Agent: Jackson, Goldson Should Be Cut
November 26th, 2014
A former player agent suggests the Bucs should cut WR Vincent Jackson.
You can bet your friendly neighborhood bartender a week’s worth of tabs the Bucs will have a different look in 2015. Whether it is drastic or just new names replacing famous faces, rest assured there will be change.
How can there not be when a team is but one game away from having the No. 1 overall pick in the draft — see Lovie, Joe can play hopscotch math, too!
Former NFL player agent Joel Corry, who typed a piece for CBSSports.com, listed 20 players that should be jettisoned in the offseason because their pay is far greater than their worth. And the Bucs have two such players on the list, including wide receiver Vincent Jackson.
Vincent Jackson (WR)-Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2015 Salary Cap Number: $12,209,777
2015 Compensation: $9,777,777
2015 Dead Money: $4.864 Million
2015 Salary Cap Savings: $7,345,777
Rookie Mike Evans rapidly emerging as a primary receiving threat may make the three-time Pro Bowler, who is scheduled to earn $19,555,555 over the next two years, a luxury not a necessity in Tampa. The Philadelphia Eagles reportedly tried to pry Jackson away before the trading deadline.
Joe sees how the numbers don’t add up. The problem is, on a woeful team, solid targets are like gold. Jackson is still feared by opponents. Why else would teams (i.e. the Bears) continue to single-cover Mike Evans? Because teams are still worried about Jackson, and for good reason. He is dangerous.
Jackson is not elite, however, which is what his payrate suggests. Joe understands the financial implications here. Joe also understands the football ramifications of letting Jackson walk.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:08 am
yeah, and replace him with who? …huge drop in talent from our #2 to #3 WR(murphy)..and we don’t have anything after murphy…
November 26th, 2014 at 9:09 am
Mark Dominik, paying non-elite player’s elite salaries since 2009. Wait, scratch that, the Buc’s and Dom didn’t pay anybody till 2012.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:12 am
BIG MISTAKE. Restructure. We have nobody to replace him. Get these guys a real quarterback and maybe they will want to be here.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:27 am
There are several players that COULD be cut, but the result would be a cap hit with dead money. Those players include Jackson, Johnson and Goldson. Savings of 13.3 million, but dead money cost of 15.8 million. On the other hand, the following would cost the bucs NO dead money:
Mankins-7 mil, McCown-5.25 mil, Verner-4.25mil, EDS-3.75 mil, Koenen-3.25mil, Myers-2.25mil. That right there totals 25.75 million without any dead money.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:35 am
they will probably end up cutting jackson knowing the bucs and we will still suck and jackson will be in new england catching touchdowns
November 26th, 2014 at 9:40 am
If cutting v-jax frees up salary for a to QB then do it, otherwise keep him as a complement to ME13.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:41 am
There isn’t one of us whose opinions really matter at all but I am absolutely against dropping VJax. The only reason we’d do it is to go out and get more high priced free agents. That’s not at all what we need to be doing. Keep Jackson and keep the defense spread out. Once they can focus on Evans we’re right back to where we were last year when defenses could just roll coverage to one guy and take him out of the game. Use FA sparingly and draft strongly.
I’m not sure that Goldson needs to stay. He’s making a ton and I don’t know enough about the intricacies of the defense to know if he’s doing what he’s being asked to do. I can say that I’d like to try to find a younger, cheaper player that fits the system at that position.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:46 am
He clearly seems to want to be here – as he said during the trade talks earlier this year. Dude can still play for sure and if he will restructure his contract I say keep him around. His presence certainly isn’t hurting Evans.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:50 am
Let’s not make ourselves even worse. Jackson is a team leader and has been sucking it up with a broken wrist all season.
Keep him. Keep him. Keep him.
Goldson though? Don’t really care.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:50 am
Why do other teams get to have 2 number ones, but for some reason, the Bucs are only allowed to have one, according to Joe. Quit meddling Joe. Here’s a little nugget I find interesting. Has anyone noticed since Joe’s inaugural season, the Bucs have completely spiraled out of control. It seems Joe’s constant negativity has willed this team into chaos. Just a thought, SAMCRO can play hopscotch math, too!
Yes, it’s Joe who willed Monte Kiffin to quit and the December collapse of 2008. And it’s Joe’s fault Derrick Brooks was unceremoniously cut, and hang the 10-6 season on Joe, too. While you’re at it, it’s all Joe’s fault the Bucs lost 10 straight after a 4-2 start in 2011. And Joe hired Greg Schiano and turned Josh Freeman into a mental case, too. Oh, and Joe gave Jeff Tedford a heart attack. –Joe
November 26th, 2014 at 9:54 am
need to find a way to keep Jackson. good for Evans and the team. all we need is a QB. Go get Mariota.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:57 am
You know what would really make this team better?…get rid of a couple last good football players left on this team. That’s a winning formula. While we are at it we can spend a bunch more money on shtty football players – think Collins, johnson, trash Mccown, eds, etc.
The stinkhole widens…
November 26th, 2014 at 10:00 am
Keep V-Jax and get rid of Goldston. Save as many targets for who ever is at the helm.
November 26th, 2014 at 10:08 am
Overpaying is the cost of poor drafting. This team can barely scratch out a couple of touchdowns per game WITH VJax.
November 26th, 2014 at 10:08 am
It’s not worth it to save $7 million. You can’t sign a guy of equal talent for that…and can we afford to use another high draft pick on a receiver this year? We’re not cash strapped around here anyway.
November 26th, 2014 at 10:09 am
Goldson is gone for sure. Jackson will be here, ideally, unless someone offers a 2nd round pick or better. No need to trade one of your 6 or 7 best players and his mentoring/leadership are invaluable.
November 26th, 2014 at 10:13 am
I firmly believe that Evans is having the season he’s having BECAUSE of Jackson. I don’t care what he’s making. He’s worth it. He’s a good locker room guy. He’s a professional. You keep him. Eventually, you swap him with Evans and make Jackson #2 to make the transition easier. There are plenty of other non-producers you can cut to make up that money. Punter, DE, and Leonard Johnson.
November 26th, 2014 at 10:14 am
One thing I have noticed over the years is that receivers don’t go downhill suddenly like backs do. Maybe because as their physical skills decline, the savvy they have acquired with experience equals out the total package, & they remain effective.
But I think Licht will do a renegotiation w/ Jackson on the off-season, & he will be kept, so a moot point.
November 26th, 2014 at 10:14 am
Vjax is useful. Goldson? Not so much. Keep VJ unless we are cap strapped
November 26th, 2014 at 10:16 am
We’ve been down this road before.
Cut Goldson outright, restructure VJax. I’d think hard about finding another burner to play outside and let VJ see more time in the slot.
ASJ and VJ could be a terror to defend over the middle.
Oh yeah, no OL so no run game to set up the pass and have a pedestrian QB running scared?
Win!
November 26th, 2014 at 10:31 am
Jackson and Evans constitute the “Dual Threat”.
Take Vjax away and it turns into a single threat which is much easier to defend and will easily affect Evans play.
Renegotiate.
November 26th, 2014 at 10:33 am
Brooks Says
November 26th, 2014 at 9:12 am
BIG MISTAKE. Restructure. We have nobody to replace him. Get these guys a real quarterback and maybe they will want to be here.
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That’s a good point. Former Bucs WR Tim Wright is being utilized pretty good in New England
November 26th, 2014 at 11:02 am
There one game back from the number one pick and two games back for NFCS!
November 26th, 2014 at 11:09 am
@dean
“Mankins-7 mil, McCown-5.25 mil, Verner-4.25mil, EDS-3.75 mil, Koenen-3.25mil, Myers-2.25mil. That right there totals 25.75 million without any dead money.”
I’d keep Verner and Myers cut Stocker but you got it right.
#Bam #PFUDR #Playoffs
November 26th, 2014 at 11:23 am
Evans has the skills but also seems to have a little immaturity in him too. We have to figure how to keep Vjax around just for his mentoring capabilities alone. Evans needs the role model more than the team needs cap space.
November 26th, 2014 at 11:37 am
Keep VJax please. He is good for the Bucs, and for Evans.
November 26th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Getting rid of Jackson would be a dumb move without a doubt, but from what I’ve seen I would’nt put it past Lovie and his cohorts. Lovie knows offense, NOT!!!
November 26th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Getting rid of V-Jax allows teams to double Mike Evans…Successful teams have 2 legit receivers!
November 26th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
I agree on cuttong goldston. I think Jackson needs to stay until we a legit number 2 reciever. Or two for that matter. Its not like we have a franchise qb we need to sigh. Hang onto him. Give him a pay cut because he knows he is the number 2 receiver now
November 26th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
His salary could pay for 2 more Michael Johnsons!
November 26th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
What? Mark Dominik overpaid for V. Max? You mean like he did for Trueblood, Q. Black, M. Clayton, Nicks, Revis, Goldson and Wright?
Mark Dominik was the worst GM in NFL history… THE WORST!
November 26th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
They are asking AGENTS what they think? I didn’t even know that they could!
Agents are what happens when a Vampire “turns” an accountant.
Yes! Let’s cut two of our 8 NFL caliber players! The more scrubs the better!
Who’s idea was it to talk to that guy??
November 26th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Glad to see almost everyone was making the smart choice on this call!
And yes- Mark Dominick will be remembered as the worst GM in Buccaneer( possibly NFL) history.
Unimaginable another GM could ever suck that bad!
November 26th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
Keep V-Jax unless you are given a #2 in this draft otherwise restructure and trade before the deadline in 2015. Trade everyone else for draft picks in whatever round. DO NOT PAY FOR OVER PRICED FA. 2014 draft was good I’d give it an A grade if Herron or one of the O-Lineman contributed but this draft gets a B+. L&L need another strong draft for 2015 so they should be scouting possible late round gems right now.
November 26th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
The Bucs should be playing Herron right now to see if he can become the punt returner lovie needs or that John Brown/Brandon Cook type of slot receiver. Start Pamphile at LT, move collins to LG, Move Mankins to C, and move EDS to RG and see if that combination works. Maybe some of those FA signings can be salvaged by having different positions, Warhop should be trying this out now.
November 26th, 2014 at 2:10 pm
100% agree, Joe.
Tampa fans are always told that because we’re a small
podunk market we should expect low player payrolls.
This is somewhat true for MLB but for the NFL it is not:
An NFL teams wealth comes from TV rights not attendance.
There is no good reason (other than unnecessary penny
pinching) that we should send away all of our good players
who are due a deal.
We generally keep 3 or 4 big ticket items and the rest are
UPS drivers and bar bouncers.
That is bul**hit.
We let go…
Talib
Zuttah
Bennett
Revis
Blount
Mike Williams
and Tim Wright
…and that’s just recently.
If Jackson and Goldson are real men then they’ll restructure
and stay here and fix this thing and like wise if the Glazers
are then they’ll approve the deals and give us some depth
for once.
November 26th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
I feel the same way as most of you, Vjax has helped Evans and the locker room. He needs to stay, cheaper if possible, but we need to have two receiving threats to make the passing game work. If they get another player that develops, then the future may change, but we have to keep the players that actually help the team for next year, even if flawed (work the jug machine in the off-season Vjax and catch the damn ball more often!). Let’s fix the gaping holes, not get rid of players with tiny cracks. Face it, FA doesn’t work out well very often, so getting rid of him for a different receiver that is cheaper likely wont work. Unless Megatron decides he has to live in Tampa, don’t even think about it.
November 26th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
VJAX NO the rest need to restructure or see ya
TO ALL HAVE A HAPPY AN BLESSED THANKSGIVING
November 26th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Goldson we don’t need to keep. Not the right player for this defense, we need a true ball hawking safety. Without a lot of turnovers, Lovie’s system doesn’t work.
November 26th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
If Jackson restructures then there’s no sane
reason not to keep him. The dropoff in talent
from Evans and Jackson to the rest of the WR’s is precipitous at best.
Why would you want to release him?
What do you think you’re going to get?
November 26th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
VJax is not and never was a burner, it is his size, strength, jumping ability, hands, and intelligence that make him an annual leader in yards\catch and 1,000+ yard threat. VJax can lose a step, he can lose 3 steps, he is still more of a threat than 75% of the WRs in the NFL on any given down. This guy can catch 30 yard jump balls on 3rd and 23 when he is 37 if he wants. until we have the talented WR to take on his role in the offense do not jettison him. every year we reduce our talent level (i.e. ship it to the Patriots) for a bundle of middling draft picks and cap room. Let’s refuse to cut effective players until we have an equally effective replacement locked down for a change.
November 26th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
I understand his talent level has dipped quite a bit this year and he is not playing to what they are paying him to do. But I would personally want to keep V-Jacks around if for no other reason than to keep mentoring Evans. Evans is now you’re premiere guy. why not have someone who has been that exact guy for years continue to help him unleash his full potential. I feel people far to often forget how important a mentor can be to young players. Sometimes the sheer experience is worth it’s weight in gold. the last thing we can afford to do is let Evans take any steps backwards.
November 26th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
I agree with everything Picks6 just said!
November 26th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
*by “his role in the offense”, i am now referring to a 1b type of WR to keep giving Mike Evans winnable matchups
November 26th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
these coaches suck! and if they cut vjax they are worst than that. and why joe has it always about vjax getting traded or cut. wtf they don’t need the money that bad
do they how about the idiots lovie picked up!
November 26th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
Look at all the armchair GMs. Say, how’d that shopping spree this offseason work out fer ya?! Yeah, lets cut everyone with a high cap hit so we can turn around and hand it to a bunch of over-priced never-beens!!!
In case you have lived under a rock for the last 3 years, VJax has been our most consistent offensive weapon even with all the turmoil. How ignorant is it to even have this conversation when you need so much help that it really isn’t funny anymore?!
We need to stop looking at what these players are making and start looking at what they bring to the team overall. For crying out loud Dean, who would you replace Mankins with? Stop looking at the salary! We don’t pay them anyway, so why care?
It has been proven time and time again that you build through the draft and augment what you have. We got it ALL wrong this off-season and we’re back to square one.
November 26th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
the bucs are likely going to have a rookie quarterback in the draft who’s going to need a veteran receiver and vjack is the only one we have to speak of….mike evans is a beast and a great receiver but he’s no veteran yet, we’ve seen receivers have sophomore slumps too. I’d agree with you that vjack is no longer elite but that’s what the media does they talk about who to cut based on salary and production but I still haven’t heard anyone say who replaces this guy, who do we bring in to give a rookie quarterback another target since we’re average at tight end AND theres no slot guy to speak of….this isn’t an answer it does nothing but create another whole joe so how about some suggestions
November 26th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
Although he’s not having one of his best years, still a good signing. Jackson and C. Donald good FA signings. Everyone else is a waste of big money. If we let him go, I would understand. Too much money. If he understands, he will restructure.
November 27th, 2014 at 8:36 am
Love all those 5’s in the contract because it WAS ALL ABOUT 5!
November 27th, 2014 at 8:37 am
I believe the Bucs will definitely ask him to restructure before they simply cut him. Goldson is as good as gone.
November 27th, 2014 at 12:28 pm
Give him a real qb first