Gameplan To Beat The Saints
October 4th, 2014
The Bucs may face their most important game this season tomorrow. A win against the Saints may not look impressive, but it would be very impressive given the recent history of the two clubs.
A win would validate the program Lovie Smith is building in Tampa Bay. A win means Bucs fans may have to put a hold on their January vacation plans. A loss would do just the opposite.
So how can the Bucs beat the Saints? The “Czar of the Playbook,” Emory Hunt, explains in this week’s Football Gameplan.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
Hey Glennon, you see that guy to your right? Throw him the ball early and often. There’s another guy #87 – he can catch too.
In all seriousness, I really believe we are going to have to throw the ball, as opposed to running it into a wall (as we tend to do no matter the coach). I don’t know the exact stats, but it seems like we never run the ball well on the road. The Saints secondary is ready to be had – so go right at them. Stop this bullcrap ball control offense that never seems to work and let Glennon play.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:31 pm
A win by the Bucs would validate MG8…and bring justice to the Glennon
Lynch Mob
October 4th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
Been thinking for Demps to validate his roster spot…turf ..put some speed on those bayou boys
October 4th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Hawaiian,
You’ve been here @ JBF for a long time and I have a great respect for your opinion, but I have to disagree a little. For me the only chance the Bucs have in the dome is time management. In order to do this you have to have success running the ball. Throw using play action and go down field. Play keep away from brees and the Saints.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:40 pm
Finally you put football gameplan on here…..insuggested this 2 years ago. 🙂
October 4th, 2014 at 8:40 pm
I suggested*
October 4th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
Bucnjim Says:
“Hawaiian,
You’ve been here @ JBF for a long time and I have a great respect for your opinion”
Yah yah same here great respect. LOL
October 4th, 2014 at 8:42 pm
Where you been Gus, have done it each week this season?
October 4th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
The Bucs will try to get the running game going early, Lovie style. I’m guessing they’ll be somewhat successful. The bucs defense is the key to winning this game, they must have a good outing and I expect they will. The Bucs passing game should show improvement also. What’s not to like about the Bucs chances for the win? Saints desperation at home and recent results against the Bucs cast some of the doubt. I want to predict a Bucs win, but this boils down to a show me game.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
@BucnJim,
What I mean is I don’t think we’ll be able to establish the run. If we can, that’s freaking awesome. I just can’t remember a game in the last few years where we went on the road and ran the ball well. It seems our good games are always at home. It’s possible we could pass to set up the run, but I just don’t think we have the horses to impose our will on people on the ground, even against a weak defense. Not on the road at least.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
Buccfan37…Forrest Gump man. Forrest Gump. You never know what chore going to get.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:55 pm
I want to see if Glennon can show consistency, and not have restrictions. Let him throw the ball on 3rd and long instead of running that stupid draw play. Let’s not run the ball every first down if it’s not successful. Let him throw the ball before we are down and he has to. If you don’t trust him to do that, then lets just draft a QB in the first round next year and move on. Let’s see what he can do if we open up the offense from the gun. New Orleans is going to put up points on our defense. To think otherwise is foolish. Our defense isn’t exactly the 85 bears, and the Saints are due for a big game. Let’s put up some points too and win this one.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
I think Ryan will load the box and dare Glennon to beat them. That could be a grave mistake by the saints. This game will be all about our d line. Brees will be anxious to pull the trigger, but if we can put some pressure in his face we may be able to come up with a couple takeaways.
the trenches will decide it and I’ve got a good feeling both of our lines can outperform theirs.
October 4th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
“I think Ryan will load the box and dare Glennon to beat them.”
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Totally agree. Question is, are we going to try to run the ball anyway.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:02 pm
Hawaiian Buc has a point about the Bucs 2014 ball control offense, here it is in a nutshell: 1st and 10 run off tackle for a gain of 1; 2nd and 9 run up the center for 2 yards; 3rd and 7 pass incomplete or draw play for negative yards, 4th down punt….
October 4th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
Whole new O-line and the past is the past of those games on the road. History is exactly that. History.
So I know it’s a shocker, but I have to disagree just on that fact alone. It’s history.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:11 pm
“the Buccaneers had never won a game where the temperature at kickoff was less than 40 degrees”
History.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
@1987,
We couldn’t run the ball last week! We couldn’t run the week before that in Atlanta. Joe has been saying this since OTA’s – this OL is not built for run blocking. That’s not history, that’s physics. It takes a special kind of OL to pound the rock like that, and while I think our OL has been a pleasant surprise so far, they aren’t special. i’m thrilled they look average.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
If you don’t think the Saints have been gearing up all week to stop our running game, then you’re crazy. They are not going to let that happen, but there will be opportunities through the air. New Orleans got shredded last week on the ground, but Dallas has the best OL in football. Aints are not going to let that happen again. I hope I’m wrong, but I know I won’t be.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
HawaiianBuc…I know the run blocking has sucked. I was just partially yanking your chain.
It is history though. Even last week was history. They could get better at run blocking throughout the season. It could happen.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
The one thing I’ve heard more than once about the Saints defense this season is all the missed tackles. So I’m expecting to see the same from the Saints D tomorrow. Missed tackles.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
Mark my words – if we put a leash on Glennon tomorrow by running repetitively without much success, we will get beat badly – like Atlanta bad. If we call an aggressive game offensively, I think we have a pretty good shot.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
Question is …is Lovie the kind of coach that goes into a game…counting on his QB to carry the offensive game….aQB needs to feel that HE is the offense…not a robot
October 4th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
ASJ and the tight end position is going to setup the game.
If he plays big, all the receivers will play big.
If they contain him easily then it will be a long day for everyone.
With Evans out –ASJ is going to be a prime def target.
Tight ends are going to have to have a great game to get through this.
October 4th, 2014 at 9:44 pm
@ Hawaiian…..
I think we had a pretty good day running against Oakland a couple of years ago….but I agree…..In particular, we don’t run well on 1st & 10….we need to open it up, then use the running game once they start looking pass….
October 4th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
Tampabaybucfan…I was going to mention the 2012 Raider game and the Vikings game that season…but I figure nah…why bother it only 2 games and I’m not looking up stats to see if there was more games.
October 4th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
Plus like I said history. New coach, new coaches, new line etc etc
I’m just not big on what happened in the past. Never have been never will be.
That’s probably what kept me being a Bucs fan for so long. I forget the past.
Past records against this team or that team mean nothing to me too.
Never won in Pittsburgh?….History. Those were different teams with a different HC and team. Hmm I wonder why I never take history into account….
October 4th, 2014 at 10:18 pm
I don’t think you read my last post 1987. Our line isn’t run blockers, with the exception of Mankins. it’s just not their strength. Not history, physics.
Look, if we are able to run the ball effectively out the gate, that’s awesome. Run it every damn play if that’s the case. I love pounding the hell out of a team for 60 minutes. Aint nothing better. However, I hate pounding the ball into a brick wall over and over again, which is what Schiano did every damn game (and Lovie seems to like doing it too). We cannot beat this Saints team running for a yard on first down, a yard on second, and being stuck in a bunch of third and longs. That’s the recipe for getting your butts kicked. Like others, I suspect New Orleans is going to focus heavily on stopping the run, because that’s what we always do, plus they got gashed last week. They are not expecting us to open it up, which is exactly why we should do it. I hate the fact that we seem to enjoy waiting until we are down big before we start running a current offense (as opposed to the 70s offense we tend to run). Where’s the up tempo offense? Where’s the Dunkaneers? We have an absolute beast of a downfield receiver in Jackson, yet we are using him as a possession receiver. That’s not his game. And we wonder why he’s dropped some balls? We supposedly have a stud of a rookie TE, but we are throwing him the ball maybe twice a game??? Did we draft him to block? It’s kind of like having Dwight Howard, but using him as a point guard. Not too smart.
October 4th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
Interesting thought, bigpoppabuc.
When looking at Glennon’s history, it would suggest daring him to beat you has worked. It definitely would have worked, and did work with Schiano as the coach. Unfortunately, it will probably work with Lovie as coach too. But maybe, just maybe, the Bucs wont get in their own way, and at least let Glennon try to beat the Saints, because like Hawaiian said, it’s probably our only option.
October 4th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
“They are not expecting us to open it up, which is exactly why we should do it.”
Yikes!…no need for the long explanation, just that above will do it. That I get.
October 4th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
“Where’s the up tempo offense? Where’s the Dunkaneers? We have an absolute beast of a downfield receiver in Jackson, yet we are using him as a possession receiver. That’s not his game. And we wonder why he’s dropped some balls? We supposedly have a stud of a rookie TE, but we are throwing him the ball maybe twice a game??? Did we draft him to block?”
I have the answer to all your questions in 2 words.
Marcus Arroyo.
October 4th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
@Buc1987, The one I am glad about being history is the bucs never returning a kickoff for a touchdown, that was announced every time we played a game sometimes over and over, Thanks spurlock
October 4th, 2014 at 10:43 pm
Really Joe. I didn’t see it. Awesome. His breakdowns are very good
October 4th, 2014 at 10:43 pm
Saints run defense was just exposed last Sunday night….then again the Dallas O-line are BEAST’S. I wonder if we used some I-formations to get some 4-5-6 yard runs to milk the clock we could keep Crybaby Brees on the sidelines where Payton can pat him on the back while Ryan walks around in a stupor picking fleas out of his mangy mullett gone wild.
October 4th, 2014 at 10:45 pm
I think when I tried to link it you said you couldn’t post it because of the way his videos were uploaded or something like that
October 4th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
Be nice to see Demps activated and see him sprint downfield and thrown to a few times just to open up the run game. be extra nice if he could catch a few passes thrown his way too. I would like to see a shot taken down field on our first play just to shake the saints up.
October 4th, 2014 at 11:59 pm
Demps…can make HUGE plays….once the ball is in his hands with a wee bit of green turf in front of him
October 5th, 2014 at 12:41 am
If the Bucs line up 3 or 4 wide single backfield with ASJ standing up in the flanker pos. or split out in either slot {3 or4wr set} Glennon under center instead of in the Shotgun, the Saints would have a much harder time identfying the Bucs intent. That will force LB’s or SS/FS to cover ASJ or Louis Muphy/Sheppard in the slot. Running lanes would be A LOT more open. I agree that the Bucs don’t have the type of OL that can line up in these big 2 or 3 TE sets and smash teams. Best bet for the Bucs is to try and get up a couple of scores, force the Saints to abandon the running game and get to Brees.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:42 am
^^ He blows.
October 5th, 2014 at 12:42 am
* Demps, that is.
October 5th, 2014 at 4:15 am
A win by my beloved Bucs is far fetched, but if it comes, It will NOT be because of Glennon you idiots, it will be because our defense actually shows up and plays to its potential, then our run game keeps it out of Brees hands, plus the crowd is out in that way. If, and it’s a HUGE HUGE if we win, probably won’t happen, it’s not because of Glennon. Also, every game is a must win for this team JOE!! Unless we get to 9-3. Come on man.
October 5th, 2014 at 5:05 am
Glennon is a back-up QB, regardless of how this season shakes out. The Bucs should draft a QB anyway, if Glennon is so much better than McCown than he would have beaten him out in the offseason or at least the 2nd preseason game. I don’t want a QB that needs the D to be spectacular every game, the o-line to be great, all receivers to be moss and T.O., etc.. That won’t beat this division consistently or beat the 49ers, hawks, broncos, bears, packers, chargers, chiefs, giants, cowboys, cardinals, etc.. you’ll just be blameing the coach and team for everything that’s wrong while going 8-8 every season.
October 5th, 2014 at 6:03 am
Standing next to VJax, who is 6’4″, Glennon clearly is the 6’6″ he’s listed at. But he should add about 20 pounds and he’s be one scare looking dude. We could even change his nick from “Napolean Dynamite” to “Igor” or “Frankie.” This is meant to be a compliment by the way. Who wants to face a guy named Igor?
October 5th, 2014 at 9:15 am
Newbucsfan!!! Says:
October 5th, 2014 at 5:05 am
Glennon is a back-up QB, regardless of how this season shakes out. The Bucs should draft a QB anyway, if Glennon is so much better than McCown than he would have beaten him out in the offseason or at least the 2nd preseason game. I don’t want a QB that needs the D to be spectacular every game, the o-line to be great, all receivers to be moss and T.O., etc.. That won’t beat this division consistently or beat the 49ers, hawks, broncos, bears, packers, chargers, chiefs, giants, cowboys, cardinals, etc.. you’ll just be blameing the coach and team for everything that’s wrong while going 8-8 every season.
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Horse manure.
Winnin’ with Glennon
October 5th, 2014 at 9:33 am
Game plan is easy:
Defense:shutdown graham, collapse the pocket to make brees throw on the run, don’t bite for play action.
Offense: throw more than run, find ASJ often and stop the runs
On third and long.
Overall: win turnovers and prepare for a shootout. Both pass defense are terrible
October 5th, 2014 at 10:15 am
If the Buccaneers Offense,scores more than the Saints offense, the Buccaneers should win. I also think that if the Buccaneers defense prevents the Saints offense from scoring points, the Buccaneers will win