Jameis Watch: Not Worth A Major Investment
December 2nd, 2014
Another former Buccaneer weighs in
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Ryan Nece, who sports a Buccaneers Super Bowl ring and played linebacker for six seasons on several great Monte Kiffin defenses, now spends his work days as an analyst on the Pac-12 Network, among others TV outlets. Nece also stays busy locally with multiple charity endeavors.
Nece hopped on WDAE-AM 620 today, via the Ronnie and TKras show, and proudly proclaimed the Bucs have a phenomenal head coach and several incredible assistants. So Nece has the utmost confidence in the Lovie Smith regime.
Nece is so darn confident, he said he doesn’t believe the Bucs even need to start searching for an offensive coordinator!
But Nece said the Bucs do need to go hunting for an elite quarterback. Jameis Winston, however, is not his guy.
Despite acknowledging Winston is “a proven winner” and literally raises the games of his teammates, Nece says Winston has “too many red flags” to be worthy of a team making him an early first-round pick. They “would not allow me, if I were a GM, to take that risk.”
Nece is firmly in the camp of Oregon QB Marcus Mariota, a guy he’s studied up close and personal.
You can hear all of Nece’s chat below, via 620wdae.com.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:00 pm
ewwwhhh…changing Mares mid stream..it seems….iota
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:03 pm
Nope! Trade that pick down and go with Bryce Petty….or even Prescott
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:07 pm
The picture says it all: “ummm ummmmm mmmmmm momma dem crab legs was sho nuff goood.”
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:08 pm
DRAFT O-LINEMEN AND PROTECT THE QB AND MAKE HOLES FOR THE RB’S!!!
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:09 pm
That’s what Nece thinks Joe….but don’t you want to know what we think?
@87……and to answer your question why it bothers me so much that Joe won’t run a poll of JBF readers….the answer is..
It doesn’t really bother me…..I just feel like there should be a voice among us that requests the obvious……if you’re going to invest in a daily article and expect your readers to read it…you should care about what their collective opinion is.
Joe says he’s waiting until Winston declares…..I’d be willing to bet he waits a lot longer than that.
Sir or Ma’am, the day Joe cares about collective opinion is the day Joe needs to hang up his keyboard.–Joe
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:10 pm
And…..I would add this…..the new OC will have tremendous input on our choice for QB…..
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:11 pm
Mariota or Hundley are really the only guys Lovie will consider. If Mike Williams is too unseemly for Lovie, Jameis has no shot.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:12 pm
Fine but explain to me how Mariota is any different from Griffin or Vick. They have one to three good years with their legs and then they are spent. May as well draft a RB in the first round.
And he’s right Winston isn’t worth the risk. It shouldn’t be either-or though.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:13 pm
yeah, even if you take away the off the field stuff… guy threw 4 picks saturday because he didn’t see / read underneth coverage (on 3 of them). Way too many bad throws for a top 10 pick. He has done that all season, not worth a high 1st round pick. We may have a average to below average qb now, but we have a league worst o line, so nothing will look good untill we address that
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Did someone say go with Prescott. Wow. Colin Cowherd just said he won’t get drsfted you’re saying use our first on Tebow. Wow. Go with petty or mariota. Period
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Fix the O-line, trust Glennon with an actual running game, pass blocking, and top 10 defense and we will be in business!
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Bucsfan4lyf Says:
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Fix the O-line, trust Glennon with an actual running game, pass blocking, and top 10 defense and we will be in business!
Bold..original thinking….
I will add…
trade down twice in the first round for picks this and next year…
admit….REBUILDING…stop insulting your fanbase
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:33 pm
@ RastaMon
As much as I hate to say it, we are rebuilding, Our offense is terrible, and it all starts up front. If we can fix our Oline, taht means more holes for the RB’s to run thru and better pass blocking for whoeever is playing QB.
I like Glennon, do I think he’s the “Franchise QB”? No. But with a great defense, good running game and weapons we have, he can make some noise for us.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Our offense is terrible because of the o Line and QB
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Our offense is terrible because of the o Line and QB
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Our offense is terrible because of the o Line and Lovie…
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:46 pm
It says there are 15 comments, but I do not see them on my PC or my iPad…Odd…
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:47 pm
Now they showed up…
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:53 pm
Depends if anything comes out of today’s announcement on FSU’s hearing into the alleged rape or Title IX violation. On one hand it’s sad that Jameis is in effect going through double jeopardy, he’s already been cleared of criminal charges, on the other hand if he is cleared in this investigation that pretty much kills any chances for a successful civil suit. And so in effect if Jameis gets this hearing behind him the deal is finally resolved.
IF…IF..that happens and there’s no longer any liability…I still think the smartest thing Jameis could do is stay in school. That is smartest in terms of $$$$$.
If Jameis get’s cleared and holds a press conference where he says all the right things about the serious nature of those charges and how he’ll be a lot more cautious when he’s out partying in the future, how he realizes he has made some “other” immature mistakes and so he’s decided to come back for his senior year to “mature”.
Then Jameis uses an image consultant, does every hospital tour, visits every school and says all the right things and uses his 100KW smile frequently…basically Jameis starts sucking up to society at large. If he did that he could write his own check next year. We’re not just talking draft position but with that smile we’re talking millions in endorsements.
I’d recommend Jameis spend another year in school.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:58 pm
A question for Joe and the rest of you. Regardless of which QB you wish to take, or if you even wish to stockpile linemen first, don’t we think Lovie better get a deal with an OC done and coordinate all of this with the new OC.
What self respecting OC wouldn’t want some input into important decisions like say…uh..who his QB is going to be.
December 2nd, 2014 at 2:59 pm
Oregon QB Marcus Mariota; See if their is any QB of value for trade or FA; Some available QB in the 2nd round…. Approach the situation in that order…
Not really believing these QBs this year are all that “special” as years past but likely 1 or 2 will pan out…. won’t matter though if they do not stand behind a decent o-line!
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:05 pm
Put me in the Deckerhoff camp. Winston will win a Super Bowl in the NFL and I hope it’s with the Bucs. So far, it has been proven that Winston walked out of Publix w $20 worth of merch and yelled an obscenity. Hardly reason to believe that he’s going to be a character problem at the next level.
Seriously, doesn’t anyone remember this?
http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:09 pm
StPete,
I’m not sure you can use smart and Jameis Winston in the same sentence.
And if he does indeed have consultants they may be advising him to go Pro ASAP. I’m sure they will be reminding him of Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina’s running back who blew out his knee his junior year and never really recovered from it.
Remember a lot of “experts” we’re telling Clowney not to play his junior year for fear he may be seriously injured. Actually a lot of people might tell you Clowney didn’t play his junior year. He still was the #1 overall pick.
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Jameis has a shot to end the season with more INTs than TDs against a very poor schedule. Before you even factor in the off the field stuff his draft stock is plunging. He might even be there in the 2nd round.
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:42 pm
“if you’re going to invest in a daily article and expect your readers to read it…you should care about what their collective opinion is.”
TBBF says you. Not Joe obviously.
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:43 pm
i can’t think of a guy in this boat, but it would be a godsend this offseason to get our hands on a carson palmer, alex smith, or (late career) Kurt Warner type of QB who isn’t Peyton Manning but has been a winner & leader of men with some meaningful success and is getting nudged out by his organization. if a guy like that comes available we should be all over him and focus our early draft on manning up in the trenches. maybe look at a connor cook or something this year and let him know the job is his if he EARNS it.
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:46 pm
@CreamsicleBananaHammock …I said Winston will win a SB long before Deckerhoff did. I’ll also continue to stand by my statement that he wins one within 3 years from being drafted. Nothing’s changed my mind about him.
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:47 pm
agreed 87
All the kid does is win. I see the same competitiveness and hatred of losing in him that makes the great ones great
December 2nd, 2014 at 3:56 pm
The title of this article could also be: Jameis Watch: Not Worth A Daily Segment. #SuckfortheDuck
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:03 pm
Jameis is truly starting to look like he might not even get drafted in the 1st round. Even if he was a saint off the field, I don’t want him bcuz of his Freeman-esque skillset and potential. Or Jamarcus Russell. Mariota is a wayyyy more elite prospect.
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:10 pm
The “all he does is win” argument is literally the Tebow argument redux. So if you were against Tebow and are using that argument for Jameis, you’re not very bright.
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:10 pm
“the day Joe cares about collective opinion is the day Joe needs to hang up his keyboard.–Joe”
Joe cares about the collective opinion of his readers when it comes to the “Lovie Confidence” poll…..I fail to see what the difference is.
I know Joe isn’t a hypocrite so it must be he cares about “selective opinion”
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:16 pm
This team will rue the day it passed on Jameis – if they end up foolishly doing so. He has all of the tools. Marcus Mariotta is just another running QB in a college offense that isn’t asked to make half the reads or half the throws that Jameis is asked to every week.
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:27 pm
“Fix the O-line, trust Glennon with an actual running game, pass blocking, and top 10 defense and we will be in business!”
This isn’t 1998 anymore. You either get yourself a top-10 caliber QB or you continue to win between 3 and 8 games a year until you figure it out. Glennon’s probably the 15th best QB in the NFC. He’s not taking anyone to the playoffs – and neither is McCown.
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:35 pm
The Florida defense has a lot of NFL-calibre players, which could be a preview as to how Winston would look against an NFL team…….
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:37 pm
@KJ…I concur. If the Bucs trade down or pick up an O-lineman with that 2nd pick in the draft, then still suck and Winston or Mariota turn out to shine, then that’s it for me. That will be the dagger in my fandom. I will switch to hockey.
I wholeheartedly mean it this time. Now if the Bucs pass on both of them, and the team sucks next year as well as Winston and Mariota, I might stick around.
If the Bucs blow this chance and Mariota or Winston are there on the board and they go o-line or DE…then they are on thin ice with me from there on out. They better improve drastically or I’m done.
Perhaps I’ll just put them on the shelf for about the next 10 years or so. I promise I won’t jump back on the bandwagon if they start winning before those 10 years are up.
Thin ice. I wonder how many other Buc fans are out there that are going to be thinking the same way come draft day.
RJS will be empty next season with or without a shiny new QB after this season anyways, but it certainly would help ticket sales. That’s what it’s going to take, whether other fans think so or not. Ticket sales are going to plummet even more after this season of NOT winning a home game. It’s going to take a big name QB and if my last name was Glazer I would already know this
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:48 pm
Jameis is an emotionally/socially retarded manchild…..with big money in his pocket…no supervision…and a posse in waiting with no consequence….BWhahahaahahahaha
December 2nd, 2014 at 4:56 pm
“the day Joe cares about collective opinion is the day Joe needs to hang up his keyboard.–Joe”
Joe cares about the collective opinion of his readers when it comes to the “Lovie Confidence” poll…..I fail to see what the difference is.
I know Joe isn’t a hypocrite so it must be he cares about “selective opinion”
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You nailed it TBBF
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:01 pm
87 you know you can like hockey and football both right? And besides you gotta know Lovie is not drafting a QB right? He won’t play Glennon who is obviously better than McCown. He just does not trust young guys.
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:12 pm
@ 87
I am in the Marriota or Winston camp…..whichever falls to us at 2 or 3….I don’t want to trade up…..we could trade down and pick up Cook or Petty to compete with Glennon. I suspect our new OC will drive that decision.
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:21 pm
I’m in the trade down twice in the top half of the 1st round !…..gather picks for 2015 & 2016……
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
I don’t care who the Bucs draft and it would’nt matter if I did. I’ll always follow them and watch their games. I aint going nowhere, don’t try to send me nowhere, don’t look for me to go nowhere, cause I’m not going anywhere. Until I draw my last breath, that is.
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:34 pm
@ Bucfan37
Like me…..will have to pry the ticket or remote from my cold dead hands!!!
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:43 pm
i hope both fall to us, and we trade down for a boatload of picks. i don’t want to choose between josh freeman and joey harrington
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:46 pm
Thanks for that racist comment Ray Rice. Nice to see you finally come out of the closet. Now you can wash your white sheets in public.
December 2nd, 2014 at 6:07 pm
Wouldn’t be a JBF article if ddneast didn’t accuse someone of being a racist…
December 2nd, 2014 at 6:10 pm
” Bucs have a phenomenal head coach and several incredible assistants.”
Have I missed something about this coaching staff. This team sucks! We have 2 freakin wins. And look like dog sh!t week after week.
December 2nd, 2014 at 6:40 pm
N.F.L. General Mangers,will see what both Quarterbacks do in the combines.
December 2nd, 2014 at 6:57 pm
Unique perspective from the former Bucs’ defensive player: The Bucs don’t need to start searching for an OC…
I hope he means until after the season
December 2nd, 2014 at 7:01 pm
@Ray Rice
Cool racism, bro.
Hope it was you getting whooped by those bengals fans.
December 2nd, 2014 at 7:17 pm
Mariota
December 2nd, 2014 at 7:27 pm
Racism? I got family from the South. And they all talk like that. White Black Hispanic etc…check your facts brother. Its your racist minds thinking that way. Next time you go to Texas Arkansas Tennessee Atlanta etc…let me know.
December 2nd, 2014 at 7:28 pm
Or should I say BRO? Brother sounds racist too huh?
December 2nd, 2014 at 7:41 pm
Mariota has a nice throwing motion and has a very fast release. Doesn’t hurt that he can scramble around and is a big guy.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:02 pm
After seeing Winston. Mariotta is looking better and better.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:11 pm
Starting to lean towards Mariota. Winston has looked like trash for weeks. 4 INT’s against Florida???
Florida State is last year’s Auburn.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:16 pm
Some guys at my job think we are going after Brian Hoyer? Any truth to that
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:26 pm
@ray rice
Yes, we are all either from the south, or have southern family.
However, neither I, nor my family speak like mammy from gone with the wind.
Your comment is overtly racist.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:45 pm
@Matthew
Well my family is and they do. Sorry if you feel that way.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:50 pm
Marcus Mariota because he is not only mobile….he is accurate. The only knock on him is his knees, but he is accurate so can also be a pocket passer.
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:57 pm
@ray rice
Oh lawdy! Your kin be talkin like dat? Well, I guess you ain’t be no racist den.
Take a step back and look at what you wrote.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:04 pm
Yes my family is from the south. Yes they talk like that. No. We are not racists. Bro!
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:09 pm
Think about that post.
What were you trying to convey?
You were trying to caption a picture with OBVIOUSLY racist diction. The fact that you have family that lives in the south does not excuse you. You are a bigot, and a racist.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:13 pm
@Matthew
Which do you prefer, brother or bro? I don’t like when people call me bro. Thats a stereotypical word people used to classify hippies and people from Califorina. I’m from California. Call me Ray please. I don’t like brother either. It sounds too racist. Thank you.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:15 pm
Only thing I’m conveying is that you are a hypocrite and a dumba$$ that’s it. Nothing major.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Ok ray. You are a bigot and a racist. Captioning a photo with the commentary that you did speaks for itself. But go ahead and keep minimalizing it, if it makes you feel better.
And for reference, I was playing off of the oft used “cool story, bro”.
The fact that you continue to weakly attempt defense of your RACIST comment only confirms my point.
Go to hell.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Apparently Warren Sapp had too many red flags when we drafted him.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:24 pm
Ray Rice is not a racist, he just likes to beat women behind closed elevator doors. 😉
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:31 pm
@Matthew
Nice chatting with you Bro/Brother.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:34 pm
@ray rice
You too, you horrible POS.
December 2nd, 2014 at 9:37 pm
@Walkdaplank
Awwwww man why you have to go there. Is it because I’m of a different color that you are attacking me? @MatthewPlus might think your comment is racist. It’s all good though. I love my wife.
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:25 pm
TBBF…71 comments and counting. Do you still need to know why Joe keeps putting up Jameis Watch?
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:34 pm
I agree. The DUCK is the way to go. He can do it all, just like Winston, but doesn’t have the red flags
December 2nd, 2014 at 10:34 pm
A ringing endorsement of Lovie is enough to turn a deaf ear.
December 2nd, 2014 at 11:05 pm
bucrightoff Says:
December 2nd, 2014 at 5:01 pm
“87 you know you can like hockey and football both right?”
Look man, the way the NFL is becoming so ticky tacky with penalties these days and our team sucking the way they do. Why bother with it all if they say screw the QB position, we’ve got it covered on draft day?
The Bucs and Noles football. That’s all I’ve really cared about for the past 15 years or so. Before that I was a hard core Red Sox, Bucs, Noles, and Celtics fan.
Then I realized how much baseball was set up for the team with the most money wins. So I quit watching it and only follow the box scores and standings daily while the season is going on. I still root for the Sox. You can’t take the Boston out of me. So baseball is out for me. Basketball I grew up LOVING as a kid. I played it a lot as a kid in my neighborhood. Hell we had the Celtics with Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish. What’s not to get excited about? Then I watched the game change awhile back and it pissed me off to no end and still does. Does the NBA always allow 3 steps to the basket? Because it happens so frequently when I watch the game for just a few seconds, I have to turn the channel and shake my head. The game changed too much.
Now if the yellow flags were flying and the Bucs were still winning games despite all the ticky tacky rules of today, I might think differently. They are not winning though are they? I can deal with the losing. I’ve been a HUGE fan since 1987 so I’ve seen losing teams. When you couple the losing with the constant flags from today’s ticky tacky NFL, one has to wonder why bother following anymore.
That’s why a first round QB, bust or not will keep me following. A good QB can make up for terrible penalties. Like I said though, they’ll be on thin ice with me as fan if they pass up on those 2 QB’s in the first and those 2 QB’s go on to shine in the NFL.
I have a cousin that’s a die hard Pat’s fan. I was watching the Pats vs Packers game with him last Sunday. All of a sudden he just goes into a tirade in the 2nd quarter, screaming all up and down how refs are dictating the today’s NFL. He went onto say that the NFL is going to lose LOTS of fans if it stays this way. This coming from a what 9-3 Patriots fan? So I got to thinking for a second. I thought wait a second here. This Pats fan is complaining about the refs because the Patriots are getting bad calls against them by the refs. How does he think I feel as a Bucs fan? We can’t win any games to begin with and then the deck is stacked against us by today’s NFL on top of it. It’s double jeopardy man.
Sorry this went a lot longer than I intended.
December 2nd, 2014 at 11:16 pm
“Then I realized how much baseball was set up for the team with the most money wins.”
You mean like the Red Sox? 😉
December 2nd, 2014 at 11:18 pm
WalkdaPlank…nope that would be the Yankees. LOL
December 2nd, 2014 at 11:26 pm
WalkdaPlank…btw I’m teetering towards Mariota too and I’m hoping that Jameis will stay at FSU to make my thinking easier. Even though I don’t call the shots.
I think the off field distractions have finally caught up to this 20 year old kid and it’s mentally getting to him on the field. Congratulations media, mission accomplished.
December 3rd, 2014 at 12:09 am
@87 I think that would be the best thing for Winston to do, like Mariota last year. I mean, look at what has happened to Johnny Boy, every little thing he does makes the top story on BSPN (imagine Joe if Johnny were here), he flicks off the Redskins and people don’t shut up about him for weeks. Winston would get the same treatment.
Ever since Joe’s first Jameis Watch open thread against Louisville Winston has been on a steady decline this season (coincidence?). Mariota has done nothing but dominate this season while Winston has me worried. I’d still take him if he declared, but it’d be a much more difficult decision if Mariota is still on the board as well.
December 3rd, 2014 at 12:11 am
Well compared to Tampa Bay the Red Sox are the kid in high school that drove a brand new Shelby GT500 while the Rays have to take the bus to school.
December 3rd, 2014 at 12:28 am
WalkdaPlank …which is why I could never be a Rays fan. The deck is too stacked against them.
December 3rd, 2014 at 2:38 am
i’d take mariota over winston at this point mariota is not throwing all those int’s but bucs need to hire a oc who has worked with chip kelly.
December 3rd, 2014 at 3:46 am
Put this right up there along with your dream for Manchild that will never happen.
M&M will be the guy Lovie and Licht go after.
Count on it, unless Hoyer hits the market than I’m not so sure he doesn’t end up on their radar.
December 3rd, 2014 at 3:47 am
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