Former Bucs Player Alarmed
September 23rd, 2014
Joe understands how outraged Bucs fans were at last week’s seal-clubbing at the hands of the Dixie Chicks. Offense, defense, special teams, not only were the Bucs dominated at every angle but players didn’t seem to get help from coaches.
One former Bucs player is so unnerved by what he saw, he took to his website and stopped just short of calling the players “quitters.”
Ellis Wyms, the defensive lineman who got a ring with the Bucs in 2002, and played under Monte Kiffin and Chucky for six years, was outraged.
Wyms suggested everyone on the Bucs sideline was to blame, from the players to the coaching staff, and after watching the Atlanta-arsekicking, he believes the Bucs are a long way from being winners.
Someone should tell the Buccaneers that the season has started. They seem to still be in first gear. There is no reason for the Bucs to be this bad, this early in the season. At this point they should still have fresh legs and optimism about the season, it’s just week 3!
But tonight, they seemed to be sleep walking through much of this game against the Atlanta Flacons. A division rival none the less. There is not a team in the NFL that should be down 35-0 in the first half. No team should be that much Better than any team. All teams have elite athletes. So for the Buccaneers to get dominated in that way is alarming. A lot of people expected this to be a playoff team. It is not! At least not now it isn’t, and it is a long way from being a playoff team. We all thought Lovie Smith would settle the ship and get the team on smoother and more consistent waters. That hasn’t been even close to being the case. The offense looks DOA and the defense (though decimated by injuries!) has been uninspiring and lifeless. They give up big plays but don’t make any big plays. The special teams has even been dismal.
The constant threat of being released usually keeps the special teams competing hard and limiting mistakes. I guess these guys all have 100% guaranteed contracts because they don’t seem to be playing with their hair on fire. Coach Lovie has to find a way to strike the right cord with this team or get ready to draft Marcus Mariotta. Not a bad consolation if you are gonna suck anyway.
Wow. Interesting words in that Wyms believes the special teams players didn’t seem interested. Those are harsh words from a man who has a ring and played six years for the Bucs.
Time will only tell how the Bucs respond. How will Lovie, with a couple of days extra to weigh his options?
Joe knows a lot of folks are thinking the Steelers are ripe for an upset given all the injuries to the Pittsburgh defense. Yet they still suffocated the Stinking Panthers Sunday.
The Bucs have yet to show they can cover a tight end much less stop a neverbeen quarterback like Austin Davis. Joe is honestly frightened to think of what Ben Roethlisberger and Heath Miller can do to this defense.
September 23rd, 2014 at 6:50 am
Ha! Lovie would t know what to do with Mariota if he came with instructions.
#worsthireever #shouldhavehiredbevell
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:04 am
I just hope the Glazers have the balls to do what Cleveland did last and fire the coach after one year. Three games into the season and our season is already over AGAIN.
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:18 am
@Phil, So what is Cleveland’s record again? And when was their last playoff appearance?
Riiiight. Let’s model the Bucs franchise after the Cleveland Browns. BRILLIANT!
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:21 am
The bucs will not be relevant in the NFL again until the owners sell the team. Lets face it fellow BUC fans we are just a revenue stream for their first love. Manchester United. They take all the profits the bucs make ( and even though we suck its still plenty ) and pour it into that mamby pamby oh someone touched me so i fall on the ground writhing in pain sport. Glazers do us all a favor and buy more trailer parks ( thats how they started) and sell OUR team to someone who cares!!
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:24 am
I know this seems like beating a dead horse, but i’ve never seen receiver’s that open in the secondary before. That was absolutely ridiculous. If we keep this up, Frazier won’t last the whole season, he’ll be gone. With all that said, I expect them to look slightly better against the Steeler’s but come out with a loss anyways.
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:36 am
Joe
If you can talk to Hardy Nickerson, the LB coach would he tell you his take, since he played in the bad old days and started the rise by instilling Sapp and Brooks or is he muzzled?
If we see a different team on both sides of the ball with Glennon, could it be they didn’t buy into McCown after his first two games?
When is Lovie going to make changes or is he?
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:38 am
I now feel bad for telling people, this past off season, that Lovie Smith was a good hire and with his NFL experience, should help the Bucs more than the past 2 coaches.
Now I look like an idiot. Thanks Lovie.
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:42 am
“Joe knows a lot of folks are thinking the Steelers are ripe for an upset”.
There can’t possibly be A LOT of Bucs fans that believe this can happen, is there?
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:44 am
Mariota? GTFO…..He is a system QB just like every other Oregon, Texas Tech, texas A&M, and OU QB, (to name a few). IF you do not play in a pro-style offense in college, your chances are slim to none in the NFL. Scam Newton and Kapernick are rare exceptions and on the grand QB scale, they are at the bottom half.
This team needs a good rotation of DL, an upgrade at almost every OL position and goldshons replacement should be drafted next year.
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:47 am
@Buc Fan #237 Says:
“I now feel bad for telling people, this past off season, that Lovie Smith was a good hire…”
Exactly how I feel. Like a friggin idiot.
Lovie, like you like to say about last year’s team, your record is what you are:
Lovie – YOU are 0-3!
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:49 am
Lovie and the rest of this Buccaneer staff should realize one thing:
YOU CANNOT HIDE FROM THE TRUTH!
September 23rd, 2014 at 7:50 am
@JC De La Torre Says:
“…Riiiight. Let’s model the Bucs franchise after the Cleveland Browns. BRILLIANT!”
Got news for you JC. If the Bucs played the Browns the way they played the Falcons, the Bucs would lose! CLE has at least been has played most of their opponents close, nothing like the 35-0 embarrassment we got to witness last Thurs.
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:18 am
I am not a woulda/shoulda kind of guy. But in this instance i’ll say it. We shoulda taken Derek Carr in the 2014 draft. He may be a stud one day.
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:22 am
Well Jesse, the Browns sure look better than we do this year.
Sad.
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:23 am
There’s no way around it. Lovie has done a horrible job thus far. The moves he’s made on offense (naming McClown starter before the season) has blown up in his face. His defense is getting shredded… I could go on and on. Yes, the defense had injuries against Atlanta, but they also had FA pick ups Clint Mcdonald and Verner. Big money Goldson and 1st round pick Barron at safety, all-pro Lavonte David, 2nd round draft picks Banks and Bowers…. I mean, there is NO EXCUSE for that performance.
Yes, Tedford has been absent, but does his presence help Vincent Jackson or (proven butterfingers) Robert Herron catch a football? Or FA Dietrich-Smith not have a mental breakdown? This team is just not coached well. PERIOD. You can’t tell me Atlanta’s roster is 56-14 better than us. Mike Smith just took Lovie’s basement dwelling a$$ behind the woodshed. Then Lovie has the gall to catch attitude with reporters asking questions… I don’t get it. Maybe Lovie was sitting in his basement for a year, for a reason. Maybe the rest of the league knew something we didn’t. SMDH
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:27 am
Seattle has the Legion of Boom. We have the Legion of Room.
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:27 am
… Arroyo needs to be fired. He can’t call plays and he definitely can’t coach QB’s. Proof is in the pudding. He’s been there all season and our QB’s blow out loud.
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:33 am
You better believe Legarrette Blount is licking his chops to beat up on his former team again as well.
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:47 am
Power Rankings
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funny dialouge
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:50 am
People have got to stop with this fire the head coach. What would that do for you? This thing needs to be torn down and built back up! Stop with the bandades no more McCpwn type solutions to get 7 wins. I want to play with all young folks and play for 2 or 3 years for now.
September 23rd, 2014 at 8:59 am
@ BucsfaninChina You better believe Legarrette Blount is licking his chops to beat up on his former team again as well.
Agree! You think this guy is going to lay off the weed with Laveon Bell…er…allegedly…to get psyched up to beat the Bucs?!! Hell yeah he wants to stick it to every team he used to play for. (Note to Blount, in your short career (you were drafted in ’10), that list of teams (Titans, Bucs, Patriots) is already too big!)
@phil
No way the Glazers will pay still be be paying out on TWO former head coaches salaries (Schiano & Lovie) and then bring in a 3rd head coach to run this team! As bad as this looks currently, that is something only the Raiders and Al Davis would used to do!
September 23rd, 2014 at 9:15 am
Really starting to think that we need to cut Tedford and move on. Can’t put the Fans, franchise, on hold till he can come back.
September 23rd, 2014 at 9:20 am
While all the other teams had put their starting roster together and were practicing during the preseason, hence – ready when the season began, L&L were still playing the “lets make a deal” and plugging players into the starting lineup, Hence – not ready or practiced when the season began.
Poor timing on setting the starting lineup, let alone backups or injury issues.
Add into the scenario new coaching schemes which would require extra time for everyone to learn and they started WAY BEHIND time frame wise.
Even star players need time to adapt to a whole new regime and schemes.
L&L blew the timing factor and are now trying to catch up with all the other teams who had their timing figured out for the beginning of the season.
Lovie is now analyzing the games on an individual player basis rather than as a team basis because L&L didnt give the coaches or the players even the minimum time frame to be ready as a “TEAM” when the season started.
The players aren’t going to put up with this blame regardless of their play during the games and regardless of how Lovie wants to justify it, the attitude will show. The players already know what the real problem is regardless of what comes out in print. They are limited in what they can say.
Attitude and ability and coaching wins games.
For the most part I like the roster on this team and think it has great possibilities. The roster hasn’t been used too efficiently though as of this writing.
September 23rd, 2014 at 9:42 am
The way the NFL is, the Bucs will win at Pittsburgh and everybody will be talking playoffs again.
Here’s hoping.
September 23rd, 2014 at 9:48 am
@Zam
LOL, never say never. But I’d almost be willing to bet my house, cars and every dime I could steal on Pittsburgh covering the spread Sunday.
September 23rd, 2014 at 9:53 am
Hopefully it plays out that way Zam. If ever a team that has anything left in the tank would give their all and pull out all the stops it should be after a nationally televised beat down like the Bucs suffered Thurday. I am hoping that we look back at the game this Sunday as the turning point where the Bucs decided they were sick of Jaguars fans saying “at least we’re not as bad as the Bucs!” and the 0-3 start is just a horrible memory. Regretfully that reality may be as improbable as unearthing bottled unicorn farts, but all we can do is keep hope alive I guess.
September 23rd, 2014 at 9:57 am
Bell has looked good to from the couple of games I seen this season.
September 23rd, 2014 at 10:09 am
I’m sure there will be plenty of shots of Lovie, with pursed lips, staring off into space as his team gets their asses whopped again on Sunday…
September 23rd, 2014 at 10:16 am
That’s what I’m talking about Wyms. I couldn’t aree more.
September 23rd, 2014 at 10:57 am
Catch 22. If they fire Lovie after one or two seasons, yet again, the Bucs will be irrelevant. This time for another five years at least. You can’t keep changing coaching staffs or you end up like Cleveland or Oakland or Jacksonville. Or Tampa.
But if they keep Lovie and his staff continues to produce crappy teams, what then? It looks like Tampa has entered into the dreaded downward spiral that just keeps feeding on itself and no escape seems possible. The black hole of suckness. Great day to be a Bucs fan.
September 23rd, 2014 at 10:59 am
WOW – Why did people feel this was a possible playoff team. None of the FA Lovie brought in have done well. Especially the OL. 3 of our cast offs are starters for other teams and doing well.
September 23rd, 2014 at 11:00 am
Wyms is right on the money. These guys looked like they were still on the practice field. Dazed, confused and looking for help. Lord help us all!!!
September 23rd, 2014 at 11:21 am
So you want to fire a guy that is trying to do his job (which he’s never done at the pro level) as well as his bosses job (which he’s probably never done before either) but is having a hard time with it?
I hope you never gain any power in any organization because you would be a shitty person to work for.
September 23rd, 2014 at 11:53 am
bucs players have no heart and no soul. (glennon not included)
September 23rd, 2014 at 11:54 am
Will find out Sunday.
September 23rd, 2014 at 12:28 pm
panhandle buc:
Sorry but, your crazy if you think we shouldn’t draft a quarterback next draft. I mean I agree we need pass rushers. I say we go Quarterback with the first pick and then in the next 4 rounds go pass rushers and then grab a decent corner and saftey in there. I think our OLINE is solidified now they just next a season to mesh and we will be fine. We need to let lovie and frazier work with the defense for a good 8 games before we make final judgement and I think our skill positions on offense are perfect! We get back our monster stud tight end and our new play making 3rd down back Sims we are going to probably start rolling as soon as they figure out the quarterback situation.
September 23rd, 2014 at 4:34 pm
I don’t know if the coaches know how to evaluate talent and how to utilize the talent. Some players seem to go to other teams and thrive after being mired in mediocrity in Tampa. We looked like a team that was never coached and had no scheme against Atlanta. Hey guys, just go out there and play!