“That’s An Organizational Problem”
September 6th, 2014
The reason the “Custodian of Canton,” eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune, is in high demand to be interviewed on both local and national sports radio shows is that he is both entertaining and informative. He brings the heat, sometimes with brutal honesty.
This week, Kaufman began his weekly Wednesday appearances that will last through the Super Bowl with the one and only Chris “Mad Dog” Russo on the channel that bears his name, “Mad Dog Radio,” part of the family of sports channels heard exclusively on SiriusXM Radio.
In a discussion on why bad teams stay bad, Kaufman insinuated the Bucs’ problems since winning the Super Bowl in January 2003 are not just limited to the field of play.
Kaufman, who is rightly irked that the Bucs have gone 11 years and counting since winning a playoff game, lumped the Bucs in with the hapless Browns.
“How many years can these Browns fans suffer?” Kaufman asked. “I mean, I’ve got my own problems here in Tampa. They haven’t won a playoff game since the Super Bowl [in 2003]. But then you turn around and say, what if you were a Browns fan?
“Boy, bad teams, they get into a cycle, Chris. They don’t draft well. The Raiders. The Jags. The Bucs. Teams that are at the bottom year after year. That’s an organizational problem. It’s the same way at the top. New England is an organizational success story.”
Chucky’s drafts (assisted by his salary cap monkey, Bruce Almighty) were downright dreadful beyond words. If you are somehow so hungover this morning you need to toss what’s in your craw from the night before, check out this draft. It will work as a virtual finger-down-the-throat.
Former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik started slowly, but his last two drafts were pretty good, though didn’t ripen fast enough and he was gone, too.
So now the Bucs are a day away from starting a new season with a new coach and a new general manager in a new era. Joe hopes that changes their fortunes. Enough of lumping the Bucs in with the Browns, Jags and Raiders.
September 6th, 2014 at 6:46 am
The saga continues tomorrow. Time to kill the losing culture.
September 6th, 2014 at 6:55 am
Ah yes Dominik got a slow start but was peaking at the end – culminating in 4-12 with the worst offense in the league.
Ah the bias marches on……
September 6th, 2014 at 6:59 am
Let me get this straight:
The “great Kaufmann” needed exactly how long to see/understand this?!
Whats up with all the other sports writers, including you Joe?
Its a problem I, and many others were saying season in and season out.
AGAIN: THIS YEAR THE DRAFT PLAN WAS LAUGHABLE!
again: even online scouts (my very self included, could have done better)
and thats horrible. I am not saying i am that great of a scout or anything, but the bucs staff is unable to make the right and often obvious decissions (much like Shianos/Sully/Sheri playcalling – every somewhat interested football fan could have explained what was wrong).
So why is it, that many (especially Bucs) fans are compaining about other fans (like myself) when we criticize the team?!
They dont want to hear the bad things and just pay 300 bucks a game, for a lousy product?
I dont think so.
I know that there are also “paid fake writers” around the web, in order to try to convince other peoples about some things.
We all know Scott Smith will alway try to talk up the Bucs.
And thats exactly what the paid ones are trying to do.
By their anonymity(?) they have a better chance to sway regular readers about their bosses intends….
Which means: Despite bad personal moves and future planing, bucsfans (other teams the same; heck its the money printing NFL machine) so, fans in general, will pay for HOPE, INSTEAD OF REAL REASON TO EXPECT SOMETHING BETTER.
Its what i allway refer to as: taking one step in the right direction and at least one back.
Getting rid of a capable No2 WR/CenterGuardZuttah/even LT Penn:
then adding a 1st round WR, EDS whos not realy an upgrade (for now), Anthony Collins (who after the pre-season at least, looks like a downgrade to me)…. Getting rid of Revis, adding Verner…..
Left as only real upgrade is the TE position.
That and the playcalling = improved team.
Do i think they are on a superbowl course?
Not even slight.
Playoffs are much more in reach now, but come on: i want – no – i demand better!
Fellow fans, please never ever forget the paychecks they are collecting (players and coaches and FrontOffice staff) compared to what the pay for a gameday experience.
That, plus: that even fellow fans could make better business moves, then these overpaid NFL-marionettes!
September 6th, 2014 at 7:00 am
I think that one post is legendary, because it should open up even the most Bucs-Googled eyes:
louden Says:
August 13th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
Capt.Tim, back from Davies Jones’s locker Says:
August 13th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
We are Tired.
We are tired of being told that this offense doesn’t need a TE.
Or Slot Reciever isn’t important
Or that we don’t need our leader pass rusher, because our injured 2nd year rookie will do it.
We are tired of watching this team have glaring, obvious weaknesses- and being told we are wrong.
Then, once it’s obvious we were right- being told we are supposed to watch yet another crappy season- like good little idiots
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APPLAUD TO THIS MAN HERE, BEST POST SINCE LONG LONG TIME!
SUMS IT UP PERFECTLY
September 6th, 2014 at 7:03 am
Its not just Football that is ruled by its organization….all companies’ success or failure begin at the top. You could say the same for Governments.
As for the Bucs…..we have just two players that were here in 2010……GMC & Dotson……..TWO!!!
Now you can say “that’s football”…..bad luck or whatever you want….but I say its terrible decision-making.
Our last three drafts have been good and I exect that to pay off within the next two years. Good players being coached well = success!!!
September 6th, 2014 at 7:05 am
@ Joe ever heard what happened to Sears? He ever get himself sorted out?
September 6th, 2014 at 7:12 am
Malcom Glazer before he won the superbowl was a man on a mission. After he won he was invested into Man U.
Unfortunately his health declined and never recovered. I believe he would not have put up with the same kind of losing his sons have.
If this group of Lovie and Licht don’t bring us any moderate amount of success then I think we will be stuck just like the Browns until the ownership changes.
September 6th, 2014 at 7:17 am
So how exactly will the Mankins trade help us getting a SuperBowl title?
or
Would it have been better to hold on to that (crucial if you CAN ACTUALLY DRAFT) 4th rounder?
I for one, would love to have a real franchise. A playoff – no – a superbowl contender, year in and year out.
How do you achieve it?
By good personal moves and average-good coaching.
Simple as that.
And somehow the Bucs were able to get either bad coaching or bad personal moves, most of the times even both.
Things have to change.
Sadly its a small market down here.
So the NFL doesn´t care that much.
But if the stadium keeps getting more empty, they will start to shift some success to Tampa.
Look over to Seattle. Success >>> fans spending.
Our expectations here shouldnt be as low as being relevant again.
that would mean 9-7 seasons with enough fans in the stands, so that the NFL wont care.
We shouldn´t buy tickets untill the Bucs realy start to make a difference.
Then the Bucs suddenly will be good, and we can spend sth. on them.
You could call it bandwagon fan – thats what the NFL wants you to call it.
real fans are “loyal” no matter what dump personal moves the team makes ^^ the fan will spend his dollars on a bad product… in exchange for hope and entertainment – deviation from the horrible state the US is currently in…. but i got to stay on course… or Joe will be hating on me for telling the truth…
Fact is: NFL is business first, sports second (WWE? anyone?)
which means they will care, as soon as their profits go down
which means we should demand more, than being relevant (which would mean winning around 9 games a seson, look at smiths history, one superbowl appearence, the rest was hope; not being a real potent contender, because somehow he didn´t want a too good offense??? SMH, its too obvious the NFL is like a sope opera, got to laugh about it, but heck, its good entertainment, if the bucs, would at least keep the dumb moves in check…. getting rid of their best pass rusher was one of the: cannot believe we should believe that moves…..)
Go Bucs!
September 6th, 2014 at 7:18 am
Fellow Bucs Fans,
So were we supposed to fire Gruden/Allen earlier? Should we have fired Dominik earlier and not seen what his players could do under a disciplined (non-party) coach?
Hindsight is a funny thing and all of our hypothetical firing decisions seem so much easier after the fact.
For those of you that don’t like the 2014 Bucs Draft, should we fire Licht now?
I want us to win now more than anyone, but really?
September 6th, 2014 at 7:19 am
Former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik started slowly, but his last two drafts were pretty good, though didn’t ripen fast enough and he was gone, too.
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Say what you want about Schiano the coach, but at least he really helped Dom out in terms of putting together a good draft. Agree with Ira on the organizations that are always bad and ones that are always contenders…the Glazer sons haven’t run the show like Malcolm (RIP) did, and it shows.
September 6th, 2014 at 7:23 am
@louden so was hiring Lovie not the “change” you were looking for? It sounds like you want us to rip away Belichick away from the Pats. Was picking up Lovie not the best move we could possibly do?
September 6th, 2014 at 7:31 am
The Raheem hiring was definitely a step in the wrong direction even as inept as Chucky was in the draft you don’t replace a good coach w someone totally incompetent. As far as Shiano I wish I had what they were smoking.
September 6th, 2014 at 7:42 am
Goodbye, louden. Joe’s already asked you not to post out of the football realm. Frankly, Joe didn’t even really read your post. Joe just has no time to babysit comments –Joe
September 6th, 2014 at 8:10 am
The man who turned the franchise around is dead, and his heirs are not as savy.
September 6th, 2014 at 8:13 am
@Louden, this is not a political blog to post crappy videos of crappy songs by equally crappy bands. If and when any of us would like to engage in political commentary we will go to the proper outlets. Leave your long winded ranting to the BUCS. I’m sure I can speak for most of the readers here that we do not come here to read some dipsh!ts view on politics, and some how tie it in with OUR team.
Go put on your foil hat and suck off the Alex Jones teet a little more.
September 6th, 2014 at 8:14 am
Hey Loud Mouth! Sit the F down and shut the F up!! Just leave! And don’t speak for me. You’ve got issues,man!!!
September 6th, 2014 at 8:33 am
This clown LOUDen is something else.
Hey man, if you wanna sit on your couch slurping big gulps and complaining like you can do the job better, then go do that! What the hell are you doing in here? Just wait until they start winning, then you can unbury your head from the sand that is the shame of your Bucs fandom, dust yourself off, and hop on the bandwagon.
As a FAN…you have a part to play as well. I’m at every home game with my $35 ticket ($300? Give me a break dude)…screaming my face off…encouraging everyone else to scream theirs off too. You envy what the Seahawks have? That overwhelming home advantage started with a 7-9 team that backed it’s way into the playoffs via the worst division in NFL history. If the Bucs snuck into the playoffs at 7-9, there would be 45,000 people at Raymond James and half would be gone by the 3rd quarter because it’s too cold out. The Hawks fans generated a small earthquake for that 7-9 team!
Your part, as a fan…is to support your team. That doesn’t mean to blindly follow them and defend every move they make, but don’t come in here bitching that Evans, ASJ, and Sims were bad draft picks before you ever see the guys play in a game that counts. As soon as you make note of your unwillingness to attend games and support your team, everything else you say loses all credibility in my book.
September 6th, 2014 at 8:34 am
1Gr8Buc – BRAVO!
September 6th, 2014 at 8:38 am
I hate you Louden. Your posts are way too long. Go start your own blog, genius!
September 6th, 2014 at 8:45 am
Louden says, Louden says..
September 6th, 2014 at 8:55 am
@ louden
Didn’t mean to stir up any political debate….just pointing out that every organization down to the individual family needs good sound decision making to make it work…problem solving, accountability and follow up….If you can blame the people for the government they accept/elect…..then you can blame the fans for the team they tolerate.
Its time for Buc fans to demand excellence…..
September 6th, 2014 at 9:01 am
Biggest mistake Dom and the Glazers made was not being able to close the deal with Chip Kelly. I want the real reason the deal fell through? Money or personel power or both?
September 6th, 2014 at 9:05 am
Enough already,lets play football “Go Bucs”
September 6th, 2014 at 9:08 am
Sadly for us the apples fell too far from the tree. Rest in peace Malcolm, we all miss you.
You’ll know the team is headed in the right direction when the organization announces a leader — no, three isn’t better than one when it comes to a captain.
September 6th, 2014 at 9:09 am
Its been a while since I looked at the 2007 draft. Instead of Gaines Adams we could have Adrian Peterson, Revis or Patrick Willis. And thats just with the first pick. Wouldn’t you like a “do-over” on that one!
September 6th, 2014 at 9:11 am
Prediction two of our division teams lose tomorrow and we won’t be one of them.. Ya Baby..
September 6th, 2014 at 9:13 am
*on a happy note, I got McCoy added to sportsbook for dpoy
100=5000 🙂
September 6th, 2014 at 9:14 am
The Glazers and Bucs are a bit unique and not like the Browies, my son’s team, he lives in Columbus and goes to Cleveland for home games.
The Glazers proved they can be great owners/managers winning the Super Bowl and turning around a horrid franchise with wise decisions.
Then what was probably a very wise personal decision for the Glazers but horrible for the Bucs, Malcolm was able to land Man U. Great financial move for the Glazers, but it came at the expense of the Bucs.
Fast forward and Man U is a cash cow for the Glazers at last and so they’ve loosened up the purse strings here in Tampa.
We have a legitimate right to some optimism. I think now that the ManU situation has been ironed out the Glazers will once again rebuild the Bucs. They did it before they’ve seen it done and look what they’re trying to do. Recreate those winning years with the very same formula. Dungy = Lovie Free agent signings this year indicate the Glazers on back on board with a reasonable budget.
GO BUCS!!!
September 6th, 2014 at 9:19 am
How about we play one game with the new coach and players and go from there .. whats done is done …BTW Studies show only 12% of blog readers will read a post over 4 lines long ….i know i didnt read any of the above Bucs version of ‘ War and Peace” by Louden .
September 6th, 2014 at 9:42 am
And yet Johnny you fail to grasp the irony of your own post. Here you are doing the same thing you decry and with such a “positive” attitude.
September 6th, 2014 at 9:45 am
Bruce was here four years.
Two division titles.
Three winning seasons.
Excellent job.
September 6th, 2014 at 9:53 am
louden… at least football is a distraction from the real warmongering.
September 6th, 2014 at 9:56 am
Blah blah blah, everybody makes there point. Gotta argue over stupid crap.
September 6th, 2014 at 9:58 am
Thier ^^
September 6th, 2014 at 10:02 am
Well problem solved! If New England is the reference standard for how successful FO’s are run, then GM Jason Licht and Jon Robinson, Director of Player Personnel are both from the New England factory of successful drafts, trades, and FA personnel.
If landing Logan Mankins is any indication of what to expect from our ex-Patriots, then we’re on our way out of the malaise of picking losers instead of winners. If you’ve got a bad wheel, take spokes from another good wheel!
September 6th, 2014 at 10:25 am
@Briandorry55 for President!!
September 6th, 2014 at 10:39 am
The Bucs drafted Freeman. That was a franchise setback
September 6th, 2014 at 10:51 am
Malcolm Glazer turned control of the team over to his sons. Soon after, this franchise began to slip and hasn’t recovered.
That’s not a coincidence, folks.
September 6th, 2014 at 10:58 am
Louden,
Your long political conspiracy post just negated anything you say about the Bucs because it shows that you are not capable of rational thought.
Also enough with the parentheses, you don’t need to use them in every sentence.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:24 am
@louden-
STFU. Seriously. Everyone who read your posts is now dumber for doing so.
There’s a homeless cat lady who hangs out in the alley behind my house. I should introduce you, the 2 of you could have some truly great conversations together.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:25 am
I can’t stand the Raiders, but they’ll start getting better with Carr as QB.
Mark Dominick did NOT get better, Joe. Greg Schiano’s presence improved the drafts. Schiano may not have been a people person, and his coaching style, though needed at the time, was disagreeable, but his shining strength was talent evaluation.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:32 am
Wow, bad organizational decisions, bad drafting, and bad coaching add up to poor performance on the field??? Genius.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:34 am
@louden
I cannot even finish reading all the crap you posted here, lol.
By what right do you claim this last draft was bad? How do you know such is the case?
You have not even seen them play yet. You can’t accurately claim that WR is not an upgrade. You don’t know. You can’t claim any position (except maybe the RB one) is not an upgrade.
The oline was one of the most expensive ones in the NFL. The Bucs needed money and it was not providing results equal to the investment. Sure, I would have preferred keeping Zuttah, but the money was an issue.
Every position on this team is solid except on the oline and at QB. Really, QB is solid for this year, maybe next year as well.
The recent trade was one that should have addressed your concerns, at least to some degree. But let’s be honest. You have a bug up your @$$ and you want to complain. Go ahead.
Just know that you are wrong. Like it or not.
September 6th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Eds isn’t an upgrade??? lol at loud
September 6th, 2014 at 11:51 am
Snook, the glazers stopped spending money when they bought Man U. Plus, the cap he’ll we were in, plus the lost draft picks from trades and drafting horrible…plus bad contracts.
September 6th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Want to have a super bowl contender year in year out. Its very simple, have a good QB and all the other problems on the team will work its self out. ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!!
September 6th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Bad drafting is a killer for an organization. There’s no doubt that years of bad drafting has been a major reason for the lack of success. However, it’s not the only reason. Schiano had two of the best drafts in a long time. He just didn’t have the ability to connect with the players and put them in a position to succeed. If he knew how to make adjustments and actually coach a good game he might still be around. Lovie doesn’t have the best track record of drafting unfortunately, but he usually has his teams prepared. I guess sometimes you can’t have it all.
September 6th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
Can we start a petition to permanently ban louden from this site and from posting? It’s amazing how little he knows about the Bucs or football in general.
September 6th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
That’s an around about way of blasting the owners! I truly think people actually believe that Raheem Morris or Greg Schiano would have been playoff teams if Tom Brady was our qb, a fantasy draft couldn’t help those two clowns. Look at the packers awful gameplan Thursday….. Now pathetic did Aaron Rodgers team look with that game plan, no one seems to mention their bad drafting because they have a quarterback, give us one and you’ll see the bandwagon load up
September 7th, 2014 at 1:28 am
Anyone, please, buy Louden a bottle of vodka! Chill son, season starts tomorrow. Let it play out and then compare to last season … Is that agreeable folks?
September 7th, 2014 at 6:25 am
Gaines died (& Chucky gave that pick to Monte), Arron went crazy, Sabby was just an athlete who wasn’t good at football. Hayward & Black were good payers. Bad draft, but I thought it would be atrocious the way you described it. The thing that’ll drive you crazy is thinking we coulda (supposedly) had Calvin Johnson if we gave up the picks that became Gaines, Arron, & Sabby. *Sigh* Bruce Allen…
And Ira, it’s the definition of disingenuous & tone-deaf to say “we haven’t made the playoffs since the Super Bowl win.” The other teams would gladly take that scenario.