (next year) to trade up if there is someone they want.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
TBBF made a great point on another Jameis thread that I’ve been thinking as well.
All of us whether Jameis or Marcus supporters should probably tone all of this down about ten notches and stop with all the silly comparisons.
You see the ABYSMAL record of Heisman trophy winning QB’s in the NFL. Since 1950 a losing %
We do NOT need the next John Elway or Andrew Luck and that’s good because there’s not one available right now.
But like TBBF says, if we keep with all these unreal claims and comparisons we are creating such incredibly expectations that it’s almost certain that disappointment is around the corner.
Buc fans are used to disappointment. Alas we are not real great at patience.
Whether it’s Jameis or Marcus we should all chill a bit and be prepared for the growing pains and stick with whomever we draft until it’s totally clear we made a mistake.
Remember we do not need Andrew Luck…a Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco will be fine thank you.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
I am tired of Winston being shoved down my throat when local media is bias and national media agrees Mariota is better. When they played head on in the Rose Bowl we saw who the better player was and it wasn’t #5
January 8th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
You Gator fans make me puke. Tebow is gone. Winston is the future. Stop hating.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:43 pm
I dont think its so much “an erection for Mariota” as it is a strong hate for Winston. Go Bucs. Winston, get ready… the jerseys are ugly but hold the #1 up with pride!
January 8th, 2015 at 4:45 pm
Yungry …HILARIOUS….are you trying to tell me that you’ve never heard any national media pick Winston over Mariota?
You must not watch much TV.
Just this morning on Mike & Mike, Corso and Herbstreit said Winston is hands down the #1 overall pick in the draft whether it be Tampa’s pick or not. Mike and Mike agreed.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
I don’t know who the better Qb will be. None of us do for sure. Both are system quarterbacks, one from the spread and the other is a Jimbo system quarterback. Spread Qb’s have had a difficult transition to the NFL. The Jimbo system Qb’s, haven’t had success either. The Jimbo quarterbacks are, to name a few, Jamarcus Russell, Jimbo was off. coordinator and Qb coach at LSU, Christian Ponder, and Ej Manuel. None have had any success without Jimbo, I personally think it is a crapshoot. With that said we need a Qb badly, I like Mariota, but I feel Winston will perform better at the next level at least in the short term.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
Guaranteed Winston will never be our QB. Father Dungy prefers Mariota. Debate over.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:49 pm
“Christian Ponder, and Ej Manuel”……ummmm both sucked while at FSU. NEXT!
January 8th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
Anyone who is seriously still arguing that the people paid to evaluate these players are saying that Mariota is a better prospect…is just a liar. Either you aren’t watching, or you aren’t listening…because you’re wrong.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
StPeteBucsFan Said:
“Buc fans are used to disappointment. Alas we are not real great at patience.”
Ah, contraire. Anyone who has been a Buc fan for more than ten years is in line for sainthood. I believe the Queen of England has said she would consider ‘Knighthood’ for anyone who could survive just five years as a Buc fan.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
mariotta was throwing passes to dungy’s son for a couple years. i’m sure he will have plenty of good things to say about the kid.
January 8th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
@StPeteBucsFan:
Was working on the sports desk the day the franchise was awarded to Philadelphia Construction magnate Tom McClosky…
….and guess what, for the first time in the history of the NFL, he passed…turned down the ownership and it went to Hugh Culverhouse….
Often wonder how things would have turned out if McClosky hadn’t choked…
January 8th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Seattle, SF, Carolina and Philly run true read option offenses. Collectively they have a pretty good won lost record over the last few years. NE, Denver and GB all run out of the shot gun (as do most teams these days). Most teams are in the shot gun the majority of the snaps already.
Joe, we need an article on what our record would be if we drafted Johnny Douche Bag? My guess 0 – 16. Look at what is happening in Cleveland now!
January 8th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
So a guy’s career is over after six quarters? A guy who played better than Josh McCown?
Why do you hate him so?
January 8th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
Joe…what if the bucs had drafted Manziel last year? See how good he looked in his couple starts this season?
Also, with there being much uncertainty on our O-line, I would much prefer a QB with the ability too scramble over someone who looks like a drunk elephant when attempting to scramble.
Maybe Winston is more of a pocket passer because of the offense he has ran in college, but Mariota hasd the ability to run the same offense with a higher ceiling in my opinion and the ability to get out of trouble and extend the play when needed, which will be quite often playing for this team.
Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I’d like Mariota if I’m rolling the dice
January 8th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
TBBF, FYI!
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2015/
January 8th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
@justin
Totally agree with you.
@jomamma
You realize he’s a pitcher as well at a division 1 program as well? I’m not a big fan if his but that’s not one of his issues.
Joe, I guess you don’t listen to the Big Dog’s weekly guest about the College and NFL?
January 8th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
TBBF, There are several!
http://thebiglead.com/2015/01/08/2015-nfl-mock-draft-jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-bucs-jets/
January 8th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
This QB thing sure gives everybody a lot to talk about over the off season, I think it is good it is on JBF because if everybody was face to face it could get a little scrappy, good thing were not all at the same bar or something like that.. I wonder how many fights this debate will cause in real life? The draft can’t get here fast enough for me..
January 8th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
NEWSFLASH:.GLAZERS WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH #2 PICK
Why?
Because they will anger 50% of JBF readers if they pick Winston
or they will anger 25% of JBF readers if they pick Mariota
or they will anger 75% of JBF readers if they trade the pick
They will rue the day the let Lovie know it was OK to lose the last game…..
January 8th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Forgot my Source…..JBF “Poll”
January 8th, 2015 at 5:11 pm
Earnest T., thought I saw somewhere that 70% of the snaps are from the gun.
Our OC would be wise to adapt elements of Philly’s O. Wait, we don’t have one!
January 8th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
1. Wouldn’t know it from Joe’s traffic.
2. Joe is pretty sure his credibility would take a much worse hit if Joe was dishonest and just wrote things that would make the majority of Bucs fans happy (you know, like the 2-14 record is just a scam and the Bucs are playing this weekend in the playoffs).
Joe has not, will not and never will write things he doesn’t believe in, just to make folks happy. Sorry.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
I’d be in for Winston or trading the pick for lets say a seasoned Eli Manning and Victor Cruz type combo and win right now.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
Erik with Clean Athletics Says:
‘Joe’ doesn’t realize how much he’s getting made fun of in the local community bcuz of this idiotic Winston support. His credibility is taking alot of damage. No right-minded people want Winston over Mariota. I agree, there’s no real debate.
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Not so fast Lil Soldier. Hold on.
Why can’t you guys see that Mariota’s game DOESN’T TRANSLATE TO THE NFL??
Couple years maybe. If ever. Jeez.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
I watched a lot of espn yesterday regarding jameis Winston.
they said he was very similar to Ben Roethlisberger.
they said jameis has the prostyle offense, size, strength, ability to read defenses, and passion like ben. they said jameis was a clone of ben Roethlisberger.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
I’ve been saying since the FSU destruction that the differences between Mariota and Winston couldn’t have been more obvious with Winston being the much more pro ready and sure prospect.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Erik with Clean Athletics Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
‘Joe’ doesn’t realize how much he’s getting made fun of in the local community bcuz of this idiotic Winston support. His credibility is taking alot of damage. No right-minded people want Winston over Mariota. I agree, there’s no real debate.
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Sure he is, 60% of the readers at bucsnation.com prefer Winston over Mariota. Nearly 100% of NFL talking heads prefer Winston over Mariota. There’s less risk in taking a chance of Winston maturing than in Mariota being about to learn and adapt his game to the NFL.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
Here is a can’t lose idea for Mariota fans!!!
Since the entire NFL community and Shaun King are convinced that Winston will be the number one pick……we should trade the pick to Tenn….they would then have the same choice we have now…..and all of the “smart” money says that they would take Winston or trade down.
The worst that could happen is that we would end up with an extra pick or two and one of the two QBs….
Why wouldn’t Tenn want what would be the cheapest shot at picking # 1?
January 8th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
Better question: Why would the Bucs be stupid enough to do that?
January 8th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
Just because Winston plays in a pro style offense doesn’t mean he won’t be a bust. There are more busts that come from a pro style than any other so your logic is stupid. How many GM’s do you really know Joe.? Just because you found a couple dudes that buy the same crap you have doesn’t mean every GM in the NFL both current or former are picking Winston. You would like everyone to think that but it’s just not true. If what you say is so convincing then why do all the mock drafts I’ve seen have us selecting Mariota. Vegas is predicting Winston drops in the first round not Mariota.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
Joe you’re the one with the erection. By my count you’ve had 2,
One for that cleveland creep and one for mr.crab legs
January 8th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
When you know of a sure thing in the draft, let Joe know. He will fly to Vegas, put $3,000 down, and will give you a cut. How’s 30 percent sound?
January 8th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
What is this “In the long run Winston will be better crap?”
Teams don’t let QBs develop. It’s play well out of the gate or find a new career.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
Mariota supports go off emotion. That’s it. Name one reputable scout/analyst not named freaking Mel Kiper Jr. who prefers Mariota over Winston as an NFL QB. They all prefer Winston. It’s universal. Mariota never even takes snaps under center for god’s sake. 60% of his passes are from play action. 250 of his passing yards in the Rose Bowl were after the catch. Jameis is far and away the better NFL QB prospect and it’s not even close.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
Mariota supporters*
January 8th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
@ Joe…..
You actually think that the Bucs would be stupid to trade with Tenn without even knowing what the deal would be?
And….at the very worst would end up with Mariota ……you are convinced that everyone in the NFL has Winston going first…..
The only reason the Bucs wouldn’t do that is if they wanted Winston and were afraid he would be gone at 2……then and only then would it be stupid.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:57 pm
If Winston is so much better why did he struggle most of the year? The majority of the FSU games were close and/or tge team had to comeback. And a lot of the teams they played were with less talent. That has to concern some. Then when the game counted that everyone was watching, Winstin self destructs. I can’t believe this guy has the backing he does and that’s before the issues off the field are factored in. I admit I only watched 4 FSU games this year but Winston didn’t impress me in any of them.
January 8th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
Winston can’t even see!He also looks to me that he freaks out when pressured and it will be worse in the NFL.He gets that confused look and throws fits like a little kid.He also throws ALOT of interceptions.How hard is it to take a snap under center?Every quarterback plays in some kind of system.Everyone talked about a spread offense being too finesse for the NFL but Aaron Rogers played in the spread at CAL.Either your good or your not good enough.
January 8th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
Mcabee
Don’t wish to burst your bubble but posting a link to ONE mock draft is hardly convincing of anything.
Especially if you looked at Walter football’s wrap up of more than 100 mock drafts. Those drafts has Mariota at number one by a six to one ratio over Jameis.
There is plenty of debate going on out there and anybody who suggests that Jameis is the consensus among the experts is doing very selective reading as in local blogs where FSU homerism runs rampant. Nationally it’s a very different picture.
I just read a piece that tried to game a scenario where the Jets would get Mariota with their first pick. They had Jameis going to us..then Peat and some others would knock Mariota down to the 6th spot. We’ll see.
There is a LOT of time and ONE HUGE game between now and the draft.
Jameis did not help his stock with the Rose Bowl…Mariota did not hurt his.
One thing Famous was known for was his poise which he totally lost in the Rose Bowl along with that Josh McCown impersonation…just trying to make a play.
If Mariota chokes in the Championship that could drop him…if he excels it could go the other way. When the NFL types who are now free to begin their research since Jameis has declared, something they couldn’t really do until now, they conduct all their interviews…look at things like the Wunderlich again Jameis stock could either rise or fall.
Listen I would never argue with anyone who claimed if Jameis hadn’t been such a screw up there would be no debate…but he has been and given what’s happened in the NFL this past year with Rice/Hardy/Petersen et al and what happened in Tampa with our “franchise QB”, teams are going to look long and hard at Jameis. Perhaps he will again reclaim the undisputed top pick nod.
He simply does not have that at the present time.
January 8th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
This process is much like a trial…..the Coaches/Owners have all of the evidence, interviews etc…..we don’t have all the information and are not informed enough to make the decision ourselves……we don’t know the opinions of the OC candidates on the QB for example.
Debate all you like….be pationate….have a ball…..but there are many new items that will unfold between now and draft day.
January 8th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
How about an NFL coach who has won a Superbowl, is the only coach to resurrect this awful franchise, who coached arguably the best QB in NFL history, and who is on the short list for the NFL Hall of Fame?
Peter King mentioned in an article that he polled 5 high ranking personnel men in the NFL and every single one would choose Mariota over Winston.
This website has become such garbage. It used to be informative, and at least modestly balanced.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
I am looking forward to what Mike Mayock has to say. Where has he been these last several months?
January 8th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
As I said earlier if the bucs draft Winston I will find a new team. Well I can’t stand joe throwing this dirtbag down everyones throat. I have been a big fan of joebucsfan but I think joe is being ignorant in thinking jameis had no part in the rape and sexual assault not to mention all the other scumbag things he has done. To want to draft him first overall is just stupid. The case isn’t even over he can still end up in court. What a waist of a pick that could be. So I’m out on joebucsfan thanks for the good articles. If FSU loses and did hide facts I hope you apologize to your readers for putting his face all over your page. P.S. NO MEANS NO, NO MEANS NO,NO MEANS NO
January 8th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
The Bucs will ruin whom ever they choose…..but it should be the best TD to INT ratio player in College history. Chip Kelley and his spread offense says “Hey” to the people that said the spread will not work in the NFL. I guess there are NO QB’s in the NFL who came from a pro style offense that didn’t fail? Winston shows how his pro-style pf play will translate… INT, INT, Fumble….yell at the coach, push a ref, then throw a few more INT’s.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:40 pm
@Nytitansfan we will not miss you. Enjoy watching Mariota in Tenn because I believe the Bucs will and should draft Winston.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
As a non FSU fan I’m curious why all of you haters just assume that Winston won’t straighten out. His upside is tremendous and there is no doubt that he is the better prospect on the field. I truly believe that he may have learned from his mistakes and will not repeat his mistakes. We are just a few days into this debate and already the talking heads in the media are coming out in full force supporting Winston as the guy. I think the Rose Bowl alone cemented the fact that Mariota is too much of a risk. He runs an offense that will not be utilized in the NFL.
From everything I read Winston is a tremendous leader and a team player. Yes he is immature and has made some dumb mistakes, but he doesn’t seem like a “thug” or gangster that won’t be able to stay out of trouble. If he keeps his nose clean like I think the fortunes of the team he goes to could be great for at least another decade.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:50 pm
@ny
You should change your name to Connecticut bucs fan since you detest scumbags and all. How you claim NY? It’s a prerequisite to be a scumbag (sometimes) just to survive. #ps94 #gunhill
January 8th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
If Winston’s mechanics, foot work, and pocket presence weren’t enough to make you question him, he also has trouble reading underneath coverage’s.
January 8th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
Check Gil Brandt and Bill polian on mariota.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:17 pm
Do you really want your team leader and the face of your franchise to be somebody that has to have a baby sitter so he stays out of trouble? Nope
January 8th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Given Coach Smith’s track record choosing personnel, I’m expecting him to choose Mariota!
January 8th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
Let me put this Heisman qb failure in the NFL crap to bed. The reason most of those qbs fail is because they played in offenses that are suitable for college like the read option, triple option, wishbone, spread option etc. It’s basically what some of us are trying to say about Mariota. Most time their skills(or size for some) don’t translate to the nfl. The Heisman Trophy is not always awarded to the best player it’s awarded to the player with the best stats. #NumbersLie
January 8th, 2015 at 10:03 pm
If only Skyline Crew knew anything of which he is talking about.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
Sorry JBuc, but the game film doesn’t lie and there are plenty of analysts that have say the same thing about Winston. You can see it then that isn’t my fault.
January 8th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
This is the breakdown of Winston’s mechanics:
“Winston’s throwing mechanics are sloppy. And that’s putting it nicely. His feet are sloppy which causes his entire lower body to be sloppy and also his entire upper body. He gets away with this because he has such a strong arm and is still consistently accurate. With some discipline in his mechanics, Winston could become an even better thrower and more consistently accurate with the football. When Winston misses he misses high, especially to his right. He has a tendency to drop his throwing elbow when throwing to his right and causes a lot of his balls to sail because his hand dips below the football at the release instead of staying “on top” of it. This happens less when he throws to the left because the motion of throwing to the left naturally slots his elbow in the right position and he’s less likely to let it sail.
Under pressure, Winston’s mechanics get even sloppier. He does a good job of moving within the pocket but it takes considerable effort to move his big frame around and he’s not as precise or subtle in his movements as he should be. Winston shows a strong ability to handle edge pressure, it’s just the pressure up the middle that tends to cause his decision making to implode.”
“Winston can and often reads through a full progression and does so with good efficiency. He can determine his first read and come off it quickly if the defense shifts. He’s always aware of where his receivers should be and does a good job of moving his feet with his eyes so that he can pull the trigger and deliver the ball with quickness and accuracy. Despite all of that, Winston actually has the same issue with underneath linebackers that Mariota has. Sometimes he’ll be so focused on the routes that his receivers are running that a linebacker from across the field can sneak under a throw. This is something he has to improve on.” –NFL Philosophy
January 8th, 2015 at 11:23 pm
^^^
No, that is the breakdown by this particular analyst which is one persons opinion. It is not THE breakdown of Winston’s mechanics. I could show the comments of many analysts who think Winston is the top QB prospect this year and say he has strong mechanics with very good pocket presence.
Sorry, but I prefer the guy that was the #1 prospect coming out of HS, went on to win all but 1 game in 2 years of college while playing in a more pro style offense from the pocket, is 6’5″ with a big time arm and is extremely accurate with the football.
I am not opposed to Mariotta but based on what I have seen and what I know, Winston would be my pick.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:52 pm
Barry Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Is that [panty hose] Winston wears on his head? I’m only curious.
Why? You some sort of freak?
January 9th, 2015 at 12:02 am
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
This is the breakdown of Winston’s mechanics:
Lets start the debate with this: Nothing you say is true and has no bases for valid discussion. You spew hate as if your senile. Were you born in the years of 1930?
January 9th, 2015 at 12:05 am
Nybucsfan Says:
January 8th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
As I said earlier if the bucs draft Winston I will find a new team.
Thank god!
January 9th, 2015 at 12:22 am
@skyline,
That report sounds considerably more harsh than most I’ve read. He may have some of the baseball tendencies that lead to a slight wind up, but it’s a decently quick release and its something that’s easy to improve w practice. And several scouts have mentioned how well he throws under pressure. He stands in there and delivers an accurate ball knowing full and well that he is about to get drilled, very similar to Luck, although maybe not w that same accuracy or quick short release. what QB performs well w pressure up the middle? FSU had an overmatched center for the first half of the season, so there’s a lot of tape of him having to deal w essentially unblocked DT or DE On stunts getting a clean rush on him.
January 9th, 2015 at 12:30 am
You can’t win it all in this league wout a very good QB. to have an opportunity to take a guy who people suggested would have been the first overall pick LAST year is too much to pass up. But to suggest that the bucs would pass on Winston AND Mariota is just ridiculous and i would wonder what the world the glazers, lovie, and licht were doing trying to run an NFL franchise. So please stop w the OL talk, or the trade talk. Of course anything is on the table, just like the Rays would trade Longo for the right deal. I just can’t see how the bucs would 1. Not take a QB; 2. Think Mariota is the better pick. Im catiously putting odds at 65% Winston, 30% Mariota, and 5% some wack job decision by the glazers or lovie. From the little I know about licht, I think he goes QB for sure.
January 9th, 2015 at 12:47 am
It’s simple people that know football based on how to break down tape and not care about stupid immaturity acts off field, know Winston is the best Pro set qb, people who don’t understand qb tape review based on nfl standards think its Mariota
January 9th, 2015 at 1:08 am
WHATEVER!!!!! I cant wait till the pinhead Winston falls on his face no matter who takes him!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2015 at 11:36 am
I see our old friend Loggedontosay is back. You should change your name to Loggedontosayimracist. Paints a better picture of you.
January 9th, 2015 at 11:39 am
“Most significantly, too many of Winston’s turnovers this season have been a direct result of his poor play, rather than something he could blame on a team. One of the recurring causes of Winston’s interceptions is his inability to recognize underneath coverage. Winston simply makes these plays that are inexplicable in terms of his thought process. He is an exceptionally smart quarterback from the pocket for the most part, but underneath defenders appear to lie in a blind spot for him. This is an element of his game that NFL defenses will attempt to highlight with flooded zone coverages and mixed coverages. It’s the kind of flaw that could prove fatal if it doesn’t improve significantly. ” –Rotoworld