Don’t Judge Josh McCown?
August 8th, 2014
Former Bucs tight end Dave Moore, an astute analyst on the Buccaneers Radio Network, said after tonight’s loss to Jacksonville that starting quarterback Josh McCown should not be judged by his performance.
Moore said the offensive line was so porous, so troubled, that an honest read on McCown couldn’t be had.
Joe can’t go there completely. Yes, the starting offensive line was Rosie O’Donnell ugly. But McCown made mistakes.
Ball security is ball security, and he fumbled twice. His pick-6 was a forced throw. A veteran needs to know how to let a play die and live for the next one.
Joe can’t play pretend. McCown had a bad night.
A very dejected-sounding McCown was on the Buccaneers Radio Network after the game and had no explanation.
“We gotta be better,” McCown said. “You put standards and expectations where you want to be.
“We left ourselves a lot of room for improvement because we just weren’t where we need to be.”
August 8th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
I’m gonna throw something else out there: red and orange were never meant to go together on a football jersey… waiting for that pop
August 8th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
Completely agree with Dave Moore on this one. McCown threw the ball up for graps just to avoid becoming a permanent part of the Everbanks field.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
Exactly Joe. Glad you are being unbias and placing blame for the turnovers squarely where it should be. On McCown’s shoulders. He had time to throw on the pick 6 and held on to long on the fumble.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
I respect Dave Moore a great deal and can understand why he wants to alleviate the burden from McCown after watching that oline. However, McCown has never shown that the quality of oline has ever mattered. This guy has always sucked. Why is he supposed to be good because he is now a buccaneer?
August 8th, 2014 at 11:08 pm
McCown was shaky, unpoised, and just plain bad. Glennon didnt look a whole lot better but he seemed more in control. Bortles was miles better tha any QB tonight.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:08 pm
McCown was shaky, unpoised, and just plain bad. Glennon didnt look a whole lot better but he seemed more in control. Bortles was miles better tha any QB tonight.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:10 pm
McCown was laid out on the pick six. The defense forced that interception. I suppose the Glennon Mob will be chomping at the bit come week one.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:10 pm
Mike glennon
August 8th, 2014 at 11:16 pm
I dont know whyso many people are behind this dude mccown. In the nfl world he is a scrub . Has been and always been. Im a mike glennon fan since we drafted him. With that being said im a buc fan. I dont getvpayed the big bucs but i would of started mike g and then he he is not what i think he is you win or lose with mccown and then draft a qb next year…keep in mind i do believe mike g is that dude but to me thats the way i would handle that situation
August 8th, 2014 at 11:21 pm
This is why I HATE preseason, all the experts come out of the woodwork and scrutinize every bad play as gospel, I happen to remember the Bucs looking horrible in the preseason when they won the SB, so relax people, McCown will be fine…….as long as he has time to set up.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:23 pm
My judgement of McCown is let him regroup and start next week. If he performs like this again I believe Lovie should rethink that QB competition thing
August 8th, 2014 at 11:23 pm
B.S.
That’s just coddling up to the Glennon Mob.
Moore is exactly right- Josh didn’t get a single un pressured throw. Our sad excuse for an O-Line couldn’t fall on the ground fast enough. It looked like a damn Buffalo stampede!!
And we are talking about the limp jaguars here! Not an actual decent team.
They made Cousins look, well, like all of his Tape!
A human blocking Dummy- but with less feel for the game.
Glennon looked good- but against a bunch of second stringers.
But Josh or Mike can make this offense go- if they have time!!!
Josh is far more mobile than Mike.
If we don’t get some linemen- it’s gonna be a looong, sad season of talented WRs,TEs, And RBs, staring at our Qbs lying on the ground every play.
What’s irritating- is we’ve know this for months.yet we were told not to worry- the line is better than we think.
Liars.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:23 pm
For the record, as I say McCown is very capable, I also am a big believer in Glennon.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:25 pm
Have to agree, Bortles looks like he’s going to be a good. If he keeps playing like he did tonight he’ll be starting sooner rather than later.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:25 pm
McCown looked bad. The O-line looked worse. Bortles did look better than any of our QB’s, but he also had time to throw the ball. Especially on the naked bootleg plays that our defense couldn’t see coming after seeing it ran 50 times. Glennon had some good throws and some really bad, unforced, over throws. If that O line doesn’t improve it wont matter who our QB is.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:30 pm
Cough cough COUGHHHH!!! damn, the ko-aid is wearing off.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:35 pm
Kool-aid!! Cough cough choke!
August 8th, 2014 at 11:38 pm
I remember when we went undefeated in preseason and sucked horribly in the regular season. Don’t take everything in preseason as gospel. On another note, the O-Line looked terrible, hopefully they can turn that around some. Maybe it is a new offense or maybe they just are gelling yet.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:45 pm
Did McCown make mistakes? Yes.
Did we expect perfection from a ‘journeyman’ who has thrown less than 300 passes over the last three years? Shouldn’t have.
Compared to the O-line, Josh looked like a Pro Bowler. But it was just a *preseason game*. The defense looks like it is going to give us some spectacular plays to brag about. The offense is going to force us to have a running account with Best Buy for weekly deliveries of new TVs.
It’s time that all the Herm Edwards came back down to earth.
August 8th, 2014 at 11:51 pm
Mccown sucksand it has notjing to do with no oline. Yes the oline was bad but that throw 13 was nothing to do with the line
August 9th, 2014 at 12:04 am
I guess the best word for today’s game was disappointment. Lone bright spots were Sims, Bowers and ASJ. Would of swore Schiano was still coaching the team. The Oline looked as bad as we feared. 🙁
August 9th, 2014 at 12:26 am
Was at the game. Glennon was able to at least bring the team down the field a little. Did he not have to play with a similar level of O Line players that Josh had to work with? Did you see the difference in the Jaguars when Blake Bortles entered the game? QBs really do make a difference. Perhaps we can stop delaying the inevitable and draft a franchise quarterback next year…. Just saying.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:27 am
If McCown plays any worse I’m gonna rename him McClown. Move Dotson over to left tackle. Collins looked like he was on skates and looked to be holding on almost every play.
August 9th, 2014 at 12:34 am
Tampa is a weird town this way.80% of the people can’t get there head around that crap o-line means your offense will get nothing done. Cat was just trying to make plays- he was or is guilty of trying to hard.’
August 9th, 2014 at 1:25 am
We don’t have a QB. The are all bench players did not like how they played at all
August 9th, 2014 at 2:31 am
Hawk…stop talking
August 9th, 2014 at 3:46 am
On which play did he have the opportunity to do anything other than force a throw or scramble like Steve Young circa 1986? This o-line is so abrasively, stupefyingly horrible that normal rules don’t even apply.
August 9th, 2014 at 5:46 am
this Oline were getting tossed around like towels in a dryer…hoo-fa! that was painful….what do we need for Boone (sf) and sign Incognito…all my hair will be yanked out by seasons end with these throw pillows in front of Mcnasty
August 9th, 2014 at 7:14 am
Yeah, the O-line was swiss cheese, but when has McCown done anything beyond 2 games last year when there was minimal tape on the guy- for his career?
I wasn’t happy they signed a career backup as a starting QB. Outside of rarities like Rich Gannon (which McCown is not), they pretty much all fail when handed the job. And before you say Brad Johnson, realize he was a starter in Minnesota for a few years before being handed the keys to our boring ball-control offense.
I’m not a Mike Glennon fan, but at least his best days are ahead of him. Roll with him until we can get a real QB- like the one Jacksonville got.
Damn it all, it’s so frustrating every freaking year we don’t have a respectable QB. I hear Bridgewater’s doing great in Minnesota. Carr’s turning heads with the Raiders. We saw Bortles’s potential in front of us. Manziel is showing up in bars after practice, but he’s still showing skills in Cleveland.
We get Mike Evans and the later-round guys are showing better hustle.
What does it take, Joe?
August 9th, 2014 at 8:45 am
Was that Josh or Luke running the offense?
August 9th, 2014 at 8:48 am
All I can say it was the first preseason game with the NEW coaching staff lots of new players. They practiced a bit over a week in training camp. They are learning new systems and how to play next to each other. It takes some time to gel. For those of you that were thing Superbowl like Herm Edwards think your drinking the spiked kool aide. McCown didn’t look good Glennon didn’t look good line didn’t even come close to looking good but now there is film out against another team to correct problems. I knew we take are lumps in the beginning. Some of you think we were going to show all our cards on offense sorry not going to happen in preseason. We will be vanilla which we were last night. Start judging game one of the real season.
August 9th, 2014 at 8:51 am
I don’t believe much in this “MGM” bs that is spouted on this site. Its just a way the Joe’s use to rag on a sub group of the fan base. It does get people arguing and adds some color to the site. As for me, I don’t give a crap which QB starts as long as they are the best man for the job. Its a given the O’line was complete crap but what stands out to me is that McCown looked rattled from the very first series. Rattled QB = Turnovers. Glennon handled the kaos much better. Glennon did have a whole year of dealing with a crappy oline last year. If McCown doesn’t get a lot better real soon, he will be back holding a clipboard. If they don’t fix the oline it wont matter anyway. God I hope we don’t go back to a team that if we win, we win 9-6. That is boring as crap, and looses early in the playoffs
August 9th, 2014 at 8:54 am
my wife is a hot moroccan woman
and she know I love the Bucs like a crazy person
she laughs at me because we always lose
she HATED the uniforms last night
she said the old ones were way better
I think she may be right
August 9th, 2014 at 9:03 am
Good grief!!!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Bunch of chicken littles. I think some of you live for something to gripe about. Yes, the o-line was exactly what we thought it was. No revelations here but to absolutely dump on both of our QBs because of the way our o-line played is completely over the top. No one can perform admirably under that kind of duress. So put the blame where it really should be and not on the guys who were trying their best to make things happen.
Even if McCown had tried to run with the ball after every jail break rush without success, most of you, would still blame it on him. Blaming the QB for the offensive lines inability to block is insane. Put any pro bowl QB in there last night and they would have all struggled. Everyone who bitches about Glennon tossing short passes is silly. When you don’t have the time to wait for your receivers to get open deep it is the only play for him to make.
August 9th, 2014 at 9:08 am
The guy has been on 9 different teams in 12 years for a reason.
August 9th, 2014 at 9:15 am
He had five good games against mostly crappy defensive teams and all of a sudden he’s some sort of find.
He throws the ball with poor mechanics and once defenses are cued on him any fruity throw like the one yesterday is going to be picked off.
Glennon had some nice looking throws at first, then went right back into his bad mechanics too. That’s fine for hitting the checkdown I guess.
If you can’t master mechanics, you’ll never be franchise let alone elite.
August 9th, 2014 at 9:52 am
So Bortles performance against our 2nd and 3rds was amazing, yet glennon’s similar numbers, with the exception of a td were awful because they were against 2nd and 3rds? Honestly, they both were really blah.
August 9th, 2014 at 10:20 am
If you thought we didnt have a QB after last season with Glennon …well than you should still think we dont have a QB …McCown looks just like he has for the past 10 years crappy minus 4 games last year … this Gannon , Warner talk is insane ..
August 9th, 2014 at 10:37 am
@ DallasBuc
Why? You wish to defend McCown or the O-line? The Bucs have exactly what the fans thought from both. McCown just didn’t look near as bad as the O-line. That doesn’t mean he looked good. But in truth, compared to the play (or lack thereof) of the O-line, EVERYONE else looked like Pro Bowl material. They were that bad. It was like NFL Waiter tryouts.
Guard:” Right this way folks. Quarterback for two?. My name is Mud, and I’ll be your server this evening.”
Even if the O-line had played flawlessly, McCown would have still looked like… McCown. Get some protection for him and he’ll surprise you by getting back to himself… average.
Look on the bright side. Both McCown and Glennon have touchdown passes in their first ‘Lovie Smith’ Game. :^)