Jameis Watch: Winning The Perception Game
December 29th, 2014
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
One fun thing about the Marcus Mariota-Jameis Winston debate is that it is far from over. There’s even big-time football games to be played — two will involve one quarterback’s team, one for the other’s.
A the process goes along, fans and media will learn so much more about Winston, and see much more of him. ESPN already is critiquing Winston’s performance in a Rose Bowl media session this week.
He makes eye contact. He provides some insight to go with his rehearsed lines. He is keenly aware of not only what to say but also how to say it, reminding us that the personality that drew raves when he first took the field for Florida State is still there.
Yet he knows that personality may never be enough to win over skeptics who have long since made up their minds about Winston after his various off-the-field incidents — most especially sexual assault allegations that never led to criminal charges.
“Well, perception is reality today, so my only thing today is to prove that I’m a good guy,” Winston said. “I’ve got to show more of my actions. I can’t worry about the past. I can’t worry about the future. I’ve got to be where my feet are and keep working every day to become a better person and a better football player and a better teammate.”
There’s plenty more in the article. None of it means much now, but it’s clear to Joe that Winston will continue to come across like an extremely polished 20 year old.
Considering from the depths Winston fell to in the game of public perception this year, he likely only can rise quickly at this point, barring more off-field trouble.
December 29th, 2014 at 3:41 pm
He could win another title, win Super Bowls for Tampa, never get in anymore trouble, and spend all his free time doing charity work at children’s hospitals, and I GUARANTEE you that there’s still a handful of people who would bash him.
Some people want a villain, and they’ve made him that guy, in their minds.
December 29th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
What happens if neither Mariotta or Winston declare for the draft? Gil Arcia just tweeted an article where Mariotta talks about not being ready in certain areas. Winston could possibly stay for another year or decide to play baseball. Who is the BPA after that, now that the QB debate at #1 is over?
December 29th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
Patrick in VA Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
What happens if neither Mariotta or Winston declare for the draft? Gil Arcia just tweeted an article where Mariotta talks about not being ready in certain areas. Winston could possibly stay for another year or decide to play baseball. Who is the BPA after that, now that the QB debate at #1 is over?
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Heaven forbid that to happen but we’ll know in the next few weeks, the deadline to declare looms closer. If that were the case, the Bucs would hopefully attack finding a competent QB in trade, free agency, or draft but would surely either trade down or take Gregory of Nebraska with their #1 pick.
December 29th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
He will blow NFL executives away during the interview process and his walking out of Publix with crab legs and offending everyone’s delicate sensibilities by having the stones to utter a naughty uh oh word will be long forgotten.
I still think the Rose Bowl is going to play a huge part in this process. It’s possible both QB’s play phenomenal, it’s also quite possible one of them completely lays an egg out there and that will be tough to ignore. I can’t wait to see how they perform. MM will be playing on the biggest stage of his life, Jameis on the second biggest. Should be a fun one and either way, Bucs fans will be watching their future QB
December 29th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
@ Joe why do you want this jailbird so bad he is jonny football 2.0 trouble. I think your right we need a QB bad but you always like the wrong one. he played in the acc had a lot of int’s and prolly should have been kicked out of school. Mariota is the guy lets draft a guy with a brain. You need a smart guy that will work hard on and off the field.
December 29th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Mariota might feel he isn’t ready, but everybody and their mother knows he needs to come out. He is never going to get his draft stock higher than it is now, he has already graduated, and if he comes back for his 5th year at Oregon all he could do is hurt himself both physically and financially. He’s coming out. Winston, I’m not 100% sure on him. He does have baseball, he could stay and repair his image, but his stock won’t be getting much better no matter what he did by staying another season.
December 29th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Mariota knows Lovie + QBs = Disaster. Smart kid if he goes back to school.
December 29th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
It sounds like Gil is starting Rumors…
December 29th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
@JJ – Rumors about the draft? Surely you jest
December 29th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Funniest chit ever = Charles Simms running into his own player. Lmao
Dude you had the whole field what happened? Lovie sure knows how to pick’em.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Mariota never said he wasn’t ready. What Gil took was a sound bite from the Dan Patrick show, where he said he doesn’t make play calls, the calls come from the sidelines and the only he times he makes calls is to audible out of situations.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:03 pm
@armchair – Fair enough. That may have been the case. Still hoping that Winston does not declare. I’m not completely sold on Mariotta and if he’s the only one available then we could get a ridiculous ransom
December 29th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
Ransom’s have gotten teams like the Rams in the same place where the Bucs have been over the past few years sitting at home watching the playoffs like us fans. You have to take a shot a QB. Look at the poor Texans, great defense but their offense stinks and they are just good enough to not get into a position to draft one every year.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
I love your site and have been coming for many years but the intros to certain people are getting ridiculous. Best examples are Winston, Peter King and Josh Freeman where it appears have the story is your brutal title before writing anything about them. I bet that Winston intro will be used over 500 times between now and the draft….not looking forward to that at all.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
Thanks!!Patrick,for the inside info.I’m so glad you posted a retweet from a different website!
December 29th, 2014 at 4:08 pm
Sorry this year last year they could of but were enamoured with Clowney. Imagine them with Bridgewater or Carr. They probably would be in the playoffs all this speaks to what I was saying about being in a position to take a QB , when there you gotta take one.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:08 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
@ Joe why do you want this jailbird so bad he is jonny football 2.0 trouble. I think your right we need a QB bad but you always like the wrong one. he played in the acc had a lot of int’s and prolly should have been kicked out of school. Mariota is the guy lets draft a guy with a brain. You need a smart guy that will work hard on and off the field.
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Oh my god, enough of the ACC conference slamming talk. How ignorant of you! Which conference do QBs come from? Big 10 I guess (Brees and Brady, not to forget Russell Wilson). Peyton, Eli, Newton, Stafford (SEC), Roethlisberger (MAC), Matt Ryan, Rivers, and Russell Wilson again (ACC). Rodgers, Carson Palmer, Luck (PAC10) then there’s Dalton, Kaepernick (MWC), Romo and Flacco (1-AA).
There’s no set conference to get QBs from. ACC, PAC10, it doesn’t matter, if the guy can play, he can play. Sure, Winston is from the ACC, yet he lit up the SEC in the championship game. Manziel is from the SEC and he lit up the SEC for two years and so did Tim Tebow.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:09 pm
The same could be said about the other side of that where washington went all in to get their QB. Also see Bradford in St Louis, Manual in Buffalo, etc, etc. Everyone needs a QB and everyone understands how valuable they are but your need for one doesn’t make the players coming out more talented and more ready than they actually are.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Joe, swap pick(s) with Browns and Manziel? Not saying I would do it but I’d seriously consider it.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:18 pm
@Patrick who says they are or they aren’t thats what the combine , evaluation and private workouts are for. But to constantly say you need to trade in December for a position of need and automatically dismiss the players that scouts and evaluator have at the top of their board of prospects asinine. Not often are you in the position nor is your franchise longest reigning position of need addressed by the two highest rated prospects on draft experts boards.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Take Winston. Don’t look back.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
@armchair – do scouts have them at the top of their boards or do draft gurus?
I agree that we aren’t often in this position, but that doesn’t mean that just because we’re here that we have to take one of those guys there because we’re here and they’re supposed to be the best available QBs. I’m just not sure that we need to invest so much in a player that isn’t someone that people feel as strongly about as they did about Luck coming out. If they don’t grade out as the best then why couldn’t we get a guy at the top of the 2nd round and build him up a bit? We could get Anderson to come down from Carolina, let the kid grow and learn a bit and then put him in. I’d be much more onboard with that than going all in on a QB that is highly touted and will have to be thrown to the lions immediately and will inevitably falter and fail for a while. If that’s going to be the case then why not go for the guy that we can justify benching for a year?
December 29th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
If these two young men looked into this coach, his staff and offensive line they are likely to choose to stay in college!
December 29th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
He just has to do what he’s been doing. Just win the damn game!!!
December 29th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
@ Brandon all I’m sayin is the acc sucks and he has throw a ton of int’s. Both true. And if you did what he has done off the field you prolly would have missed more than just a football game.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:38 pm
I am thinking after the Rose Bowl and National Championship Games, and the combine, there won’t be any question about it.
Jameis will be a buc.
The kid has a cannon and has great football intelligence.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
For those wailing about Winston’s picks: Didn’t Trent Dilfer set a record in college for most completions without an interception?
Andrew Luck also had double-digit picks his senior year in fewer attempts than Winston had this year. Calm down.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
@Patrick oh no I’m not saying I would throw a rookie out there year 1. I agree with you and I am all for sitting him down and making sure he is ready while you have a good , steady , capable veteran to teach him and play until he is ready, but I wouldn’t keep passing on Quarterbacks because I don’t see Andrew Luck, we might be waiting for forever if that is the case. You do all of the due diligence work and if a guy looks good to you take the shot, sit his behind down and learn from the vet and when he appears ready hand it over to him.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
Mariotta and Winston should be thrilled to be signed by the Bucs: VJ, Evans, ASJ and hopefully a new oc to mold their skills to the offense. Plus no pressure like NY market.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:45 pm
armchairGM Says:
You have to take a shot a QB. Look at the poor Texans, great defense but their offense stinks and they are just good enough to not get into a position to draft one every year.
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Good point. It’s exactly why Lovie is here too.
After a year in the basement feigning an attempt to change his ways, what does he do? Brings in the perennial retread McCown and loses his OC under dubious circumstances.
2-14 is the result. The worst team in the NFL.
So today he get’s pressed by the media over the changes needed, he promptly declares he’s the emperor and will be making all the football decisions.
It’s a tragedy this man is not out looking for a job today.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:46 pm
mariota thin small frame body that will not withstand the punishment in the nfl of not having a good o-line.
jameis Winston’s body will be able to withstand the kind of pounding josh mccown took this year. remember lovie has publicly praised how good 4 of his o-linemen are recently.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
@armchair – I agree with that sentiment but do you honestly think that if we took a QB #1 overall that our fanbase would tolerate sitting him down and letting him learn? Glennon was a 3rd round pick and people were calling for him 2 games into his rookie year when Freeman struggled. If we had a #1 QB that people are looking at to save the franchise, there’s no way they’d sit quietly and wait for him to develop. I’d love it if we were all mature and level headed people but that’s just not the case and the masses would shout down management until they don’t have a choice but to play him.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
Many teams would want the #1 pick for Mariota…..not Winston….we will either pick Mariota or trade down for a boatload!!!
I was at the game and there was a Buc fan in full dress red…..rooting for the Saints….it was pathetic watching this guy cheering for us to fumble and for Brees to complete passes…..
Lovie may not have outright thrown this game…but who he sidelined spoke volumes…at least we should give Lovie credit for this loss….he’s been getting credit for all the others….
December 29th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
And Shawn King had the record for completion percentage. Yet was a 50% passer in the nfl
December 29th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
I can think of another “long thin” QB that was just fine…..Randall Cunningham
December 29th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
Patrick in VA Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
What happens if neither Mariotta or Winston declare for the draft? Gil Arcia just tweeted an article where Mariotta talks about not being ready in certain areas. Winston could possibly stay for another year or decide to play baseball. Who is the BPA after that, now that the QB debate at #1 is over?
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That would be our luck. Get the #1 pick and then not be able to get a QB. How miserable would you be then. Then you would really know that the football Gods hate us and the Chucky curse is real.
December 29th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
@Patrick dumb Browns fans wanted Johnny in and they surprisingly did not put him in until about week 15. I might be a little optimistic or maybe I and many on here think more long term than short, but I would think the fanbase while calling for the rookie to start would simply be happy that we finally drafted a potential franchise QB, as long as we had a competent bridge QB that won us some games and are the complete opposite of Mcclown.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
Bo knows how to get out of playing for the yuks. FSU #5 might do the same.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
Here are what some scouts really think of Winston:
“Winston is hardly the first quarterback prospect with strong maturity concerns for NFL evaluators. Cam Newton was kicked out of Florida for stealing a laptop from another student and was the central figure of a booster scandal at Auburn. Johnny Manziel was arrested and charged with three misdemeanors as a freshman at Texas A&M and his juvenile escapades off the field are well-documented.
Boys will be boys. College kids will be college kids. But Winston’s situation doesn’t have that feel. The act has worn thin. His class clown routine demonstrates extremely poor judgment, leading to six different incidents since he enrolled at Florida State that have embarrassed himself, his teammates and what he represents.
Winston jumping on a table and yelling something obscene obviously is immature, and while the school said that act got him suspended for Saturday’s contest — his pattern of poor off-field decision is more troubling.
When the Winston shouting incident became public Tuesday, I texted an NFL scout and told him about it, asking his feedback. He didn’t believe me, saying it must have been a “made up Tweeter rumor,” because there was “no way he is that dumb.” A few hours later, Florida State announced Winston would sit out the first half and the scout sent me a text that read, “That’s the one and only time I’ll let JW make me feel naive.”
Then late Friday night, Florida State upped the suspension to the entire Clemson game. Unprompted, I received another text from that same scout: “I can’t wait to ask Jameis for his 2014 Clemson game tape …”
Winston has apologized for his actions time and time again, but mistakes keep piling up. Can anyone believe what he says?” -CBS sports
December 29th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
@ skyline Youtube the Dan Patrick/Marcus Mariota episode. Mariota never said he is not ready all he said was that he doesn’t call the plays they come in from the sideline and the only calls he makes is to the linemen for coverage or audibles .Gil like most people that have a strong opinion for one or the other take bits and pieces of information to discredit one or the other and thats what he did.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
“Anticipating Winston-Manziel comparisons likely to be thrown out there, I asked the scout if he saw any correlation regarding their off-field transgressions and NFL projection. He responded with an emphatic “no,” because Winston’s issues were “much more troubling and serious.”
The scout said Newton was a better comparison, but even that wasn’t very accurate. I asked him if he would drop Winston down his team’s draft board if it were up to him and told me that this isn’t a “drop him down draft boards” issue, but rather “should he be on our draft board” issue. That makes sense. Several teams will decide Winston isn’t a fit for their culture while others will be more tolerant and willing to roll the dice on his immense talent.
Regarding his ability on the field, Winston has a full toolbox of talents. He has the strong arm along with the soft touch to deliver catchable passes. Winston sees the field well and does a nice job recognizing favorable match-ups, showing preparation skills that come from film study.”
December 29th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
@armchair – If we drafted a QB and brought in another guy to bridge the gap, whether it be through free agency or McCown so long as Trestman is OC, then I’m fine with that. I just don’t have as much confidence in our fan base as you do if that’s not the case though.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
Maybe I spend a little too much time in the JBF comments section though
December 29th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
@Patrick I think the fan base will go crazier if we do not draft one after this horrendous past season. But I agree , don’t want to put a young QB out there and permanently ruin him even if that means more of Mccown. I just want some shred of hope for a good franchise QB for years to come.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
Nov. 25, 2012 – Winston gets in trouble for $4,200 in BB gun damage
Dec. 7, 2012 – Winston is accused of Rape
July 21, 2013 – Winston is accused of entering Burger King and stealing pop
April 29, 2014 – Winston is accused of stealing crab legs
May 20, 2014 – Does not show to code of conduct hearing (claims he didn’t know)
Sept. 16, 2014 – Yells obscenities
Anyone see a trend? This is the problem for people. It isn’t one or two things it is numerous immature issues that come up.
Manziel is immature and look how he did this year. He is still getting in trouble. Josh Gordon is immature and look how well he is doing…had one good year and hasn’t played much since. Cam Newton is doing ok for himself, but his issues were as serious as this.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
armchairGM Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
@ skyline Youtube the Dan Patrick/Marcus Mariota episode. Mariota never said he is not ready all he said was that he doesn’t call the plays they come in from the sideline and the only calls he makes is to the linemen for coverage or audibles .Gil like most people that have a strong opinion for one or the other take bits and pieces of information to discredit one or the other and thats what he did.
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Good to know. I would think it was strange for a player who got his degree already and is only taking a few classes this year to play again next year. I believe he will come out in this draft. Winston on the other hand may stay.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
port richey george Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 4:46 pm
mariota thin small frame body that will not withstand the punishment in the nfl of not having a good o-line.
jameis Winston’s body will be able to withstand the kind of pounding josh mccown took this year. remember lovie has publicly praised how good 4 of his o-linemen are recently.
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They is a 10-15 pound difference between the two. What are you smoking? I need some of that. Pulling crap out of your hat now just to sound like you know something.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
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December 29th, 2014 at 5:15 pm
People who compare Winston and Manziel are leaving out a very, very critical difference between the two.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
@armchair – On that we can agree. I think we all need some kind of hope. We’re long overdue for not only hope but actual production and results
December 29th, 2014 at 5:18 pm
@skyline honestly why IMO I don’t think L&L would draft Winston. Johnny seemed to make everyone a believer in the press room but the patterns that he showed before draft day are coming back to haunt the Browns. While I think for sure Winston is a much better prospect than Johnny he has a pattern of just making bad decisions. Unlike a lot of his detractors I do not think he is the devil but he is like that friend you have that you love because he is your friend and the nicest person in the world but you tend not to hang out with because you know he doesn’t fully think things through before he does them and you constantly worry about him.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
@joe ok what about the crimes? Do you hire a criminal to run you multimillion dollor company
December 29th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
BB gun? Petty theft? Pppffftt.
Derrick Brooks had free shoes in his past. Adrian Clayborn blew up a cabbie. Both were angels NFL
December 29th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
@ poorglennon
King played for Tulane, and half the opponents he faced were Div II. Poor comparison.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Remember (if you are old enough) the Bo Jackson debacle of years ago? Bo wouldn’t play for the Bucs (who could blame him then) so he went to play baseball. Could Jameis follow if drafted by the Bucs?
December 29th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
SI mocked Winston falling to the Rams at 10. The character issues/concerns are real. Where there is smoke there is fire.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
I can’t believe Joe hasn’t used the most obvious example for high INTs in college: Matt Ryan, who had 19 the year he was drafted.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:38 pm
I think everyone gives Winston too much credit. I’m not 100% sold on Mariotta either. Yes Winston’s team has not lost a game. That is my point FSU is a good team. I believe that many college QB’s could be undefeated with those teams. In 2013 FSU’s defense only gave up more than 20pts two times. A lot of offenses can score more than 20pts on the teams FSU played in 2013. FSU also put up over 2,000 yards rushing(that is minus Winston’s 219yds) for the year. Any armchair QB knows that the run sets up the pass. What would McCown do with an o- line that could produce over 2,000 yds rushing. Win games that is the answer. In 2013 he also had “safety net” Kelvin Benjamin, that guy probably turned 15ints into TD’s or 20+yd catches. 2014 Winston did not have as good as a defense and was missing a lot of rushing yards. He has not performed as well this year. The UF-FSU was I believe the best indicator what what what he would do in the NFL(UF was a terrible team but the closest to an NFL caliber defense he will face). He stunk the joint up. 181yds rushing for FSU 125yds passing. Yes he has had 4th quarter comebacks. Josh Freeman had 5, 4th quarter comeback wins in 2010 in the NFL. We all know how elite that guy is. I believe he is physically gifted but not elite. I truly think he is another Josh Freeman. All the physical tools, brains of mush. I will do my research on Mariotta now.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Mike Said:
I love your site and have been coming for many years but the intros to certain people are getting ridiculous. Best examples are Winston, Peter King and Josh Freeman where it appears have the story is your brutal title before writing anything about them. I bet that Winston intro will be used over 500 times between now and the draft….not looking forward to that at all.
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lol. You do realize that all of us on JBF just skip over that part don’t you?
December 29th, 2014 at 5:43 pm
@BoJim – I usually just skip over the first two paragraphs of most articles dealing with either Peter King, Jameis Winston or Aqib Talib. If where I pick up doesn’t make sense then I’ll go up a bit until I get past the extended intros and can get into the meat of the story
December 29th, 2014 at 5:50 pm
Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Winston plays in a more “Pro-like” system with FSU and Marriotta plays in a scheme similar to Tim Tebow during his gator days. If this is accurate then wouldn’t Winston translate or assimilate better into the Bucs system? I mean after Trestman is officially named OC he could work better with a Winston type over a Marriotta type.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
If you draft Winston, and he tanks, and Mariota shines, then you will never live that down.
If you draft Mariota, and he tanks, but Winston shines, I think that would be excused by many.
For that reason alone I don’t see how they don’t take MM.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
@ Joe down play it all you want. He is in the Spotlight and doesn’t use his head. Not just once three times in two years. Sounds like a guy that doesn’t think and is a real me guy. He never thought about his team first instead risk there shot a national title by watching on the sideline
December 29th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
When all is said and done the only things they got are BB Guns (a tradition even from the days I went there), bad language (remember Chucky?), and a few crab legs.
Hardly Al Capone.
Those jerks at the New York Times hate football, especially southern football. They never produced an honest and accurate report about Winston.
If the man plays great and wins his second National Championship, and ends up 30-0 you guys still don’t want him?
December 29th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
He stole pop from BK also. Didn’t show to a code of conduct hearing (claims he didn’t know). And accused of rape.
December 29th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
Zam Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
If you draft Winston, and he tanks, and Mariota shines, then you will never live that down.
If you draft Mariota, and he tanks, but Winston shines, I think that would be excused by many.
For that reason alone I don’t see how they don’t take MM.
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It wouldn’t be excused by anyone at all. In fact everyone will say “You took the system QB over the Pro Guy, what did you expect?”. If the Bucs draft either and the other is great and the one they draft is a bust, it’s never going to be forgiven or excused. at all
December 29th, 2014 at 6:13 pm
It’s funny to hear people put there own twist on why for him it’s ok to commit crime that would be ok for 99% of the population. They are really starting to win me over sounds like a great character guy lol.
December 29th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
@Skyline
It was alleged he was part of a GROUP of people shooting bb guns. There’s zero proof he actually broke any windows. It’s absurd to attach his name to that amount of $. Unless you saw him do it. It could have been 10 people who broke them. For all we know, he could be responsible for 10% of that. Like a window or two. $4200 all on Jamies. LOL. C’mon man.
He drank from a ketchup cup at BK, let’s fire up the gas chamber!!
Brian Banks was accused of rape too. Do you want to list that on HIS bio?
We all know the crab legs things was the hook-up.
http://thebiglead.com/2014/05/01/marcellus-wiley-suggests-jameis-winston-took-fall-for-florida-state-players-getting-free-food/
Do you have any links on the COC hearing? And, the judge found nothing to punish him on, so….?
And……bad language? So, yeah, some one-man crime wave, aye? We all have acknowledged he was immature, and needed to grow up. But, this is character assassination 101.
December 29th, 2014 at 6:53 pm
Beggers cant be choosers gentlemen…We’re the Bucs guys and as much as it pains me to say this, “We F*%#ing Suck…I’d literally sell my football soul for winning team right now…
With that said, We gotta roll the dice and take Winston #1 guys, (if he comes out) it’s a no-brainer…Whether you Love’em or Hate’em, He’s a proven winner that always seems to play his best when everything is on the line…
I’m not and FSU fan but I live in FL so I watched a lot of their games this year; Defenses threw everything but the kitchen sink at this kid week in and week out and he still managed to find ways to get it done; that impressed me about him…
So Jameis Come on down son, we got all the crab legs and white women you eat down here…Git’er Done, Go Bucs!
December 29th, 2014 at 7:20 pm
Why the comparisons to Manziel?
Winston isn’t a partier and that’s the main criticism of Winston.
Winston has been cleared of the rape. By 3 entities. There’s numerous holes in the accusers story.
December 29th, 2014 at 7:21 pm
Read all of the police reports and evidence. Anyone who does that and still thinks Winston is guilty is an idiot.
December 29th, 2014 at 7:35 pm
Sounds like my rap sheet. In a week of high school. There will be players drafted that have done far worse than Jaimison. They just never got caught. There is a football term for misguided character concerns…..value
December 29th, 2014 at 7:47 pm
Poorglennon, you were accused of rape, caused 4200 in damages with a BB gun, stole crab legs, stole pop, and didn’t attend hearings? All while in high school? Impressive you didn’t go to juvie.
December 29th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
Winston is a moron poor, imagine bring the team that gives him $25 million guaranteed….now you’ve made a poor moron a rich moron, do you really think he’s going to change for the better with all that cash….
December 29th, 2014 at 8:18 pm
Zam, either way you’re fired…
December 29th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
This might wind up being a repeat post @Joe, since my first comments did not show up. If so, sorry.
@skyline
And, you have proof he, personally, caused $4200 in damage? We don’t know what damaged he caused, if any. He may have not damaged a singe window. You act like he was alone shooting out windows. It was a large group of college students. It could have been 10+ guys. Split up, it might be a few hundred dollars, i.e, he broke a few windows, AT WORST. He caused $4200 in damage??? LOL.
So, tell me skyline, do you say that Brian Banks was accused of rape? Would you put that on his bio? Duke Lacrosse also was accused of rape. Did it mean a thing?
We all know what happened with the crab legs, it was the hookup. Google Marcellus Wiley and crab legs. A Miami beat reporter confirmed the same thing.
He drank a ketchup of coke, allegedly? Lock him up!!!!
Do you have any links on the missed hearing? First that I have ever heard of it. Also, the judge found nothing to punish him with in terms of the COC hearings, so much ado about nothing. Missed or not.
December 29th, 2014 at 8:22 pm
I’ll take a rich moron that wins any day of the week…..
December 29th, 2014 at 8:37 pm
He hasn’t played in the NFL so we don’t know if he can win or not.
December 29th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
“Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were widely considered the two best players available in the 1998 draft,[4] and scouts and analysts debated who should be selected first.[7][8][6] Many favored Leaf’s stronger arm and greater potential,[4][9] while others deemed Manning the more mature player and the safer pick.[10] Most observers, however, believed that it would not greatly matter whether Manning or Leaf was drafted first[11] because either would greatly benefit his team.[8]
The Indianapolis Colts owned the first draft pick that year. Team scouts favored Leaf, but Colts president Bill Polian and coaching staff preferred Manning, especially after discovering during individual workouts that he could throw harder than Leaf. Manning also impressed the team during his interview, while Leaf missed his.[10] Leaf’s draft prospect profile described the player as “self-confident to the point where some people view him as being arrogant and almost obnoxious”.[12] Leaf gained about 20 pounds between the end of his junior season and the NFL Combine in February, which Jerry Angelo, one of six experts Sports Illustrated consulted on the choice, described as “a [negative] signal” about his self-discipline. All six believed that Manning was the better choice, but the magazine concluded “What does seem reasonably certain is that … both Manning and Leaf should develop into at least good NFL starters”.” -Wiki
You could probably interchange Manning’s name with Mariota and Leaf’s name with Winston. Seems almost to the point except we don’t know about the combine yet.
December 29th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
People keep using this proven winner line. So what happens if he loses this Thursday or loses the championship game then what will be his selling point? He only lost once?
December 29th, 2014 at 8:51 pm
@armchair
Cleveland is a unique situation. The city has experienced explosive growth the past ten to 15 years of higher educated, higher earning yuppies. This has been good for their economy. These young flashy technocrats luv some Johnny Showtime because that’s how they’re wired.
The old time Cleveland folks whose fathers worked in mills and factories love Hoyer because Hoyer is a local kid who was prep star in Cleveland and a hero of the working man in Cleveland.
The two players perfectly represent the fan groups that support them.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:10 pm
Any franchise that drafts JaMarcus Winston will regret it very quickly
December 29th, 2014 at 9:26 pm
I can’t beleive so many people want a trouble maker have they never watch the NFL no room for that type player Owners and GMs don’t want them. Pay them to much money to have them getting in trouble and watching games from the sideline
December 29th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
Skyline: I think the part you are missing is that none of this would have ever been worthy of a blip in the news if not for the accusation of rape. Obviously that is serious but if you read the reports then I would find it hard to believe that anyone would believe a rape truly occurred. If her story is a lie than you have an entirely different situation. Now you have a player that played lights out football (and baseball), won the Heisman trophy and National Championship and earned All ACC academic honors while under the enormous pressure of a possible false rape conviction. Oh, and in case you thought it might be a fluke, he came back and one every game this year while orchestrating many last minute comebacks.
Mariota has no concept of the kind of pressure Winston has dealt with. Now, with that in mind, who is better prepared for the intensity of playing in the NFL. I’ll take the bad ass baller, #1 high school recruit in the nation, national champ over the system QB from the system that has yet to produce a QB worth a
damn all day everyday. But that’s just my opinion.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
* won every game
December 29th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
JBUC,
Take away the rape and you still have a kid who stole crab legs, caused $4,200 in damage with a bb gun, stole pop, and yelled obscenities. The kid doesn’t learn. He should stay a year and try to mature more.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:37 pm
Also, I would say Winston is closer to Manning than is Mariota. Both Winston and Manning played in pro style offenses in college while Mariota plays in a spread that only one team uses in the NFL. Please tell me of all the successful Oregon NFL QBs that have come out since they implemented this spread offense? I’ll wait…
December 29th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
@joe
Is there some reason my comments are delayed by 1-2 hours? My username was changed in August.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
Lets keep it real guys…No player in any draft is a guaranteed home run…That being said, we haven’t had a winning season around here in 6 or 7 years, so at this point what do we have to lose…
The bottom line is Winston is the better NFL prospect (QB) and Mariota is the better “person”…I prefer the best prospect, again what do we have to lose…
December 29th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
I’m sure someone has mentioned this already but father Dungy says NO to Winston.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
First, I don’t necessarily disagree with you that another year of school would do him some good as I really believe he is not a bad kid. However, I want the better QB for the Bucs. He is the better QB and I don’t think it’s close.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Quit making Winston into some kind of victim. He brought this on himself. This is not something he will grow out of in time or because some ex-player will take him under his wing. Behavior means something. It has consequences. He will do his best to reinvent himself but that won’t work. the kind of scrutiny that he is going to get will make it impossible to hide the fact that the guy is a good football player with weak character.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
How can you conclude that Winston is the better prospect. Mariota plays in a much better league, has better stats, and is a more respected person. His intangibles are off the scale. he is a student of the game. he is more mobile and a better overall athlete. he is faster and has just as strong an arm. He will show all of you who is the better quarterback on Thursday night.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
Joe, how about a daily lMariota update to parallel the one on Winston.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:50 pm
Chip Kelly calls Mariota the best prospect he has ever coached or seen.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
I love that Chip Kelly says it so it must be true. He may be a great prospect for that system but unless the Bucs play that system than you may have big problems. Again, how many Oregon QB’s are playing in the NFL now? They all out up huge numbers in college but can’t seem to make it work in the big leagues.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Winston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe, stop it already with the damn daily, Winston chants. Get of his jock. He has played good in college but doesn’t mean crap in the NFL. Can you say JaMarcus Russell or Vince young? Both First round busts. Not to mention this guy has a ton of baggage! Acts like a real scumbag!
December 29th, 2014 at 10:20 pm
^^Wow, you couldn’t possibly be slightly racist could you? Why not Gino Torreta or Joey Harrington or Tim Couch? Why Do you compare him to Jamarcus and Vince Young?
December 29th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
@ Brandon all I’m sayin is the acc sucks and he has throw a ton of int’s. Both true. And if you did what he has done off the field you prolly would have missed more than just a football game.
Missing a football game for exercising freedom of speech! I imaginge that your forefathers are rolling over in their graves-wanting to do that revolution thingy all over again.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
JBUC how is Christian Ponder and EJ Manuel doing?
December 29th, 2014 at 10:41 pm
Not sure why you would think just because a QB comes from a certain school they are an automatic NFL QB. Your argument has no reason behind it.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
“Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf were widely considered the two best players available in the 1998 draft,[4] and scouts and analysts debated who should be selected first.[7][8][6] Many favored Leaf’s stronger arm and greater potential,[4][9] while others deemed Manning the more mature player and the safer pick.[10] Most observers, however, believed that it would not greatly matter whether Manning or Leaf was drafted first[11] because either would greatly benefit his team.[8]
The Indianapolis Colts owned the first draft pick that year. Team scouts favored Leaf, but Colts president Bill Polian and coaching staff preferred Manning, especially after discovering during individual workouts that he could throw harder than Leaf. Manning also impressed the team during his interview, while Leaf missed his.[10] Leaf’s draft prospect profile described the player as “self-confident to the point where some people view him as being arrogant and almost obnoxious”.[12] Leaf gained about 20 pounds between the end of his junior season and the NFL Combine in February, which Jerry Angelo, one of six experts Sports Illustrated consulted on the choice, described as “a [negative] signal” about his self-discipline. All six believed that Manning was the better choice, but the magazine concluded “What does seem reasonably certain is that … both Manning and Leaf should develop into at least good NFL starters”.” -Wiki
You could probably interchange Manning’s name with Mariota and Leaf’s name with Winston. Seems almost to the point except we don’t know about the combine yet.
YOU IDIOT! You type so many words to make a point and the results of all the gibberish is that you contradict yourself. Payton and Winston have both been accused of sexaul assualt. They both played in a pro style offense in college. The offensive coordinator for both player in college said that Winston sees the field like Payton. Just say, “Winston is black; I don’t want him for a quarterback!” I am starting to be embarrassed for you.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
Loggedontosay, obviously reading comprehension is your fortay. Manning was the more mature safer pick. Leaf had problems and teams knew it. Mariota is the safer pick and more mature and is doubted just like manning was. Winston has troubles just like Leaf did and was considered the best. Nothing about sexual assault or anything en the story. Also, I didn’t write it, but I know you can’t read so I’ll give you a pass. Also, could care less that Winston is black, but by you pulling the race card I’m sure you are.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
JBUC, beside Manuel and Ponder, how is Weinke doing?
December 29th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Sorry Loggedon, I meant to say reading comprehension ISN’T your FORTE.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:14 pm
If we take Winston I think ’87 will have to let him live in his house so he doesn’t get in trouble and doesn’t turn in to Manziel or have a meltdown like Freeman.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:45 pm
I think Winston is going to blow Mariota’s doors off at the combine. Then it will be all over from there. Say hello to your new franchise quarterback Bucs fans.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
Winston was coveted for a loooong time, by many, many, many, MANY colleges.
Stanford included.
Now it’s time to do the right thing by us Buc fans for once and bring this boy-wonder to Tampa without hesitation. Then you guys can see what we Noles fans have enjoyed for the last 2 years.
He can stay though if he likes and wreak more havoc on your favorite college team next season if he wants to. FSU’s offense is sooooo young right now I guarantee that they WILL win the whole thing next season if not(probably not) this season.
Bring Jameis to Tampa PLEASE!
December 30th, 2014 at 12:00 am
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
December 29th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
JBUC, beside Manuel and Ponder, how is Weinke doing?
Weinke is 45 years old now…and Brad Johnson won a SB for us.
December 30th, 2014 at 12:17 am
I know Brad did. JBUC is sure that only one college produces QBs. No other program can. It is a stupid argument for him to make.
December 30th, 2014 at 12:34 am
Uh, that’s not what I said. I said Winston plays for and therefore benefits from a pro style offense. Mariota does not. He plays in a spead option style that only one team runs in the NFL. It’s somewhat comparable to drafting a QB from Ga Tech though the Oregon offense does throw the ball a lot more. There are other QBs that play in pro style offenses all around the country but few have been as prolific as Jameis over the past two years.
December 30th, 2014 at 4:15 am
Winston has shown a lot. Yes, he has thrown a lot of picks this year, he has also played most of this year with a high ankle sprain. The GT game is the first game in 2 months where he moved somewhat normally. I hope the Ducks are ready, because they will get his best game so far…without any doubt.
Winston has been hurt, nobody talks about it, but its true. If he’s as healthy as I think he is….it’ll be a duck hunt.
December 30th, 2014 at 7:20 am
What NFL team runs a spread option? There are NFL teams that run a spread offense. I don’t think I have seen an NFL team running the option though. Miami did back during the Wildcat, but I haven’t watched Miami in quite some time. Are they still running it?
December 30th, 2014 at 8:30 am
Enough with the “dungy says” stuff. Dungy was fired from tampa for the same reason lovie was fired from Chicago. Why all of a sudden does he become the qb/offense genius?
December 30th, 2014 at 6:37 pm
So skyline you are now hoping for Winston I assume. Everyone acts like Winston will be in prison soon after we draft him. If you remove one allegation that he was never convicted of and never even went to trial for, everything else that he has been crucified for is silly stuff that would be laughed off as simple college kid immaturity. On the field Winston is obviously the more pro ready player. Mariota is actually the big question mark being a QB in a gimmicky offense that has almost zero translation to running a pro style offense. If the Bucs don’t draft Winston I have a feeling they will regret it for more than a decade.