Another Call For McCown Return
October 30th, 2014
Another former Tampa Bay Buccaneer sees the Bucs aching for offense and believes Josh McCown is worth starting again.
Joe can’t believe the cries for McCown. They are illogical.
Today, the call for McCown came a guy who knows a lot about quarterback play. That would be former Bucs QB Shaun King, one of three QBs to the lead the Bucs to the NFC title game.
“I would go back to McCown, just because I think it’s important right now to get a win. I don’t know that Glennon has played terrible but he hasn’t played great, either,” King said on WDAE-AM 620.
“I think we’ve given him a stretch to kind of grab this thing by the horns and make it completely crystal clear that he’s our quarterback of the future. And he hasn’t done that. He hasn’t [fallen] on his face, but he’s just kind of been blah. We had 51 total yards in the middle of the third quarter against the Minnesota Vikings. … This was not a great defense we played this past Sunday.
“So I would play McCown and see if he can get us a victory. They need a win. I don’t think either guy will be the starting quarterback next year in Week 1. I definitely think Tampa is in the market for a quarterback in the draft.”
C’mon, Shaun. Aside from no evidence McCown is better than Glennon, playing Glennon, who has two seasons remaining on his inexpensive contract, is the only smart play. Use the remaining nine games to know exactly what you have in Glennon. Maybe you jack up his trade value. Maybe something clicks and he lights it up. Maybe he solidifies himself as the backup of the future.
Joe just can’t buy any assumption that McCown offers a better shot at a victory. Maybe an equal shot, but certainly not better.
Former Bucs tight end Anthony Becht believes McCown is the right move now because the pocket can be moved with McCown to help compensate for sad pass blocking. Joe gets the logic there, but it still makes no sense.
McCown has zero value as a starter. It seems Lovie Smith agrees — for now.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:36 am
King has egg on his face. Preseason he was a huge backer of McCown and Lovie. He is just sticking with what he said previously.
Starting McCown makes absolutely zero sense. Plus, McCown was below average in his 3 starts. If he had played well and the Bucs won those first 2 games then things are different.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:40 am
Why not? We all need a good laugh at this point.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:40 am
You disagree with him (like we all do) yet you constantly post his opinions. Makes sense. Yea, lets go with the worse one out of the two QBs, that should help things. Good job King.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Its just sad to see where we have been with the QB position over the last ten years. Hopefully drafting Marriota or Winston will be the answer. I was on the fence this year about the need for an elite QB to have a successful team. I am now on Joe’s side of the fence, that you must have an elite QB to be successful long term. Everything stems from that position and without a leader, offensive production will always suffer.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:48 am
I don’t think we need to see anymore of Glennon to tell what we have. An average backup quarterback. Mccown isn’t any better. I would resign Kafka and start him. No reason to win anymore games and cost us draft position. Come on Jameis make us famous.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:49 am
King continues to make village idiots fearful of losing their status.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am
please start mccown, draft a QB and trade glennon.
spare him the fate of this $hit show.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am
Just silly. Give the QB some time to throw the ball and how about running the ball for more than 2 yards? Dungy was earlier in week why Big Ben and Brady have turned it around in recent weeks. His reply….because the offensive line was doing a better job with protection. Ya know….basic stuff
October 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am
“I definitely think Tampa is in the market for a quarterback in the draft.”
I concur with that Shaun King guy.
Not on what he said about Glennon though. Most of us can see and truly place the blame on the o-line. Just like people wondering where Doug Martin went to.
It’s the o-line people and it sucks. Just like every one of Lovie’s o-line’s in Chicago.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:55 am
@ BucPuck
I dont think it’s even a question that we’ll be drafting a QB this May. I mean it’s not like we’re secure at that position, so with a pick in the top 5 why wouldn’t a take a chance on drafting a possible franchise QB? couple that with how bad things have been and the fact that Lovie will want his own guy leading that position, and the question becomes not if we’ll be drafting a QB but which one.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:56 am
@Joe…
Normally, i would fully agree with the statement that we should just see what we have in Glennon (which i don’t believe is much, but that’s a story for another article) but considering that we’re only 2.5 games out of first and the rest of our division is playing like ass, we’re not completely out of it.
Forever the optimist.
10-6, here we come.
#GoBucs
October 30th, 2014 at 11:59 am
C’mon Joe. Isnt it time to recognize that if the line cant sustain their blocks than the only way to make this work it to have a more mobile QB in the game. We already know what we have in Glennon. A very good back up for the next few years. The offense is absolutely terrible. Let McCown play for 2-3 games and if he doesnt improve then finish the season with Glennon. Thats still more than enough games to gauge who he is or isnt.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:59 am
McCown is not going to sit on the fence with the contract he has been given by L&L
Its only a matter of time.
I would look for sooner than later as I imagine he wants him ready for the game in Chicago coming up
Glennon would have to burn up the field to stay in
October 30th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
King is an idiot.
October 30th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
BUC fans and some radio host would have sent Peyton Manning and Troy Aikmen out of town after the first yr.than complained y we let good QB go. takes longer to develop on bad teams
Im not sold on Glennon but the kids only played part of last yr this years with one WR and 3rd string RB and 4 games
This year no OLINE so can you truly judge him and abilities.
check stats of Peyton and Troy people, we gotta at leat let him play season out and than we know who we need to draft or not ..(that is if lovie doesnt take a dline player)
October 30th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
You guys like to point out that he can run, and that’s great, but do you guys not remember what he does with the ball once he starts running? It’s a train wreck. No thank you
October 30th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
There is no upside to starting McCown now that the season is toast. Start Glennon the rest of the season and then you know exactly what you have. If we lose the rest of the season, then you are in great position to improve your WB play with Mariota or Winston in that order.
From where I sit, King is just another ex-jock journalist who needs reaction and I’m ok with that.
October 30th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
I meant QB play
October 30th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
“Shaun King, one of two Buc quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
October 30th, 2014 at 12:28 pm
Going to McCown means giving up on Glennon, which means drafting a QB next year. Which destroys the trench mob.
October 30th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
We’re not winning with either quarterback – the point is moot.
October 30th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
Shaun King = #FeastMode?
October 30th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
ive always known glennon was nothing more than a backup. however, when he acted like a little girl and stepped out of bounds and did not even try to get the first time it confirmed to me how useless he is. Glennon is actually lowering his own trade value not because of bad oline or the million other excuses and creative math glennon fans like to use but by playing like a little scared girl. he needs to go…
October 30th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Tmax
You get crushed over and over again and see if you can get up and continue playing. Not an easy task.
October 30th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Apparently Lovie can see who is the better QB. The young guy vs the old guy. Hands down, the young guy shows promise, the old guy could play a good game. It’s a doubled headed coin flip, Glennon comes up heads.
October 30th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
DB55 – part of the hits he takes is HIS own damn fault since he can’t get out of his own way coupled with locking onto a receiver and holding the ball but I know that’s someone else’s fault not his.
October 30th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
If we start McCown can we at least have NBC play Yakkity-Sax playing in the background (instead of the announcers).
October 30th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
In his entire body of work- what has Glennon accomplished
Lose. And it’s quite a few games now.
Teams have figured him out. And his game is very simple
You show Glennon any sign of pressure- he’s going to his check down receivers
0-3 yard gain.
3 of those- and he’s leading the March back to the side line
October 30th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Who the hell cares anymore?
October 30th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
more exposure is not going to improve Glennon’s trade value.
October 30th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Anyone miss Rob Johnson yet?
October 30th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
We know what we got in Glennon, we don’t need to see anymore. As Herm says, “you play to win the game” and McCown’s best 5 games of his career are better than Glennon’s.
October 30th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Cmon Joe. On one hand you’re preaching the smart play, and on the other you have the very painful daily Jameis Winston watch. Can’t have it both ways mate.
Joe’s not trying to have anything both ways. Right now, Joe believes McCown is no better than Glennon, so go with the young guy, especially in a lost season. Joe proclaimed this after the Falcons beating. –Joe
October 30th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Ben- McStake has been in the NFL since 2002, Glennon since 2013. I can’t believe there are people out there still carrying water for absolute bum. Please stop talking about this loser. It is such an embarrassment to even have him on this team.
October 30th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Problem is we’ve seen Glennon’s best stuff. That’s his ceiling, 32nd ranked offense in the NFL. He’s not improving. What we saw from McCown was his worst stuff, provided he hasn’t gone full dilfer (there no coming back from full dilfer) he has more upside unit they draft someone next year.
October 30th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
Getting a win is pointless. Utterly POINTLESS. In fact, it’s counter-productive. What’s the benefit of finishing 3-13 instead of 1-15? There isn’t one. I agree a long look at Glennon makes some sense. As long as he isn’t foolish enough to pull one of these games out.
I know there’s people out here who disagree with me on this, but now,it’s all about draft position. Again, what is the point of one or two wins?
October 30th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
ya listen to s.king he knows!!!!!!! nothing! that is friggin idiot s..ked!
October 30th, 2014 at 2:18 pm
I agree Glennon should start the rest of the season. The only way I can see maybe going the other way is the team has already determined he’s not the QB of the future and they are afraid he’s actually going to affect his trade value by playing. Put it this way, if he went back to the bench after the Saints game, his trade value would be as high as it has ever been. After the Vikings and Ravens game, it’s probably the lowest it’s ever been. Perhaps they think he’s regressed along with the team and they don’t want to show any more. I know that’s probably not reality, but it’s the only explanation that makes sense for McCown to start.
October 30th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
On the AM dial I heard the pup call Glennon Opie yesterday, a classless act to attack someone for the way they look and not the play on the field. Something Sean Salisbury was fired for at ESPN when referring to Jon Clayton as the crypt keeper years ago. I hope, through the lines of communication, the pup understands that to attack someone for the way they look, their race, their sexual orientation, and/or religious beliefs is not tolerated any longer in modern day society. If I were the pup I would apologize on air for verbalizing his elementary thoughts of Glennon. He makes the entire Tampa Bay area seem like we all should think like him and if we don’t we are the ones who are wrong and consequently then either screamed at or hung up on. Classless and hope he can get a grip. Sorry, Joe I call it like I see it.
October 30th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Fuzzy- well said
October 30th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Because there are some of us that actually value a successful team over draft position. There is no guarantee in the draft. I’d rather know that my team has some sort of momentum and confidence heading into the next season.
October 30th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Better offensive line- Glennon may well be the man. He’s smart. He’s got guts.
But we don’t have a better offensive line.
McCown can scramble. McCown can flat out move.
Yeah, he may throw a stupid interception- and lose,
But that changes what?
At least his mobility will help open up the running game. Running QBs require a committed defender- one less stuffing the line.
One more guy that can take off .
One more thing to concern a defense.
Or do you think things are going pretty good now, Joe?
Might as well try.
October 30th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
@ Fuzzy
Good points. Hopefully the big log will be gone soon.
A lot of Buc fans want Lovie to draft Jamess. The Bucs have not exactly been draft experts. They may be best served trading back for more picks to help build some depth. I would rather see the Bucs pick up a 3-4th round mobile QB with a good arm. The O-line isn’t going to be fixed in 1 year. So you might as well have a QB that can extend plays. Both McClown & Glennon are easy targets with McClown being the fastest.
October 30th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
What would that accomplish? Would we get to the playoffs? Noooo!! We need to ride Glennon out for the season to confirm that we are certain weather we need to draft a QB or not. King is a tard!!
October 30th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
… . Or not. Glennon= 1st pick in the draft
Can’t go wrong there!
October 30th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
MTM and Dallas, thank you. I know I’m not alone.
October 30th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
I want them to win.
October 30th, 2014 at 3:27 pm
I know it’s probably best for us to continue to lose and get the #1 pick. You’re less likely to screw it up at least. However, I just have never been able to make myself want us to lose. I hate losing, even if it’s for a greater cause.
October 30th, 2014 at 3:33 pm
Can someone tell me how to load a pic in the photo box on the right side of our posts?
October 30th, 2014 at 3:33 pm
Glennon is garbage…. Mccown has done the same thing in 4th quarters of games that Glennon has so they both suck in quarters 1-3. If you want the top pick in the draft keep Mr dink and dunk at qb, mccown knows more
October 30th, 2014 at 3:41 pm
Is McCown worth keeping next year?
That’s the question that needs answering, and that’s why you play him. At least one more game.
October 30th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
The best scenario for the Bucs would be ig Glennon goes out and lights it up on sunday light peyton manning to demarius thomas putting up 40 something points. Then next sunday he for some reason has to come out in the 1st quarter, Josh comes in and does well but gets hurt but plays through it and the Bucs lose. Glennon is then out for the next 2 weeks and Kafka has to play because because McCown got blasted. Glennon comes back and does what he has been doing while the D and O get better keeping games close but still lose. The Bucs then trade Glennon and a 3rd pick for a 2nd & 3rd and 3rd next year. They get two 2nd rd. picks two trade up for another 1st. They get Winston w/ 1st and a G/T w/ the other and go D with the others. In my world that’s how it would go
October 30th, 2014 at 4:16 pm
Never, ever, call Melman Opie!
October 30th, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Mc Cown doesn’t seem to think he should be starting !!!
October 31st, 2014 at 2:26 am
In appreciate the sentiments re Glennon remaining the starter Joe, and agree. I just don’t understand the fascination with the immature Winston-he’s not the kind of character I would want to see in any team I support.
October 31st, 2014 at 2:45 pm
if mccown did steal a couple wins glennon couldn’t (not sure i buy that he can), it would only serve to push us out of position for a generational talent, like those fluky wins that cost us one of Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson years ago. I’m not saying we should tank, but if we are going to win games, let’s try to win them with the guys who need the playing time to prove whether or not we can go forward with them. mccown has no future here or elsewhere, it doesn’t serve the interests of the team unless there is an actual school of thought that he is a starting candidate next season.