Needing A Quarterback
December 5th, 2014
In a list of teams that need a starting quarterback most, the Bucs are in the top-five.
If any sober, objective fan has watched the Bucs and not come away with the impression the team needs much better quarterback play, then Joe suggest they’ve been gawking at the cheerleaders for a few plays too many.
The quarterback position, sans a handful of plays, has been a disaster.
While Lovie’s savior Josh McCown has intangibles through the roof, his turnovers make fans throw up on their shoes.
Evidence suggests Mike Glennon, once trumpeted by Lovie as the “quarterback of the future” is now the “quarterback of the past,” since he has been benched by Lovie twice now. Even Lovie’s trusted mentor, noted quarterback guru Father Dungy himself, spanked Lovie publicly for not playing Glennon with the season being lost long ago.
If one is to believe the words typed by Field Yates of BSPN, the Bucs are not the team in greatest need of a starting QB, but not far off. In fact, Yates has the Bucs listed in the top-five of teams that need an effective signal-caller.
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Josh McCown was signed to a two-year, free-agent contract this past offseason, but that was more likely rooted in Tampa Bay’s belief that the roster was ready to compete for the playoffs right away rather than viewing him as the starter of the future. Mike Glennon has had promising moments during his one-plus NFL seasons, but he doesn’t seem to have impressed the new regime enough to view him as a viable starting option going forward.
Joe can only judge actions. McCown would be a nice bridge to a new quarterback, a helluva big brother to a younger quarterback but he is in no way a quarterback that can lead a team to the playoffs.
Again, judging by actions, it seems Lovie has come to the conclusion that Glennon, too, is not the quarterback to lead the Bucs. There simply is no logical reason not to start Glennon if you really believe in the guy. Otherwise, you are setting the kid up to fail next season.
So it sure looks like, based on actions, the 2015 starting quarterback is not on the Bucs’ roster. Whether that quarterback is acquired by draft, trade or free agency, time will only tell.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
Yep, agree with all that. Lovie never gave Glennon a true shot…no in the offseason and not during the season. Maybe 2 bad games and probably 3 bad throws he would like to have back. But so what, every QB in history has made bad throws.
Lovie (wrongly) isn’t giving him a shot. And if I were Glennon, I wouldn’t want to play for him anyway. Pretty apparent that Lovie is SOOO overrated as a head coach.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:14 pm
Who cares who the quarterback is if they have D-linemen up their ass before they can take a three step drop? It all starts up front, remember? It’s cliche for a reason. You can’t win if you can’t protect your QB. I do not care who is under center, if they have no protection then they will fail.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
Lovie is possibly going into next year off 2-14. He needs to win. Drafting a rookie to sit isn’t helping. He doesn’t trust young guys at all (see Mike Jenkins over Banks, McCown over Glennon etc…), so he’s not drafting a QB to start.
It really sucks, but Lovie really, really, really thinks he can win 10 games with McCown, or Brian Hoyer, or another vet. QB not until the 4th, if at all. Welcome to Lovieball
December 5th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Mort’s got it right. Until the o-line can run AND give the QB a few seconds to let a play develop, nobody’s going to succeed
December 5th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
QB Options of the Future.
I like Glennon but dont see him staying because Lovie is an idiot. So Trade Glennon for a draft pick.
Need a veteran QB
Hoyer or Sam Bradford or Ryan Mallatt even mark sanchez i would consider.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
Glennon was given a fair shot he just can not be a successful nfl QB without 10 all pros starting with him. I didn’t hear Rogers making excuses about his horrible line the last few yesrs. Rogers was pummeled. A qb has to make people around him better not the other way around. Glennon is slow, can’t read defensive alignments, can’t throw a deep ball nor raise the play of players around him. Not to mention the more he plays the worse he looks. You people accepting mediocrity baffles me. 8 had 18 games to grab the reigns and he FAILED!!! All I hear is excuse s. Excuses are like a-holes everyone has one.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
Lovie continues the tradition of losing Bucs ball. It seems MG never had a chance to improve with the team, despite those who say he sucks.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
Trade back maybe twice in the 1st round but not too far down the draft board. Winston will be there later in the 1st because his stock will fall for various reasons.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Glennon doesn’t have the intangibles you look for in an nfl QB. He’s stiff and slow. He has no pocket awareness. He isn’t clutch. he gives up on plays too early. He can’t extend a drive with his legs. He isn’t even remotely accurate with the deep ball. He isn’t consistent with his intermediate throws. I really can’t say 1 positive thing I’ve seen from Glennon. He doesn’t excel at anything.
Can anyone tell me anything that Glennon does on an above average level? Accuracy? Arm strength? Pocket awareness? Speed? Agility? Leadership? Passion? I honestly can say he is not in the top 20 of any of those categories.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
Bradford can’t play more than 5 games a year without getting hurt.
Hover is horrible
Ryan Mallett failed when given a golden opportunity
Mark Sanchez would be ok but the one thing you all are not accounting for is will any OC or QB want to play / coach for Lovie given his track record. The most positive selling point the bucs have to a qb or OC is mike evans and no state income tax. That’s it
December 5th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Trubucfan —- very well said.
And the answer no to those very basic questions asked
December 5th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
The defense will be good from the jump in 2015 so keep and start McCown again in 2015 while the rookie QB watches from the sideline and learns. The 2015 draft was good for the Bucs but FA set them back. Not only do they need to hit big again in the 2015 draft but they also need to hit FA with some good contributors. They need to get a veteran returner in FA and a good punter in the draft or FA. Then the defense and special teams will be good to go for 2015. The offense should be a focus again in the draft LG,C,RG,QB, WR (with great speed and good hands), this should be done in the draft so that they don’t over spend in FA.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
And yes trust me. I’m off the McCown wagon as well. But to claim Glennon wasn’t given a chance is absurd. McCown was healthy for 2 or so weeks before they moved back to him. Glennon showed nothing to warrant any more consideration. He couldn’t stay upright, and he couldn’t get first downs. We were the worst team in the nfl in third down conversion when Glennon was our QB. Yes Glennon usually doesn’t throw many interceptions. That’s probably his one and only positive. But I don’t think that is enough to say he is anything special. Anyone could be ultra conservative with the football. It takes guts to throw into a small window, knowing if you miss that window you’ll get picked off. But the great qbs still make that throw, for better or worse, you gotta make a play. I’ve never seen Glennon throw into a window. His specialty throw is the wr comeback, or TE sitting in a hole. He rarely throws to a guy in stride, and the rare occasion he does, its usually not an easy catch for the wr. I can’t recall how many times mike Evans bailed out Glennon on a horribly under thrown ball.
Ok I’m ranting again. I’ll stop now.
December 5th, 2014 at 2:59 pm
Lovie prob won’t have much input in the QB next year.
In order to even remotely have a chance to get a quality OC they will have to throw the QB of choice in on the deal.
December 5th, 2014 at 3:04 pm
Imo we should draft the best OT available in the first round for the next 4 years. We will be guaranteed a stud o line by the end of that 4 years. Second round draft the best G/C for the next 3. Create competition with young and hungry rookies, With loads of talent. i really don’t see how this could fail. Then it doesn’t matter who our rb is. He should have tons of room to run behind an amazing o line. Our QB no matter who it is should have some time to throw, and with mike Evans and whoever replaces Jackson at wr, we should be tough to defend. Our o line has dragged down this team for long enough. Fix the o line and we should walk into the playoffs for years to come. Fans and coaches always want the splash draft picks. But we need to just build an o line. ASJ and sims have done virtually nothing for us. Wasted picks. Draft o lineman with talent, not 6th rounders.
December 5th, 2014 at 3:05 pm
billy buckaroo – Lovie is far too stubborn to give up any control or compromise. After he is done collecting his retirement from the glazer clowns. it will be at least 3 to 5 years before the bucs are relevant and recovered from this garbage regime.
December 5th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
Nothing will change until they fix their offensive line issues. Work on that, then put a QB in behind a solid line. The best teams in the league have strong offensive lines who can actually run block AND pass protect.
December 5th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
At this point in Rodgers career he was still on the bench. Rodgers is also playing with one of the best offensive minds in the game at HC as well. If you want to make comparisons about Glennon, at least make them with a younger QB that has overcome the issues. I think Glennon would be successful with a team like the Saints where he can sit behind Brees and be developed by a HC that’s one of the other best offensive minds in the game. We don’t have that here and I’m all for drafting a QB in the top 5 to be our game changer.
December 5th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
Always remember and never forget: Kenyatta Walker started for a Super Bowl winner.
December 5th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Take Mariota in the 1st and then get some OL and D players in the other rounds. Look for another RB if possible as well.
December 5th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Need an O-line just as much or more.
December 5th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
@ TruBucfan22 and tmaxcon:
“Can anyone tell me anything that Glennon does on an above average level? Accuracy? Arm strength? Pocket awareness? Speed? Agility? Leadership? Passion? I honestly can say he is not in the top 20 of any of those categories.”
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Here is one thing you’ve overlooked. He throws touchdown passes.
Offensive line or no offensive line, only THREE QBs have thrown for more TDs in their first 19 games, than MG8′s 29 TDs.
Russell Wilson with 32 TDs in his first nineteen games.
Aaron Rodgers with 32 TDs, but he didn’t play until his fourth year in NFL.
Peyton Manning with 33 TDs, but also had 33 INTs in those 19 games.
I hope MG8 gets traded.
tickrdr
December 5th, 2014 at 4:17 pm
Josh McCown has been a class act. Here is his reward. He gets to stay one more year and mentor our young QB. He’s viewed as a 2nd string Q.B. as well as the Bucs QB coach. He begins to lay the foundation for a coaching career. He seems to be well equipped for such a career if he has any desire.
December 5th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
This conversation is getting tired and we’re not even done with 2014.
How can you know what you have in a young QB in another rebuilding year? The comparison to Rodgers is absolutely ludicrous, by the way.
Here’s something to chew on: Mark Sanchez was best when he had a solid run game and great defense. He was not relied upon to hurl the ball in these ridiculous schemes that maybe 3 QBs in the entire league can run with success.
Glennon aside, does anyone here really think that we are one QB short of being good? Really? If the Bucs don’t shore up that OL it won’t matter who the QB is. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
Joe- When Kenyatta(aka Julius Pepper’s beeeyatch) Walker won the Bowl well, I don’t know why I’m telling you, but, uh hello defense. We probably could’ve gone without the offense! (I jest, of course!)
December 5th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
Really hope we don’t trade the Giraffe. I’d love to have him on as the backup or competition to our new QB for the next few years. I just have “that” feeling if he goes to another team he will make us regret it like we have let QB’s go so many times before.
But Lovie will not get anywhere on this team if he doesn’t fix the offense. The man is a headcoach, not a defensive coordinator. I don’t care how defensive minded he is, he needs to piece this offense together, and it starts with an OC and a QB. Also hire another GM so you don’t bulldoze an already bad O-line and replace it with a worse O-line like you have done this season. Licht is nothing more than a chain-whipped lapdog.
If this is how a full Lovie controlled team looks, the Glazers need to shorten his leash. FA and trades have been matched by no other team this year in terms of how fuccing horrible they were.
December 5th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
@tickdr
Add that he doesn’t throw as many moronic INT’S as some of our other starting QB’s over the years.
December 5th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
They will pay for Hoyer. It will all depend on their perceptions of the big two( Mariota,Winston). New offensive coordinator will play into part of it also. I believe Lovie is like Gruden and likes a guy with experience
December 5th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
I have no dog in this fight but the simple fact of the matter was Glennon was regressing, not progressing at his position. His last two games may have been his worst.
December 5th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
Mallett failed when given a golden opportunity??
Really?? Was that before or after he tore his pec muscle in his 2nd game starting?? Just stop talking
To the Glennon lovers this ONE stat alone should be why you NEVER look to his stupid QB rating and should be looking at his Total QBR. Also, don’t say his TD-Int ratio is purely why you think he is good because he clearly isn’t the answer for us at QB.
Colt McCoy last week
31-47 for 392 Yards 3 TD 0 INT
Total QBR 26.7 (Max 100) QB Raiting 113.1 (Max 158.3 I think?)
December 5th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
Joe Says:
December 5th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
Nothing will change until they fix their offensive line issues. Work on that, then put a QB in behind a solid line. The best teams in the league have strong offensive lines who can actually run block AND pass protect.
Always remember and never forget: Kenyatta Walker started for a Super Bowl winner.
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Sooooooo, are you saying we just need a Brad Johnson or what?
Jameis and Brad are very different in case you didnt know.
We need OL and DL for at least another yr before we think about QB
December 5th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
Phillip Says:
December 5th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
“should be looking at his Total QBR. Also, don’t say his TD-Int ratio is purely why you think he is good because he clearly isn’t the answer for us at QB”.
Colt McCoy last week
31-47 for 392 Yards 3 TD 0 INT
Total QBR 26.7 (Max 100) QB Raiting 113.1 (Max 158.3 I think?)
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Now I get it. You’re saying Colt McCoy having 392 yards passing and THREE TDs is …….. BAD…………… because his QBR was only 26.7! Are you the one who said MG8 only threw 50 mph at the combine?
tickrdr
December 5th, 2014 at 7:06 pm
Clearly you didn’t watch the game… Until you do you probably shouldn’t speak on the issue.
No I didn’t say that he only threw that at the combine… I know the stat but I didn’t say it…
Go repeat your numbers numerous times in every post because you clearly look at numbers only..
December 5th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
No Joe. All our problems will be over once we draft the Felon. That’s assuming the league will let him play with an ankle monitor. I love all the pointless talk. LOL.
December 6th, 2014 at 12:55 am
Thank you tickrdr for setting TruBucfan22 and tmaxcon straight. To bad Phillip cant read and understand. Lovey is afraid to trade Glennon because he knows what he’s capable of, but to but headed to let him play because Glennon has pissed him off some way and Lovey is known for carrying grudges. Sorta like Big Dog wouldn’t you say?
December 6th, 2014 at 1:04 am
tickrdr Says:
December 5th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
@ TruBucfan22 and tmaxcon:
“Can anyone tell me anything that Glennon does on an above average level? Accuracy? Arm strength? Pocket awareness? Speed? Agility? Leadership? Passion? I honestly can say he is not in the top 20 of any of those categories.”
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Here is one thing you’ve overlooked. He throws touchdown passes.
Offensive line or no offensive line, only THREE QBs have thrown for more TDs in their first 19 games, than MG8′s 29 TDs.
Russell Wilson with 32 TDs in his first nineteen games.
Aaron Rodgers with 32 TDs, but he didn’t play until his fourth year in NFL.
Peyton Manning with 33 TDs, but also had 33 INTs in those 19 games.
I hope MG8 gets traded.
tickrdr
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Touch downs mean nothing behind loses. Congrats he averages 1.5 tds a game.
Please tell me you believe that Glennon has presented himself like a franchise qb this year. I can go all day with what’s wrong with Glennon and his lover boys will always bring up his weak TD:int ratio. Acting like he’s doing enough to win games for us or something… Yeah the team isn’t all that good as a whole, but Glennon has not looked good at all. Please excuse me if I don’t hang my hat on a qb that throws 40 times a game can get a whole 1.5 tds (mostly in garbage time).
December 6th, 2014 at 1:07 am
No one has ever set me straight when it come to Glennon. A few garbage time tds do not mean he is the next Peyton manning. Stop trying to compare him with all time great QBs. You are just making yourselves look silly.
December 6th, 2014 at 1:12 am
A qb is more than just a stat machine. You got to actually watch film on the guy. If you guys actually watched mike Glennon play qb you would probably have the same opinion on him that anyone who has watched him has. He’s just not good. He can make a surprise play here or there, he can put together a drive maybe once or twice a game. But that’s it. After that he goes full conservative and throws half his balls out of bounds.
December 6th, 2014 at 1:30 am
MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:
December 5th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
@tickdr
Add that he doesn’t throw as many moronic INT’S as some of our other starting QB’s over the years.
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You are right, Glennon doesn’t throw that many ints. He has a hard time completing passes to either team. Here’s a gem that doesn’t get added to glennon’s untouchable int stat.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ugly-mike-glennon-turnover-prevents-buccaneers-from-scoring-120113
December 6th, 2014 at 7:32 am
jo_mama Says:
December 5th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
QB Options of the Future.
I like Glennon but dont see him staying because Lovie is an idiot. So Trade Glennon for a draft pick.
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You like Glennon yet it is Lovie, the guy that has this terrible team competing every week, is the idiot? Something isn’t right about that logic.
December 6th, 2014 at 10:45 am
Trubucfan22 Says:
December 6th, 2014 at 1:04 am
“Touch downs mean nothing behind loses.”……….
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Yet only those three QBs had more TDs (meaningless, I know) in their first 19 games in the league. Not Flacco, not Rivers, not Newton, not Ryan, not Roethlisberger, not RG III, not even Andrew Luck. None of them threw more of those meaningless things called TDs. SMH.
tickrdr
December 6th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Your side of the debate here isn’t even worth refuting again. So he has a lot of TDs as a rookie QB. Ok I’ll give him that
Now please tell me in what category is Glennon an above average qb. Accuracy, arm strength, pocket awareness, ability to escape the pocket, ability to extend play, speed, agility, reading defenses, toughness, passion, leadership.
Let me know which of those things Glennon is better than the top 15 qbs in his league. Also while you’re at it, let me know where glennon’s ranks for third down conversion percentage when he is in at qb. I guarantee he is dead last in the NFL. The single most important down when trying to keep a drive alive, and he is in the bottom of the barrel.
December 6th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
Trubucfan22 Says:
December 6th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
……………..”So he has a lot of TDs as a rookie QB. Ok I’ll give him that
Now please tell me in what category is Glennon an above average qb. Accuracy, arm strength, pocket awareness, ability to escape the pocket, ability to extend play, speed, agility, reading defenses, toughness, passion, leadership.
Let me know which of those things Glennon is better than the top 15 qbs in his league.
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Now we’re having a discussion! So you acknowledged that Glennon had a lot of passing TDs for only 18.5 games of experience in the NFL. More than most in fact, given the same level of inexperience.
So, I will also acknowledge that MG 8 may not be in the top 15 at this point in his career in ANY of those categories. Now, I have a similar question for you.
Out of all of those categories you mentioned, can you name ONE which is more important than throwing TD passes?
Is it unreasonable to expect that with more experience and a better team/offensive philosophy, that he might do even better? ( Sorry that’s two questions)
tickrdr