What Will History Say?
December 9th, 2014
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe’s heard the story. Tampa Bay booted future Hall of Famer Darrelle Revis so they could afford to sign Alterraun Verner, Michael Johnson and Brandon Myers.
Joe understood the threesome logic, but the reality was the Bucs let an extraordinary talent walk out of their building.
That was never soothing to Joe, who caught all kinds of beatings right here from fans who wanted no part of paying Darrelle Revis $16 million per season.
Well, Revis, 29, is now in the discussion for Defensive Player of the Year, and his team, the New England Schianos, are in prime position to win the No. 1 seed in the AFC.
The Boston Herald churned out interesting stats in their celebration of Revis shutting out Chargers young stud wide receiver Keenan Allen on Sunday night.
Quarterbacks targeting Revis this season are now 28 of 68 for 432 yards, two touchdowns and three interceptions (one tipped toDevin McCourty).
Remember, Allen had compiled 17 receptions for 225 yards and three touchdowns in his previous two games, so this was no slouch being marked by Revis. Allen had two catches for 3 total yards tonight, including a reception for no gain against a zone look.
Watching that game Sunday, Joe thought it was clear that Philip Rivers was simply afraid to throw the ball in Revis’ direction.
What would the Bucs look like if Revis was on the field in place of Verner?
Joe’s not sure what history will say about how the Bucs handled Revis. Give it a couple of years. But right now, what is clear is that the Bucs aren’t better without him, and former rockstar general manager Mark Dominik and Greg Schiano — and Team Glazer — weren’t out of their minds for wanting to invest heavily in Revis.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Can Revis play OG or OT?
December 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am
One is for sure. He is glad as hell to be out of here!
December 9th, 2014 at 11:51 am
Joe, if we kept Revis how would we be able to manage paying Gerald McCoy top dollar, resigning Lavonte David this offseason, and fixing our offensive line problems??? I don’t think you can have the highest paid CB (by far), the highest paid DT, and one of the soon-to-be highest paid LB’s all on the same team and be able to have enough money to put quality players at all of the other positions of need that we have. Yes, I agree that a straight up comparison of Revis for THIS YEARS free agents looks like a bad move. But long term, I have a hard time believing that keeping Revis would have been practical if you wanted to keep GMC and LVD and have a competitive team.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:51 am
That trade will go down as the worst trade in the history of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Literally, the worst – value for value…..the worst. At least the Steve Young trade got them a starting quarterback for a couple of years.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:53 am
If Revis would have renegotiated his contract to $12 mill here like he did in New England, he would still be here.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:57 am
In Revis’s credit, at least he doesn’t lay down after a big payday. Thats more than I can say, about some other players. Front office decisions, like this are always a gamble. If it works, you are brilliant, if not, then you made a huge mistake. The Patriots always seem to get the better end of the deal though.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
With all the changes to the rules which favor the passing game any GM would be foolish not to have the best Corner in the league on their team.
Unless they knew they had no chance of winning with him or without him.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
@nate_tweetz — You think the Patriots don’t have other massive contracts? Of course they do. Wilfork is a big cap number, so is Gronkowski and Brady. There are others.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
BucBob1’s comment, “at least he doesn’t lay down after a big payday” is right and,sadly, does not fit the coaching staff all of whom seem unconscious.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
Should have kept him…until you realize Lovie can’t adapt to his talent and would have wasted him anyway. But we did our job as New England’s farm team, we got him ready for the big leagues.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
And an interesting statistic is that something like 98% of teams that win a superbowl have an mvp or player of the year on the team. Not necessarily the same year as the award but at some point in their career.
The lesson from that stat is that you can’t win the big one without elite talent, and the Bucs let that walk right out the door.
Our best hopes right now are LvD or GMC.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
I don,t think Revis would have taken 12mil to stay here. Who in there right mind would want to play here if they could play somewhere else. Thank’s Glasers & Dovie. For God’s sake bring Schiano back since he’s still under contract.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
The deal shouldnt have happened in the first place. As good as Revis was, we were in no position to pay a single player, corner nonetheless, that much cash with as many holes as we had. It wad all short-term, job saving thinking that gave up the pick that turned into Sheldon Richardson and allowed Revis to completely snooker the Bucs.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
Joe you’re right. This is the worst trade of all time for the Bucs. Its horrendous. No way will a guy like Revis with his talents ever be available in the market again. I have a feeling New England will by giving him a long term deal close to 14-16 mill per year anyway. Lovie is a fool and this trade will go down as one of the worst especially if Revis wins a super bowl this year.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Brandon Myers, I thought it was for Evan Dietrich-Smith.
Worst trade ever is right. A 1st and 3rd for damaged goods and then turn around and pay those damaged goods way above market value for the same player not being damaged. One of the most lopsided and stupid trades in NFL history.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Disagree. Mankins is terrible. Kenyatta walker was awful. Revis was DPOY. 5 PB’s prior to trade and made PB last year and will this year. It was one drafy pick really. The 4th round pick was nothing in grand scheme of things. However. It didn’t work out because L&L decided Michael Johnson would be great and burnt verner (how the heck did he ever make PB) would be good, questionable trade made much worse by this regime
December 9th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
Zam Says:
December 9th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
And an interesting statistic is that something like 98% of teams that win a superbowl have an mvp or player of the year on the team. Not necessarily the same year as the award but at some point in their career.
The lesson from that stat is that you can’t win the big one without elite talent, and the Bucs let that walk right out the door.
Our best hopes right now are LvD or GMC.
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Duh, there’s never been a CB to win NFL MVP….besides that, he was damaged goods and will never approach the same level he was when he was a Jet.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
LOVIE DESTROYED THIS TEAM, IS THAT WHAT HE WAS BROUGHT IN FOR ??
HE SHOULD BE FIRED AT THE END OF THE SEASON, NO OWNERS IN THERE RIGHT MINE WILL KEEP A COACH LIKE THIS, ALL OF HIS JUDGEMENTS WAS WRONG ON THE FIELD EVERY THING!! IF THE GLAZERS DON’T FIRE THIS NUT OF A COACH THEN THE GLAZERS WILL LOOSE A LOT OF MONEY AND FANS AND IT WILL BE HARD TO GET THE FANS BACK, THERE NEEDS TO BE A BAG OVER THE HEAD DAY AT THE GAME BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON, SAYING ****FIRE LOVIE****
December 9th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Percy harvin? Trent Richardson, rgIII, Jay cutler., want me to keep going on terrible trades? Hershall Walker, I can keep going.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
Revis is paid exactly at market. Sherman makes $15 million a year and everyone concedes Revis is better. Lovie just can’t work with elite talent unless they fit his scheme. It’s disgusting we let go of a top 5 defensive player so Lovie could sign a bunch of scrubs instead. Todd Bowles and Dan Quinn run laps around Lovie as a defensive coach.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
History says firing Gruden was the biggest mistake. Allen was a terrible GM and should have gone but not Gruden. Paying for it now in several ways as we wonder through the wilderness with zero leadership
December 9th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
@nate_tweetz: McCoy counted 15 Million against the cap entering this season. With the contract extension his average salary actually decreased.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
I said this last year, thanks for reiterating it now Joe.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
The problem is that Lovie is too stupid to figure out how to run a man to man scheme. Revis is a top three defensive player in the league and we let him walk and got nothing for him after trading a number one and what ended up being a number four. As bad as this team was last year this years team is even worse. It takes a special talent to take a 4-12 team and make them worse but Lovie seems to have mastered it.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
The mistake was on Dom and Schiano for bringing Revis here in the first place.
There were plenty of FA CBs available for much cheaper than Revis, many of which are still doing good things this year (Example: Brent Grimes).
Not to mention the 1st and 4th Rd. pick they gave up for a Rent-a Player who is only concerned with money.
Sure could have used those draft picks!!!!!
That was a HORRIBLE trade! Am I the only one seeing this?
How many more wins would the Bucs’ have this year with the $16,000,000 man?
Go Sucs!
December 9th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
The Bucs should have never let Revis into the building. Like Revis was worth the price. Just a flighty grasp at a big name who played only so so with the Bucs. His impact was negligible. Revis just used the chumps in Tampa, he did’nt want to be here. Move on, terrible decision that set the Bucs back further. I’ll be pulling for the Pats to be one and done in the playoffs.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
This is not the worst trade of all-time for the Bucs. It’s right there in the mix, which really says something when you look back on all the ridiculous trades the team made in the 80’s, but the Booker Reese trade was the worst Bucs trade of all-time, as it cost the team Dan Marino the following season.
The problem with the Revis trade wasn’t necessarily the trade itself, it was the ridiculous contract given to Revis by Mark Dominick that did the team in. It was a lose/lose situation for the Bucs; in order for Revis to stay with Tampa, they needed to pay him one million per game, however, because the team had so many other holes on the roster, taking a flier on Revis and giving up multiple draft picks was not a smart football decision. When Revis refused to reduce his contract, his trade value dropped to zero and the Bucs had no choice but to release him when they did so the team could recoup it’s 2nd round draft choice.
If Revis would have been willing to play for $12 million per season in Tampa, he’d still be a Buccaneer. He wanted to test the open market to see if he could get more, and at the very least, he got $12 million while playing for a Super Bowl contender on a contract that will allow him to hit the open market for what will likely be one last gigantic payday in the offseason.
One last thing: J.J. Watt is winning defensive player of the year, there is no doubt about that at all. Revis has been great this season, but he’s no Watt. No one is.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
The Revis deal never should have happened. It was a mistake from the beginning. A desperation move by Dom and Schiano trying to save their jobs.
I don’t fault L&L for walking away from a bad deal to begin with. It wasn’t just $16M this year – it was $16M next year and the next and the next – on a CB. If he was worth $16M a year – then somebody else would have offered him that the day he was released. Pats are paying him $12M this year and he will make roughly the same next year as well – wherever he winds up because he probably won’t be playing for New England next year.
December 9th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Perspective Is Relative
Darrell Revis
• 5× Pro Bowl (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013)
• 3× AP First Team All-Pro (2009, 2010, 2011)
• AFC Defensive Player of the Year (2009)
• Tackles (382)
• Quarterback sacks (2.0)
• Interceptions (23)
• Forced fumbles (6)
Are his accolades that much better than his peers? Or are we living in an age where everything is overhyped by biased experts with better camera angles?
In Comparison is Revis’s stats that much better than….
Ty Law
• 5× Pro Bowl (1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005)
• 2× All-Pro (1998, 2003)
• 3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX)
• NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
• Tackles (449)
• Quarterback sacks (5.0)
• Interceptions (53)
or
Sam Madison
• 4× Pro Bowl (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
• 3× All-Pro (1999, 2000, 2001)
• Tackles (471)
• Interceptions (38)
• Sacks (2.0)
• Forced fumbles (10)
• Passes defensed (81)
Or
Everson Walls
Hanford Dixon
Frank Minnifield
Albert Lewis
Troy Vincent
Most of these guys have better stats, even rings and yet not one has entered the Hall.
December 9th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
i was always of the mindset that you let him dominate in a bucs uni this year (sure would’ve helped our incompetent pass rush the first half of the season), and then you can actually demand something in trade or make a judgement call on a more conventional contract. instead, for the right to draft charles sims and pay guys like michael johnson, we CUT the best CB in the league and let a first round pick vanish into thin air.
December 9th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Revis plays in the most pass friendly, anti-defense era of football ever. So context would be nice to show just how great he is. If he got to play in the more physical era he’d be even greater.
December 9th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
I’m mostly upset with the picks we lost while rehabbing him for the douches in Boston.
December 9th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
Lester “Stickem” Hayes is arguably one of greatest shutdown cornerbacks in NFL history and he’s still not in the hall.
December 9th, 2014 at 3:30 pm
Finding all pro talent is the hardest thing when building a roster. When you find it, you don’t let it walk out for nothing in return, especialy when you are paying him $0 garanteed dollars.
December 9th, 2014 at 6:21 pm
As we see on the DL, we have one good DE and one bad DE and guess where the other team goes, to the bad DE. It is the same with LBs, DB, OL and special teams. So to say one person by himself would make a difference is hard to do when we had a DB problem.
Now fortunately our HC sees these things immediately and corrects them, but unfortunately it is on his fantasy football team.
December 9th, 2014 at 6:33 pm
Reavis got exposed by Jordy Nelson last week who beat the gimpy legged corner like a rented mule on a 1 on 1 crossing pattern. The NFL is a copycat league so he can expect to see more of that in the future.
Once his lack of high end speed is spotlighted, he will have to retire and then you morons can try to get him elected to the HOF like all the rest of thenex Bucs who you ignorant posers think went on to All World status.
Let’s see, Steve Young and uh, ummm, hmmm, zzzzzzzzzzz.
December 10th, 2014 at 3:18 am
It’s not even that that will echo through history… or at least in my mind…. It’s what we gave up for him, to then let him walk for no return. I don’t know where we look worse, giving up a first and fourth to NYC or letting him walk after the Pro Bowl… haha this franchise…