Bucs QB Coach Marcus Arroyo Gone
January 16th, 2015
Bucs QB coach Marcus Arroyo has been relieved of his duties.
The inevitiable has happened. Arguably the worst (acting) offensive coordinator in the NFL has been relieved of his duties.
Ill-suited Marcus Arroyo, the Bucs quarterbacks coach who attempted to fill the shoes of offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford when Tedford fell ill, has been relieved of his duties.
That’s the word from the fingertips of Woody Cummings of the Tampa Tribune.
QB coach/interim play caller Marcus Arroyo will not be back with the Bucs in 2015
— Roy Cummings (@RCummingsTBO) January 16, 2015
So, we can all turn the page (happily) because Arroyo will no longer stain the Bucs offense. Nothing against the guy. He seemed to be a swell fellow. Just that he was so far over his head he was growing gills.
Joe wishes Arroyo the best of luck in his non-NFL career.
UPDATE: Mike Garafolo of FoxSports.com has a statement from Arroyo.
“I just want to thank Lovie Smith, Jason Licht, the Glazer family, and the entire Buccaneer organization. I appreciated the opportunity to come in as a QB coach and I accepted the additional work and responsibilities for game planning placed upon me unexpectedly after Jeff’s illness. Despite these difficult circumstances, I enjoyed my time here very much. I am certainly looking forward to continuing my coaching career in the NFL, and this experience will prove invaluable.”
January 16th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Shame on Lovie for putting the guy in a “no win” situation….
January 16th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Ah man. Shucks!
January 16th, 2015 at 2:00 pm
Growing gills. Funny. But thank god he’s gone. I’m sorry he lost his job, but he was not good. At being OC and QB coaching. I think from now on if Lovie wants to be successful he needs to hire ppl who’ve been there and done that. No more experiments. But hey, thanks for the number one pick Marcus!
January 16th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
Hopefully, Lovie’s 3rd OC will turn out better than the first two!
January 16th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
Wow not even a buc anymore, looks like dirk could not use him.. Well best of luck to ya elsewhere..
January 16th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Bet Arroyo like Tedford didn’t think you could win with McCown. #NobodyPutsLoviesBoyMcCownInaCorner
Odds Lovie still looking at McCown as his starter? Bet?
January 16th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Feel for the guy….he is lucky to get out of his association with Lovie
January 16th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Ok so George Warhop is next right?
January 16th, 2015 at 2:11 pm
@LargoBuc Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Ok so George Warhop is next right?
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Probably should have been first.. 🙂
January 16th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
I think the telling point for me was early in the year they asked Marcus if he was operating the Tedford offense as Jeff Tedford intended. His answer….. “I don’t know I dont talk to him………..” I knew we were on the Titanic offensively at that point!!!!!
January 16th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Where did I hear George Warhop was buddys with Dirk Koetter!!! Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
January 16th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Yet another Offensive coach’s career setback by Lovie. Serial offensive career killer that lovie is. I wish arroyo well in his smith encounter recovery period. Lovie cost this man cash period. Set him up to fail.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Too much blame out on arroyo.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Nick 2
Warhop and Koetter coached together in past but I’m not sure roles they had
January 16th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
E comes before F, so I’ll give Arroyo an E for effort.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
Dam! I didn’t see that coming. Who will Koetter turn to now?
January 16th, 2015 at 2:22 pm
In a perfect world, Tedford would have been healthy, ran our revamped up-tempo offense for two seasons until he got a head coaching job, and Arroyo would have developed his NFL chops under Tedford’s tutelage.
But that didn’t happen, and Arroyo was thrust into an untenable situation.
However, I blame Lovie’s decision to stick with McCown over Glennon for our offense’s dismal performance. We averaged just under 20 points per game with Glennon, and just over 14 with McCown. Glennon’s absolute worst game this season he had a 72.8 passer rating. McCown treated Bucs fans to eight games with a passer rating worse than that.
There is simply no way to justify playing McCown instead of Glennon. It seems pretty clear that the intention was to tank the season.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
I feel for the man. He was thrust into a position that he wasn’t ready for and fans made a villian out of him. I wish him well in his NFL future
January 16th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
The Lovie bashing is incredible. Lovie did the best he could with what he was given. He gave the offense to Arroyo because honestly……who else could he turn to. Why not give it to a young up and coming football coach that has some ties to Tedford. We had a bad year…..so what…it happens. I will reserve my concerns for after next year when Lovie has more time to get things the way he wants. He was in HIGH demand last year and there is a reason why. He was my first choice for coach and still is. Give the man a break…..he was dealt a pair of two’s with no options for a full house on the board.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
What Lovie did to this young man was criminal.
He was hired to be a QB coach under Tedford and ended up the OC and QB coach with little or no guidance during the entire season except to play McCown. This is just plain wrong and for Lovie to refuse Tedford’s return is insane.
Now I don’t know if Arroyo is any good or not, but he was put in a position to learn from a pro and he is being dumped for that.
Koetter had to cut him since he was no longer the OC but it is shameful for Lovie.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
that’s cold Roy Cummings….bunch a holes in the bucs media. making him the offensive coordinator was like going from paper boy to sport beat writer after one summer. everyone knows he’s no coordinator and that he’s a qb coach and if that was his role im sure he would have been just as bad with the quarterback on this roster so yea he’d probably still get fired after one season
January 16th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
I really hope he catches on somewhere else. I will never rag on him for the job he did here. But he did gain some valuable experience in his 1 year as an OC/qb coach.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
I feel bad for him also Tedford and Lovie both left him in a bad predicament last season. But on a positive note for him at least he got a little on the job training out of it and something extra to talk about during his future interviews.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Should have happened during the bye week if you ask me.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
We scored 277 points this season, and lost eight games by a margin of six points or less. If you total those loss margins up, we were only 39 more points away from being a 10-win team this year.
Of course, that’s highly theoretical, since it’s unlikely that those points would be perfectly distributed in such a way that we would actually win all of those games.
But for the sake of argument, if you project Glennon’s 19.83 point-per-game average production over the full season, that’s 317 points. 317 minus 277 equals 40. So there’s your missing 39 points.
Lovie’s stubborn decision to stick with McCown cost us plenty of wins. Good luck to Marcus Arroyo. Shame on Lovie.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:40 pm
Best of luck to the man in his future coaching eneavors.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
I feel bad for him. He got Raheemed, plain and simple.
Lovie’s behavior with Tedford and his refusal to bring in help for Arroyo puts a big blemish on his coaching career.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
feel bad for him?
he was givin the opportunity of a lifetime.
albeit thrown to the wolves, but thats how opportunity presents itself. either you man up or you don’t.
he didn’t. wish him no ill will, but certainly don’t feel for the guy. his play calling was like watching paint dry.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Tom Edrington Says
“Shame on Lovie for putting the guy in a “no win” situation…”
Shame on you for finding absolutely any reason at all to hate on the man. It’s not like Lovie gave Tedford a heart problem.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
And Lovie did not put him in a “no-win situation. He gave him an opportunity. Just like Mike Glennon has had opportunities.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
in tanking the season lovie threw a HELL of a lot of people under the bus. lovie knew what he was doing all along with no remorse for the careers he ruined.
very low character person. funny how those so big on touting character turn out to be the ones lacking.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Okay, people…get this straight. Lovie Smith did nothing wrong to Aroyyo. All he did is put him in a position to earn a permanent promotion. It was Aroyyo who failed to capitalize on it. It was an opportunity he would not have gotten otherwise.
SO STOP BLAMING LOVIE.
While I fail bad for Aroyyo, it certainly is not Lovie’s fault. Get over yourselves.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
No need to hate on this guy. He was put in an extraordinarily unfavorable situation. Our ineptitude shouldn’t be solely reflected back on him. Give this kid another chance somewhere in a proper scenario.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
or maybe if he accepts a position at a prison and puts together a rag-tag team of football players he could end up coaching Jameis soon!
January 16th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Robert 9 Says
“in tanking the season lovie threw a HELL of a lot of people under the bus. lovie knew what he was doing all along with no remorse for the careers he ruined.”
Just who exactly did he “throw under the bus?”
Not anyone I have seen. Correct me if I’m wrong, but between all your moments of bashing and trolling, did you not say we needed a new offensive coordinator and that he should get to choose his own staff?
That’s what is happening. Just as WE ALL WANTED.
But of course, even though you got what you want, you still have to have SOMETHING to hold against Lovie Smith, eh?
January 16th, 2015 at 3:12 pm
@Robert- It its sickening that you and many others spew the Lovie Smith hate when none of your statements are based on facts. You say that Lovie is throwing people under the bus but unfortunately many things didn’t work in the organizations favor and the OC position is one of them. You make it sound like Lovie had some conspiracy to force Marcus Arroyo (He had to except the interim OC position!) to be OC. People forget that Arroyo was an OC in college so I’m sure it was a welcomed challenge and opportunity for him! Please stop the nonsense!
January 16th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
I have absolutely no issue with Aroyyo. The guy was put in an impossible position. I hope he learns from this and comes back in the future and does a great job for someone. No one should be expected to be trusted into that situation and succeed. He should be happy yo get that opportunity because it will help him later in his career.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
BuccaneerBonzai – SO STOP BLAMING LOVIE.
I’ll gladly stop blaming Lovie when he stops making STUPID decisions. He has caused a tremendous amount of damage in a short period of time. He is destroying the franchise I love because he is too stubborn. You have the right to like lovie more power to you but he is a joke and you are what your record says you are 2-14… he made the team worse that is not disputable.
Just like it was never in dispute that Rod Marinelli would never leave a playoff team that has way MORE credibility and resources than the bucs do. Just so he can be with his friend. How cute. I believe you were one of the ones guaranteeing he wanted to be with his little buddy lovie…
January 16th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
alanbucs – what is sickening is the Lovie supporters who are blind and will not admit their Savior can not evaluate talent nor manage a game at a level higher than texas high school. Lovie is a loser, his super bowl free pass has expired. 2-14 out
January 16th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
Bonzai
Captain goes down with his ship. Lovie has to take the blame. He said the entire off staff was making the decisions. Sounds like most if not all need to go. It’s all Lovies fault. #HNIC
Oh n this
The Buc Realist Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 2:01 pm
Hopefully, Lovie’s 3rd OC will turn out better than the first two!
January 16th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
@tmaxcon- I am not a blind Lovie supporter. I was the first to say that Lovie and Licht missed on some decisions this year but they hit on some as well (Clinton Mcdonald, Alterraun Verner, Jaquies Smith, Bradley Mcdougald, Danny Lansannah). No one wahnts to talk about that. We whined for years that we didn’t have an experienced NFL coach. Now we have experienced Head coach, OC that was once a college head coach, and DC that has head coaching experience and we want to fire everyone right?
January 16th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
bonzai “Just who exactly did he “throw under the bus?”
Tedford – he wanted to come back, but was told no. God forbid he help out or we win
aroyo – he gave him a shot, albeit like telling an alcatraz prisoner, your free…swim for it.
glennon. he never got a shot with the awful OL lovie brought in
The RB’s. how many times did we see him bench someone for no apparent reason only to force his scrub into the lineup
they guy is a walking excuse.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
@ Buc Bonzai:
Incredible, Lovie set the young man up to fail, it’s a bad commander that sends his men in to be ambushed….
Simple as that…
Your excuse-making for Lovie is ridiculous!
January 16th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
So, lets just hire and OC and keep the rest of the staff in place. No need to for him to work with people that he feels comfortable with.
You all are beyond dense.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
lovie either used every trick in the book to tank the season or he has the IQ of forest gump
January 16th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
@senormofo I think lovie was protecting our qb of the future from getting shell shocked. I think when young qbs get shell shocked they never recover n become clipboard holders like mccown n etc.. But some rise to the occasion n a diamond is born from the pressure. Now I think lovie is seriously considering a higher ceiling qb with pressure from the glazers. The hometown boy winston would make sense but a huge risk/reward in mariota makes about as much sense so its a toss up lol
January 16th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
alanbucs –
I was excited when bucs hired lovie. I admit I drank the kool-aid that being said after witnessing this disaster and listening to each and every press conference I have not only lost faith in Lovie I despise the man. His ego and stubborness have made this team worse and cost people jobs. That is not a trait of a good leader regardless of his experience level. If he would not have blown expectations out of the water last year and was honest I’d give him more time but he blew it with me. I truly dislike the way he runs his team / business.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Ok, so what should’ve happend? We should’ve kept Arroyo and just hope he does better the second year? (if he didn’t, you’d blame Lovie for keeping the status quo)
Should we have moved him back to QB coach? (if we did, you’d complain that lovie has all the power OR you’d claim that he must’ve been good if Koetter wanted to keep him)
What, in your mind, should have been done?
January 16th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
@Celly- Exactly. I have just come to the conclusion that even we start winning people are going to say that it was all because of Dirk Koetter and Jameis Winston. Get ready for it.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Celly
Lovie had many options going all the way back before game 1. Lovie should have hired a senior offensive consultant to at lease assist Arroyo. Instead it was a group effort of college coaches with no experience. That was Lovie and Lovie decision alone. HIS choice. It was the wrong choice. He also could have brought in a last minute coordinator. I dont want to hear there was no time. no continuity there was none anyway. Lovie handled this situation wrong just he has nearly ever decsions he has made since arriving.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
@tmaxcon-You make it sound so easy to just pick this senior consultant. I guarrantee that bucs fans wouldn’t have been satisfied with that choice either. Plus, how do we know that it would have made much difference. Jeff Tedford had designed an offense the whole offseason and really couldn’t implement it. period. Get over it and move on.
January 16th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
So let me get this straight:
Any OC walking the street should’ve come in here and beent he new OC. Would that OC be allowed to use his own playbook or would he be forced to use a playbook he’s never seen or had any sort of input in creating?
And in the event that we did bring in this mystery OC or surprise offensive consultant, and we won a few games at the end, would you then bash Lovie for winning “meaningless” games (as so many on here call them…to me, no win is meaningless) and eliminating our possibility for a #1 pick or would you give him credit for trying to make the offense better WITHOUT derating him on the fact that “he’s always messing with the offense”?
The point I’m making is that people on these boards will ALWAYS find something to complain about. When we start winning (as i believe we will EVERY year), people will STILL find some reason to complain. Its so difficult having some meaningful conversations AS ADULTS on this site anymore.
As much as I love them both, i truly believe Madden and Fantasy Football is and are ruining the NFL and/or the expectation of the “average” fan.
anyway,
#GoBucs
January 16th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
I don’t know why anyone would feel sorry for Arroyo.
First, getting the chance to be an NFL OC is a RARE opportunity; he failed, but he is young.
Second, he is still getting a nice check, right? We should all be so unfortunate.
Last, Arroyo will be employed in Canada by next week, if he is not already (if he wants to be, that is).
PS: Bonzai, Lovie is responsible… PERIOD. He gets the credit, AND the blame. Lovie could have, and should have brought in an OC advisor EARLY. He chose not to and shame on him for making all of us suffer because of his poor decision making
January 16th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Arroyo was Tedofrd’s hire and had no strings to Lovie. Tough to feel sorry for someone being fired who is going to be paid for a year while he looks for a new job.
I’m sure the majority of us wish we were in the same comfort level if we were ever fired.
January 16th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
alanbucs / celly
There is some old retired guy that would have loved to be a hands on mentor. I am not talking about a guy running the offense just some support and guidance but no he was provided with a college coach failure in Embry and I don’t even have to mention Warhop who arroyo said multiple time were the main two coaches assisting him with game plans. Lovie should have provided more support. You both went way over board reading into the offensive coordinator role.
January 16th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
Doesn’t take much for the Lovie haters to take over an unrelated thread here on JBF does it?
Good luck Mr Arroyo.
Hopefully Warhop (who should have been fired on black Monday) is next.
January 16th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
@tmaxcon-How do we know that he didn’t provide internal support from coaches and staff?
January 16th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
@tmaxcon:
Which “old retired guy” was reportedly beating down the Bucs would’ve “loved to be a hands on mentor”? I don’t remember hearing that reported on ANY news (or rumor) site…reputable or not.
If there was one, then my apologies.
Also, you stated coordinator in your previous post. Coordinators are usually only held for 2 positions.
I can only go off what you write, I’d rather not make any inferences.
And, again, I ask…if Lovie would’ve done that, would you have complained that he’s too hands on?
January 16th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
When the fuk did everyone get so sentimental. “Oh I feel bad for him.” WTF. Come on!
January 16th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
His office has been boxed up and ready to go since the New Orleans game…
January 16th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
I wish him the best. Arroyo was thrown head first into the fire and did his best in a tough job that he was under qualified to do.
January 16th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
Poor guy.
Victim of circumstances.
I dont think he was that bad.
He called good plays for. Mike Evans in the red zone. He went deep often.
But……
Our o-line was TERRIBLE.
Therefore, we couldnt run the ball. And we couldnt give either of our QBs anytime to see the field!!
Our o-line should be priority one!!
I want to be like the Packers! 5 smart dudes, that LOVE their QB, protecting him because they LOVE him.
The Packers o-line is awesome because they have CHARACTER and HONOR.
They protect Aaaron with their lives. Literally.
We need o-lineman like the Packers!
January 16th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
Here’s a question…what if Frazier came down with similar medical condition as Tedford…do you think Lovie would put his son in as the DC, and use him as the scapegoat for such a pathetic defense?
Lovie Smith is the perfect example of ‘riding others coattails’ to the HC position, in which he is NOT competent in todays NFL. He’s incapable of changing or adapting to what the NFL has turned into. Naming McCown starting QB before ota’s and TC is perfect example of Lovie NOT using all information available, but rather imposing his beliefs regardless of what might be better than the team. I’m sure Lovie is a great guy, but he has ZERO business being a HC in this league. And the absolute WORST thing that is happening, is Lovie being ‘in-charge’ of personel decsions. Accept for the obvious 1st pick of Evans in first round, NONE of the other picks have shown ANYTHING that makes you think….WOW, we mayhave something here with any of other picks, IMO…not to mention the FA disaster.
January 16th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
Reason # 239 to hate Lovie the Liar….what a disease he is
January 16th, 2015 at 7:12 pm
@ senor mofo:
“There is simply no way to justify playing McCown instead of Glennon. It seems pretty clear that the intention was to tank the season.”
BINGO!
January 16th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
Robert 9 Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
in tanking the season lovie threw a HELL of a lot of people under the bus. lovie knew what he was doing all along with no remorse for the careers he ruined.
very low character person. funny how those so big on touting character turn out to be the ones lacking.
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That’s a funny one, a no character racist idiot is calling somebody else out for having low character. The irony is rampant with this one.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
tmaxcon Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
alanbucs / celly
There is some old retired guy that would have loved to be a hands on mentor. I am not talking about a guy running the offense just some support and guidance but no he was provided with a college coach failure in Embry and I don’t even have to mention Warhop who arroyo said multiple time were the main two coaches assisting him with game plans. Lovie should have provided more support. You both went way over board reading into the offensive coordinator role.
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You’ve got a name, bro? You know, of this old retired guy that wants to put his hands on an offense that is already entering week 3 of the NFL season. You must have names because surely these guys grow on trees.
I’m sure Kevin Gilbride would’ve loved to come to the Bucs, had to teach the entire team all of his concepts that he learned under June Jones and Mouse Davis and continued cultivating on his own in the NFL, in week 3.
Oh wait, that’s right. A new coach would’ve had to come in familiar with Tedford’s terminology and offensive system so there could be a seamless transition… one problem, that guy doesn’t exist.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:44 pm
Lovie should have been fired for bringing in McCown!!!! Then he forced Arroyo to go with McCown even when it was that MG was the better QB!!! Second, his judgment of talent is horrible.
January 16th, 2015 at 10:33 pm
No matter how you look at the situation Arroyyo was not returning under a new regime.
You all know I’m not a Lovie fan but it’s suicide bringing in a new OC and his philosophy who’ll pick his own crew.
Talk about awkward!
January 16th, 2015 at 10:40 pm
Hey joe I was wondering if u know anything about possible qb coach canidates.Thank You future is bright!
January 16th, 2015 at 10:47 pm
No doubt the experience will benefit Arroyo immensely. Frankly, it’s hard not to have compassion for the guy, it’s not his fault the position he was pressed in to, add to it a head coach telling him to sit the Bucs so-called “future franchise QB” and play MC Clown, instead ah, I mean McCown. I will actually be rooting for Arroyo to land in a good spot and use the experience to his advantage. Perhaps someday he will be back in the NFL as an OC, next time around knowing how to do the job right because it will be his system he’s implementing rather than taking over someone elses.
As for the Bucs sitting MG as they did, it has me concerned that there really is a belief with management that he is their future franchise QB and that they knew Arroyo would only be one and done all along, and therefore not wanting to do irrepairable damage to MG by Arroyo or Tedford’s return, decided to keep him on the bench. I like the kid and can see potential in him too, but he’s no more of a sure thing then Winston or Mariota.
Besides, they have the No. 1 pick and therefore can pick between MG, Mariota and Winston to be their franchise guy. Who’s first and who’s second may be debatable, but it’s clear to me MG is definitely third.
January 17th, 2015 at 3:13 am
Well Arroyo’s sacking comes as no surprise to anyone. Arroyo really was thrust into a situation where it was unrealistic to expect the guy to succeed as his last job as OC led to a 1-11 record at Southern Miss. I think that by the time Tedford had his meds situation under control the Bucs were already 2-9 or so and Lovie was eyeing the #1 overall even though he was spouting his rhetoric about still making the playoffs at 7-9 to the press and fans… Lovie mailed in the season, its pretty obvious and hopefully it will be worth it in the long run as what could the Bucs realistically expect in the 2015 draft if Tedford came back and the Bucs did manage to go 4-12 or 5-11 where they would be picking in the 5 to 9 range overall? Maybe they could get Andrus Peat or Scherff but both qbs and Leonard Williams will all be long gone….. The only thing that could have been done was perhaps hirinng a Chan Gailey like guy to oversee Arroyo and “advise” mush Like Butch Davis did for Schiano; but that is water under the bridge and the Bucs tanked their way to the #1 overall, nothing to be proud of but probably better for the franchise than going 5-11 or 6-10 and drafting after the qb needy Skins, Titans and Jets and a few other fellow bottom feeding franchises who will snag up the other marquee draft prospects…
I hope Tedford brings Arroyo to British Columbia; seems like he likes the guy and while Arroyo did stink it up in Tampa perhaps he can go back to being a qb coach or even OC for Tedford and restart his career in the CFL, good luck to Arroyo and Tedford…..
January 17th, 2015 at 9:59 am
Tmaxcon, you really are a fool. I asked a couple of very knowledgeable football people the same question and they told me pretty much the same thing Brandon just told you. No way.
You see Tmaxcon, the one thing that separates rational people from irrational delusional people is reason based on fact.
You just base your opinions on your delusional beliefs.