Jameis Watch: The Better QB?
November 3rd, 2014
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s regular nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Joe is truly torn between who he would pick: Florida State uber quarterback Jameis Winston or Oregon’s running, scrambling Marcus Mariota.
The two guys are as polar opposite as they get.
Winston is without question the most polished pro-style quarterback in college football. Whoever may be No. 2 is a far, far, far distant second. His accuracy is just sick. Winston threads needles that for 98 percent of quarterbacks would be pick-sixes.
But with Winston, you get the full package. As advanced as he is on the football field, as much of a leader he is with the team, he is the opposite off the field. Even Bobby Bowden, who rarely if ever has a cross word about someone, slammed Winston in a recent radio interview for having the mentality of a grade school student.
Mariota is a posterchild off the field. On the field, he is excellent at what he does, but that rarely translates into an NFL star quarterback. The few quarterbacks who excelled at spread option offenses took years to master the NFL game. Alex Smith springs to mind.
Could Mariota ever develop into an NFL star, and would Bucs overlord of football operations Lovie Smith have the balls to select a guy that likely won’t turn the corner until after Lovie is gone?
Then again, you won’t be lying awake through the night waiting on an ugly phone call from your team’s security chief about some hassle Mariota got himself in.
Winston? Clutch. A champion. yet, a problem child away from football. Mariota? A winner who is not clutch but a champion in life.
What is an NFL guy to do?
Daniel Jeremiah, a former NFL scout who works for NFL.com, decided to break down the pros and cons of both Jameis and Mariota.
When teams compare those guys, they’ll go down a checklist of traits. They’re very different players. As a pocket passer, Winston’s more refined. In terms of athletic ability, give the edge to Mariota because of his ability to make plays with his legs. Character-wise, Mariota has a big edge — there will be a lot of digging into Winston’s background, and his off-field issues are well documented. Mariota earns rave reviews when it comes to character.
I think the team that drafts Mariota has to commit to using him as a runner and not just a pure pocket passer. That’s a big part of the reason why he’s compared to NFL QBs like Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson.
Now, Winston is coming off arguably the worst half of football in his college career. He struggled mightily before showing what he’s capable of in the second half as he led FSU back to beat Louisville. As far as playing from the pocket and delivering the ball accurately, I think Winston is further along in his development than Mariota.
If Lovie thinks he has years of job security, Mariota might be the guy and one would have to be patient.
If Lovie thinks he needs a quick turnaround, it may be Jameis. The Bucs would just need to hire him a 24/7 security guard.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:09 pm
It’s a shame the draft is’nt tomorrow, so whichever one it is could start next game.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:12 pm
Is Winston smarter than he appears? It seems like he finds something dumb to do every month and he certainly doesn’t come off too bright when he’s talking in interviews.
That’s my biggest concern. Zipping balls past college kids is one thing, but learning an NFL playbook and having to adjust to an NFL defense is another. If he isn’t really committed to being a student of the game he could end up as Jamarcus Russel or Ryan Leaf 2.0
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:16 pm
If I hear be “patient” one more time my head is going to explode.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:18 pm
I am sure this is very unlikely, but is there any chance that one of Cleveland’s quarterbacks might be available after the season? It doesn’t seem like they need two starters and they may find themselves in a situation similar to San Diego when they had both Drew Brees and Philip Rivers to choose from.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:19 pm
You people who don’t want Winston are morons. People said the same sh*t about Marino.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:26 pm
Buc44. Cleveland has 2 starters. U r kidding, right?
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:27 pm
Does this mean we will get a Mariota Watch too Joe?
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:29 pm
“the quarteback of the future” has been exposed. I would be looking under every rock and cranny for his replacement.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:31 pm
“the quarterback of the future” has been exposed. I would be looking under every rock and cranny for his replacement.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:41 pm
Marino didnt have the baggage the Winston comes with. U sir are the moron
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:44 pm
It’s amazing to me that people act like Winston won’t grow and mature as he gets older. He’s 20 years old and has been under a microscope like no other for 2 years. He was academic all ACC last year while leading the football team to an undefeated National Championship season and playing a major part of their nationally ranked baseball team.
It seems pretty clear to me that people running their mouth about Winston know very little about him.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:45 pm
I have no doubt this kid has a lot of maturing to do off the field but on the field he’s eactly what we need in a leader and a winner!
I can see him getting on a veteran for missing a assignment and making a scene! I can also see him rallying the team to wins despite having many issues on the roster.
Winston to Evan to Sims to Jenkins looks really good on paper with a new C and RG and LT!
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:46 pm
Its All About Ignoramous Jameis!!!
I know the dude’s a retard…. But like I said before Bucs Fans?? Are We lookin for a guy to Marry our Daughters??? Or do our grocery shopping??? OR ARE WE LOOKIN FOR A FRANCHISE QB???
I may f with him calling him Ignoramous Jameis, But in THE SCHOOL OF FOOTBALL, This Dude is in The GIFTED CLASS!!!
His QB Intellect & Instincts are 2nd Nature! A Born Leader!!! And He’s Got That ‘IT FACTOR’!!!
Last Chance for the Billionaire Bros to MAKE A MOVE!!! Like their Daddy Did with Gruden!! BOLD MOVES If You Want To GO BIG!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:46 pm
I would cut Collins or take a pay cut and move to RG! Trade or cut EDS and cut Johnson because that’s a waste of money!
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:49 pm
I do not think Mariota will translate to the NFL that well. Winston should be drafted if he is available (which he should be for the bucs). Derrick Brooks will still be able to mentor him as well.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:49 pm
Get Winston out of the college atmosphere and he MIGHT grow up.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:50 pm
As much as I Bash on Lovie, he may be one of the few coaches able to balance this kid out…. OFF THE FIELD though! I don’t even want Lovie GLANCING at the Offense… Do it Like Dungy Did it in Indy! Leave the O Alone!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:51 pm
Not everybody matures well after college. NFL locker rooms aren’t exactly breeding grounds of maturity.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:53 pm
Just google : The Legend of Jameis Winston.
The story will tell you why he’s so good today in college and why he won;t be a bust in the pros. The kid knew how to read defenses in middle school..I don’t know how rare that is, but I’m pretty sure it’s not all that common.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:53 pm
“Derrick Brooks will still be able to mentor him as well.”
I pray to Jesus Christ Mohammed that we find a role for DB at One Buc! Now THATS a Born Leader! And Wise as Hell!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:54 pm
^ and most of us don’t stay the same person we were as freshman in college.
November 3rd, 2014 at 8:56 pm
OK, this is kind of like choosing between Kristen Stewart & Megan Fox–you are going to do well whichever. I am an FSU fan & I think Winston’s ”character issues” are way overblown. Nevertheless, I lean toward Mariota. I was watching him Saturday & he missed some passes, but I LOVE the way he gets out of the pocket & is down-field before you can blink.And he doesn’t throw picks. To me, Marcus looks like another Colin, but better.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:00 pm
“People said the same sh*t about Marino.”
And they still say it. Marino is dumber than a bag of rocks. I do not recall anybody questioning his character however.
BTW For all his passing records Marino won how many Super Bowls playing for a HOF coach, recognized as one of the greatest of all time?
But look how many times Marino reached the big show? Oh once eh.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 pm
I’ve been told by people who are around him every day that he is a smart kid.
” He is the best leader we’ve had, he’s smart has good character but can be a bit silly and immature off the field at times but that’s changing soon” Is what I believe to be the exact quote. I know it would be very uncharacteristic of JBF commenters to be talking out of their as_es. If you just the last game the commentators spent tons of time pointing out how smart of a QB Jameis was getting out of bad play and into good ones and talked about how well he read the defenses.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:04 pm
“Get Winston out of the college atmosphere and he MIGHT grow up.”
Yeah that’s what usually happens “87. Dump millions on an immature cement head and watch him “grow up”. If Jameis comes to Tampa I want to buy some stock in the most popular strip clubs.
Someone made an excellent point earlier. Jameis needs to go somewhere far away from Florida. He needs to get away from his peeps. Here in Tampa he might end up like Mike Williams.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:05 pm
If we draft him you’ll have to keep the Jameis watch going so I can check every morning to see if he’s been arrested the night before.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:08 pm
Mike J…that’s all fine and dandy if your going to tailor your offense around Mariota’s skills like Joe basically stated. If your not willing to come up with read options and lots of roll outs, then you go with Winston.
I still say an FSU QB in state ,trumps any other QB out there. Just that fact alone will have the Glazers wanting this kid thus I believe they will lean on Lovie hard for Winston. No matter is off field issues. Winston WILL sell lots of tickets to FSU fans that might quickly become Buc fans if they aren’t already to begin with.
My brother lives in Sarasota and he’s a long time Pats fan. He’s also FSU alumni. He already told me if the Bucs draft Winston he’ll buy season tickets for his whole family of 6. I just think he’s only one FSU house out of thousands that feel the same way.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:13 pm
StPeteBucsFan…I’ve also told you numerous times that I could really give a rats arse what he does OFF the field. As long as it never shows up on Sunday’s. So far in college in never shows up Saturdays. I don’t expect that to change with more money.
You do and you have a right to your opinion…nothing you say will ever change mine. I’ve wanted this kid since week 3 of last season. Nothing’s changed with that either.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:17 pm
“If Lovie thinks he has years of job security, Mariota might be the guy and one would have to be patient.
If Lovie thinks he needs a quick turnaround, it may be Jameis. The Bucs would just need to hire him a 24/7 security guard.”
You might have hit on an astute observation there Joe.
So which shall it be?
Muck it for Mariota?
or
Wash out for Winston?
At 1-7 the Bucs seem to be doing their part to achieve one or the other.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:20 pm
Winston is by far the best QB in college football… He is also the biggest A-hole in college football…
Mariota and Huntley are not the answer… No, no, no…
If Winston is gone when we pick second we should trade down or add the best defensive player available at ANY position except tackle… Maybe a pass rushing DE would be nice… We still don’t have one…
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:24 pm
“Someone made an excellent point earlier. Jameis needs to go somewhere far away from Florida. He needs to get away from his peeps. Here in Tampa he might end up like Mike Williams.”
This makes no sense whatsoever, getting away from his ‘peeps’??? What? His Fellow college students??? Mike Williams had ‘peeps’… An insane brother, a clown ass wannabe rap group…. And they followed his ass from Buffalo NY to The Bay, and back…
Winston has a mob of 40,000 college students, (and his QB Play is generating $MILLIONS$ to their school and the ACC)… but as soon as he’s out of that atmosphere?? who knows??? but the Dudes swagger and and pure talent lifted that program back from the dead… Bowden couldnt even do what he did… Its time to ROLL THE DICE & Go ALL IN!!! Tired of Playing it Safe!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:28 pm
Jameis… Maybe immature and less than best off field judgement but get off this dumb crap! The kid was accepted to Stanford and seriously considering going there instead of FSU. Get real!
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Winston, nuff said!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:37 pm
Listen nobody is arguing that Jameis doesn’t have talent. Only the FSU homers are arguing that his off field mistakeS.
Football is a team sport. You FSU homers sell yourself short. Do we believe Jameis had a little help. He had more NFL talent than the current Bucs. OK that’s hyperbole but not by much.
FSU finished with seven players selected in the NFL draft overall after having a nation-leading 11 drafted in 2013.
He was tossing the pigskin to a first round pick!
Former FSU wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin (first round), defensive back Lamarcus Joyner (second), Jernigan (second) and safety Terrence Brooks (third) were all selected during the opening three rounds.
Six more Noles were signed to free agent deals. Are you all getting this?
Jameis quarterbacked a team LOADED with NFL talent!!!
Of course Oregon has also sent it’s share to the NFL so it’s not like Mariotta is carrying the Ducks by himself.
Bring on Dak Prescott!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Joe,
It’s poll time, don’t you think? Potential Questions our 1st pick
Mariota?
Winston?
Other?
Other than QB?
Trade Pick?
Track the poll results Now, End of Season, Just Prior to Draft…..
After all….we’ve had much less important polls…….
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:39 pm
Other QB
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:42 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:37 pm
Listen nobody is arguing that Jameis doesn’t have talent. Only the FSU homers are arguing that his off field mistakeS.
Football is a team sport. You FSU homers sell yourself short. Do we believe Jameis had a little help. He had more NFL talent than the current Bucs. OK that’s hyperbole but not by much.
FSU finished with seven players selected in the NFL draft overall after having a nation-leading 11 drafted in 2013.
He was tossing the pigskin to a first round pick!
Former FSU wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin (first round), defensive back Lamarcus Joyner (second), Jernigan (second) and safety Terrence Brooks (third) were all selected during the opening three rounds.
Six more Noles were signed to free agent deals. Are you all getting this?
Jameis quarterbacked a team LOADED with NFL talent!!!
Of course Oregon has also sent it’s share to the NFL so it’s not like Mariotta is carrying the Ducks by himself.
Bring on Dak Prescott!!!
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Yeahhhh… Um, noooooo.
….Winston.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:44 pm
Joe,
Getting real tired of this Jemeis Watch BS.
Your saying both that our current QB sucks and that the team is going to suck enough to draft this future bust.
How about putting some effort into a story.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:47 pm
We need Winston more than he needs us. Let the tall drink of water start the rest of the season so we can lose out and then draft Famous Jameis.
The Bucs need to purposely lose out in order to draft Jameis.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:53 pm
No matter what Dribble you post about Jameis……
You are not going to sway the people who want Jameis
You are not going to sway the people who want Mariota
You are not going to sway the people who want glennon (yet).
How about a daily Fire Lovie story.
November 3rd, 2014 at 9:59 pm
StPeteBucsFan…again I’ve stated numerous times to you that the Noles had a great defense last season that kept putting Winston back out onto the field a lot which padded his stats.
This season however he’s had to deal with lots of adversity on and off the field. He’s had to play from behind in numerous games. Yet he and the team find a way to win. Without Jameis this season the Noles would have about 4 losses easy.
I feel safer taking a QB that’s had to deal with adversity and leading his team to victory over one that’s blowing out every team in the nation. Which is what he did last season.
So I’m glad he’s had to deal with his team having to play from behind. He’s going to need to have that fight in him if he wants to play for our scrub of a team. Believe me Jameis has plenty of fight in him. Most QB’s after throwing 3 INT’s would wilt under that pressure. NOT Jameis, not Jameis.
I liken him it to Rocky Balboa in Rocky 4. The Russian would knock him down and he immediately got back up only to get knocked down again, but he kept coming and coming.
Or perhaps this song with lyrics is more fitting….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxNWVwU11l8
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Mike Glennon is approaching Josh Freeman status of wasted opportunity.
Glennon surpassed Shaun Kings career record for TDs… yet decided to uncharacteristically throw more INTs than TDs yesterday against a beatable Browns team. So Glennon has failed to step it up… just like in the pre-season when he blew it there too.
I do think Arroyo is a clown too… with all those dumb low percentage passes as if they are normal every drive bread and butter plays. Arroyo has NO B and B plays.
So… just lose out and draft Jameis.
And fire Arroyo too.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:04 pm
Agree with TampaBayBucfan.
How about a poll Joe. We’ve pretty much litigated Jameis to death. He’s talented enough but is he another JFro, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus…time will tell.
Meanwhile how about a look at some other QB’s. Not just Prescott…I know he’s only a junior anyway hard to know if he comes out. I think if Mullen leaves Prescott may go with him.
Connor Cook is another QB who interests me. I do not believe MSU has the same talent as FSU or Oregon so Cook is perhaps more responsible for their success. Like the other MSU QB Prescott…Cook is only a junior. I don’t see him coming out this year.
Surely on a board with such well informed fans you guys have some dark horses. I get you Jameis lovers. I’m just bored talking about him. Aren’t there any Tom Brady’s in this draft. You guys must have some unheralded faves!
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:06 pm
Since Jameis can’t be here to speak for himself, he would probably like me to say ‘F#ck all of you in the a$$!!!’
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Knock it off OMG or we’ll have to shoot you with our BB gun.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:21 pm
@stpetebucs
I got a sleeper at QB for ya. His name is Rakeem Cato from marshal. He currently has marshal going undefeated. Got size, athletic ability and a pretty good arm. He’s defiantly not your average QB. He doesn’t have that pretty boy image like some of these QB nowadays. Came from a tough background in a rough part of miami. Makes u want to root for the kid even more.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Mariota > Winston
Winston wind up to throw is as slow at Leftwich, in today’s NFL you need someone that can throw the ball quick and make plays with his legs. I don’t think Mariota will need alot of time to get used to the NFL, just a coach that will play to this strengths and not make him a pocket passer. He is as athletic as Kaepernick and has better accuracy than him.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:30 pm
Winston would fit right in with this QB group with the way he throws those INT’s!
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Seriously, though, I do agree with the Leftwich-type windup from Winston and I think that could possibly end up being his demise in the NFL…. Any thoughts on that, Joe? I Definitely think Marriota is the better choice overall. Other than Winston’s performance in clutch situations and pro-style offensive experience, Marriota has all the better physical and mental attributes. I really do think that windup will be a huge hindrance in the NFL.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Mariota comes across as quiet and soft. And with the offense he’s running you don’t see him dealing with a dirty pocket very often. At least with Jameis you know he can deal with people hanging all over him.
Having just dealt with a legitimate nut case as our franchise QB – the idea of Jameis running loose worries me. Even with Glennon proving on a weekly basis that he’s probably not the guy I’m not convinced Lovie drafts a QB top 5.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:41 pm
bucsfan4lyf…ha ha ha the same wind up as Leftwich…ha ha ha ha…..Now I’ve heard it all and you even got someone to agree. I swear you people don’t watch enough college football as I do. Seeing I like it 10 times more than the NFL.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:43 pm
It was the FIRST 3 int game in his career…you guys got nothing.
Leftwich….I’m still laughing..
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:47 pm
I mean in all seriousness, it’s too early for another emotionally immature QB wearing #5 on this team. If Lovie gets fired and they do draft Jameis he should be forced to change numbers.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:49 pm
I’d take my chances with Winston eventually growing up and getting past those off the field problems. He is freaking amazing. One stat that is the most amazing of an college QB I have followed in a while is that Winston QB rating goes to like 110+ when his team is behind.
Freaking amazing!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:55 pm
All Mariota does is score TDs and rarely throws INTs. I can’t say the same for Winston. Yes Winston throws TDs as well, but he has his fair share of INTs to go with it. As for this year Mariota is currently leading Winston in the completion department 68.1% to 67.2%. It is only by 1%, but still to say Mariota is not as accurate as Winston is stupid. Also, Mariota is the #1 rated QB and Winston is #19. I know I know, stats don’t matter. Winston has the IT factor although he hasn’t shown it in the past few games by having to comeback in every game because he has been slow to start.
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:55 pm
Poll Us Joe….
Inquiring minds want to know…..and also some inquiring mindless…..
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:56 pm
Marcus Mariota is the truth!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watchv=_MVh-KkUEGA
And Winston DOES have a slow throwing motion, I’m not the only 1 that thinks that…
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/42037852963342336
November 3rd, 2014 at 10:57 pm
The one concern I have about Mariota is his health.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:02 pm
I actually think we need to let the college season play out a little bit more…
Which is what I’m doing before I go on my massive mission to try and persuade the Glazers to demand Lovie take Winston. Plenty more games left to go.
I actually think Winston is done with all his off field nonsense. Then again there could be more down the road before this season plays out. So that’s why I say just wait a few more games…hell our moronic team could go on some crazed winning streak all of a sudden and all this talk will be for nothing then.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:03 pm
Neither of your links worked Bucsfan
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:05 pm
Let’s not forget if the Jets are in front of us they are taking a QB.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:05 pm
Is that the same QB guru Dan Wetzel that wrote this article for Yaho sports titled : “Ugly treatment of Jameis Winston’s accuser serves to only discourage future victims.”
Yeah he’s not bias or anything…next.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:06 pm
From Wikipedia :
Dan Wetzel is an author, screenwriter, and tabloid journalist.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:06 pm
I think Jameis Windup will struggle with quick decisions in the NFL with his slow a$$ release. Combine that with his seemingly slow brain and he has pretty high bust potential. Don’t be blind, 87
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:07 pm
@mike : I am an FSU fan & I think Winston’s ”character issues” are way overblown. Nevertheless, I lean toward Mariota.
I don’t know who will be better but I don’t think his issues are way overblown.. While still under tape review he’s screaming out loud multiple times about doing the same thing in front of students. You do realize his own students reporters this live. Will all the things he’s supposedly done and he still Acts like that.
People can mature for sure but I think that kids a bad seed.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:10 pm
Buc1987, you are correct in that it is apparent that many of these people do not watch college football. Winston has been heralded by college scouts and former GMs as having a great quick release as a passer. He does not have a long motion like a Leftwich.
Also, others have commented that he led a team stacked with talent last year. This is true but the key word is led. He came into a team with talent and other leaders and quickly assumed THE leadership role on the team as a freshman. You don’t do that unless you know you’re the man. This year he is leading a much younger team with a lot of freshman and first time starters in key positions. Again, he is leading them to an undefeated season thus far and has played lights outs in the clutch. Mariota may be a decent player, but as you said, he plays a very specific scheme that depends very heavily on his ability to run. That does not fly in the NFL a. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen him take a snap from under center. I’ll take Winston all day and twice on Sunday’s over anyone else in this draft n
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Buc1987, I don’t think so; believer Mariota’s skills will transfer to the scheme in place.dmajik has a point in that I have read that Marcus is not a take-charge guy, rather passive;this is a serious knock, I agree.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:12 pm
He stood up on the table in the student union and hollered obscenities?
Oh the horror of it all. If I had done that while attended FSU when I was 20 years old. It would never make the paper.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:13 pm
This is sad. Barely November – only half way thru the season – and we are arguing about who to take with our 1st rd pick. F**king Lovie
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:14 pm
Lovie’s staying people… His passive, monotone, docile ass is staying for at least another year…
So where else are we gonna get that FIRE?? GMC does his thing… But he does it quietly… LVD does his thing… But he does it quietly… Mike Evans??? Reaching BALLER status, quietly…. Remember Sapp??? ONE MAN. Half of the Bay HATED HIM… still do! BUT HE HAD FIRE!!! PASSION!!! oh yeah, and HE HAD TALENT!!!
…and oh yeah, Sapp had off the field issues too, which made him drop in the draft, but we all know how that turned out.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:17 pm
Patrickbucs, Winston IS after all a true freshman. Personally, if held up to today’s standards (e.g., it is now illegal to be drunk underage, NTM the changes in the Age of Consent statutes), I could have been buried in jail.& I am a straight arrow as an adult.But I admit, I certainly don’t know all the facts about Winston’s peccadilloes.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:21 pm
I am wrong; Jameis is a RS sophomore.Age 20.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:23 pm
If you watch Winston on the sidelines he’s always riling and charging up his team. Before the Louisville game he stood by the tunnel and fived every player that ran past him. He’s just a natural born leader.
People have known that for VERY long time. Since middle school..
Like I said just google the words : The legend of Jameis Winston.
The article was written before he even won anything but games at the college level yet.
When you’re done reading the article, read the facebook comments below the article from some of the people that grew up with him. One of them was his art teacher in middle school and he proceeds to tell you that this kid is a great leader. There’s others of course. I just pulled that one.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:26 pm
Get the best O or D lineman this draft and Dak next.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:28 pm
I don’t think you go with either one. Mariota will be okay in the NFL but never elite. Very good vision and dangerous mobility, but his poor mechanics hurt accuracy. Winston has the skills to be elite but could so easily implode that I’d pass on him. Definitely take a QB, but not in the first round or trade down if you can find a suitor.
If there’s a standout DE I think you go that way first round. They are almost as hard to get in free agency as star quarterbacks. Michael Johnson was rated by most as the best free agent DE, and yay we got him, now look how that turned out. It’s proving that in today’s NFL you have to raise your own QB’s and DE’s.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:30 pm
Freeman was clean and gentle when the Bucs drafted him and later went loco. Jameis is not the same, he will mature when he and his family move to a better hood and their lifestyle changes. Plus he’ll be on a squad with a bunch of married vets and vets w/ children at least
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:31 pm
Winston having too much fun? Needs to get serious and become an adult? Get him a wife and kids that will set him straight real quick. Better yet all daughters ha that will work. No doubt about it.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:34 pm
“If you watch Winston on the sidelines he’s always riling and charging up his team.”
Just like that Clemson game… He was the most hyped up player on that team and wasnt even suited up…. Not too many guys around with THAT much Passion,, along with THOROUGHBRED TALENT….
You other folks need to get with it… This kids got “IT”
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:34 pm
Winston is going to go out and have some fun with all that money and everything he does will get overblown but he learning a valuable lesson right now in college. He’ll keep a low profile like Manziel but he’ll always have someone with him like Lebron does for protection and trust.
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:38 pm
Zam Says:
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:28 pm
I don’t think you go with either one. Mariota will be okay in the NFL but never elite. Very good vision and dangerous mobility, but his poor mechanics hurt accuracy. Winston has the skills to be elite but could so easily implode that I’d pass on him. Definitely take a QB, but not in the first round or trade down if you can find a suitor.
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You’re either Mike Glennon, or you lost your balls somewhere in life…. Or both???
We’re goin ALL IN in 2015! The Glazers know it… Licht knows it! …Lovie doesnt know it, but what are you gonna do?? He’s Lovie… GO ALL IN with WINSTON!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:45 pm
Bed on the lawn…..Gone
Adderall poppin’…..Gone
Shootin’ in Texas…Gone
Missing team pic…. Gone
Smokin’ Blunt……..Gone
DWI…………………,Gone
Partyboy A&M……..Not Here!!!
Alleged/Rapist/Alleged Kleptomaniac……..You fill in the blank!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:47 pm
Don’t draft Winston………………..Gone!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:49 pm
I’m not saying the Bucs shouldn’t draft Winston (too soon for me to make an educated guess)……need more time with Glennon & Winston….need to know where we pick….etc…..and
I have the luxury of waiting…..as do all of us.
What I am saying, though, is…….history says….THEY WON’T PICK HIM!!!!
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:49 pm
Did you just see that throw by Luck? And people think Jameis is even close to him? Please….
November 3rd, 2014 at 11:54 pm
You know, we’ve heard how Muslim men who die in jihad will get 16 virgins in the afterlife, and I’ve always said that I’d never die for 16 virgins, but give me 16 sluts, I’d give it some thought! That’s the difference between Mariota and Winston, with Mariota, you get the virgins, with Winston, you get the sluts! In my mind and from my experience, give me the sluts any day!
November 4th, 2014 at 12:00 am
@ Greg
Look out for the STDs….
Last time I checked virgins don’t have them…..
November 4th, 2014 at 12:02 am
Hey a herpes cure is right around the corner, the rest is nothing a little penicillin or wart remover can’t fix! Last time I checked, virgins don’t know sh*t either!
November 4th, 2014 at 12:09 am
Oh, I mentioned Kadeem Cato as a sleeper at QB, but there’s also another pretty good one that is flying under the radar and his name is Justin worley from tennessee. Had the pleasure of watching one if his games this year and I came away very impressed.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:12 am
@ Greg
Their carnal knowlege of $hit depend on which hole!!!
November 4th, 2014 at 12:12 am
Another big flaw in your Muslim comparison other than herpes is that the sluts don’t go to heaven, only the virgins do. Might want to rethink that one…
November 4th, 2014 at 12:13 am
The QB from ECU….is also a sleeper….later round….could turn into a good one!!!
November 4th, 2014 at 12:16 am
@ Gobucs, well there you go, a very valid reason you shouldn’t give your life in Jihad then!
November 4th, 2014 at 12:18 am
Or non permiscuous women…they don’t necessarily have to be virgins. But either way your right, thank God I’m not a Muslim.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:22 am
I wonder what lovely is you doing right now? Sleeping? I know Gruden would be going crazy trying to fix his team. Oh wait my bad I forgot we want to lose now, that’s some crazy shit!
November 4th, 2014 at 12:22 am
This team has lost 5 games by less than a touchdown, and beat what is turning out to be a really good Steelers team. Point is, I doubt we’re getting these guys. We’ll probably win a few more and drop to the dreaded 8th (no MB pun intended) pick .
Need silver lining? … be glad you’re not Jets fans.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:29 am
Name all the unknown QB’s that you want. Those guys won’t sell the Glazers tickets and that’s what they are in the business of doing.
People won’t be lined up out the door for the jersey of Cato Unknown or Worley Who?
This game is a business , that’s what’s getting lost in translation for some reason.
The Glazers actually DO want to make money off this team ya know.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:30 am
Your wasting your time joe. There is no way, I repeat NOW WAY! Lovie touches this kid, he is nothing but problems and a immature kid. Lovie didn’t take Manziel because of the off field stuff. Why the hell would Lovie take Winston!?
November 4th, 2014 at 12:32 am
SuperSam…answer: because the Glazers say so. See how easy that was.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:35 am
I have but ONE negative I can find on the field when it comes to Winston if you consider it a negative I don’t know.
His over-confidence in himself on the field. Sometimes he tends to be over confident of his abilities…but it usually works out in the end for him.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:37 am
A bed love you sleep through good at night. I bet he’s asleep right now.
It’s 70 virgins
And what they don’t tell you is they remain virgins.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:38 am
*i bet Lovie sleeps real good at night.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:50 am
For all the Mariota fans, watch his next game and see how many of his throws are contested. If my memory serves me, its not many. That is why I think he is going to struggle at the next level, because in the NFL more often than not passes are going to be contested. Just watch his next game and see how many of his passes are contested…most of the time he is throwing to guys who are wide open…
November 4th, 2014 at 12:50 am
@ DB55–16 virgins, 70 virgins or lesbians, it all adds up to one thing–THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!
November 4th, 2014 at 1:00 am
Yup!
November 4th, 2014 at 1:10 am
gobucs….most of them have only seen Mariota on ESPN highlights. Most people don’t want to stay up until 2 a.m. to see him play. I’m a night owl so I’ve seen him play a few times. I’m impressed with him actually. I think with our WR’s and his mobility it would give NFL defenses fits. I’d actually be happy with either one, I just really think it will come down to who can sell the most tickets. After this team goes a possible 2-14 they will need to bring people back into RJS somehow. Like I said most people have never watched Mariota play. They’ve watched Winston though and THAT sells tickets right there alone.
November 4th, 2014 at 2:57 am
Gotta take Winston, closest we’ve come to a franchise QB
November 4th, 2014 at 4:38 am
Winston is a POS with mush for brains and Florida State is a corrupt institution that always puts athletes over everything else.
November 4th, 2014 at 5:02 am
@gobucs
Thanks for the tip. I’ll have to check out Cato. He certainly wouldn’t be the first NFL QB from Marshall.
November 4th, 2014 at 8:05 am
Can you imagine Jameis Winston throwing passes to Mike Evans? This isn’t even close. Winston is the pick. We should do everything we can to draft Jameis Winston. Just as we should do everything we can to get rid of Lovie Smith. This guy could ruin any quarterback.
November 4th, 2014 at 9:01 am
JBuc Says
“It’s amazing to me that people act like Winston won’t grow and mature as he gets older. He’s 20 years old and has been under a microscope like no other for 2 years.”
I would say Johnny Football was under much more scrutiny.
Character is a factor that must be considered with all draft picks, because you never really know until the times to find out arrives.
His play ability is the most important aspect, yes, but after that, you have to consider the other things…including character. That isn’t to say his character issues will not work themselves out. They might. Or he could become a big problem.
The team considering him needs to make their best guess after investigating every aspect of his life. Even then, it is still only a best guess.
They could draft him and he could be charged with DUI before he even plays a game or attends a camp. Or, he could be determined to be exactly what you want to see in a franchise quarterback, on and off the field.
The phrase I hate most is “I lead by the way I play.”
Uh, no. It is not JUST that. It’s how you prepare, how you live your life, how you treat others. How you respond to adversity.
I know this…Cam Newton, Big Ben, Bret Favre…there are more than a few QBs judged to have character issues who have been successful. But there are also several who have been horrible failures.
If Joe is rooting for Winston, that might be the biggest red flag, because his favs usually don’t work out 😉 (see Johnny still a backup). (just picking, Joe!)
November 4th, 2014 at 9:09 am
Glazers need to step in as business owners and demand a QB be taken first. All of us fans have given up on this season and we are only 8 games in. As badly as we need lineman that brings zero excitement and won’t sell tix. After what L & L did this offseason I have very little faith in their ability to evaluate talent but it is time to take a shot at a franchise QB. Glazers just need to demand that they take one and we have to hope that they get it right. He may not pan out but you have to try. The team needs a complete overhaul but the cornerstone of any good team is a solid QB. The Bucs may have the option to take any QB they desire and that opportunity may not come up again.
November 4th, 2014 at 10:39 am
Let’s be clear. If this sh*tshow of a season results in Jameis Winston it has the potential to result in being one of the most important seasons in Bucs history. Or are you missing what Andrew Luck and the Colts are doing right now. #BeLameisforJameis
November 4th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Jameis is currently the 10th ranked overall talent by Scouts.com. Andrew Luck was the #1 prospect of all-time. The only thing they have in common is they both went to college and they both play QB, Beyond that, Jameis is 50/50 to bust and Andrew Luck was 100/0 to not bust. They are not the same no matter how hard people try and make them the same,
November 4th, 2014 at 11:29 am
1987. Your boner for Winston went from “blue veiner” to “diamond cutter”;)
I’d take a chance on Winston. Get the stadium rockin.
November 4th, 2014 at 11:36 am
Bucrightoff, not sure I would say that Winston is the prospect Luck was. For one, Luck had another year of college under his belt and did not have the “off field” questions. However, I would put him on par Big Ben, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton (I think he is likely better than Cam as a leader) and that’s not bad company and is certainly better than what we have now. Luck was considered the best prospect ever by many scouts so I would not go that far with Winston.
However, if continues to play the way he has and wins another championship, I may reconsider.
November 4th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Also, for all you dopes saying that Lovie did not take Manziel because of his off field issues, can you p,ease site your source on that? Could it be that he is under 6′ tall, mediocre arm, played in a spread offense used by only one team in the NFL and tends to inflate QB performance? He was not close to being can’t miss especially at the 7th pick. I think the Bucs made the right pick at 7.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
bucright must have been watching all the tapes of Jameis Winston’s losses in college. Oh, did you miss it? That’s right, he hasn’t lost. Not even once. 21-0. So yeah, you’re right, unlike Andrew Luck, the dude has won a NC, a Heisman and has won his first 21 games as a collegiate. If you think that on the field the two aren’t comparable prospects you are an idiot.
Take the off the field stuff into the equation and drop him as a prospect. Understandable. It definitely increases the risk and will likely keep the guy from being the number one overall player. But let’s not delude ourselves here. The guy was down 21 points playing a Thursday night away game against the number 1 defense in the country last week and pulled out a victory on a bum ankle. 21-0. Believe whatever you want.
November 4th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Andrew Luck was a 100% guarantee to become a top 5 NFL QB, and 95% likely to become best QB in the league at some point in his career. Jameis Winston has a 50% chance of ending up on 30 for 30: Broke. People are insane if they think Winston is some lock for greatness.
That’s the critical difference: Andrew Luck wasn’t potential, he was a sure thing. Every other QB drafted or to be drafted recently (and especially Jameis) has had risk, from decent risk to red flag. Andrew Luck was a stone cold lock. Jameis isn’t End of story.
November 4th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
There is no such thing as a guaranteed prospect bucright
See: Brien Taylor, Danny Goodwin (drafted 1 overall twice), Tony Mandarich, Peter Warrick, Greg Oden, Michael Beasley. I gave you two players from each sport of “can’t miss prospects.” There are many more.
November 4th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
“Buc1987
Is that the same QB guru Dan Wetzel that wrote this article for Yaho sports titled : “Ugly treatment of Jameis Winston’s accuser serves to only discourage future victims.”
Yeah he’s not bias or anything…next.”
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Dude, that was one of the best articles I’ve seen on the situation yet. He’s just breaking down the facts and not placing blame on Winston or the accuser. Everyone should read it if they haven’t. He comes out and says he has no idea what happened just like everyone else. He talks about how the girl accused no one, she had no idea who did it when it happened and only a month later identified Winston. I find it comical that FSU fans went crazy about that because of the initial description of the suspect….until the DNA came back a match. He states that she had no idea it was a student or a football player, just that she truly believes she was raped but that she might not be remembering it correctly and that we will never know.
The girl continues to be attacked by FSU fans who continue to throw her name out there, call her a cleat chaser (like that honestly matters) and much much worse. Even if she was a part of a cleat chaser group, it’s just a phrase developed for girls that like jocks. It’s not like a cleat chaser group is a group of girls that attack freshman QBs and accuse them of rape in hopes that one day they become famous and make lots of money so they can sue. They say she stayed in the same class as him when she found out….because she should have run? Been scared to face her attacker? What? If you don’t think this type of action by a school fan base and administration is discouraging future victims then you’re crazy.
BTW, Wetzel is the same guy that wrote a Yahoo story titled: “Jameis Winston deserves the benefit of doubt in sexual assault claim until proven otherwise” in which he defends him and talks about how crazy it is to consider that TPD covered anything up for a freshman nobody. Guess that was a hack piece as well?
An investigation was botched, whether purposely or not (Meggs indicated how TPDs actions handicapped the case) and Jameis was not charged. He could have cleared his name and he decided to plead the 5th. Now that doesn’t mean guilt but it really doesn’t say innocent either. I don’t want an innocent man in jail over something he didn’t do but there are plenty of flaws in this case to keep people wondering.
Winston should be an interesting story to follow where ever he ends up just to see if he turns it around or continues doing the dumb things he’s been doing. I wouldn’t be surprised in 20 years to see a story from Casher or Darby talking about what they saw or didn’t see that night.
November 4th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Half the teams in the league have Crab Legs off their draft board. If he was an elite, generational talent he’d be #1 no matter what he’s done unless he’s in jail. NFL deifies murderers, women beaters and drunk drivers, I think Jameis would be a lock to go #1 if talent evaluators thought he was the overwhelming choice based on talent. But they don’t think he is, most won’t even say he’s better than Mariota.
It was called Suck for Luck, and it starter his freshman year. He was a once in 25 years prospect. Jameis is just another high potential, high risk prospect, one we see around 20-25 times every 25 years. Stop comparing them, they are not worth comparing and if you compared them on a neutral football site you’d be mocked endlessly.
November 4th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
LOL what war rooms have you been invited to? Seriously. Half the teams? Did you share your breaking news with Adam Shefter?
No one is saying Luck wasn’t the top rated prospect, but if you forgot that RGIII was also in the discussion of top QB’s (like Mariotta this year) you fail to remember only 2 years ago. “The two quarterbacks are separated only slightly in the evaluations.” But that was from only some no-name publication called the NYTimes. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/sports/football/luck-griffin-then-it-gets-interesting.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Mus
Look at the division leaders QB’s: Brady, Manning, Luck, Brees, Stafford, Palmer, Foles, Dalton. 4 of the top 5 QB’s and they are leading their team to victory.
November 4th, 2014 at 3:06 pm
And if you wanna do that so was Ryan Leaf to Peyton Manning and we all know how that turned out. Jameis projects much more to Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning, loaded with physical talent, mega questions about the maturity and mental game (and don’t say Jameis is better in college, Ryan Leaf took powerhouse Washington State to the Rose Bowl.)
I get it, you’re an FSU homer, but Winston is not in Luck’s class. The guys in Luck’s class ever are Peyton and Elway and that’s the list. Most talent evaluators have Randy Gregory and Leonard Williams ahead of Jameis. A generation QB talent is not ranked behind two defensive players unless those players are Lawrence Taylor level good.
November 4th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
The same questions were pretty much asked about Cam Newton. He’s been okay though. He was incredibly immature in college and he was a little bit of a risk because of that… much like Winston…only Winston’s passing is quite a bit better than Cam’s while Cam’s running is quite a bit better than Winston… but they are very similar prospects in terms of athletic and playmaking ability. As far as QB prospects go, I would give them pretty much the same grade.
With Mariota, he reminds me a lot of Kaepernick, whom I was infatuated with when he came out of the draft (we had a “franchise QB” at the time but I said he was the 2nd best prospect behind Cam and maybe a better prospect because of his lack of off field issues). CK was very clean off the field and ran the Pistol offense at Nevada better than just about anybody in NCAA history. Mariota’s skill set is nearly identical. He may take two years to get accustomed to NFL play, but he has enough tools to get by until that happens (like Newton).
Either way, with either player, there is a gamble involved. Mariota with his transition to NFL style, and Winston with his off field issues… I’d be happy with either of them.
November 4th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
“celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.”
Even if there is a 1 before the 5.
November 5th, 2014 at 5:52 am
Please, anyone saying that Jameis doesn’t have the mental toughness should be mocked relentlessly. Just look at what the kid has done this year and how he can separate the off the field issues with football. Then look at how he has dealt with adversity while on the field, being down after the first half and using that mental toughness to not panic and start forcing things trying to storm his way back.