Enough Already!
November 23rd, 2014
Josh McCown continues to play like a rookie quarterback. Nothing new there.
Hours after the Bucs and McCown didn’t show up in Atlanta, Joe began screaming from rooftops — and WDAE-AM 620 microphones — to let Mike Glennon start the Bucs’ final 13 games.
It was the only thing that made a lick of sense at 0-3 with two division losses, and a 35-year-old inconsistent QB as the other option.
It still is.
That’s right. Look at McCown’s six starts as a Buccaneer. He has performed like a rookie, a freakin’ rookie. That is not debatable.
His ball security today in Chicago was disgusting. His decision-making was questionable, as was his management of the game. Call a timeout!
In addition, McCown was dreadful in the red zone. He was downright lucky not to be picked off throwing to Mike Evans who was quadruple covered in the end zone late in the second quarter.
He’s 1-5 as a starter with all kinds of weapons at his disposal.
Can we please stop the silliness?
Don’t tell Joe McCown is better than Glennon. There is no evidence. Sadly, they’re similar players, and the Bucs should be playing the guy that at least has a shot to develop as a backup and potentially fetch them a decent draft pick in a trade.
You play the young player when he’s on par with the old guy.
It’s what smart organizations do.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:23 pm
Mike Glennon was 19 tds for 9 ints in his first year with no pre-season.
Mike Glennon is 10 Tds for 6 ints in his second year with no Pre-season.
But yet Jack Hole lovie Smith chooses a career back up who he would not let compete for starting QB.
Fire Lovie Smith.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Glennon sucks too.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Agreed Joe, yet on Tuesday you’ll continue to spar with someone on this topic who clearly has it in for Glennon for reasons that have nothing to do with football.
There is no playoff run anymore. There isn’t an outside chance the Bucs can win the division. Playing McCown didn’t make sense last week, the week before, or in any game since Atlanta. Glennon should be starting the rest of the season. It’s officially lost now.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
If we dont draft a QB in the first round, Im not watching them play next year
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Your radio cohort will think otherwise and he’s NEVER wrong!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:25 pm
McCown is starting the rest of the year unless he gets hurt. Lovie needs and wins trusts the old man over Glennon. Sucks but welcome to Lovieball, no Bears fans miss him at all.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:25 pm
Let me guess, we’re still in the hunt to win the division..
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:25 pm
Also, let’s not forget that Glennon is *still* better than any QB to come out of last year’s draft or this year’s draft. Tanking for a QB is not the answer.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:25 pm
Wow Joe. You’ve been waiting for this one. I’m guessing you were waiting for Mccown to suck (which he did) to beat your chest and say you’re right. This just in Glennon sucks too and so does that piece of shi! offensive line. Throw Arroyo in with the bunch. The D was good enough. Oh Joe you are so predictable.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Lovie isn’t the guy….told you all that a long time ago….watch and weep, all of us Bucs fans….Malcolm is gone and the boys don’t know squat about football.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:26 pm
They both suck – doesn’t matter!!!
And so does many of the FAs brought in here by Lovie.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Joe- you and your lazy peers in the media deserve equal blame for this humiliating season. You let this McCown business ride all offseason like it was acceptable. Shame
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:27 pm
What Lovie doesn’t realize is that the quarterback who would give them the best chance to win is playing on Saturdays.
McCown and Glennon = Frick and Frack
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Malcomn Glazer didn’t know squat about football either. The difference is that he was smart enough to hire people below him within the organization who did. This is an entire organizational failure.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:31 pm
Sorry but the OL is to blame on this one. McCown runned for its life on every play. Not even God could win with this ol. Out Collins, Dietrich
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:32 pm
^^hah, the McStake apology tour continues!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:33 pm
As a former member of the MGM, it doesn’t matter WHICH one starts. Until the O-line is fixed nobody except maybe Tom BradyPeyton Manning will have a chance to consistently win! 2 yards per carry, multiple holding/hands to face/false start penalties all add up to LOSER!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Threw too much too Evans. Wonder if Chicago knew where the ball was going? Duh.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Oline is a garbage fire however!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:33 pm
McCown is too worried about the offensive line, so much so, that he can’t seem to be able to concentrate on the game. He was erratic, inaccurate, and missed a lot of open receivers.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:34 pm
That was a crap performance by McCown. I’m not saying MG8 would have done significantly better, but you are correct Joe. The Buc’s are now assured a losing season, so Lovie might as well give Glennon valuable game experience. MCCown flashed a little last week, but he has shown that he is who a lot of us thought he was in every other game
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Glad we didn’t keep Revis….right? I rest my case.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Mccown was awful today. Coaching was bad all around. It’s Glennon time.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Good Stuff Joes…
The question is… which QB would you rather have mentoring Marcus Mariota/Jameis Winston…
Glennon is trade bait at this point… And just to play the MGMs ‘Go-To Card’…. WTF O-Line??? Like seriously….. What the Mother Fcuk, O Line???
Lets Go JETS!!!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Only 4 days to Thanksgiving so I’m thankful that even though I’m a Bucs fan, the Dolphins/Broncos game is on so I can see/remember what good football looks like!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Look on the bright side, we didn’t give up a first round pick to get Mccown like we gave up to get Freeman. And btw I never heard this much complaining when freeman was stinking it up. One last note, I saw someone post that McCoy was invisible the whole game??? Ummm he had the only turnover of the game with a sack..
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:37 pm
I was calling to put Glennon in early and often. McCown is like a dwarf gnome. Glennon is better by a long shot. Get that loser backup outta here and put in the cannon. Lovie, take your cherished starter and skiddoo. Go crap out another sucker team.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:38 pm
2015 is all about Mariota & the Trenches!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:38 pm
Go JETS!!!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:39 pm
100% agree Joe. Glennon should start at QB and his dog should be interim head coach the rest of the year. Surely his dog couldn’t be any worse than Lovie. Woof woof.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:39 pm
Sometimes you just want to see good football being played, neither of these two quarterbacks give us much opportunity to do that, doesn’t help offensive line cnt open any holes up, it how can a RB get any rhythm when playing musical chairs..
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Lovie will never admit he is a moron who pissed away $10 mil of Glazer money on a McCown
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:40 pm
The bright side is we’re closer to that number one pick!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:42 pm
Lovie smith has Josh Freeman on speed dial. If it doesn’t work out with McCown (Lovie doesn’t know what that means) he’s gonna pull josh freeman out of his closet and shock the world!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:43 pm
Please note. .. Buccaneers just lost another few hundred fans! Way to go Succaneers! … Joe’s You might want to endorse Another nfl team.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:43 pm
It’s like we are the AAA farm team that just gets players ready to get called up to the Big League by New England.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Lovie couldn’t win a game of madden on rookie mode with all the AI sliders turned down. Even if the penalty sliders all the way down his team would still commit 10 a game.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:45 pm
Hillbilly, agreed but the scary thing is this team has VERY rarely proven they know what to do with a number 1 pick! Might be new at the top but most of same scouting staff is still here. I don’t know that I trust them to make a can’t miss pick that high.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:46 pm
Quit crying Joe! You cried all last year about Glennon and Schiano and you got your wish. New coach and new QB now you have a worst team!! Enough already joe!!! Welcome to your new 1-9 team.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:46 pm
Lovie Smith is the nfl version of a 1980s WWF “jobber.” He can’t even come up with a good gimmick or interesting persona, he just goes out there and makes the other teams look good!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:46 pm
Lovie will NEVER admit he is wrong. He was wrong with Jenkins over Banks who is the BEST CB on the team right now. He was wrong with EDS, Johnson, Collins, and Mccown. Smart teams do NOT name a journey man 35 yo with UFL and HS coaching under his belt the starter BEFORE mini camps. The D came to play, and seems they are on the ball. I feel for Arryoy, he is in no win situation. The O line is terrible, and the QB keeps bleeping his pants. Lovie was all “see #12 was awesone” vs the Skins, but somehow he will gloss over the fact #12 is TERRIBLE. I do not trust Lovie to draft a franchise QB. This is where they needed a STRONG GM, and not a Lovie puppet
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:47 pm
yes, as we look back on this season of could have been, if only we had a competent QB, coach, O.C., offensive line, in a quagmire division of futility,where the division leader has came up with a win only 4 times this season, and our pathetic and I mean pathetic team can only eak out two victories. oh the humanity, what happened to game management, and what is wrong with calling a time out with the game on the line? I have said it, and will continue to say it. lovie smith is not a credible H.C. and is showing more everyday, in the weakest division in football, why he should not have been hired in the first place. enjoy your weekend bucs fans see ya at the funeral, because this team is dead.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Glennon is not a turnover machine like McCown …and say what you want but Glennon produces more tds than turnovers …Draft a QB i agree but folks please quit telling me McCown is better than Glennon…………
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Excuse me 2-9 team.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Joe I completely agree 100%! But guess what Lovie is an idiot who doesnt have any common sense, so…
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:50 pm
Bud Selig would be a better coach than Lovie Smith.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:51 pm
Were only 2 games back!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:51 pm
BuD Selig > our coach. Also joe, I know you gotta pay the bills, but waaaaay too many ads brother.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:53 pm
Would love to stick around and vent more but gonna go out and play catch with my son so he can see what a completed pass looks like! C Ya.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:53 pm
There needs to be something done about these personnel decisions. Lovie is a terrible GM, and his lapdog Jason Licht obeys his terrible command. Let’s look at some of the decisions shall we?
Traded Jeremy Zuttah for a bag of chips.
Traded Tim Wright for a washed up Logan Mankins who I guarantee you is not giving it 100% because he misses his boyfriend in New England and hates Belicheat for sending him to this dumpster fire.
Signed unproven Michael Johnson to a fat contract.
Signed backup Anthony Collins to a fat contract.
Signed EDS
Signed career backup Josh McCown and named him the starter over promising 2nd year QB.
Cut Revis and replaced him with Verner
Traded Mark Barron for a Twix bar and replaced him with Major Wright.
Signed Mike Jenkins and named him the starter over promising 2nd year CB.
Let Michael Koenen retain a roster spot.
Let Da’Quan Bowers retain a roster spot.
Drafted entirely offensive players, and has the worst offense in the league.
Did not replace Tedford even though he was ill before the season started, throwing Marcus Arroyo to the wolves.
Signed Leslie Frazier’s as his defensive coordinator.
Refusing to sign guys like Devin Hester, Dexter McCluster, or Josh Cribbs to return kicks.
What a great list of achievements by this regime, wouldn’t you say?
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Hey Joe, how about an article every few hours updating the MARIOTA WATCH?!?
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:56 pm
I think we should hire the first cadaver head coach. How different could it be? A dead man laying down versus a dead man walking? Lol he SUCKS!!!
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:57 pm
“You play the young player when he’s on par with the old guy.
It’s what smart organizations do.”
You nailed it there…
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:58 pm
Love Jameis Watch, btw
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:58 pm
Draft a fing quarterback already!
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:00 pm
This mess that trys to pass itself off as a nfl franchise is alot further down than only one draft will fix. They just better hope their top pic doesnt have a option to play baseball. No quarterback and no oline. Average Defense below average coaches. Im over it.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Seriously, as sick as we get watching our team find ways to lose close games now (when we have managed only two wins all year) imagine how SICK we will feel in years to come under smith if we ever manage to have a decent record? Cut bait now, have the glazers hold themselves accountable for their mistake (cause we know Lovie won’t) and find another guy. We don’t need this full reboot bs. Yes we need more players but other coaches don’t just go in and in one year assume they can completely flip 100% of the roster for “their guys.” That’s part of what coaching is isn’t it? Putting guys in the right place to succeed and making the most out of what you’ve got.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:02 pm
This mess that trys to pass itself off as a nfl franchise is alot further down than only one draft will fix. They just better hope their top pic doesnt have a option to play baseball. No quarterback and no oline. Average Defense below average coaches. Im over it. Thank goodnesd for collage football.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:04 pm
Joe this seasons is over. Obviously that silly talk about Mike Glennon, “the qurterback of the future”, is dead. This season has been a wash and it’s time to look forward to next year. Rebuild through the draft and make some smart veteran signings to fill in other holes. We have some promising talent but it’s not enough to compete for a championship in this league, completely fine with starting from the ground up but we need to finally draft a top 5 franchise type qb ie mariota, Winston. Let’s look forwards to a POSSIBLES bright future, hopefully we all will agree on taking the best QB available.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:08 pm
Draft jameis and don’t put him in until u fix the crappy line. I think we would have been better w zuttah and penn. Nobody misses lovie n Chicago bc he couldn’t build o line there either
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:11 pm
And who trusts L&L to draft?
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:16 pm
They both suck time to draft one
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:18 pm
Joe, your constant yammering to start Glennon is really getting old. McCown sure didn’t look like a rookie the previous two weeks but you seem to conveniently forget.
Rookies are inconsistent. That’s their hallmark. McCown has proven — PROVEN — he is, too. –Joe
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:22 pm
I cant wait to see the Bucs draft a QB and release Glennon and keep McCown around for next year as a mentor. Joe will act outraged only to keep getting those precious web clicks.
Quite obvious that Joe is only doing this to keep the flames burning because there isnt any other reason to visit a blog of a 2-9 team.
Sorry. Joe writes about the quarterback position because it’s the most important on the field. There are plenty of Bucs fans that want to read about their team 24/7. Joe doesn’t need to create things out of thin are.–Joe
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:23 pm
Glennon might be safe with the football but hes garbage at doing anything with it. Glennon would never give Mike Evans the chances McCown does.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:25 pm
Back, he now knows what a pass completion looks like! lol If we draft a QB, which we need to, we better fix the O-line and get a QB oriented OC who has a clue or yet another 1st round QB will go bust in Tampa Bay!
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:28 pm
Our defense is playing decent but our offense is a joke. I want to draft a qb like mariotta but more than anything I wanna draft some offensive line guys. I think mcnown is a good bu and Glennon is serviceable but that looks like a below average o-line. Defense looks ok last 3 games so there is some hope there.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:28 pm
peyton manning would suck behind this line
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:29 pm
We already knew what McCown would bring to the table. Somehow the head coach hasn’t figured it out yet.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:30 pm
We’ll said Ryan !! So true all about the Benjamin’s to Joe! He can’t be as dumb as he seems to be .
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:31 pm
EVERYTHING Lovie Smith has done has been a DISASTER….EVERYTHING!!! I cannot think of anything he’s done that has turned out to be right. Yes Evans is good, but every other decision he’s made has been a failure….I’ve never seen so many decisions turn out to be massive misses, as Lovie has made. This division was OURS for the taking. Lovie Smith, an honorable man, has NO business being a HC.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:33 pm
What did McCown look like (you cannot use four-letter words)?
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:41 pm
They drafted Mike Evans. Who wants to debate that this was a bad move?
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:46 pm
Mike Evans was a no-brainer at No. 7 overall. Especially since they traded Mike Williams away. One good move does not make up for dozens of bad moves.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:56 pm
NFL should force the Glazers to sell.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:00 pm
McCown played well
What exactly is it you want to see from Glennon, Joe?
The kid only worries about his stats, not winning.
He would have been sacked 8 times, completed 50 % of his passes, for a 2 yard average
Despite a complete collapse by our O-line, Josh had us in the game with less than 2 minutes
I know no one in this town has anything resembling Memory- less than goldfish
But if you strain your lil brains- you may remember the only thing that matters about Glennon-
We are never in the game, with 2 minutes left
Anyone knowledgeable about Football has seen enough of Glennon.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:02 pm
McCown had a couple money throws in this game that Glennon wouldnt have had the balls to attempt. The down side is, just like Glennon as well, neither QB has the ability to make the easy throws consistently. How many dump off passes did McCown blow? And the INTs. OMG. Its like the fundamentals of QB play have been forgotten by this group. OLine should be ashamed as well.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:02 pm
Just put Glennon in, that was our best chance to win this season unless someone happens to rest starters which it doesn’t look like will happen. See what he can do but we have to draft a Bruin or a Duck next year in the 1st round.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:04 pm
McCown looked like an NFL QB,
And a damn good one!
Forced to scramble for his life, due to a weak O-line
If you think Glennon looks like anything but a clipboard holder- then I can only assume this is like your seconday assessment a few yews back.
You’ve lived here so long- you don’t know one when you see one.
Every game Glennon has played- left us in last place in the league offensively.
That is enough collated data for anyone who is sane
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm
Capt Tim = Big Dog
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:47 pm
Safe to assume Lovie’s confidence rating will take a plunge again. Back to the depths after people realize beating a horrible Washington team didn’t turn around the season.
November 23rd, 2014 at 8:06 pm
glennon has cinderblocks for feet.
November 23rd, 2014 at 8:33 pm
I saw lots of good things.
November 23rd, 2014 at 8:40 pm
Joe, Glennon is not in the Bucs future. He is not going to to attract a decent draft pick either.
If Glennon is playing qb, behind this line and with his physical talents, then he will mostly get seriously injured. Mccown isn’t long term anything, but he’s better than Glennon. You want stats to prove it? Look at third down conversion percent with Mccown at qb and with Glennon at qb. Glennon can’t sustain drives. That’s the biggest problem with him, he can’t make enough special plays when nothing is there. Mccown can. Mccown lost us this game. I’ll be the first to say it. He was bad today. But do you think Glennon would have performed better? With the defense sending heat and getting pressure nearly every play… Glennon is not good enough to even be a back up in the NFL. No point in developing him. He’s a statue and he lacks accuracy and pocket presence. The 2 things a statue in the NFL needs to at least have to be even remotely ok in the NFL. I could give 2 poops if Glennon doesn’t throw ints, because he can’t convert a third down. An int deep in their territory is better than never getting there and punting from your own 20 every 3 plays. Mccown sucks at finishing drives but he can at least start them. More times than not Mccown converts in third down. Glennon can not say that. Mccown moves the offense gives our defense a breather and gives the offense some plays to build around. Glennon is the three and out king.
November 23rd, 2014 at 8:50 pm
Did everyone see that perfect pass to Louis Murphy in the ends zone that he couldn’t haul in? Glennon would have thrown that pass in the stands. While Mccown laid it in there perfect, Murphy just couldn’t make the play. That was potentially a game tying score. It’s plays like that, ones that Mccown executed perfectly but didn’t work out, that give me a good vibe with Mccown. Glennon doesn’t make any of those plays. Glennon only pulls the trigger if the wr is wide open without a guy in the same area code of him. And even then It’s probably under thrown, because it’s thrown late and with incredible inaccuracy.
November 23rd, 2014 at 9:27 pm
At least there are a few smart ones here to see the truth.
Josh makes the throws
If the line gives him time,
He will make the plays
But other than Jackson, Evans, and sometimes Murphy- still has about half of them dropped.
We are looking a lot better. Lost 7 games by 42 points total.
That’s competative.
Need New OLine coach, new special teams coach.
And quite a few players
But we are looking better
November 23rd, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Just because you wrote about the bucs doesn’t mean you actually know what you’re talking!!! Glennon is garbage and it makes complete sense to sit him on the bench. Everybody sees what he is except you! Why see what he’s got off you know already? Because he’s obviously not going to be the guy next year, give it a rest your making yourself look bad. The entire team is a dumpster fire including Glennon
November 23rd, 2014 at 11:50 pm
Saying we weren’t in any games in the final 2 minutes with Glennon at QB- wow, great memory…there were 2 games this year that fell into that paradigm,the Falcons (first time) & Ravens game. Glennon isn’t the longterm answer either by any means, but no way is Mccown leaps and bounds better (this is a depressing topic made moreso by those with selective memories and revisionist history)
November 24th, 2014 at 12:09 am
14.7 offensive points per game under Josh McCown. More turnovers than touchdowns.
November 24th, 2014 at 12:26 am
We saw enough Glennon, he stinks. McCown plays terrible under pressure, but at least when he’s not he can throw an accurate ball to Evans. That’s the only thing that’s been worth watching this season, don’t take that away from me too!
November 24th, 2014 at 1:06 am
Mccown turned Evans into a TD machine. Glennon did nothing with this offense. If nothing else Mccown is helping develop Evans into a stud. With Glennon, the best Evans can hope for is to get thrown the ball out of bounds to his side of the field. Glennon can’t make the throws that Mccown has hit Evans on. He’s tried, but it always ends up far under thrown or thrown out of bounds. Evans has to make remarkable body control maneuvers to even get a hand on a Glennon pass while Mccown throws such a good ball that it hits Evans in stride right on the money. Mccown is not a good qb, but he isn’t bad either. He can make some really great plays, and he can make some really bad ones. But I’d rather have a guy with ups and downs over a guy with no ups.
November 24th, 2014 at 1:16 am
@Trubucfan22
Evans has 8 TD receptions this year. Four from Glennon, four from McCown.
So how, exactly, did McCown turn Evans into a touchdown machine?
November 24th, 2014 at 3:31 am
Are you guys even watching the same game as us?
McCown had some really bad plays today, but his overall play has a far greater roof than Glennon’s. “The Cannon” isn’t even willing to take a hit when he’s running for the first down(Twice!)