“In Time He Will Be Leading Our Franchise”
August 9th, 2014
Why are Lovie Smith’s words in support of Mike Glennon getting stronger?
In May, when Lovie said Glennon was his “quarterback of the future,” Joe was stunned but somewhat soothed by the fact the quote was a rather vague one-liner. “Quarterback of the future,” what does that really mean anyway?
But Lovie has issued a clarification. And it was delivered loud and clear during the halftime show of the Bucs-Jaguars game broadcast on WFLA-TV, Ch. 8, last night.
In a pre-recorded sit-down with Bucs icon Ronde Barber, the game’s color analyst, Lovie said of Glennon, “In time he will be leading our franchise.” For Joe, that was a huge step up from “quarterback of the future.”
Does this shorten the mythical leash on Josh McCown? How many games will McCown be afforded to look like a solid starter, six, eight, 10, 12, in order to secure his job for this season and next?
Is Lovie trying to put more pressure on McCown after watching him through two weeks of training camp?
These are questions only Lovie can answer. But the Mike Glennon Mob certainly has new life this morning, courtesy of the head coach with a five-year contract.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:25 am
With this offensive line I’m guessing 5 or 6 QBs will be “leading our franchise” this year as they drop like flies.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:26 am
After last night….I’m sort of happy the Glennon isn’t starting this year…..it’s dangerous out there!!! Our Oline is going to lose us games and injure QBs….
Glennon looked pretty good…but its hard to tell in preseason against 2nd & 3rd string defenses…..but he didn’t have our 1st string offense either.
I realize that our line isn’t good and wasn’t last year….but is it just me or are we getting better production out of Rainey & James than Martin?
Time will tell…..
August 9th, 2014 at 10:27 am
Call me a mob member if need be, but I saw enough promise last year to build upon with Glennon. He didn’t put that putrid offense on his back and carry the team to victory but so what. Usually the rookie QB’s with great teams around them have any kind of success their first year.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:32 am
Any QB in the league would’ve looked bad behind the Bucs starting OL last night. The run blocking against the Jags first team was abysmal, but the pass blocking was even worse. It looked like the OL was getting out-muscled on just about every play. I was particularly disappointed by the play of our new left tackle Collins (expected better QB protection). Cousins and Meredith played about as I expected they would (time to start talking trades).
Still think that Josh is the best QB we’ve got right now, but Jeff Tedford will need to be a LOT more creative to keep him alive. If he has to stay in the pocket for longer than 3-4 seconds he’ll be dead meat.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:33 am
The MGM has always had life. We were never swayed by the stupidity of thinking Glennon had no chance against a 10+ year career back up. I’ve predicted that Glennon will start by week 1. And I’m sticking to it. Last night only gave me more reason to believe that.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:34 am
Glennon looked like an NFL caliber QB last night. Lead the offense with confidence. Threw sharper passes (consider there were 3 drops that would’ve been 1st downs.) McCown looked exactly like what he is, a back up QB. THE FUTURE IS NOW!!!
“Josh is our guy right now, but he’s not just here to be the QB he is here to help develop Glennon. And if Glennon beats Josh out for the starting job I don’t think Josh would be that mad because it means he did his job.”
– Jason Licht
August 9th, 2014 at 10:40 am
He just said the exact same thing a different way. After last night it is hard not to believe that someone, anyone, besides the great Josh McCown will be taking starting snaps very soon. We are going to get killed with that loser as our starting QB. Lovie/Licht, has reality set in yet? You eff’d up.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:45 am
yeap! the o-line did as expected.
Wow… I was not expecting McCown having so many mental mistakes. No pineapple for him yesterday. At least is just the 1st pre-season game.
I was also disappointed with seeing Glennon throwing a check down when receivers were open. Even Barber and the other commentator mention it. This was after the touchdown. I really thought his check-downs last year was because of having Schiano on his head. I guess not. Is still early. I still have hope for him to get rid of that habit.
The disappointment with Glennon was that he looked good like last year. But, yesterday he was playing against 2nd and 3rd teams of the Jaguars. I was hoping to see more command out of him. And I know the line was embarrassing.
I have to remind myself is just the 1st pre-season game.
The d-line looks exciting! The takeaways will come.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:45 am
We’ll keep talking about QB’s because it’s fun and that’s the glamour position. But QB is not the issue. It’s OL!!! Did any ONE of those guys have a decent game? I’m being serious not snarky.
Do any of you geeks break down the game on your DVR’s to see which OL sucked and if any of them played OK? Looked like a group effort to me.
Remember our outlaw OL Frank Middleton? Wasn’t he the one who said after a performance like this from the OL they should call themselves the Tampa Bay Sucs instead of Bucs.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:46 am
Sky is falling!!! It’s amazing how people react to a first preseason game. No QB would have performed behind that line in the 1st Q. It will take more time to get that unit together and it may take another infusion of talent. But to freak out and blame Josh is just nuts.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:50 am
@DallasBuc
They didn’t eff up, the media did. For some reason the local media hates the living crap out of Glennon, no matter what they say. They fawned over nearly every QB in the draft. Tried their best to undermine the national pundits that praised Glennon. Tried to dispell legitimate rumors of other teams in the league trying to trade for Glennon. And then contend they have nothing against him personally. We all knew it was bogus.
L & L were never going to hand the team over to Glennon. They wanted to light a fire under him. Motivation 101. Bring in a guy that can not only push him, but also teach him. As I have said all along. Glennon starts week 1.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:51 am
Vindication for Couch Fan – aka Glennon’s Biggest Fan.
I’m #2!
The “Tank for Jameis” campaign can now be put to rest. Tampa Bay area Publix’s and their lobster supply can rest easy now.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:54 am
Poor Glennon! Second consecutive year he will be thrown into a mess, behind a crap Oline and following a bad QB named “Josh”. I still think he has what it takes but we’ll never know unless they get a competent Oline.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:55 am
For all those b’ing about the O-Line play last night, it wasn’t much worse than what Glennon played behind last year. Us Glennon mobsters were told that was no excuse for mediocre play, so then it can’t be used as an excuse for McCown’s less than mediocre play.
MG8 Mob!
August 9th, 2014 at 10:56 am
Not so fast DallasBuc.
You and I both know that there was no way the Bucs (or any other team) would go into camp with just two QBs (Glennon and Kafka). So would you rather have had Vick as a mentor to Glennon? I believe they picked the right guy for mentoring. But I don’t believe they really, truly saw him as lasting the entire first year before handing over the reins. After last night’s performance by him and the O-line, that time may come sooner than they thought. Regardless of how bad the O-line played, McCown did NOT look good. But it was just one preseason game. This O-line is going to give him three more chances to get injured before the opening day game. For Glennon’s sake, I hope McCown lasts a little longer. This team is NOT ready for a Super Bowl run (sorry Herm), so why risk the future QB any more than necessary?
August 9th, 2014 at 11:07 am
Hawk- I don’t give a crap about mentoring or even Glennon for that matter. It is the job of the HC and GM to put a starting caliber QB behind center and they chose that loser McCown. You know what? With Vick as our starting QB we would actually win football games. He ran Eagles offense last year and looked fantastic doing it. I can’t believe everyone, Joes included, have been giving the new HC/GM such a pass on the obvious hole that is our QB position. Don’t even get started on how they actually made our oline worse! Going to be a long sad season kids.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:07 am
Whoa, whoa, …… Doesn’t Lovie know that Duemig has already spoken on this ?
August 9th, 2014 at 11:09 am
Glennon rocks that uniform pretty well, looks a bit stronger than last year too.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:13 am
Well said Hawk. I think it would be hard for even the biggest Glennon hater to not admit that Glennon looked to be more poised and made better decisions with the ball than McCown did last night. If that continues to be the case then Lovie will hopefully play Glennon if for no other reason than to see if the Bucs need a QB in next year’s draft or if a Glennon is that guy
August 9th, 2014 at 11:16 am
Toes- “…Lovie will hopefully play Glennon if for no other reason than to see if the Bucs need a QB in next year’s draft or if a Glennon is that guy”. We needed a QB in this year’s draft. What good are all these great skill positions without a competent QB?
August 9th, 2014 at 11:18 am
I’m not sure if anyone noticed but Glennon looked to have improved his pocket mobility which is all he really needs to do, all this BS about needing a mobile QB is garbage. Still needs work on his accuracy though.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:19 am
Glennon is the better QB, that is easy to see. I also took note of who played with Glennon in the skill positions as well. Could that be a clue of the coaches building chemistry for the starting line up at the end of the year???
I am surprised that there is not a story and more talk about the drops in the passing game. I know its the first pre-season game but just grading out, it was not good. alot of stuff for the coaching staff to work on this week.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:19 am
Right on JBuc! Too many knee-jerk reactions.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:21 am
@couch fan
Glennon moved the pocket a lot more than you remember!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeDzn78MiYg
August 9th, 2014 at 11:22 am
After we let Joseph, Penn and now Nicks go I have been very concerned about our O-line. With all the cap money available why did / have we not gone out and got the best available O-linemen?
August 9th, 2014 at 11:23 am
I thought Mike did well last night. After shaking off a few early jitters, he started connecting well. His throwing motion was sharp, spirals were mostly tight, and decent speed on the ball. McCown better step up quick because the future is right behind him.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:23 am
@lightingbuc- you’re joking right? The line that glennon played behind was actually capable of blocking. Albeit poorly but they were at least capable. The line last night was the worst line I have ever seen. I challenge someone to show me a line that has performed worse than that. They were like big bodies that didn’t react, pretty much the D had to run through or around a dummy and get to the QB.
I want glennon to be our QB of the future. No QB has a future behind this line. Not even Vick or manziel or Brady.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:26 am
At least McCown was upset about his performance last night…..you could see it all over him…..unlike Freeman’s shoulder shrugs and blaming every reciever for running wrong routes…..McCown owned up.
I’m still hopeful that McCown can get the job done as a starter….I like Glennon and think one more year of development will do wonders for him. Let McCown be Lovie’s guinea pig with this Oline.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:26 am
@Tbbf
I was thinking the same thing about Martin. I was thinking trade him to the 49ers for their guard. Our RB group is strong. I think Rainy, Sims, and James are all keepers.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:30 am
Hey The_Buc_Realist, how is that Mike is clearly the “better QB”? You were able to make that assessment after 1 Q of play? Funny our coaches and players with years of experience see it differently.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:33 am
@Jbuc
No, I watch last year as well. Old man mcCown will be out on the field until the O-line starts to gel. ( you don’t risk the future franchise ). This year is just about who on this roster can play at an nfl level. The retooling will continue, no matter what you heard.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:44 am
No mater who starts our offense is still going to be non existent. If we start 0-3 or 2-4 or 1-5 then guess what? We have another QB controversy! YAY!
August 9th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Look, I like Glennon as well and think he has potential to be a solid NFL QB. However, these people saying Josh played poorly last night are just silly. I watched the tape again this morning and literally every throw was rushed with the exception of one roll out in which he ran for 8 yards. The line was abysmal with almost all of the holding, hands to the face and false starts coming in the 1st Q. Because Josh is the starter in the 1st preseason game, he is not afforded the time to get into a rhythm or to play behind a line that gets their feet under them. The only thing that was clear to me last night was that this line is still a major work in progress. That is why we have preseason games.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:49 am
I never understood the hatred on Glennon. He was a rookie coming in a quarter into the season. The line sucked (no disputing) and he had two guys to throw to…VJax and a rookie Wright. It’s not like he had 10 TDs and 15 picks. Also, I find it comical that all these haters have a problem with his check downs. Again…crappy line and 2 capable receivers leads to major turnovers if you are forcing the ball into coverage (which is another complaint on Glennon…haters want their cake and eat it too).
Glennon seemed very comfortable last night. I have to give McCown more time because the O-line was sick. But he is 35 and been a career backup for what reason? Guess we’ll find out pretty soon if he can be a true starter.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:52 am
I saw some FA names dropped in the comments above, what about Zach Allen?
COLLEGE
Competed in 42 career games (31 starts) on the offensive line at North Carolina State.
Started 31 straight games at right guard before suffering a foot injury during his senior season.
Blocked for a Wolfpack rushing attack that averaged 104.8 yards per game in 2011.
Provided time for quarterback Mike Glennon who threw for 3,054 yards and 31 touchdowns in 2011.
PERSONAL:
Played left tackle for Tift County High School in Tifton, Ga.
Earned all-state first-team honors following his junior and senior seasons.
Played in the Georgia North/South All-Star Classic.
Earned MVP honors at the Nike Training Camp in Athens, Ga.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
is McCown as bad as he looked? Hope not. Any hope of picking up other teams’s throw-away O-line players? Only hope s I see it. Can’t expect Lovie to fill all the holes in one year. No one has mentioned the schedule….it looks brutal!! Anyone see 8 wins out of that schedule? I don’t. Hope I’m wrong.
Still optimistic on our coaching staff. It takes time. We won with awesome defense in the past……hope that works this year. GO BUCS!!
August 9th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
I DVRd the fame and watched it again. The DT from Jacks was running over out OL at will. Was very ugly. Either the Jags have a stellar D or out OL can’t block a HS kid. As for QBs McCown was taking deep drops and getting caught. Glennon was taking 1 step drops to get the ball out quickly. Looks like that will be the offensive scheme if the OL doesn’t get better.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:07 pm
I knew there would be a learning curve with a new QB and a new offense but really this offense has a LONG way to go before facing Carolina week 1.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
This was the FIRST PREseason game of the season! If this was the 3rd game of the preseason, I could understand the fear and pessimism. I too, was appalled at the job Collins and the rest of the starting O-line put up last night. But, there’s still time.
I’d wait a few weeks before we start looking at this team like we did last season. We all knew something was seriously wrong with the entire franchise before the start of the season. It’s way too early to believe things haven’t changed, at least from a performance stand point. It is refreshing not having to read about MRSA in nearly every news outlet on the internet.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
We need a real GM. Lovie should stick to coaching. Last night was as embarrassing an effort as anything we saw last year. Joe, are you and your media brethren going to hold them accountable for this?
August 9th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Glennon is the next Tom Brady! Signed Stevie Wonder
This dude went up against backup players and looked like garbage and had more time to throw but we have to many autistic fans I swear. Even my elderly mom was screaming at Glennon to throw that touchdown to streeter instead of staring at the guy which he did so many times. He is a scary quarterback who makes a play every now and then and pads his stats with short dink and dunk passes, still can’t complete a sideline pass, BORTLES looked 10 times better than Glennon and the fan base went crazy for him. That’s the look of a franchise quarterback not someone who had to sit behind a journeyman. We ain’t winning nothing with these two quarterbacks except a high draft pick
A solid nfl quarterback is that what were going for? Wow but we’ll hang on a year or two and Glennon can be that. So sad how desperation makes you settle for less, pawnshop quarterback
August 9th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
I wouldn’t want him out there if I were the MGM with that pathetic excuse of an O-line last night… I also don’t care if he is out there anymore because the sooner we get him out there the sooner we will be drafting a Franchise QB… I’m rooting for the kid to prove me wrong and also McCown but I don’t think I’m wrong 🙁
Sorry MGM
August 9th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
@DallasBuc
No way, would be the correct answer. Joe is still trying to subtlety to say that the pop-star was a great gm. Its just like the Freeman situation, all the local media say ” we don’t know what happened, we did not see it coming” maybe it was all schiano fault that drove everyone to play bad”. why don’t you just ask Boomer Esiason, He seemed to be the only one that knew what was going on!!!
August 9th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
A lot of Glennon’s 140 yds was runs by Sims and Rainey. Mr. Check Down passer was mostly inaccurate on long passes as usual and playing behind the better OL and against the Jags’ 2d Defense. He showed no progress from his losing ways from last year.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Dear Glazers,
If this how you’re going to operate then
you can move the team as far as I’m concerned.
Signed,
Malloy
August 9th, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Anthony Collins and Evan Dietrich-Smith need as many snaps this preseason as possible this preseason. They’re the anchors behind the line and getting them as much time to gel as possible will be vital. The “starting” offense never got into any kind of rythym last night. The sky is far from falling after a quarter of a preseason game however we now know where we lack and I have to imagine Tedford and McCown will be working tirelessly on adjustment to compensate for the pathetic O-line play.
The most frusterating part was the defense was great and we were winning the field position battle but two turnovers,one turned into seven points, made all that irrelevant. Jacksonville roughed us up a bit. They were ready to play,our offense was not and it showed.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
INDYbucsfan Says:
August 9th, 2014 at 11:23 am
@lightingbuc- you’re joking right?
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Hell no, I’m not joking. For the last seven months, we’ve been subjected to articles saying how Glennon “led” the worst offense, how Glennon had the worst yards per attempt, etc. with no mention of poor O-line play and a lack of playmaking WR’s all in the hopes of the Bucs drafting John Manziel. Now, McCown is subjected to the same stuff and it’s everyone’s fault but McCown’s. So funny.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
@lightningbuc
Don’t forget Joe running around at every NFL event he could go to asking any one how the bucs could even think of playing with or winning with “the worst qb in the division” (glennon) . then drops the whole subject when the bucs signed Old man mcCown!
August 9th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
Glennon should just throw it deep every time. Even if its picked everytime like McCown, “Atleast he tried hard” and fans would love him. LMAO. I swear some of you are just as autistic as you claim everyone else is.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Mike Evans looked lost out there, as did ASV.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
Buc_Realist and Couch Fan,
Even in this thread there are posters calling Glennon “Mr. Checkdown”. If last night didn’t give a bit of a clue as to why that is and was last year, then nothing ever will to those Glennon haters. Haters will hate just cuz!
August 9th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
As much as I like MG8, he could improve much to be an acceptable starter, some of those throws without much pressure were off target . McCown may still start the season and I can’t criticize him exclusively because of the overall play of the O as many have stated. The Jags are not pushovers, but I expect improvement in the balance of preseason and for the Bucs to put a contender on the field when the stinking panthers show up.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Amen Lightningbuc
August 9th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Thank goodness that Glennon came in. Or else the Bucs would have had 5 turnovers and been shut out on the score board!
August 9th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
I can’t believe people are already drawing conclusions about our O-line after the first preseason game. Saying things like our line is going to be a problem all year… Huh? Isn’t that a bit of a projection after one meaningless game? Don’t you think there’s a chance this is about developing a cohesive unit, which take a little time? Isn’t it possible, they could improve considerably during preseason games and into the season?
This isn’t about denying this area needs work, but that’s what practice is for. And if a quality starting lineman, not named Incognito, became available, we should do that… but the gloom and doom is extremely premature.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
BTW, Nick Foles threw 2 pics in the first Q last night. You think our fan base is overreacting?
August 9th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Since we signed him, I have not been a fan of McCown being our uquestioned starter. He is a “bust” and a career backup/journeyman and this is who were going to be relying on to carry our offense? Not that Glennon is anything to get excited about but one of the issues this season was QB and McCown is the answer? Based on his career were not going anywhere with him and will get Glennon to start once were nearly out of playoff contention. Simply put I don’t think our QB situation was resolved last offseason and that’s where I stand on this whole dividing line between “the mob” and everyone else. McCown won’t make us competitive and Glennon may or may not we don’t know cause he was a rookie surrounded by a questionable coaching staff.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
Lol!
Only you Glennon mobber boys would try to convince someone, that the totally immobile Glennon, would have done better than the Very moble Josh McCown!!!
Glennon looked good against a bunch of soon to be unemployed free agents.
If he had played with the starting unit, he’d be on IR right now.
You guys are letting yer man crush make you delusional!! Lol
That said- I think Both our QBs are really solid. I’m not worried to see Glennon behind center.
But not behind that O-line!!
Whoever is sentenced to start behind those losers, will spend his time running for his life, or curling up in the fetal posistion.
We knew that line would suck. It does. They gotta fix that mess, or they will lose games for us all season
August 9th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
Yea ok, if we were to trot out Glennon with our starting o line vs ANY starting defensive front, do any of you honestly believe he would have done better then McCown? If not then kindly calm the f down and give McCown a chance.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Oh that’s right I forgot, Glennon is soooo good that he doesn’t even need an o line. Defensive lineman will just stand still in awe of his quarterbacking brilliance.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Again, if you had put Peyton Manning behind that line last night in the 1st Q, there would be no more Peyton Manning. I do have faith that Lovie saw what he needed to see last night and will right this ship. For all of you trashing Josh, as Andrew 1 said, calm the f down.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
Why should anybody give McCown a chance if none of you are willing to give Glennon a chance. LMAO. Take your own advice.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
Capt.Tim, Back from Davie Jones’s Locker Says:
August 9th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
Lol!
Only you Glennon mobber boys would try to convince someone, that the totally immobile Glennon, would have done better than the Very moble Josh McCown!!!
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You’re right. McCown looked very mobile chasing after the fumbles he coughed up as well as running after the guy who picked off his heave/punt. Very mobile, that Josh McCown.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
It’s absolutely comical that you are giving McCown a pass for the same things you crucified Glennon for last year. His O-line was absolute garbage. Just as bad as the line we seen last night. But yet poor McCown, nobody could of played behind that O-line. Just comical.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
@ Couch Fan
Because he is the BACKUP QB you twit. until the coaching staff says otherwise, that is all he is. Unless of course you think we should be paying more attention to the backup QB than to our starting QB.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Yea that made no sense Andrew. I already knew he was the back up and I have been paying attention to them both… “you twit”.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Unless of course you think we should be paying more attention to the backup QB than to our starting QB.
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Joe apparently does, because yesterday he had Glennon on his “10 Things to Watch” for last night, with no mention of McCown.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
For all the MGMs gawking, Its almost impossible for them to admit that he is a backup. lmao.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
Lovies words☺
“We need to get our new general manager in here, but just as a general rule, you know there’s a reason why there is a salary cap. And we want to use all of our resources to get as many good football players in here. It’s kind of as simple as that,” Lovie says.
“We want to be right up; we don’t want to have a lot of money in reserves. No one does. I mean you want to use money to get as many good football players. And it takes money to get good football players in here. So that’s our approach.”
Lovie went on to say he looks forward to impressing potential free agents with first-class facilities, premium pay and doing everything “top of the line.”
August 9th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Lovie is telling you that old man mcCown’s time is very short! that is all.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
@ Couch Fan
alright, go ahead a favor a backup QB over a QB professional coaches have deemed the starter then. I could care less.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Keep dreaming, MGM. Glennon only looked better against 2nd and 3rd stringers than McCown did against 1st stringers and he had more time to set up and throw. Glennon did not look better than Glennon last year. He still felt phantom pressure, he still threw passes 10 yards over receivers heads and behind them. He still took the check down when there were other options and time to throw. I’m not seeing the “massive improvement” yet that so many claimed this “incredibly smart, hard working” young man would have this year. As of now, I’ll withhold judgement on McCown and Glennon.
We have all been concerned with the Guard position, with good reason. However, I must say that every week one game I’ve seen so far, the starting D-line of every team seems to be light years ahead of every starting O-line so far. Cutler and Foles didn’t have great openers while both were under constant pressure. Henne didn’t exactly do much while GMC was in his face. I’d like to see another week of the O-line putting things together before I completely tear into them. Meredith seems to be the biggest concern to me as a starter after this game.
That said, there were some great things to see in this game. Rainey really showed some good vision, driving when there wasn’t anything there, and kicking outside when it was plugged up. Sims also had a good showing and could be a real threat all season. ASJ (as Joe has pointed out) is a matchup nightmare, but really needs work on his blocking (too many holding calls). Looks like some decent D-line production, and while MJ and AC were not as noticeable, Bowers, Means, and Gholston all showed up to play. That can only lead to good things. Fletcher made some plays as a backup LB. Carr had some decent, tight coverage even though it often ended up as a reception. Major Wright looked pretty good. Robert Herron has great body control and seems to be a “gamer” more than a workout warrior (better in games than practice).
Unimpressive to me were Meredith (Cousins also, but to a lesser extent), Demps, Owusu (mostly invisible), Myers/Stocker.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
OK……last night was not about McCown vs. Glennon…..it was about our Oline vs Jax Dline….and we got destroyed.
Don’t forget…..we had virtually no running game against them either.
Every time we lose our running game, our QB looks bad…..no matter who he is.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
We’ve had this “debate” before, and it’s already been established that I am NOT a “Glennon hater” but rather a “starting QB supporter”.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
@ TBBF
Exactly!!! The MGM can’t seem to tell the difference though.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Just because the man was handed the keys to the offense without competition doesn’t mean people should blindly cheer Lol. Last night Glennon looked flat out better than McCown. You can make all the excuses you want for him and make the excuses for what Glennon played better but in the end Glennon still looked better. You can stay in denial if you want like the rest of the haters but a few more games like that for McCown and he’ll be benched very shortly.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Andrew,
Don’t forget, those same professional coaches have deemed Glennon “In Time He Will Be Leading Our Franchise”.
“In Time” could mean a lot of things – this week, next week, next year – but it damn sure definitely means it will happen!
I could care less too ‘cuz the future is Glennon, baby!
August 9th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Well said TBBF!
August 9th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
@ Couch Fan
Whatever. We’ve heard from players and coaches alike exactly what they think of McCown, go back and read up on that. In the mean time start referring to Glennon as- backup QB Mike Glennon. You do that every post and it might sink in exactly whats going on.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
He is the backup QB for a reason, deal with it.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Yea we heard how great Freeman was to. Not trying to get into a Freeman debate just trying to point out that players usually always say good things about their teammates. That’s not a good indication of how good the player actually is. And I’ve already said he’s the back up. LMAO. You seem to be harping on this back up title which I have admitted to a few times. But he wont be a back up for long with McCown looking as bad as he did. Then what are you going to say? Lol
August 9th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
You people are clearly mental. MGM, by your own admission, Glennon played behind a poor line last year and it impacted his play as it would with any QB. Same thing happens last night to Josh, and I would argue it was worse, and you claim Mike to be the better QB? How can you even compare? If Glennon had played behind that line you would be defending him because of said line.
August 9th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
CouchFan,
Amongst all the Glennon hate we can take solace in the fact that over the last 3 months Lovie and Licht have said of Glennon:
1) He has a cannon.
2) He is the QB of the Future.
3) In Time He Will Leading Our Franchise.
Until “In Time” arrives, I’m just going to sit back and enjoy watching Josh McCown “lead” us to the playoffs and Super Bowl, even with a poor O-Line, because losing with a poor O-Line is just an excuse for poor QB play (isn’t that right Glennon haters?)!
August 9th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Couch Fan, have you actually watched the tape of last nights game? What would another QB/RB have done better?
August 9th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
@Couch fan
Can’t blame the others, these “cheerleaders” blindly cheered for Freeman till the bitter end, and truth be told still believe that he was sabotaged.
The MGM mob is all for the best QB starting, And when the bucs have a better qb on the roster than MG8, we will tell you so.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
@ LightiningBuc
Ok, and I’m on board with that. But let me ask you, if they were really planning on starting Glennon as SOON as a week from now, then why wouldn’t they have him go up against first string players NOW then? More than likely its because he wont be assured in as soon as the MGM would have you believe.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Yea Lightning, I’m going to sit back and enjoy it to but I’m also going to poke at each and every hater who crucified Glennon last year for the same things they are giving McCown a pass for already. Fair is fair right?
August 9th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
JBuc Says:
August 9th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
You people are clearly mental. MGM, by your own admission, Glennon played behind a poor line last year and it impacted his play as it would with any QB.
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JBuc,
Duh! But apparently you weren’t around when those of us who support MG8 were ridiculed for saying his play was effected by poor line play. We were told that was just an excuse! That is why we are now saying that it can’t be an excuse for McCown’s poor play if it can’t be for Glennon’s.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
@TBR
Exactly. I just want the best QB to play and so far McCown hasen’t shown anything that suggests he’s better.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:03 pm
No way Lovie is dumb enough to make Glennon his QB and commit career suicide and destroy ticket sales
August 9th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Repost
LUVMYBUCS Says:
(March 16th, 2014 at 1:05 pm)
Head scratcher: Bucs signed G Oniel Cousins to a one-year deal. Experienced camp body-So its understandable I guess..smh
August 9th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
Lol Luv were you scratching your head last night? the guy sure can slap a helmet off someones head. To bad that aint legal.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
@Couch Fan
Lol, had to crack open the good stuff after watching that BS. Outside of (S) Tandy, and a few others-Defense played solid though. Don’t get me wrong Tandy has Decent awareness/ball skills. But he’s terrible tackling in space, always get knocked back-never plants his feet and drives guys forward.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
@ Couch Fan
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Glennon IS the future QB of this team. I guess were we differ is when that time will be. And I apologize for the twit comment, let my frustration get the best of me. But I’m willing to bet McCown will be the starting QB come week 1.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
It’s all good Andrew no apology needed. It’s all in good fun.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Hey LightningBuc, I was one of the people defending Glennon last year. I thought he played well considering. I am not bashing Glennon. As both Andrew1 and TBBF said, I am supporting the 1st string QB and the team by pointing out what is obviously wrong with the team at this point. If, over the next couple of weeks, we see massive improvement of the line and Josh is afforded time to throw and we develop a running game and he does not perform well. Then, I would imagine we would all begin to look for other alternatives which might include Glennon.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
can we all just take a deep breath and return to reality. Anyone who expected this offense to gel by preseason game 1 is being unrealistic. Yes they looked poor, but it will take time for all the new players to become familiar with the new offense.
I was very pleased with the defense. They have a chance to be great which will keep the Bucs in every game. Hopefully the offense will begin to gel by week 4 and this team will go on a winning streak.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
JBuc,
I hear ya. Today is just frustrating for the Glennon supporters because last year we were told all season (and this past off season) that Glennon wasn’t any good and the O-Line was just an excuse. Then, McCown sees one quarter of bad line play and is given a pass for his performance, as he should be. Glennon had no chance last year – poor coaching, no WR’s other than Jackson, and a bad O-Line. Oh Yeah, and he also was a rookie, not the savvy veteran that McCown is supposed to be.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
both qb’s suck. we needed to draft one because there are/were no good qb freeagents this year or the next few years.
well, now whomever is our qb can lead us to the #1 pick in the 2015 draft.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
bridewater is a rookie this year and looked very good.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:25 pm
LightningBuc,
Agreed. He played well beyond my expectations last year under poor circumstances. He has a future in this league and hopefully for this team. Just want to see this team win and not ready to trash the current plan until it has a chance to play out a bit.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Maybe instead of arguing, we should all take a steep back, and watch a video of what the starting QB will look like by week 8!
Enjoy!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeDzn78MiYg
August 9th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
All “Mike Glennon Mob” is is a dysphemism used by the people who defended Freeman last preseason to move the goalposts and save face. We want the better QB on the field whether it be Glennon or whoever. Dig up a history of posts and you’ll find that many of us were simply calling Freeman what he was: a bad QB. Then comes this “MGM” thing used by the Freeman-lovers who suddenly stopped talking about Freeman and made it as if we were Glennon worshipers. We’ll just call you “SFL”: the Shamed Freeman Lovers
August 9th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Shamed Freeman Lovers… I like it.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
I do know couch fan that even you, probably the biggest Glennon supporter on JBF, have had your doubts about Glennon being the opening day starter.
Couch Fan Says:
July 31st, 2014 at 10:17 pm
It’s starting to look more and more like Josh will be the starter which is scary but if he’s legitimately better I dont mind it. Just not excited about it. Rather see what we have in Glennon
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=117079
There has never been a doubt in my mind that McCown will be the opening day starter the minute we signed him.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
which glennon?
the first 2 minuted of this video or the last 2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tqj7oSeWpk
enjoy!!
2012 stats:
games played: 13
games started: 13
completion pct: 58.5
passing yards: 4031
rushing yards: -164
touchdowns: 31
interceptions: 17
sacked: 36
seems like he is who we thought he is
August 9th, 2014 at 2:42 pm
@couch fan
well that just proves it. Andrew1 is officially stalking you.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
Sign Icognito to a veteran minimum contract for 3 years.
Give him a chance at LG.
Trade next years 2nd for Boone. Sign Boone to a 5 year deal.
Boon and Icognito combined. Boone=expensive. Incognito=cheap.
It balances out.
We must do something!
Our O-line is a joke!!
August 9th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
Lover needs to make the correct move now. Mike Glennon named starter and McCown the very expensive back up. Mike Cannon sees the field better, has a powerful arm and can make every NFL throw. McCown is who we thought he was. A NFL back up.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
” because losing with a poor O-Line is just an excuse for poor QB play (isn’t that right Glennon haters?)!”
Either that is serious and when related to last season means Glennon played behind a poor O-line and lost, so his “poor QB play” is excused…
or it’s sarcastic and and the QB play wasn’t all that bad, just incredibly affected by the poor O-line play, which means McCown actually has a cannon, is the QB of the future, and will lead this team in the future.
Glennon was an inconsistent QB last year with plenty of blame to pass around to the rest of the team (coaching, play call, injuries, O-line, run game, etc). Last night, Glennon was an inconsistent QB going against 2nd and 3rd string players. Some passes looked nice, others were in defenders hands (his first pass to ASJ), others were in the stands, one “on the move” throw was horribly off target, while another was floated, but nicely on target. Inconsistent. Hasn’t that been a term tossed around the past 5 years quite a bit, but when we add on to it, as in “inconsistent, but young and with potential” it’s all of a sudden better. Even though that was said exactly the same way 5 years ago.
When we got the ball on the Jax 44 yard line to start the possession, where was the TD drive? That was an issue last year, yet we gain 18 yards and kick a FG. After 2 nice pass completions to Murphy, we get 3 straight incompletions (short, deep, then short again). Credit where credit is due… the TD drive in the late 3rd/early 4th qtr was nice. Credit Herron for making a really nice catch. Sims and ASJ came up big too. All against scrubs, so not too much credit, but it’s deserved.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
Haha well it would be impossible to not have any doubt whatsoever with Joe and his lil buddy and just about every one else claiming without a doubt that McCown is better and would be starting. But I never fully bought into it and still dont. But even if he does, I hope the best for him. But after last night?… It’s even more of a scary thought.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
@ the Buc Realist
lol. Your memory of this same stupid debate tends to get better when you do it over and over again.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
@BamBam
I’ll take an inconsistent QB who doesn’t turn the ball over all day over a QB who does turn the ball over. I have no clue if Glennon can be the guy we want him to be but after last night, are you 100% positive the best QB on the team is starting? I’m certainly not. Not sure how anyone can think that at this point. Lovie may even be 2nd guessing himself.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
All I know is that whoever the opening day starter is, I’ll cheer for him. Other than that please bucs do something about the O line. I’m more concerned with that than our QBs.
August 9th, 2014 at 2:59 pm
Couch, after that game, it’s still impossible to say either way. I do think Josh McCown gives us a better chance to win games now. Just hard to see that through the first quarter of play in preseason game 1. I still don’t think Glennon looked good either. His first pass was to ASJ, it was tipped by (I believe a backup) LB, 5 yards in front of ASJ, which (if caught) could have been returned for a pick 6 and Glennon wasn’t under pressure on that throw. So, I can’t go so far as to say Glennon was superior in any way. He was a bit luckier than McCown (mainly in the fact that he didn’t have to play behind Cousins and Meredith against the starting Jags D-line), but not exactly better. I would say it’s pretty close between the two, Josh is not “light-years” ahead of Glennon, they are pretty similar with McCown having more mobility, quicker release, and more experience. In my book, they’re both backups and one will be a backup starting in the NFL and that’s just not good enough.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
Also, I dont know if its just me, but I thought our uniforms looked pretty damn good. Thought I would hate them, but under the lights they looked great.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
BamBamBuc,
Obviously the comment of mine you referenced was sarcasm. I realize Glennon didn’t set the world on fire last year, but the O-Line certainly didn’t help his cause. Just perturbed a bit today tho that all the Glennon haters who said bad O-line play is just an excuse, are saying McCown played poorly due to poor O-line play. Speaking out of both sides of their mouth.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
Ha, lighting, it’s cool. Although, I don’t think I can consider that “poor” O-line play last night… that was horrendous. I think Josh would have had more time if we had set up lawn chairs. Martin may have had bigger holes to run through if we had no O-line at all, but made the D-line just count to one Mississippi before chasing him down…
August 9th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
Willing to give them to week 4 of the regular season but if there is still O-line issues by then it may not be just the players fault –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Warhop
After reading this I am questioning his hiring for the job.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
BamBam,
Somewhere last night Davin Joseph, Donald Penn, and Jeremy Zuttah were watching the Bucs and laughing uncontrollably!
August 9th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
1+1=2, two heads are better than one. Rejoice overflows that the Bucs have TWO capable qurterbacks. It’s going to be better than last season, without any of my doubt.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
@Andrew
I agree the first thing I noticed yesterday were the uniforms. I love em.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
• Jamon Meredith
• Oniel Cousins
We need to trim the fat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WEXzUKM-gU
August 9th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
And here I thought I was the biggest Glennon fan around these parts.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
How exactly did Glennon look sharp. They put up 10 total points
August 9th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
As opposed to the -6 the 1st string put up? Dont think anyone is saying Glennon lit it up last night but compared to 1st string he did very well.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
nothing was comparable because there were too many variables, so it is invalidated.
August 9th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
@broy3434
well, seeing how old man mcCown put up negative 7, even you should be able to do the math.
sheesh, Florida schools must be getting worse, and that is saying something!
August 9th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Per: Bill Williamson |
BSPN San Francisco 49ers reporter
Multiple teams are preparing to approach the San Francisco 49ers about their interest in trading for holdout guard Alex Boone, according to a league source.
Among the teams that could use a guard are Tampa Bay and the New York Giants. Boone can also play tackle.
August 9th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
The best QB for the Bucs isn’t even on the roster anymore… Brett Smith, he of the noodlearm. He’s got the feet and athletic ability to keep plays alive and the playmaking ability to at least get the ball out of his hand. If our OLine plays like it did last night, it won’t be long before we’re giving him a call.
August 9th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
we have about 40 new players and a whole new coaching staff!!!
it’s going to take more than one preseason game cailm down.
August 9th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
This is absolutely NO DIFFERENT from the QB of the future comment.
THE ONLY thing they both mean is that he will get a “chance” to lead this franchise AKA a “chance” to be the QB of the Future sometime later.
Zero is guaranteed beyond that.
Stop fishing
August 9th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Couch fan
you’re kinda pathetic your still using the Freeman argument. Glennon in his second season, second coach and once again he’s a backup on the depth chart. Here you are defending another coach who thinks Glennon isn’t ready and taking your frustration out on other fans who agree. Yes lovie said he was the future which is either true or coach speak. Were not Glennon haters but talking down on mccown skills and calling him a journeyman who can’t play well that’s more of an indictment on Glennon and you because haha he can’t prove he has more skill than a journeyman who’s never gone into camp named the starter even when Glennon is in preseason playing against backup quality and yes he did have more time to throw than mccown but got outshined by a rookie Blake Bortles
August 9th, 2014 at 5:46 pm
And you’ve always been pathetic. None of the rest of your rant is worth noting.
August 9th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
The sports world on the is so bad these days that I just ignore everyone and just watch the games… its gonna play itself out one way or the other anyway.
Why invent propaganda?
August 9th, 2014 at 7:24 pm
Let’s face it. This team’s “franchise quarterback” doesn’t currently reside on the Bucs roster. Having said that if we don’t have the prototype strong armed, accurate qb (ie Brady, Manning, etc.) I’d rather have someone out there who can move in the pocket and extend the play or pick up some yards with his legs. Have you seen Glennon flushed to his left? The word “awful” is putting it mildly.
August 9th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Well, I was against trying to get Incognito…..but after watching that, Im all in. Boone would be a great pick up too. MG8 looking pretty good again!!! Happy about that 🙂
August 9th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
@Couch, im just not on board with the new uni’s. LOVE the new logo though…..just needs to be decreased about 30% in size on the helmet. I want that, the old colors back, and those alarm clock numbers gone…..but I guess we’re stuck with this 🙁
August 9th, 2014 at 11:25 pm
@MadMax
I’m right there with you. I spent half the night trying to adjust me picture so they didn’t look as bad. They don’t look like pro unis at all to me, and there is no way I’m buying a jersey that looks like that.
My wife took one look and said the same.
I guess I buy only t-shirts with the logo if I can find them.
Can the team adjust the design next year? Or are they stuck with it for a few years?
I think a darker red, nicer numbers and better leg designs might make it easier to look at. Half the time, NBC had them looking like claymation figures on the field, so maybe Fox will help them look better when the season starts.
As of now though, I view the jerseys as a form of punishment.
August 9th, 2014 at 11:34 pm
@lightningbuc
I don’t think bad oline play is an excuse. That offensive line surely affected all three QBs in a negative way.
What did bother me about glennon last night was his movement (when he had time), his accuracy, and his release time.
I forget who he threw to off to the side (may Simms?), but he wasted seconds making up his mind. He should have hit him on the run, but instead the player had to sit there waiting, even as it was obvious Glennon was going to throw the ball to him.
His reaction and release is super slow. SUPER SUPER SLOW.
When they went into 2 minute, he sped up for a play and I thought “maybe he is better in a 2 minute?” Then he got flustered and missed every pass after that.
I felt bad for our 3rd stringer. He has no chance to make the team, of course, but that first pass was a beauty and it was called back. It would have at least been something to help him get on somewhere.
August 10th, 2014 at 12:54 am
I, too, find the new unis very unappealing. Any chance we can take up a collection and get Industrial Light & Magic to ‘alter’ them on every broadcast? One week they can look like Jedi robes, another they can be Vader outfits. It’d be fun AND better looking. :^)
August 10th, 2014 at 1:11 am
Amateur hour reading many of these posts.
If nothing else this demonstrates that fans lots of fans EXPECT a magical turnaround and maybe have lost sight that it’s only week 1 of preseason.
August 10th, 2014 at 3:11 am
Agreed Bonzai, perfect description….CLAY. Uhg! I wish the owners wouldve put some options up and allowed the players and fans to vote. But its their team and they’re gonna do whatever they want, but I’ll do what I want in choosing to not buy into those jerseys/colors….just cant do it. The new skull and flag IS bada$$ tho.
August 10th, 2014 at 3:15 am
Btw, Im sorry Joes for my rant last week….I know you guys are in the business to provide information but also provoke responses. Brooks is my man and I just took it too personal about the story of him playing dirty….hope you understand. But again, Im sorry, and no I wont waste a beer over anyones head, lol. Maybe my own for being a drunk idiot when I made that post.
August 10th, 2014 at 9:33 am
poor play in first game in my opinion is partly the result of owners refusal to drop 2 preseason games. We now have shortened training camp. players are in shorts
almost as much as pads. But I have to say I didn’t expect o-line to play that badly. Not only was blocking poor but too many positive plays were negated by penalties
August 11th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Glennon maybe the only bright spot of the Schiano era. As GMC is the highlight of the Raheem. Glennon will be the starter , perhaps by week 1.
September 19th, 2014 at 6:31 am
[…] “In time he will be leading our franchise.” Smith said of Glennon in an offseason interview with Ronde Barber, via JoeBucFan.com. […]