Change Was More About QB Than Playcalling
October 2nd, 2014
Shaun King weighs in
So did the Bucs open up the offense in Pittsburgh? Or was Mike Glennon just playing a lot more aggressively than journeyman Josh McCown?
Former Bucs quarterback Shaun King, now of NBC Sports Network and Yahoo! Sports, dove into that topic this morning during his weekly appearance on the Ron and Ian show on WDAE-AM 620.
“I don’t know that a whole lot changed. When you look at the playcalling, then you go back and look at the other games, I think the quarterback was a little more aggressive in his decision making,” King said of Glennon against Pittsburgh.
Did Glennon looked poised and comfortable while he was aggressive, Shaun?
“Absolutely. And I think that comes from watching,” King said. “A lot of times when you sit on the sideline and you see someone else do it, you get a better feel for what should have been done, or you kind of get an idea of what I’m going to do when I get a chance. So you know, I think that’s what you saw from Glennon. He’s been on the sidelines. He saw Josh kind of be conservative and he said, ‘When I get in the game and get a chance, I’m going to be aggressive.”
King called on Glennon to be more efficient going forward while he continues to be aggressive. Teams won’t win many games completing 50 percent of their passes, King said, as Glennon did Sunday.
The nuances of playcalls and quarterback reads often are hard for any analyst to know. But it was clear that Josh McCown rarely was being aggressive, except when he was being foolish with the football. And there was that little matter of Bucs coaches taking the ball out of McCown hands in the red zone against the Rams.
Regardless, Glennon was aggressive, threw for 300+ yards and the Bucs walked away with a thrilling win. Let’s see that again Sunday!
October 2nd, 2014 at 10:39 am
This is the right time to reveal the Up Tempo offense. Glennon did well last year against SF with the no huddle. I would love to see the offense come alive on Sunday. It would be smart to be aggressive instead of playing catch up football.
Time to let the horses run! Go Bucs!
October 2nd, 2014 at 10:49 am
This franchise and our fanbase is hemorrhaging for a franchise QB…
This guy can play but is not on par with the division QBs
BOTTOM LINE
October 2nd, 2014 at 10:51 am
This is the kind of analysis I like. Someone that is being objective. I’m surprised King is saying this as I took him as always being negative on Glennon. Another one who is so underrated is Ron Diaz. For not being an ex-athlete, he really knows what he is talking about and tells it as it is…good or bad.
Unless Big Dawg, who is just a hater. Joe was on with him on Tuesday and when Joe said Glennon had a “good game”, Dawg yelled “he did not have a good game”, then cut to a commercial. Of course he did
October 2nd, 2014 at 10:55 am
At least his comments are amusing
October 2nd, 2014 at 10:59 am
I’m gonna avoid making any comments about the caption to the picture. Too easy Joe.
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:07 am
Bucrightoff
I thought that was a great picture of Jamie Dukes.
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:10 am
Up Tempo??? We can’t even get the plays in sometimes..LOL
Rookie NFL play caller IMO it will be a while until we see an up tempo offense.
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:14 am
I can’t tell you how many times there was someone I saw running open, but McCown hesitated, resulting in a sack, or the coverage rolling to the open receiver. It was as if he was scared to pull the trigger. That half a second can make the difference between a sack or turnover, and a TD. I really believe the opportunities were there for McCown, he just didn’t take advantage. I mean, we have weapons. I don’t care what anyone says, they are there. Jackson, Sefarian-Jenkins, Evans, Martin, Rainey, etc. can all make plays. However they can’t throw the ball to themselves. Hopefully Glennon will keep it up and never give up his starting position again.
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:15 am
Joe
So far in our division, there is no winning QB
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:24 am
Bucs should change HC next season, because Lovie is the highest decision maker and what the personal moves in the off-season and the coaching/playcalling is weak.
Defense is vanilla, offense isn´t what i would call dangerous.
Bucs had chance at overhaul when they signed Shiano.
But Shiano was/is horrible “onfield”.
In comes Lovie: Doesn´t make the roster better one bit (if not making it worse; except for more depth… which doesn´t help when the talent level is garbage)
+
Vanilla Defense, with suspect pressure on QB and lousy coverage in the back = horrible.
i am not sure about Licht, because Lovie has final say about anything, but Lovie appears out of date..
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:27 am
+ Lovies handpicked OC (because Arroyo was calling the plays for Tedford back then anyway) is a fool.
Realy:
offense runs plays without sense, instead of attacking mismatches – which makes it worse: considering the players they got.
Thats why draft was so crucial and bucs suck
(good teams attack, they dont play the sticks much)
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:27 am
Under the photo of Sapp/SK10 in small print “Shaun King weighs in
” clever….how much 🙂
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:31 am
Glennon has played what 14 games? He does not even look like the same guy as last year, I can see he is working hard and shows much improvement, If he keeps improving who knows his limits, Just some people do not want him to prove it.. He is the best we got right now so lets be glad we have him and are not 0-16 that was a real posibility, I hate 0-16 so I am already having a good season, Lets seal club them saints for a change and make that run for the division..
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:35 am
Was it more about an opened up play calling or aggressive QB play? I think it was a little bit of both. We saw plays this past Sunday that we haven’t seen this entire season, e.g. that gutsy RB pass inside near the goal line or that fake hand off/fly sweep toss to Solomon Patton. But there’s also no doubt Glennon was sliggin it. The fact is McCown has had every chance to prove he should be the starter, and he just came up short. Should move forward with Glennon the rest of the season.
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:40 am
Glennon’s just better than McCown.
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:42 am
About had a heart attack that I didn’t read the infamous Shawn King Joe description in this article.
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:56 am
Architek Said:
“This franchise and our fanbase is hemorrhaging for a franchise QB…
This guy can play but is not on par with the division QBs
BOTTOM LINE”
Thanks coach!!
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:58 am
Not going to happen. And do we need a fat King telling us what we can see with our own eyes. It was obvious…very obvious the offense was opened up in game 4. Look at facts.. Tedford in limbo but lurking. Offensive line not yet gelling. Results are the first 2 games Arroyo given instructions to be very conservative while the line is learning and Tedford not calling plays. Fast forward to game 4. Line is playing better and Arroyo is given the keys. Presto.. The offense is opened up.. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or an old has been QB to see it. We will all know better when MCcown starts in week 6 or 8.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:03 pm
@Joe,
This is off topic, but Steve Young will be in our office today to discuss our NFL Player Tracking system. There are a couple of Buccaneer fans here and hopefully he’ll see our helmets we have displayed in our cubicles.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Not sure if there is a big enough scale for King to weigh in. How can a supposed athlete that didn’t play Oline or Dline let themselves go so much? Especially knowing your mug is going to be on TV.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:05 pm
Remember, the aggressiveness of the play calling shrunk once the coaches felt like they couldn’t trust McCown, as evidence by all those runs inside the redzone when he was in the game. So I think trust also has a lot to do with aggressive play calling.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:06 pm
@Architek how does anyone know that!?!?!?!?!
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Architek only post it in just about it in every article. WE get!
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:09 pm
“This franchise and our fanbase is hemorrhaging for a franchise QB…”
Architek …repeat over and over again in your head the words. “Mike Glennon is the future”. Until it sinks in.
For 2 weeks before the last draft I was in here saying Lovie Smith will not draft a QB in the entire draft. My reason : Mike Glennon.
Do I agree with him about the future? Time will tell. Actually by the end of the season we will know. I don’t think McCown’s going back in there, so Lovie basically hired a 5 million dollar a year assistant(mentor). This is McCown’s retirement fund.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:11 pm
DB55 Says:
October 2nd, 2014 at 11:07 am
Bucrightoff
I thought that was a great picture of Jamie Dukes.
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Not sure if Dukes has EVER been that fat.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Considering all the years that McCown has had on the bench watching other QB’s make mistakes and miss opportunities then McCown should be aggressive as hell.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:25 pm
Brandon
Ha. You know thats right. Either he got married or depressed one of the two.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:27 pm
IMO, the declarations of judgements of whether MG8 is, or isn’t, our future are very premature. I was wrong in my opinion that McCown was the better QB before the season; MG8 clearly is at this point. But saying The Cannon is not our franchise QB, or that he is the ONE, is way too early to tell.
Lets give him a few games. Lets see if he can put the team on his shoulders occasionally and lead the Bucs to victory. Even numb nuts Free did that. The Pittsburg game was a step in that direction, but it was a collective effort.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:29 pm
If the team continues to improve overall then McCown may have a decent game in him, I just don’t want to see it. I’m happy with MG in there, even if he falters, go with the QB of the future. He is bound to get better over the rest of the season. Architek, you don’t like MG or anyone else speaking positively of him. I get it, tell me again.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:30 pm
DB55, thaat was hilarious.
Seriously, Shaun, you need to start drving by those Krispy Kremes instead of turning in. You’re starting to look like a cop who has been on road patrol duty for the last 15 years.
Do you really wan the epithet on your grave stone to read, “I never met a donut I didn’t like.”
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:34 pm
Bill T…big dawg is a hater! I can hardly stand to listen.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:35 pm
I feel sorry for all of us fans never having a franchise QB. I guess many of you are so desperate that you have convinced yourself Glennon is one. The dude does NOTHING in the first half, throws for 50% and everyone is saying he is the guy! We won the game and he had a very good 2nd half. Let’s let him play the season out. I am hopeful that will put up tape like that 2nd half week in and week out but let’s wait on declaring him the future.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Panhandle/Bill T…only when Joe’s on do I listen #journalisticintegrity…dude needs to cut his test cc’s back about 50 mil…it’s beyond obvious
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Joe keep in mind I don’t say stuff like Panhandle Buc did anymore. Actually I never said anything as bad as most of the people on here about that guy on the radio.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:53 pm
Bucfan4life Says:
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:35 pm
“I feel sorry for all of us fans never having a franchise QB. I guess many of you are so desperate that you have convinced yourself Glennon is one.”
That’s NOT it at all. We have no control over who the QB is, nor do you. No one is convinced that Glennon is one. I have yet to see anyone on JBF say Glennon can be a franchise QB. Even the biggest mob member would ever suggest it. Franchise QB’s are VERY rare and hard to find in the first place. Russell Wilson and Br-ady were like a roll of the dice. The Manning’s and Luck. They only come around once and while.
People like me are rooting for Glennon because he’s a Buc and the best Buc’s QB on the roster. Trust me if the Bucs go QB in the first round most of us will kick Glennon to the curb.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Mike Glennon’s ceiling is Matt Ryan. I am perfectly happy with that.
October 2nd, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Shaun King, one of two Bucs QBs that lost the NFC Championship game with defenses that allowed 11 or fewer points…
But seriously, 9-7 or 8-8 could be enough to win the division this year.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:00 pm
I’ll tell you the difference:
Lovie trusted his QB to throw the ball with the game on the line.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Shaun King should be signed immediately to our roster, he’d have no problem digesting the offense.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Singin’ …Shaun’s bringing booty back…tell all them skinny bit*ch’s that.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:09 pm
People like me are rooting for Glennon because he’s a Buc and the best Buc’s QB on the roster. Trust me if the Bucs go QB in the first round most of us will kick Glennon to the curb.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Although I will say that even the greats had bad rookie seasons. Most of the greats took 3 years to develop but ain’t nobody got time fo dat in today’s NFL.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Soggy-how can you say 0-16 was a possibility then say lets seal club the saints. One day we’re a team capable of 0-16 now we’re capable of goin into New Orleans. People are all over the place here
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Broy34…Forrest Gump-like.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:19 pm
The thing that scares me about Glennon right now is that he cannot throw a fade to save his life. He has these giant receivers and he can’t hit them on the fade. he keeps throwing the ball way too low and at bad angles. Hopefully he can figure that out sooner than later.
October 2nd, 2014 at 1:55 pm
i wish the lovie hate mail would stop, lets see at the end of yr how it looks
October 2nd, 2014 at 2:09 pm
Have read most of the post’s today and suggest that most of you keep your day job. Coaching is not in your future.
October 2nd, 2014 at 2:10 pm
It was forest gump like, you never know what your going to get, lets forget the seal clubbing and just get the win.. Hows that? when we were 0-3 and looking ahead it was a posibility of 0-16, things have changed now, a little anyways.. Like I said it is a good season already for me..With everything said in here and you are questioning my comment?
October 2nd, 2014 at 2:11 pm
@Broy34^^^
October 2nd, 2014 at 2:14 pm
“Shaun King weighs in” ….. at about 280 lbs?
October 2nd, 2014 at 2:19 pm
Nate, the one long pass Glennon connected with Evans on the sideline near the goal was a fade. Get your face out of the sock of glue and try watching the game or won’t your rabbit eared TV get a signal out in Trilby.
I agree though on those low ball bad angle throws. If you didn’t see it, the pass over the middle with under :40 seconds in the game almost killed us.
Throttle down on the mess dude.
October 2nd, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Disappointed in McCown’s play, as I was expecting better, but rein it in on the MG8 hyperbole, yes he won a game, but did not look good for the better part of the game, he just made two plays at the end. Pair that with a 50% overall completion rate (sure there were drops, but everyone has a completion rate that includes dropped passes) and what do you have…here is a hint, not a franchise QB, just a player that won a game after failing to win it on the previous drive. It is definitely a huge wait an see on him, as I am not convinced that he can get it done consistently on offense.
October 2nd, 2014 at 3:10 pm
buctebow…..but Tebow on the other hand is a QB God right?
October 2nd, 2014 at 10:31 pm
DB55 Says:
” Either he got married or depressed one of the two.”
Two? Looks like you’ve listed only ONE reason… twice.