More Wounded Buccaneers
October 29th, 2014
Michael Johnson has a new issue
It’s not just an ankle issue any longer for struggling defensive end Michael Johnson.
Lovie Smith revealed that Johnson has a new ailment and was limited in practice today.
Lovie said Johnson has “a hand injury right now.” Evan Dietrich-Smith also was limited, Lovie said. The starting center has a knee bothering him.
A “foot injury” for Anthony Collins kept him out of practice, but Lovie said he expects Collins to practice on a limited basis tomorrow.
Doug Martin, as Joe referenced earlier, is out with a bum ankle and is walking in the dreaded boot.
October 29th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
These guys flat out STINK.
Injuries and boo boos aside, the Tampa Bay Bungles need to start earning their pay.
This team is painful to watch, Joe, why are we so bad.
Does a 21+ point drubbing by the Factory of Sadness (Browns) this Sunday call for “Fire Lovie” watch?
Schiano WAS NOT afforded the same opportunity, simple as that.
October 29th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Bad news doesn’t surprise me anymore. I expect it. Still love the Bucs though!!
October 29th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
@SteveK,
What are you talking about? Schiano was here for 2 years! We are about halfway through Lovie’s first season. How in the world can you reasonably compare the two situations?
October 29th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Just another guy who should be picking up his paychecks with a ski mask and a fun.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
fun, gun…you get my drift lol
October 29th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
Bring back John McKay! At least the losses & his comments were entertaining.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
Funny just as word spreads of concern that a starter is at risk of losing their gig to a back up, they go down w an injury
October 29th, 2014 at 4:05 pm
Joe…..You noted the exact time that “Johnson put a hand on Bridgewater”……could that be what caused the injury…..infrequent use of hands on QB……
October 29th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
Schiano caused situations that didn’t need to happen during his tenure. There is no comparison to Schiano and Lovie.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:08 pm
@Hawaiian
Because he is delusional known Schiano supporter who gives him all the credit for the good draft picks and all the bad ones to Dom while they were here together.. Almost a waste of time to respond to him..
October 29th, 2014 at 4:09 pm
he is a*
October 29th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
The Bucs have a free agent outbreak of Igotmineitis! The initial symptoms start with guaranteed contracts during the off season. Its becomes full blown once preseason starts and only gets worse as the season progresses.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
All of the Schiano supporters here are terrible unfortunately… They are most of the MGM too where we can get by with avg QB play and rely on our defense… How did that go on Sunday btw? Ya we all know the defense let them drive down for a field goal at the end… If we could mount ANY kind of offense before the 4th quarter then it’s not a close game at all..
October 29th, 2014 at 4:20 pm
Collins probably hurt his foot sticking it in his mouth because I got my popcorn last Sunday and it was stale.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Very few actually support Schiano. What is undeniable is this team is much worse this year than they were last year.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Lovie is a better coach than Schiano, hands down. Schiano never won ANYTHING. Lovie has been to the big show and lost to Dungy. We need to give Lovie at least 4 years to clean up the mess since Monty Kiffin’s premature announcement started the tail spin of this organization. Four coaches in seven years is too much turn around to create a winning team.
Only stability will right this ship.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
There is no comparison to Schiano and Lovie.
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Agreed. To compare Lovie to Schiano is disparaging to Schiano.
Lovie’s a Joke!
October 29th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
Incompetent stability does no one any good. Lovie is beyond incompetent to the point of negligence…
October 29th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
Did Johnson hurt his hand tagging off to his backup (who seemed to be more productive)?
October 29th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
Well, this time last year we were 0-8. Although we aren’t much better, seems to me like 1-6 is better. But you guys just go ahead and continue to warp the truth.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
I guess a better comparison would be 0-7, but you get the point.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
I’m actually happy for so many of you that you have been able to block out how miserable last season was. I have yet to be able to do that.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:38 pm
Hawaiian and Phillip,
Ok, guys, you are so right? 🙂
HAHAHA, Look, we are 1-6 and told we would not need to rebuild.
What defense was better? Schiano’s D led to GMC getting 9.5 sacks and the team was ranked in the top 10 for takeaways. All of this overcoming MRSA and Freeman’s melt down.
Schiano has an eye for talent.
Lovie is well on the way to 1-8, can we compare then?
Sorry that my opinion gets you all worked up.
Bo Gucs!
October 29th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
notice how the injuries to big money players has gone way up since the new CBA…todays athlete is soft…this is why you need smart running the front office…smart doesnt just look at spreadsheets…smart looks for men
October 29th, 2014 at 4:49 pm
“Schiano has an eye for talent.”
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Are you kidding me? Are you FREAKING kidding me? Did you really have the audacity to type that? Please tell me that’s sarcasm. Oh boy, WOW! No point in arguing with a delusional person.
Did Schiano say we needed to rebuild after his first season? Did he say we couldn’t think playoffs? Your revisionist history is amusing.
As for what his defense ranked, who the hell cares? Bottom line is wins and losses. They both stink as of right now, but Lovie is in year one. You can compare them at the end of next season. Until then, just stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself, and I think you’re actually a good poster and have agreed with you on many issues. But on this, you are being absolutely ridiculous.
October 29th, 2014 at 4:49 pm
@Hawaiian…
Yup, and until Glennon puts together a winning season, i’m not sold on him.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
Bucs lost their first 8 last year by a combined 66 points. We lost to Baltimore and Atlanta by a combine 73.
So anyone who says this year is better than last is biasedly hating Schiano. Especially since most people major complaint about Schiano was he was a college coach who accomplished nothing, while Lovie is a 9 year (9 year!!!!!) NFL veteran. Lovie’s performance is disgusting and inexcusably awful.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
This is a much worse team in every aspect than it was last season. The talent level is LESS, now that Lovie has brought in HIS guys. Can anyone tell me where this team has improved under Lovie? Lovie has done NOTHING as a HC without Marinelli and/or Joe Barry by his side coaching the defense, and we all know his offensive skills.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
Oh, by your people’s twisted sense of reality, you don’t pay attention to wins and losses, it’s strictly based on how much you lost by, as well as defensive stats. Oh, okay, got it.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:05 pm
“It’s not just an ankle issue any longer for struggling defensive end Michael Johnson.”
Yeah, it’s an ability issue.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
You can accurately compare the two coaches at the end of next year, period. Until then, just keep on crying little girls, cuz Lovie’s not going anywhere.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
Dude, Hawaiin, we were in the first 3 games until the last minute last year. Lost two at the gun. Worst blowout was by 18. Never completely quit within the first quarter.
This year we’ve lost to (and gotten carved up) by Derek Anderson and Austin Davis. Quit twice before the middle of the first quarter in two games. What exactly makes you think we’re better? That we won a game? Holy crap…
October 29th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
It’s funny that Schiano was actually able to win 6 out of his first 10 games as an NFL head coach, yet the masterful Lovie the Savior, with 9 years of NFL head coaching experience, can only muster up 1 in his first 7 as Bucs head coach, and two were embarrassing blowouts that Schiano didn’t have in his first 7 games. Keeping making excuses Lovie shills!
October 29th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
Celly,
Adjust you binoculars to see the trenches.
Glennon can’t block for himself. Give him an adequate run game and then judge.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
SteveK Says:
October 29th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
These guys flat out STINK.
Injuries and boo boos aside, the Tampa Bay Bungles need to start earning their pay.
This team is painful to watch, Joe, why are we so bad.
Does a 21+ point drubbing by the Factory of Sadness (Browns) this Sunday call for “Fire Lovie” watch?
Schiano WAS NOT afforded the same opportunity, simple as that.
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What is your freaking love-fest over Schiano about? He’s never been successful in the NFL and over his last 22 games he was 5-17… that’s not an improvement, that is getting worse. He started last season 0-8 with the majority of them blowout losses. Lovie’s 1-6 with only 2 blowout losses… like or not, that’s a big improvement. Schiano was awful, he’s the idiot that drafted Barron over Keuchly, he’s the one that gave away a 1st and 3rd for an older CB coming off an ACL injury and then paid him $1 mil a game for his services. He also signed Goldson to a half mil a game salary. He was freaking terrible… the worst ever. And for you suggesting that anybody is worse than Schiano, you are the worst Bucs fan ever.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:42 pm
lightningbuc Says:
October 29th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
It’s funny that Schiano was actually able to win 6 out of his first 10 games as an NFL head coach, yet the masterful Lovie the Savior, with 9 years of NFL head coaching experience, can only muster up 1 in his first 7 as Bucs head coach, and two were embarrassing blowouts that Schiano didn’t have in his first 7 games. Keeping making excuses Lovie shills!
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I’d take Jimmie Johnson going 1-15 to have a dynasty like the Cowboys did. It takes time to build a winner and it’s not really that important how you start, it’s how you finish… and Schiano finished 5-17 in his last 22 games. And of those 17 losses, most were embarrassing blowouts.
October 29th, 2014 at 5:45 pm
Who’s making excuses for Lovie? Some of you are so pathetic that you have to go and make stuff up to try to look like you know what you are talking about. I’ll say it one time and one more time, because I need to get away from all this stupidity: YOU CANNOT COMPARE THE TWO NOW!!!!!!
October 29th, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Lovie is here for the next two years, at least. I’m good with it, but WHERE. IS THE MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENT?
October 29th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Haha! As I once predicted- Hawaiian is drifting closer to the dark side.
And you are entirely right.
Smith came in- looked at the product of the Morris/Schiano dynasty.
He saw trash
Then he looked at the drafts, under Gruden /Dominick
And he saw garbage.
Undisciplined, unskilled garbage
I’m sure he took a puke break.
Then, he dug for treasures.
Didn’t take long
McCoy, David, Jackson
Some talent on the O-line- but ruined. Allowed to be complacent and lazy for too long
Martin. Everyone loves him. But, as some backs do- he’s lost it. The magic has left the building
He decided to “burn that mutha down!!”
Right choice.
But then he screwed up, and talked us into believing we could be competitive.
Never will figure out why.
We knew we sucked. Tell us the truth!!!
“We suck, but we are gonna draft well, spend every penny in free Agency- and will repair 10 years of damage-as fast as we can!!”
I’d have stood with Lovie,?had he given that speech!
But he’s doing what he must
And the reason for faith is simple
He drafted some great players
First time in years.
It is the right thing to do- if you want a winner.
We sucked.sucked for 10 years
Now- we try to win
Hawiian is on the mark
October 29th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
With these guys out now maybe we have a chance.
October 29th, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Good post Capt Tim. I believe the Glazers were behind the “Win Now” mantra and L&L were just doing what they were told. Now way Lovie looked at what he had and really thought he could turn dookie into caviar. He’s been around. He’s not stupid nor naive. He wouldn’t have blownup 1/3 of the starting positions on the team trying to improve through Free Agency (which rarely works) if he thought what he had to start with was worth salvaging.
As long as the overall long term plan is to build through the draft – I think this team – with this head coach will be fine in a year or two. L&L got some good offensive talent in this last draft so I think they have earned a degree of trust that they can find 3 or 4 more solid starters in the coming draft as well. (Hopefully QB, OL and DL).
I certainly don’t like what I’m seeing right now – but I also have a decent degree of belief that this team will start coming together and we will see improvement and win a few more games before the season ends. Maybe not but we’ll see how it turns out in 9 more weeks.
October 29th, 2014 at 6:54 pm
collins neck has to hurt watching the defence running by him
October 29th, 2014 at 6:57 pm
People realize Lovie won 1 playoff game his last 6 seasons in Chicago and only made it one average once every three years right? This guy is nowhere near as good a coach as people think. People thought Andy Reid but he makes the playoffs 2 out of every 3 years. Plainly put, Andy is twice the coach Lovie is.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
“People realize Lovie won 1 playoff game his last 6 seasons in Chicago and only made it one average once every three years right? ”
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Answer me this: Who is saying he’s a great coach? Stop being weak and making stuff up to help your argument. That’s the mark of a desperate person. Besides, how many playoff games have the Bucs won in the last 6 years? How many did Gruden win his last 6 years? Is Gruden a bad coach too? That’s what I thought.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:17 pm
@ Hawiian.
Schiano had them in a playoff race in year one. With less of a roster. They didn’t miss tackles under schiano like they seem to now they seemed to play harder then they do now. Watch Johnson try and come off a block, schiano would have blasted him. I enjoy all you comments Hawiian but Schiano had less even last year with better results. Stop calling people monors for voicing thier opinions.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:37 pm
This is the HawaiianBuc Says web site..
October 29th, 2014 at 7:40 pm
@canadian bucsfan,
It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish. I liked Schiano year one. He did a fantastic job. I still believe that. Year 2 was a train wreck, and he handled every situation about as poorly as possible. Coming from a smaller school like Rutgers, he just wasn’t prepared for all that the NFL entails. He said that himself, so unlike so many on this site, I’m not making things up.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
I’d take Jimmie Johnson going 1-15 to have a dynasty like the Cowboys did.
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Seriously? Johnson went 1-15 in his FIRST year in the NFL, not TENTH, like Lovie the Savior. Johnson won 2 Super Bowls in his first 5 years. Comparing your shill Lovie to Jimmie Johnson is laughable.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:43 pm
Soggy Says:
October 29th, 2014 at 7:37 pm
This is the HawaiianBuc Says web site..
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True that. Hawaiian once saw Josh Freeman pull into One Buc Place at 8:01am the day after a game, hence making Hawaiian a Buc “expert”.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:43 pm
@Soggy,
I don’t recall talking to you. If you don’t like reading my post, I have a solution – don’t read it. We are discussing the Bucs, which is what this site is about. I’m pretty sure we are all men here (well, maybe not you apparently) and we can all take what we dish out to each other. We really don’t need to be sweet to each other when we are posting anonymously, do we? Grow some hair on your chest and toughen up a little.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
@lighningbuc,
Putting words in my mouth. Weak
October 29th, 2014 at 7:47 pm
Sorry I posted on your web site
October 29th, 2014 at 7:50 pm
“Sorry I posted on your web site”
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Don’t let it happen again Sally.
October 29th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
Ok Mrs. smith
October 29th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
Lol great thread.
All good with the suckage of out team, but damn our lines are weak as hell.
Paying GMC one hundred million dollars does no good if another d-lineman can’t take advantage. We are desperately seeking a mismatch up front on both lines.
We need a stud lineman on O or D badly.
October 29th, 2014 at 8:37 pm
“Paying GMC one hundred million dollars does no good if another d-lineman can’t take advantage. We are desperately seeking a mismatch up front on both lines.
We need a stud lineman on O or D badly.”
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Absolutely agree there! Still want a QB if we can get a stud (no reaching though). I have a feeling we are going to argue about that one for the next 6 months or so, lol
October 29th, 2014 at 8:49 pm
Jim Said:
Bring back John McKay! At least the losses & his comments were entertaining.
Yeah I can see that now: he would say something to the effect: “Wow, I think I finally see a team that my 1983 team would be favored over….”
Brandon said:
I’d take Jimmie Johnson going 1-15 to have a dynasty like the Cowboys did. It takes time to build a winner and it’s not really that important how you start, it’s how you finish… and Schiano finished 5-17 in his last 22 games. And of those 17 losses, most were embarrassing blowouts.
True Brandon but the Cowboys had a first round pick by the name of Aikman in the 1989 draft to throw the ball to 1988 first rounder Michael Irvin… They picked up Moose Johnson in the 2nd round of that ’89 draft and got Emmitt Smith and Russell Maryland with their first 2 picks in 1990. I simply do not see the Bucs getting that type of talent in the next draft or two and I doubt if Mike Evans will blossom into an Irvin though he probably be better than Alvin Harper; one of the few high draft picks Jones missed with in the early ’90s……