“You Don’t Start A Quarterback Controversy”
September 24th, 2014
Lovie Smith friend and former mentor Father Dungy shared perspective on quarterback controversies on NBC Sports Network last night.
While Dungy, Ross Tucker and Jason Taylor were talking about the Dolphins’ situation, Joe wonders how this chat could apply to the Bucs in the near future.
Here’s the video cut below.
September 24th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
No, you don’t create a quarterback controversy, it creates itself.
September 24th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
When you’ve obviously chosen the wrong qb from the get go, and then said qb implodes, you yourself have started a quarterback controversy, more proof he’s a moron….
September 24th, 2014 at 5:46 pm
@ Flmike
Amen!
September 24th, 2014 at 5:58 pm
Sorry, don’t see it. McCown has put balls right on the money that have been dropped and prevent first downs. Unfortunately I don’t think this ends well for Glennon and I’m a fan of his. Oh well….mariota time will come soon enough
September 24th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Unfortunately for MG8 is he is once again taking over for a team with a weak offensive line, an injured running back, a poor defense, and receivers of questionable health.
September 24th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
@Tony
I am not currently impressed with any QB’s in the next draft or 2. Jeremy Johnson from Auburn is the best prospect i have seen. Winston is too much of a knucklehead and who knows how these running backs will fair in the NFL now that every freaking team in NCAAF runs the exact opposite of a pro-style offense. So taking a gamble on a QB in the 1st round these days is too big of a risk.
Also, any QB we draft in the 1st round won’t have a long career with the offensive line we currently have.
September 24th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
@ Tony We don’t take kindly to positive player evaluations around these parts…
September 24th, 2014 at 6:37 pm
The only controversy Dungy had was what down to run on….. A. 1st B. 2nd C. 3rd D. All of the above…… Answer is E…. Run it every muthafu*@ing down…. Dungy never knew a team needed a QB to win. Then he went out and got Sean “Fat A$$” King….. The only QB in Bucs history to have the nerve to talk about other QB’s when he couldnt score 1 TD to win a playoff game with one of the best defenses ever.
September 24th, 2014 at 6:55 pm
@Ray Rice, Dont seal club me or anything I was just wondering what you think of lovie smith as HC?
September 24th, 2014 at 6:59 pm
I respect Dungy as a Bucs fan. But as a football fan he bores me to death, and I don’t take him seriously. In fact, most of the time he is Captain Obvious with his analysis
September 24th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
Well, well, well some of you numbskulls are soooo ready to fire Lovie, when as it turns out according to McCoy, its the PLAYERS who aren’t doing their jobs, NOT Lovie. I freakin told you all, its going to take time for these players to adjust and learn Lovie’s defense, and the ones who don’t simply wont be here next year! I said a little after mid season we are going to see some really good defensive play, and I’m standing firm with that prediction!
September 24th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
And dare I say it’s almost a good thing that McCoy isnt in the lineup because with him out it’s going to expose the ones who arent doing theirs jobs even more. No more star player to hide behind on defense for these players.
September 24th, 2014 at 7:43 pm
There is no quarterback controversy because they both suck. It’s sad to know that whoever we draft next year will be better than any other quarterback on our roster, bet alot of people are wishing we had signed Vick now
September 24th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
@buc4lyfe, I have been saying vick and hester all along and I think lovie screwed that up..
September 24th, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Yea cause Vick has played all of what… 4 sanps this season? Yep, you’re right, we chose the wrong backup lol. Truth is there was no quick fix at QB this offseason, unless you draft a QB, even still the jury is out on them (except for maybe Bortles, but there was no shot at us getting him). McCown was our best bet and unfortunately it hasnt worked out. There is no excuse this upcoming offseason though, they need to find a long term fix a QB or they wont be here very long.
September 24th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
The Bucs should hire Tebow for the Steeler game.Tebow had 319 passing yards,and 120 QB rating last time he was involved.Does anybody think the current Buc’s QB will do that?That’s for all you Tebow haters and the bias media.I am a Glennon supporter,but November last year Glennon was one of the ten starting QB rated below Tebow.You doubters can look it up.Glennon do well Sunday.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:07 pm
I think vick is better than lovies choice mcCown..
September 24th, 2014 at 8:12 pm
Like I said, Vick the backup or McCown the backup as our starting QB. Neither of them are giving us much to work with. This offseason though, I will be uber pissed if they dont find a more acceptable fix at QB. We are most likely going to have a very high pick in the draft, and there are a couple of really good QBs to chose from. Pick one and be done with it.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
if lovie Picks up FA vick and hester today we are not 0-3
September 24th, 2014 at 8:16 pm
Mark Sanchez proven starter would have been my choice. Won playoff games. And ask Philly what they think of him.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:18 pm
@ Soggy
Lol, whatever you say man.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Just my opinion, Its all to late now anyways.. peace man..
September 24th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
I Like the idea of Hester though. He has proven he still has some juice left in the tank, and you can never have enough play makers. Problem is his agent and lovie couldn’t a agree on a price. And this problem even more important than that, can he make it through the whole season with injuring himself? he already had a scare late in the game vs us, and that was only week 3.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
* without injuring himself.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:32 pm
Ya I would have paid 3 mil for hester, he wanted to be more than just a return man, and I think he was rubbing it in lovies face thursday..
September 24th, 2014 at 8:42 pm
Yea, I think he was rubbing it in Lovie’s face to. No matter, in the grand scheme of things he won’t even be remembered.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:43 pm
As it relates to us, that is. As far as a return, he will go down as the greatest of all time.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
Thats true maybe i will even forget.. lol.. Draft time
September 24th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
If Vick were to come here, I would stop supporting the team until he left. Not becase of the dog thing, but because I grew to hate him when he was a falcon.
September 24th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
Ya i feel like that with superman newton..lol
September 24th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
I tell you what, I am excited about what this defense will be. If you’re just looking at the right now, then of course it’s depressing. But I am looking at the now as something we have to go through to get to where we want to be. These players on defense are learning what to do with every play, every formation, every route, and they’re learning it Lovie’s way. Sure it’s tough in the beginning, but Lovie is consistent with how he plays defense, so these players are learning the same things week after week. At so point, you just know they are going to get it. I just wish people would see it through that perspective. But I get it, right now they haven’t learned it and we are 0-3.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:19 pm
The thing I hate about Newton… if your gonna make big plays and rip yer jersey open like a hero, fine. But, when you get beat, take it like a man. I never saw Superman cry, so stop pouting.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Most controversies are stoked by the Media…..they need controversy to generate interest…without it, things get boring really quick. There is little reason for a coach to create one…..controversy by nature creates division among fans and either way the coach loses.
There really isn’t a controversy….McCown is our starter according to Lovie and unless Glennon lights it up Sunday, I expect McCown will start again when he’s healthy.
After about a 1-6 or 1-7, 2-6 first half…..then I expect Lovie will give up on McCown and start Glennon.
I personally think Glennon should remain the starter from this point on no matter how he plays….this will settle the issue regarding next year’s draft.
September 24th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
The only person who wants to see McCown over Glennon is Duemig. In fact the dean of Tampa sports radio takes his opinion of Glennon to an almost personal level. It really leads one to beleive he’s still bitter about how the Freeman saga played out. It’s funny how he claims Schiano “ruined” Josh Freeman yet fails to acknowledge that Freeman had his best statistical season UNDER Schiano not Greg Olsen and Raheem Morris like he tries to spin it. Lovie had no business just handing McCown the starting job over Glennon without so much as a competition. And I dont care how much more mobile McCown is. He is still mediocre and Glennon should be starting from week one.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
I think the QB controversy was ignited when do-no-wrong Lovie and his lapdog GM decided to dump a pile of money in the lap of that garbage backup McCown. As long as you have no hope behind center you franchise will languish in perpetual controversy. Ask Dungy!
September 24th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
I would rather have a QUARTERBACK controversy than a Team sucks/Coach sucks/QB sucks controversy.
Let’s just play ball.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:11 pm
Ya lets just play some damm ball, kick start them there bucs like a old harley..
September 24th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Andrew- “I just wish people would see it through that perspective.” Your whole argument is that if only fans would cling to the perspective of hope that their terrible football team will magically improve then things would be better. Keep waiving that lighter in the air. I cling to the perspective of empirical performance, not baseless hope. For example, McCown has always sucked therefore I figured he would suck as our starting QB. Michael Johnson tripped and fell into 3.5 sacks last year on a stout Cincy defense so that told me he is not going to be good. I am not going to sit around hoping that hot wet poop starts smelling better because empirically that never happens!
September 24th, 2014 at 10:22 pm
I’ll take Glennon over any other bum they could find off the street right now. I think the guy has tremendous leadership skills. Every time he steps on the field it is after a bad situation. If the coaches would give them their support, I think it would go a long way. He’s never had that yet he goes in and makes things happen. The team seems to respond better when he is in there.
Say what you want, call him names or what ever. I’ll take Glennon all day. Especially over Vick. Who brought that name out of the grave anyway?
September 24th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
DallasBuc Says:
September 24th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
“I think the QB controversy was ignited when do-no-wrong Lovie and his lapdog GM decided to dump a pile of money in the lap of that garbage backup McCown.”
Not only that man. He released 1/2 the team saying “we were 4-12”. He did that and then unleashed this pile of garbage upon us Buc fans that he assembled in the offseason. The team did win a measly 7 games in 2012 prior to the 4 win season. I didn’t think that warranted getting rid of 1/2 the squad, but hey some STILL believe in Lovie.
BUT let’s give him more time. I know. It’s a Bucs Life.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
@TinBucToo I did, I still say he is better than lovies first choice mcCown If there was better to be had I would have been all for it, my big thing with lovie is not getting hester..Just my opinion did not mean to bring out the seal clubbings..lol
September 24th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
Buc1987 – – -I agree
If 24/7 sports info wasnt available and the Twitter-heads were not glued to their phones like crack, maybe they could have a teeny bit of patience. Dungy went 1-7 first half of his first season, then 5-3 the 2nd. Suffered some ugly losses that first season before they got right.
After that made playoffs nearly every year.
This crap-pile isnt gonna get fixed in a week or two.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
Joe is it that everyone equates Lovie as Dungy. Right now that’s doing a disservice to Dungy.
Did Dungy bring in massive FA’s in his first season and make sweeping changes?
That was then this is now. Lovie is not the second coming of Tony Dungy. I hate to burst your bubble. Time will tell that I’m right.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:45 pm
And another thing…
Tony Dungy NEVER had the power that Love Smith currently has with the Bucs.
Just keep THAT in mind Joe Dunn as the season goes on. Lovie is calling ALL the shots with this team. He IS the GM. Licht just makes phone calls.
September 24th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
Typo alert : “Joe Dunn.. WHY is it that everyone equates Lovie as Dungy?
September 24th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
From now on, ask our opinion first Lovie
September 24th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
Ya what mike10 said lovie
September 24th, 2014 at 11:27 pm
It wasn’t really a pile of money they gave josh mccown but I guess even practice squad money is a boat load to some. If your looking for a silver lining on our qb situation, Glennon is the best check down quarterback in the league which is good for nothing. I’ve never heard anyone talk about this guy going through his progression to find the open man before going to his check down, he’s good for nothing but saying that is a waste because it’s Wednesday and THE EXCUSES HAVE ALREADY STARTED
J 2.0 Says:
September 24th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Unfortunately for MG8 is he is once again taking over for a team with a weak offensive line, an injured running back, a poor defense, and receivers of questionable health.
Has anyone in the mgm figured out that you compare you only compare this guy to garbage quarterbacks? You don’t even try to compare him to nick foles lol deep down you know we’re drafting another quarterback after this season come on admit it MGM your days are just as numbered as josh mccown
September 24th, 2014 at 11:37 pm
Just food for thought, If lovie got FA hester and vick, now vick or glennon whoever wins to offseason QB compatition , would we have won the first 2 games, I think so, then we go into atlanta with that momentum and hester is on our side and maybe just maybe we get that win also, but i think at worst we are 2-1 I do know that it sure would be more fun than watching this well = we know.. Its just food for thought..
September 24th, 2014 at 11:53 pm
@Buc 1987
Amen
September 25th, 2014 at 12:06 am
How can you predict what our record would be if we had Vick. That is just impossible to predict. How many qbs would excell after losing their coordinator? Its like if your teacher told you to study chapter 1 and gave a test on chapter 2. Not defending McCown in any way as his boneheaded play really let me down, just saying Vick most likely would have not prevented this outcome with our current scenario and lack of quality defensive play.
September 25th, 2014 at 12:17 am
I am not saying vick wins the QB competition might be glennon, and dont for get hester, I just think we would be 2-1 and the games would be fun to watch compared to what we have, and twice i say just food for thought..Also if there would have been QB better than vick avalible at the time then thats cool with me, i think QB competition instead of crowning mcCown was a bad coach decision..
September 25th, 2014 at 12:36 am
We need consistencey. Thursday night had me as mad as anyone but we need to give Lovie a few years. Yes there will be growing pains but if we keep firing/hiring head coaches were prone to mediocrity. And I beleive Lovie can build a team better than Schiano or Raheem could. It takes time.
We also need consistencey at qb. Please no more Mccown. We need to see if Glennon fits with this team or not. If so great we can build around him if not we need to find our guy as soon as the season ends. Qb changes throuout the season will result in failure everytime unless of course your a brilliant game manager like Gruden,which Lovie is not.
September 25th, 2014 at 12:38 am
Buc4lyfe—u r so clueless. I just got on u in the Barron blog because u told someone it’s too early to talk draft and here you are.
September 25th, 2014 at 1:13 am
“To everyone that is talking about next years draft please stfu. GLENNON will show he can be foles or cousins” 10 hours ago posted by bucsfan4lyfe. Ten hours later says he has an excuse for Glennon all lined up if he goes career game against pitt and how Tebow did it so Glennon better
September 25th, 2014 at 9:31 am
FLmike, you haven’t even seen Glennon in action yet. who’s the moron?
September 25th, 2014 at 10:09 am
@Broy34
You just got on me? What the hell are you talking about. Is there really a point being here just because you can read? If you don’t understand what your reading you make yourself sound like a mule jack@$$
Saying I won’t give him credit because tebow did it to the steelers was sarcasm idiot!!! My position is every qb on our roster is garbage. Glennon and mccown are here so we’ve been talking draft the entire year even before the draft in case you missed it and Damn so people forgot this site is fueled by opinion and when some pathetic madden gamer gets on here talking like a know it all it just drives away business.
Foles or cousins lol haha you got me…. You got me laughing at ya, cousins came in the game for rg3 backing up a talented qb getting zero snaps and blasted whoever he played for over 40 points, foles took vicks job so uuum Glennon really can’t compare to them either, I was being kind and giving him a chance
September 25th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
The quarterback controversy isn’t about who starts, it’s about whether they are actually quarterbacks! I don’t think I’ve ever gone into a Sunday knowing with certainty that the Bucs were going to lose big time, until this week. I always thought they had a chance, but now the Bucs are just not NFL ready. I really was sold a bill of goods this year by the Bucs media and hate them for it.