Jameis Watch: Sitting All Of Year 1
December 9th, 2014
ESPN shares interesting data on the subject
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Over at ESPN.com, Mike Sando penned a very long piece about a dozen NFL head oaches on the hot seat. Surprise! Lovie Smith didn’t make the list.
Buried in the story is a look at drafting a quarterback in the first round and not using him as a primary starter in his first season, or only sparingly.
There are some quality names in the bunch.
The chart below provides some perspective. It shows the 2014 Browns and the six teams since 2001 that left first-round rookie quarterbacks on the bench all season. Most of those other teams had winning records and middling passing stats. In some cases, there was a veteran starter with credentials much stronger than the ones Hoyer possesses.
If Manziel makes his starting debut in Week 15, he will join Tim Tebow and Rex Grossman as first-round rookies who made their first starts in that week. JaMarcus Russell did not start until the final week of his rookie season. Jay Cutler made his starting debut in Week 13 of his rookie year.
So would the Bucs consider drafting Jameis Winston or another quarterback in the first round and keeping him on the bench all season?
That would be hard to imagine, but it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Given all the hype that will follow Winston to his new team, he’s actually a prime candidate for the bench.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:06 am
Way to just randomly throw Manziel in there. Some things never change.
“Randomly?” The graph is from ESPN. It’s data, not opinion. –Joe
December 9th, 2014 at 10:14 am
It would be interesting to see this chart go back 3 or 4 decades. I bet more 1st round QBs sat out their 1st year in the 70s and 80s than do nowadays.
If we draft Winston or Mariota (we better get 1 of them) – I would be willing to bet neither spends an entire 1st season on the bench as both are way more talented than either of the QBs on our roster currently.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:22 am
Aaron Rodgers couldn’t do anything behind our OL. Not sure why you guys can’t see that we need to build from the bottom up?
December 9th, 2014 at 10:25 am
^^ Honestly, get the O line, maybe a DE and some secondary. Let Glennon start the year. If we suck, great we are in line for a decent QB with hopefully a better starting line.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Yeah but who starts in the meantime? Glennon and McCown stinks!!!
December 9th, 2014 at 10:33 am
No way the Bucs don’t pick a QB with the 1st overall pick. ITS A MUST
I know the offensive line is terrible, but they need someone to look forward to next season. After we pick Mariota (please) or Winston (wouldn’t be mad), our next 2 picks HAVE to be O-linemen to protect either/or.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:36 am
I think, even if it’s subconsciously, Joe wants the Bucs to get Winston because a controversial player like him would provide more clicks for the site and more things to write about. Remember the love for Manziel last year? Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it explains Joe’s love for Jameis when just about every other mock draft has us taking Mariota.
Or maybe Joe has stock in Mons. 😛
December 9th, 2014 at 10:37 am
gatrbuc17 Says:
December 9th, 2014 at 10:22 am
Aaron Rodgers couldn’t do anything behind our OL. Not sure why you guys can’t see that we need to build from the bottom up?
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gatrbuc – there’s no denying that OLine is the major weakness on this team. But for the most part, today’s NFL requires an above average QB to be consistently successful – and we ain’t got one. We have 2 good back up QBs and neither will progress beyond that level IMO.
We currently have the 1st pick in the draft and barring some miracle win against a better team in the last 3 games – will have our choice of TWO legitimate potential franchise QB prospects. That opportunity is VERY RARE and MUST be taken advantage of.
Draft OL with picks 2,3 and 4 if necessary (although we need a good DE almost as badly) – but we HAVE to take advantage of this opportunity and draft whichever QB the Bucs have rated the highest on their draft board in the 1st round.
No Ifs, Ands or Buts. WE MUST draft 1 of these 2 QBs if either or both are available when we pick. No trading up – if we miss out – then oh well- but if either is on the board when we pick – its a no-brainer.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:41 am
if the guy is that good go and get him…….but he sound like another character question to me.
I was talking to an FSU guy who knows them inside and out…. he says winston is a great guy…blah blah.
I ask what about character. he’s like well, it was just a rape accusation and he didn’t really steal the crab legs…he paid for them after they came to his house etc. etc…
just a rape accusation, didn’t really steal them…. LOL
ALRIGHTY THEN!
December 9th, 2014 at 10:48 am
Wilson at least runs a pro style offense, but sitting the bench when you are going to be the guy doesn’t make much sense. Anyone think Freeman sitting those 6 or 8 games helped him develop? Draft a QB along with some O Line and let them all start from game one.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:53 am
Mariota hands down! TD to INT ratio is insanely good. I think Mariota has the IQ and all the tools needed to become a franchise QB plus he is from Hawaii that’s cool.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:56 am
Fran Takenton on MMQB had an interesting take on the value of a ” franchise QB “. IMO we need to fix our O line first.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:58 am
If it is a choice between Trash McCown and Winston, you play Winston. Knowing LovieDovie he would continue to play his favorite sad sack.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:07 am
gatrbuc17 Says
“Aaron Rodgers couldn’t do anything behind our OL. Not sure why you guys can’t see that we need to build from the bottom up?”
FYI, When Arron Rodgers started, the green bay oline needed a revamp. Hence the losing record.
A simple truth YOU are not getting. It takes longer to develop a QB than it dies to develop and offensive line position. You draft the longest developer first.
AND, take a good long look at the history of offensive lineman being drafted. MOST first rounders do not work out. Only a few do.
Now you could argue the same about QBs, but we’ve actually tried the other rounds plenty. We need a first rounder.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:08 am
This is the NFL…top product should never b placed on layaway for later use. Pay now n not later is the same as play now n not later. Top players r paid for their services n not their attendance. PManning,EManning,Vick,Rothisburg, Newton, Stafford,Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, n Luck all set the benchmark for play now n not let ur valuables sit out like a trophy display.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:09 am
No QB is sitting on our bench. QBBC!
December 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am
As to which QB…I want the most accurate fast thinking QB of the two, who won’t be a bust.
Winston gives me more worries than Marcus does.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:11 am
Also, the reason Manziel hasn’t started is because of his poor work ethic and he doesn’t know the playbook. His words, not mine.
December 9th, 2014 at 11:37 am
there will be a bunch of free agent QB’s available. Grab one that can legit win a few games as well as draft a QB. Competition at all positions, simple as that!
December 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am
I am astounded any of you guys think Winston or Marriota could come in here and make us win. Outside of Andrew luck name how much success No. 1 or 2 over all QBs are doing. Solid OL makes average QBs look good. Bad OLs make even Great ones look bad. Get It?
December 9th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Depends on how much you think of the available QBs in the draft, and if you think they’ll be comparable QBs available down the road.
I wouldn’t roll the dice on a spread option QB, but, I would on a pro style like Winston. (I know how you feel about him already).
Now, last year, I would not have taken Manziel. Just don’t think his size and style of play (sandlot) equates to the NFL.
Looking for a big QB, hard to take down, pro-style, accuracy, big arm, with enough athleticism to extend plays while still looking downfield, etc.
December 9th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
gatrbuc17 Says:
December 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am
I am astounded any of you guys think Winston or Marriota could come in here and make us win.
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Get your head out of your butt gatorbuc. Nobody said we will be an instant winner with 1 of these 2 QBs.
You DON’T pass up the opportunity to draft a legitimate potential franchise QB if you don’t already have one and are lucky enough to have the opportunity staring you in the face. It is a a rare opportunity and we we must take advantage of it. Period – end of story.
We need at least 3 or 4 better OLine players than we have now. Good OLine players can be and are found in mid to later rounds of the draft and/or via free agency. That almost never happens with good QBs. Donald Penn was found walking the street. You can’t say that about any of the good QBs. It almost never happens. A Joe Montana or Russell Wilson in the 3rd round or a Tom Brady in the 6th round happens about maybe once every 10-15 years Maybe. And is sheer luck when it happens.
We can use picks 2,3,4 and 5 on Offensive line if necessary – but we have to take one of the top QBs with the 1st round pick if either is available to draft when our turn comes next year. “Simple as that……”
December 9th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
When the O-line is this bad the QB doesn’t really matter does it?
Aren’t you so glad that last years O-line was jettisoned? I know Jeremy Zuttah is glad to be outta there and playing with a contender
December 9th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
I am astounded you think we can’t get any OL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Joe why do you continue to highlight another bust in waiting ? This guy sucks and I pray we don’t even look at him. Quit this crap already.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
Mariota won the Johnny Unitas award and is in the running for the Davey O’Brien Award, for best quarterback, and Maxwell Award, for nation’s best player, which will be announced on Thursday. The kid is doing exceptional this year. Winston has regressed in his play. It will be exciting to see these two play each other. However, I think both offenses will be able to score, I believe that it will come down to which defense can make a few more stops.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Does Lovie seem like the type of coach who would draft a QB with his or the first overall pick in the draft? Not to me. I’m guessing Lovie looks at QB’s like the league looks a RB’s. A dime a dozen, always one to be found somewhere. Scour the reject pile of offerings, Lovie will dig up another gem like McCown. The top picks are reserved for O line improvements. QB’s, hell they are available everywhere.
December 9th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I think the biggest question is this, is the QB talent next year likely to be better or worse than this class? There are good QB classes and bad ones. We won’t be good next year either way, so if we go QB or OL this year we are likely getting the other with a high pick next year.
December 9th, 2014 at 2:25 pm
only palmer among those was a top 3 pick which is where we are likely to land. darn near unprecedented for a QB picked in the top 3 to ride the pine all season. as bad as the bucs look right now, they won’t be a team choosing between a playoff run and getting their rookie QB some reps next year
December 9th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
Pick6 if we draft Jameis we will be giving a Rookie QB reps and making a playoff run. All the kid does is win