Lovie “Ruined” Bucs
December 22nd, 2014
Before Joe gets rolling here, let’s address the (Alabama?) elephant in the room: Barring something totally unforeseen, Lovie Smith will return next year as head coach. Joe’s willing to lay cash on this.
There haven’t been any signs, rumors, hints or tips coming from One Buc Palace that Lovie is in danger. Everything points to a return. Now Joe has stated many times before, and will again, if Joe had to slap a grade on Lovie, it would be an “F.”
How could he not get such a grade when he gutted the roster and the team finishes one loss away from the worst record in the NFL?
Even with the progress that the defense has made lately, the offense and the record and the personnel moves were that bad.
Frank Schwab of Yahoo! Sports believes Lovie’s work this season was so awful, he may want to have a real estate agent on speed dial.
If you’re ranking NFL coaches this year, Smith checks in at No. 32. Wait, the Raiders have had two coaches this year. So make it No. 33 for Smith.
Smith ruined the Buccaneers, and if he were fired after one season, it would be justified. A 2-13 team hasn’t played Mike Glennon, last year’s all-rookie quarterback, since Nov. 2. Josh McCown, who is 35 years old, was 12-of-26 for 147 yards and looked awful in a 20-3 loss to the Packers, but he was never pulled. Remember, the reason McCown was signed and is starting is because Smith needs to feel comfortable with a veteran quarterback, apparently no matter how bad that veteran is. This is coaching malpractice.
It is pretty bad, again, factoring in the defensive progress. The Bucs defense, which began as woeful as the offense currently is, right now is not bad at all, if not good.
The offense? Joe’s running out of adjectives to describe how heinous it is. Also, the lack of discipline this team shows, specifically on offense, eventually falls on the desk of Lovie.
While Joe is 98 percent convinced Lovie will return, there is always the Team Glazer wild card. Look, if they can run the only coach in franchise history (Chucky) to win a Super Bowl, after consecutive 9-7 seasons with three years left on his contract, they can sure as heck wave goodbye to Lovie.
Remember: Since 2003, only two coaches (Marty Schottenheimer and Steve Spagnuolo) led their teams to the No. 1 overall draft pick and survived to coach that pick.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:09 pm
Coaching malpractice is 100% correct!!! Lovie has turned us into an absolute horrible team, a team that is so inept in every phase of the game that it can’t even compete in the worst division possiblyin nfl history. This team has regressed since last year in every way INCLUDING defense. The defense last year was better than this and they played powerhouse teams unlike the schedule the Bucs played this year. Lovie is a joke and needs to be fired!
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:11 pm
Obviuosly ownership has not been capable of finding a way to get this team right. So why expect anything different next year. I am now stuck in the “I’ll believe it when I see it ” mode. Not expecting much anymore…..
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:14 pm
I thought Schiano deserved a third year, and it turns out I was right…
Lovie will most likely be here, but I am all for gettin him fired. The quote from the yahoo article above touches on my exact beef with this situation: Lovie’s refusal to sit McCown down.
I am 110% without confidence in Lovie’s ability to assess offensive talent, specifically the QB and O-Line positions….
Can we get Jim Harbaugh?
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:14 pm
Cant wait for Lovie to lie some more at the press confrence later!!
“We continue to get better and Grow as a team”
Seriously?
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:16 pm
Are any of the few Buc fans out there truly confident that Lovie can draft and develop a rookie QB? Brandon, Patrick in VA, do you guys really think Lovie can get the job done with a rookie QB?
Back to your basement, Lovie, all because you refused to play the best players and sit the worst. Your stubborness and refusal to show humility should get you canned.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Lovie is a DC,not a head coach. Lovie’s coaching style will never bring a Championship to Tampa.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:23 pm
It looks like this year, the coaches that drove their teams to the Nos. 1 and 2 picks, Bucs and Titans, will BOTH survive to make those picks. When is the last time that happened?
Also, both (Lovie and Whisenhunt) are first-year coaches who previously made Super Bowl appearances.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:24 pm
It seems to me that Licht continues to get a pass….Not saying criticism for Lovie isn’t warranted….it cettainly is….but either Licht is responsible for some of this or he is such a lapdog he is totally irrelevant.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:25 pm
For the love of God – let’s stop talking about Schiano!!!
Here’s the suck list:
schiano
Raheem
Lovie
Dominik
Freeman
Glennon
The rest is a windfall – byproduct of the decisions of the above listed. After next year please hire the right coach!
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:26 pm
How can you possibly justify firing Lovie Smith when one of the most important components of his cog – Tedford – bailed out? If you did that, you really wouldn’t have to worry about getting a coach worth anything to coach this team. Greg Schiano was HORRIFUL! He set this franchise back light years!
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn…. Why else would you start a 35 year old journeyman in place of the “future” at quarterback. Joe was right many weeks ago in that there is no Logical reason to play McCown. NONE. Yet he continues to do so. Amazing.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Defense has been completely revamped and is plaing better this year without three of their starters.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Schiano was blamed for MRSA and Freeman’s melt down.
Lovie gets a pass for being to stubborn to bench his hand picked players.
Lovie should be canned.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Lovie has control of all personnel decisions. So Licht is by default a puppet, he’s a GM in title only but he has very little say in the makeup of the roster. We moronically handed Lovie the keys to the car despite his utterly horrible track record of talent evaluation. Now the Glazers can either swallow their pride (and some cash) and get us back on the right track and fire Lovie, or they can decide to be hard headed and keep driving us down the path to mediocrity and continued irrelevancy.
Lovie is not a good coach no matter what his defenders will come here and say. Remember, Lovie only made the playoffs 3 out of 9 years with consistent top 10 defenses and the best returner ever. Some guys are just meant to be co-ordinators. Lovie happens to be one of those guys.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:31 pm
Frank Schwab of Yahoo Sports obviously isn’t a “true football fan”
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:32 pm
part of me hopes that lovie is just being the ultimate team player, opting to look like a buffoon rather than admit he is tanking for the long-term good of this talent-bankrupt franchise. even in the most extreme of scenarios, i don’t imagine this is how he intended to come into the job, but once he saw how far away this team was in training camp (including some turds he is 100% responsible for), perhaps he urged jeff tedford to stay home and kept the bubble wrap on #8, one of his more useful trade chips for next offseason and a greater threat than mccown to push them away from the 1st overall pick. so, yeah, here’s to hoping lovie is playing some of the best poker of his life right now and comes out firing with a new QB and OC, retooled OL, and tuned up defense in 2015.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Offense is just horrible after the offensive coordinator helps select the unit and then offensive scheme quits.
Can both of these be attributed to Lovie or just the offense.
This guy on Yahoo sounds like a real Mike Glennon fan.
Listen, I don’t care which one the team starts, I will support both, but Glennon was benched because his performance was regressing, it’s as simple as that.
Glennon had a golden opportunity to grab the reins of this team and be the leader and instead he dropped them and they brought back in Willie Pep.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Interesting that McCown has averaged the LEAST Points per game by any Bucs qb with 10 starts in a season since 1976 ….in 10 starts he has only put up over 17 pts once and if you take out the Defensive td in the skins game , in 10 starts he never went over 20 pts….LOVIE should be Fired for this alone …
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:41 pm
When Glennon started, we were ahead in the 4th quarter in 80% (4/5) of his starts. The only game he didn’t was the game against Baltimore where he faced the most pressure a QB faced in 2 years. McCown has had us ahead in the 4th quarter only 3 times in 10 tries. No matter how much you wanna hate Mike Glennon, you’re just delusional if you don’t think he gave us a better chance to win all year. And don’t come back with some snap about how they’re both backups, he is better. Meaning the better player was passed over for the veteran player.
Sorry folks but that’s Lovie the talent evaluator. He’s pure garbage. He legitimately believed Devin Hester was a #1 receiver. Seriously. And people want this loser building this roster?
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:44 pm
Team Glazer, curveball please!
Glad you cited this piece Joe. Facts don’t lie.
BTW, the article ended with the question of why you’d want to give Lovie a first overall pick at QB. Pretty good one too, No?
Get an offensive minded HC. Get Mariotta. Wish Lovie well. Hell even keep Frasier for some continuity.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:47 pm
This whole season comes down to Lovie. He was given the keys and the check book with full control. Something went sour with Tedford and we will never know the full story. The offense had to learn a new system anyway so a new OC could have been brought in. HE made the line a mess and both McCown and Glennon got killed when they played. Both had to run for their life . No QB could have done anythig here. The running game never developed. There was nobody to teach Glennon a damn thing. McClown? Well we see what he could teach him. Arroyo was to busy playing OC. Will anyone want to work with this crap HC.
If the Glazers allow him to keep complete control and do not expect this to happen again then they are real fools.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:49 pm
bucrightoff Says:
When Glennon started, we were ahead in the 4th quarter in 80% (4/5) of his starts.
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Let’s not let the facts get in the way of the story.
Lovie handpicked McCown and Glennon never, ever was going to start here. If Lovie could have traded him, Kafka was your #2 this year.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:51 pm
SteveK Says:
Schiano was blamed for MRSA and Freeman’s melt down.
Lovie gets a pass for being to stubborn to bench his hand picked players.
Lovie should be canned.
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December 22nd, 2014 at 2:51 pm
If lovie really believes he has played the best players that gives us the best chance to win than that should be all anyone needs to see that he does not have a clue what it will take to build a good team…
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:54 pm
I have to think (hope) that if Lovie is sticking around for 2015, then it’s because a QB will be drafted with the first or second overall pick in the draft.
Maybe this is the NFL equivalent of tanking for a draft pick, that we are witnessing as fans. Bring in Glennon while the team still has somewhat of a chance in a bad division, evaluate him and if the season goes south, pull him for the career backup veteran and just play out the string of games and hope for the best. When the Raiders upset the Chiefs, I have to think that finishing with the number one pick became a desirable option for at least the Glazer family, and Lovie isn’t an idiot (regardless of what is happening on the field, the man is a professional).
What is Lovie Smith supposed to say during these press conferences if the team is indeed tanking? I’ve either listened or read several of Lovie’s comments as of late, and it goes beyond the typical empty coach speak. I have to think that Lovie and Licht have had the appropriate discussions with the Glazer family to ensure them that a QB would be drafted in April and when teams like Oakland and Jacksonville and New York pulled off their upsets and with the Bucs having no chance to win the division, the plan has to be (better be) to get a damn franchise QB on the team.
If Josh McCown is trotted out on the field as the starter with Mike Glennon as the backup in 2015, this team, from the ownership to the coach to the GM, will have failed on a spectacular level, and quite frankly I could see record lows in attendance and overall interest. One more game, Lovie, don’t screw it up.
December 22nd, 2014 at 2:56 pm
From the movie Apocalypse Now:
Deep within his cave in Cambodia, after witnessing the latest Buccaneer loss, Col. Kurtz utters the famous words:
“The horror, the horror……….”
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:04 pm
People who are so down on lovie don’t understand the difficult to get a group of 53+ people to work in harmony to win. Especially in the first year. This takes time. And Robbie Goulds praise of how Lovies locker rooms were naught taught to be the way it has fallen apart this year with leaks. Joe is saying this year is no drama, that’s improvement. Improvement may not manifest itself in wins, yet.
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:11 pm
The NFL is a business, and as with any business, mismanagement starts at the top. Unlike the Culverhouse regime, the Glaziers have always seemed to be willing to throw money at a problem. That’s all good, but if the money isn’t being spent wisely, the product will never be good. The Glaziers are, and should be credited with turning this franchise around, but who ever saw a 360 coming. It’s hard to pinpoint whether all of this went bad when papa Glazier became ill or when the ownership dove head first into a different form of football, but it’s undeniable something changed with this ownership group. I honestly do not see a brighter future for this organization until this team is sold.
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:11 pm
“If you’re ranking NFL coaches this year, Smith checks in at No. 32. Wait, the Raiders have had two coaches this year. So make it No. 33 for Smith.
Smith ruined the Buccaneers!”
Yep… Made a mockery of the HC position, made a laughingstock of the team, ran many fans off to cheer for other teams and made many others question why we should remain a Bucs fan 1 more day with him getting a pass on rightfully earning the 32nd (33rd) ranking in the NFL… 1st year NFL Coaches out of college out coached him by miles…. Wasn’t even close… I would rather have any one of them over Lovie “This is the way we’re doing it regardless of the losing it is causing” Smith…
Sure thinking about scouting teams this off season to follow if Lovie remains the Bucs HC… At least until he is sent packing as he deserves!
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:26 pm
I have watched the Bucs since 1977 and McKown may be one of the worst quarterbacks we have had. I am thinking of Jack the Throwin Samoan, Randy Hedburg, Terry Hanraty, Steve Deberg (yes Deberg, I remember one game he threw 4 pics and we left the stadium but before we got to our car he had thrown 2 more.) The worst play I have ever seen a quarterback make was McKown fumbling the ball like a rookie only to pick it up and throw an interception. I was thinking I was watching a High School qb. Lovie amazed me yesterday sticking with McKown as bad as he was. Glennon and his brother LOL must have been fuming. I mean how bad to you have to be???? This does not bode well for Lovie. THe guy is just stubborn as hell to go with questionable decision making. I am scared but I like Lovie.
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:33 pm
If he comes back next year, I know a lot of people will have extra well-kept yards with all that extra time on Sundays.
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:34 pm
I like this site bit I must say I read BucsNation and Pewter Report more because the articles are more objective and the “fans” are not a bunch of kids throwing temper tantrums. An article on Bucs Nation went through a list of coaches who had bad first years but turned it around, exs. Bill Bellicheck (sp), Dick Vermeil, Jimmy Johnson, Tom Coughlin, just to name a few. I say give these guys time and they will turn it around.
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Speaking for Brandon and Ddneast
“Lovie smith is a well respected SB coach, real fans get that. It’s not his fault tedford quit on him bc he would not or could not work with mccown. The defense is the best in the league and mccown just needs a few more years to feel comfortable playing the qb position. It takes time. You guys sound like little babies calling for Lovie to get fired. He is the best coach in NFL history. Mike glennon sucks and could not wash mccowns jock strap. Oh and the glazers are the best owners in the league.”
December 22nd, 2014 at 3:59 pm
I still think lovie will.turn it around. I truley do. Realize his mistakes. Draft one of the 2 stud qbs get some REAL effin olinmen. If he doesnt draft a qb and improve the offense then i am through
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:00 pm
There should be accountability somehow, someway. Lovie will most likely be retained for next year. The best thing to do is hire an experienced offensive coordinator and give him the keys to the offense. Lovie can manage the team as a whole, but gets very little say when it comes to the offense, if any at all.
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:04 pm
Drop the HAMMER….Lovie is clearly not the long term Bucs HC….yeah it SUCKS !!!
but take the hit now rather than after 2015 or 2016….
come out ahead
sooner
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:38 pm
Is there such a thing as an F-? He definitely made the team a disaster op epic proportions.
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:40 pm
you guys are a bunch of idiots listening to the nonsense joe puts out on this website…every fan is talking stupidity because it’s not your money, yea fire a guy who just this year signed a 5 year contract and is a proven winner because of his first year on a bad team that had one winning season in like 7 years….idiots to think that this team will only get worse proves how pathetic some of you are. joebucs will be right here next summer having all of you sippin’ the kool aid making you think something that may not be just like he did this offseason only for him to act as if he wasn’t fooled like lovie was….this is like a damn high school forum coming here listening to how pathetic joebucsfans followers are
oh by the way joe are you gonna come on this summer and give your qb expertise like you did for last draft wishing we had picked up johnny football? everybody is overreacting, this season was just as bad as last season no doubt but believe it or not the core players are almost the same except for the line…..
the defensive line will end up with about the same number of sacks as greg schiano’s defense but guess what the line is still better because WE DIDNT HAVE TO BLITZ AND SELL OUT TO GET THESE SACKS, lavonte david and mason foster weren’t in the top of the team in sacks, no corner back blitz, it all came from the line so yea it was better
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:41 pm
Suck for the Duck. We don’t just suck. We Buc Suck. Fire Lovie, please.
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:41 pm
This franchise only has maybe 6 or 7 players they drafted over the last ten years. It started with Bruce Allen, then Dominick, horrible drafts for that long has put this franchise in a terrible spot, totally bereft of talent. Now with Lovie in charge and his terrible talent evaluation I don’t have a lot of hope. maybe i’m wrong. I hope so!
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:46 pm
The Glazers fired Chucky because he never won a playoff game after the Super Bowl.
Lovie, I will say, is stoic and the worst Head Coach to come this way in forever and deserves to be fired because we also need an offensive minded HC that is a leader. He is none of these things.
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:58 pm
How can you ruin a 4-12 franchise lmao.. you guys are fukin delusional let him build the team. [Deleted: sorry, you don’t get to lie about Joe]. –Joe
December 22nd, 2014 at 4:59 pm
Glazers need to sell the team and the HC contracts they have. Let the new owners get everybody they want and go from there.
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Honestly this blog attracts the most ignorant uneducated football fans ive ever seen. Do you Honestly think changing head coaches on a 4-12 team is going to magically turn it into superbowl champs the next year? Lovie walked into a horrible situation only made worse by the 2 previous head coaches.. this will take time to build.
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:07 pm
So if(when) Lovie returns as head coach would yall support him?
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:07 pm
so is someone saying bruce allen was a good gm or that mark dominic was a good gm and they drafted talent here? Gerald McCoy was as obvious as mike evans. we haven’t had talent drafted here since Mckay left and that’s when the talen went down the toilet. damn the gm and the head coach get a 2nd year and being that lovie has a 5 year contract shut up and get over it because he’s not being fired you morons….who the hell is going to take a talentless team and make it to the playoffs in one year…jump off a bridge already
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:18 pm
SteveK Says
“Are any of the few Buc fans out there truly confident that Lovie can draft and develop a rookie QB?”
Are there any that believe ANY defensive minded coach can? Nope. Dumb question.
That’s what offensive coordinators are for.
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:21 pm
@bucs4lyfe
I just don’t get you. In your own comment, you mention talent that was drafted here since after McKay left, and then you say there was none.
You even contradict yourself.
FYI, McCoy. Mike Evans. David. Banks. Sims. Martin. Others.
If you hate this team so much, leave. It’s as simple as that.
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:27 pm
There are always coaches who are willing to take the job. But I DO agree Lovie is staying, and should stay.
90% of the people complaining here predicted a losing season this year, and they were excited about Lovie when they made those predictions.
Did they think the coach would look good even when the team was doing badly? They themselves made the predictions, so they obviously expected this.
ONCE AGAIN…you simply cannot replace so many players and fix things in one year. Period. Not when availability of talent plays a big role.
They cleaned house, and now they are rebuilding, even if they do not admit they are (few coaches actually do admit it…let’s be real here. No one is going to say “We’re rebuilding, come back in a couple years.”)
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:32 pm
@DickBig
You are mostly accurate, except that Schiano left the team better than it was when he got it. He added some good talent through the draft, and he made them more disciplined.
Raheem made this franchise a total joke. Schiano was out of college and didn’t know how to rebuild, but he knew talent. He would have drafted a first round QB in his second year, had he the pick. Freeman was forced on him, so he had to settle for a suitable backup in Glennon, which was what Glennon was always intended to be by Schiano.
And as far as Glennon being told he was the future…he was…the future backup.
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:40 pm
@ BuccaneerBonzai
at 4-12 the team was in good shape? you don’t get me because your having trouble reading periods and question marks, I posed it as a question dude. yes we have good players and I thought we were close to being a playoff team. we have good players but at 2-13 does it matter because we are headed for the 1st or 2nd pick. and if you were paying attention a real gm like rich McKay drafted talent that made it to the superbowl…people keep here keep giving the coaches the credit for bad free agents and good free agents but what the hell did you think rich McKay was doing when jon gruden got here and before he got here….that was mostly dungy’s team but gruden made lots of changes SHORT TEAM CHANGES. nobody since him has drafted enough talent to get us to the playoffs so I think what I’m saying makes alittle sense
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:49 pm
@SlowBucs813
About the only HCs I would not support would be a return of Raheem or Frazier (who I felt was a bad hire from the start).
I’m 100% behind Lovie Smith. I believe he can turn the franchise around. However, I also believe he needs an established OC guy that can choose the first three picks in the draft and bring in his own offensive staff.
Of course, I WOULD give up Lovie for Jim Harbaugh.
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:54 pm
See? At least you expressed yourself more clearly that time, because you didn’t the first time.
FYI, Rich McKay did bring in some good talent, but the top talent that got us to the superbowl? Wasn’t brought in by McKay. It was already there when he was hired.
He helped finish it off…and Dungy had a lot to do with it.
Also, McKay never once built an offense either.
What he did was spot defensive talent and get us deep in cap hell, but managed to keep pushing the cap issues forward until it was no longer possible, then he bailed.
We have talent, just not enough. It’s an unfinished product.
December 22nd, 2014 at 5:55 pm
Pretty stupid for someone to come to a site and get so upset all the time at the fans here call them names ( like a child). THEN RETURN TO READ and get upset everyday!
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:03 pm
@ BuccaneerBonzai
lol ok my friend you win i’ll let it ride but you need to catch up on your buc history
McKay was Tampa Bay’s general manager from 1993 to 2003, their glory years. The Bucs went to the playoffs six times and won Super Bowl XXXVII. McKay HIRED Tony Dungy AND drafted Hall of Famer Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks, also John Lynch, Ronde Barber, Mike Alstott and Warrick Dunn.
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:21 pm
That hack writer doesn’t know any more than everyone calling for Smith’s dismissal.
Who ruined the Bucs?
The GLAZERS ruined the Bucs.
It started when they fired the best coach this team ever had, and claimed it was what the “fans” wanted.
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:33 pm
Despite all those who viciously support the “keep him for stability’s sake” mentality, ask yourself this:
1. Knowing Lovie FAILED big time this year (this is not up for debate), do you think Schiano would’ve won more games?
2. Knowing Lovie FAILED big time this year (this is not up for debate), do you think most other 1st year HC’s would’ve won us more games? Don’t even give me this BS excuse for Lovie that we have a lack of talent. You went out and got your guys! You hand picked a lifetime backup QB and instantly named him starter! Not even an offseason competition?? lol Yes, I know we always need more talent, and the o-line sucks, but you know damn well the past couple years people talked about how much talent we’ve had. The Bucs had talent, just couldn’t win games. Most any other competent coach could’ve easily won us this historically pitiful division with this (off-season) roster, I firmly believe.
3. So you’re big on Lovie’s improved defense? Okay, I give you it has improved, but by no means whatsoever would I call him a genius or savant. If the Glazers move on, you really think it’s more detrimental than keeping him? You really think the new coach would make us worse in his first year than Lovie?
This guy comes in, talks a 6’7 350lb beast of a man, tough guy game in the off season – then shows us the meager shell of a skinny adolescent boy (at least as a head coach) he truly is. Look, we all make mistakes, to be sure. We all should be forgiving as well – to a reasonable degree. But as the old saying goes, “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.” Lovie’s fooled us all PLENTY. He is what he is for crying out loud!
If you support Lovie, are you also one of those guys who INSISTS that Jay Cutler has all the intangibles and such great arm strength? (lmao!) Wake up to reality! What are you watching???
We may well win with Lovie next year. But there will come a day when those of you who don’t see it now finally will have that “oh crap” moment – but now he’s 3 years in and it’ll take 2 or 3 more years for a new coach to fix his mess! Or should we just keep him for 10 years because stability? Smh.
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:39 pm
A few people have mentioned Harbaugh…and it may not be as far fetched as it sounds. A proven, talented coach that has fallen out of favor with soon to be former team…traded for draft picks ( preferably none at all )? That’s pretty much how Gruden got to Tampa. Harbaugh coaching a top pick QB makes so much more sense than any minion Lovie would trot in. Plus, Harbaugh is brutally honest, fiery and way smarter than Lovie. I’m beginning to love the idea even if it’s unlikely to happen.
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:46 pm
@JonBuc
“Plus, Harbaugh is brutally honest, fiery and way smarter than Lovie.”
Thank you! I highly doubt it as well, but that is more to my argument against Lovie – he’s a dufus! A buffoon! With no personality or emotion whatsoever! It’s no wonder why his brand of football is boring as hell when he himself has the personality of a wet dish towel.
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:55 pm
It’s better than schiano’s defense, that college scheme that nfl films had players like cam newton and matt forte laughing at, our defense was a joke that got beat over the top and we lost to every single rookie quarterback we ever faced but people are mad because we lose to Derek Anderson because they forgot how we got shredded by nick foles and bob griffen as rookies and we had ronde barber. forget how we got destroyed by joey Harrington back in the day so your gonna keep changing coaches or you gonna keep searching for players to fill those voids? we haven’t had a real cornerback since jon gruden was here but people are mad at lovie because he hasn’t changed that in one year…everyone gets two year especially if schiano got two years
December 22nd, 2014 at 7:07 pm
Bonzai
What’s up with that? You had me all fkd up like didn’t mckay draft all our hofs and Alstott and Dunn n stuff. Thanks buc4lyfe I almost turned in my bucs fan card.
Lovie is garbage, always has been garbage. If marinelli comes to tampa let me know thats the only way we will win games.
Lovie can’t keep offensive coordinators that much we know so I’m just not sold on this it takes time bs.
Caldwell took the lions to their first playoff in 17 years or something like that. Lions were 7-9 last year with less talent than us considering we went to their house and beat them. Two very similar teams, both have new hc but one is 11-4 and the other is 2-14.
It’s not Lovies fault!! It’s glennons fault for having a long neck and a brother who likes to tweet.
In the words of Chris Carter “COME ON MAN!!”
December 22nd, 2014 at 7:21 pm
It doesn’t take time(worst excuse ever). The Chiefs were 2-14 and got Andy Reid and went to the playoffs. The Eagles got Chip Kelly and won the division title. How is the 2013 last place Texans’ record this year? I can keep going but it takes the right coach not time…
December 22nd, 2014 at 7:24 pm
Yea it’s been a rough season for bucs fans but that’s really no different than it has been for years but the difference between fans and national media is national media doesn’t believe a lovie’s team will be down for long, Caldwell had a playoff team the day he walked in the door so no comparison. lol your right it is glennon’s fault because he was supposed to be the future of the franchise but I guess he was training to be the future back up under career backup josh mccown…they both suck only difference is this town loves oppie so much and when he was playing they didn’t blame glennon for all the missed throws and inaccurate balls that receivers had to chase or run back for to catch, they blamed the offensive line….mccown is in the game and he sucks and it has nothing to do with taking six or seven sacks a game but opie did no better and faced less pressure so to hell with them both, mccown is gone and opie is gone anyone who doesn’t like it can follow glennon to Arizona cardinals….we’ll draft a rookie qb and it’ll be an instant upgrade over everything on our roster right now and from day one with zero nfl experience that’s how bad glennon/mccown combo sucks
December 22nd, 2014 at 8:33 pm
There is a solution!
The Glazers bring in Lovie, behind closed doors and explain how it’s going to go.
The Glazers and Licht will find the most creative OC with actual NFL credentials and offer him virtual autonomy. He gets to make that first pick and Lovie cannot call the plays or influence the OC’s thinking process. The OC will be hired to put the most exciting, high scoring offense in the NFL.
Of course in the Media Lovie will claim this is HIS idea and that HE decided to hire this guy and give him so much contol.
It’s a win win. If the offense sucks Lovie bears no responsibility. If Lovie’s defense is so good he’ll be able to clean up any short field messes created by aggressive play calling.
December 22nd, 2014 at 9:17 pm
TampaBaybucfan is right: why does Licht get a pass? Didn’t he go do the FA shopping offseason? Does not matter if he was following Lovie’s direction or acting independently to me; the Glazers need to bring in someone wh can evaluate talent better….. BTW I am fully onboard with StPeteBucsFans suggestion of a totally autonomous OC if Licht is still here, at least then he and Lovie could only bugger up the defensive side of the roster…..
December 22nd, 2014 at 9:40 pm
it’s one thing to be a liar…but to have the arrogance and passive aggressive attitude he has with the media is another…he fits right in with big texas liars Clemons, Armstrong and 41…..
December 22nd, 2014 at 10:29 pm
You go 2-14, “earn” the #1 draft pick, go winless at home and go winless in the NFL’s worst division, and still get to keep your job? How in the world is this possible?
December 22nd, 2014 at 10:43 pm
Joe, I couldn’t agree more with what you say. As I have said before, ownership should admit this outrageous mistake of a head coaching choice, fire him and start fresh.
December 22nd, 2014 at 10:44 pm
Mr Patrick
Bc it takes time. It’s a fking joke if you ask me.
December 22nd, 2014 at 11:14 pm
All I want for Christmas is a head coach that’s not a f@$#*^g punch line.
December 23rd, 2014 at 12:47 am
bucs4lyfe Says:
December 22nd, 2014 at 6:55 pm
It’s better than schiano’s defense, that college scheme that nfl films had players like cam newton and matt forte laughing at, our defense was a joke…….etc.
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Everyone says that the defense has improved, which it certainly has compared with how horrible they were to start the year, BUT they STILL trail Schiano’s defense in EVERY single statistical category for the year. So, if you still want to laugh at the 2013 defense:
Both defenses forced 15 fumbles and returned three INTS for TDs.
389 points (21st in league) vs. 387 points (26th in league)
24.3 ppg (21st) vs. 25.8 ppg (26th)
Allowed 348 ypg (17th) vs. 371 ypg (26th)
35 sacks (23rd) vs. 34 sacks (19th)
21 INTs (3rd) vs. 11 INTs (21st)
TO Ratio +10 vs. -10
The same is true of the offense, especially if you compare Glennon’s performance vs. McCown’s.
The Bucs are 2-13, winless at home, winless in the HISTORICALLY BAD NFC South, against the weakest schedule in the NFL, and yet you and others still think Lovie is doing a good job.
tickrdr
December 23rd, 2014 at 3:20 am
What offensive Coordinator would want to come here…?
December 23rd, 2014 at 3:33 am
I think the defense is starting to look like the old bucs d with those ugly ass uniforms rallying to the ball. Lovie blew the team up, brought in replacements which some worked and some didn’t. The biggest concern for me with Lovie is that you know that he knows his biggest weakness = getting a successful/productive offense in place and he FAILED miserably! I would argue he had a choice tough choice to make and he chose to Ride out the offensive system in place. If Arroyo does well, he’s a genius and if he fails, chances are bucs get a high draft choice and can make the change went there’s a ton of good coaches looking to work with talent.
I agree with Joe, Lovie failed to get support for the rookie OC, which leads me to believe Lovie is loyal and knew this was this was a evaluation year anyway… Coaches included. Let’s face it, anyone who thought we would be an above .500 team was dreaming! I was in that group ~
December 23rd, 2014 at 3:35 am
OC depends on draft pick. If we lose next week, I expect them hiring an OC right after black Monday… And it will speak volumes to the qb the bucs will choose
December 23rd, 2014 at 3:37 am
Chance to work with a tier 1 draft pick and have total control over the O? Probably quite a few! And they’ll overpay (as the bucs always do)
December 23rd, 2014 at 8:05 am
@ tickdr
Time after time you go to the trouble of showing statistical fact to make a point, and time after time there are delusional idiots who try to argue with you. Seems pretty black and white…anyone saying Schiano’s defense was a joke is obviously saying Lovie’s is a complete joke. Same with wins/losses, starting QB’s, etc etc. I say thank you tickdr for taking the time to print facts even is some here choose to turn a blind eye to the facts.
December 23rd, 2014 at 10:08 am
If you are an NFL defense,playing the bucs.you have a distinct advantages.Doug Martin runs for 1 yard on first down followed by either another ineffective run or a play action that doesn’t work all too often because
of lack of running game, penalty,sacks,bad Oline or QB play.Running game has
hurt the bucs since Rainey was taken out of scheme. On the one play doug martin got loose the hole was so big he should have reached the endzone.
I think he is in their because of his blocking.O line cant sustain blocks
so we have the same needs as last year A QB, a running back that can scare a defense and an o-line revamp.
Plus OC, and much better system to evaluate talent.
December 23rd, 2014 at 11:16 am
@tickdr
@ToesOnTheLine
You do realize schiano was given the axe after his second season right? Who do you think fired his entire front office? Dude had the biggest coaching staff in the NFL, he had Butch Davis sitting around doing nothing, mrsa happened on his watch you nerds or I guess that was Freeman’s fault to, his defense was better the guy who let every rookie in two years drove down the field on him last second and shred his defenses? Dude even the jets garbage qb did it to him. His defense was so great them why did they go 4-12, with a OC and with Glennon?
December 23rd, 2014 at 12:20 pm
No doubt Lovie deserves an F this season. Can you say “getting rid of our O line”? This offensive team is awful and no one in management ever learns. To keep playing Mcown is actually funny at this point. They should have brought in an offensive guy the day Tedford got sick and they knew he wasn’t coming back. Then maybe both the offense and defense would have begun jelling at mid season like the defense has done and give us some real hope. In business, when someone leaves, you bring in someone to take his place immediately. You don’t wait till next year. This is clearly a management problem like so much else this year. I’m a season ticket holder since 97. I’m not going back. They broke my spirit and it’s no fun watching. There are too many fans chanting for the other team and I have had enough. I could’ve retired on what I spent at that stadium. Good Bye now. It is obvious to me this management will never learn.