Bucs Retain 29 Schiano Men; Only 24 New Bodies
August 30th, 2014
In what would have been a surprising thought in January, Tampa Bay’s initial 53-man roster only includes 24 bodies new to the organization.
Andy Reid, by comparison, had 30 fresh faces to start last season in Kansas City, the year he was hired to overhaul a two-win club.
It’s almost amazing that defense-first Lovie Smith has 17 returning Schiano men on his defense. And some fans think former rockstar general manager Mark Dominik left a bare cupboard. Hah!
Of course, more roster changes will come, as the current bench players represent a very fluid situation.
But for now, most Buccaneers have ties to the former regime.
August 30th, 2014 at 7:30 pm
Lovie really seemed to like a load of Dominik practice squad thefts and waiver wire pickups over the last two years.
Will Lovie win with Schiano’s defense?
August 30th, 2014 at 7:34 pm
Lovie will win with Leslie Frazier and his defense.
Schiano has an eye for players.
August 30th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
Interesting-Instead of releasing Ronald Talley and Major Wright, the team placed the duo on injured reserve.
August 30th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
Pop star is no longer employed as a GM for a reason.
August 30th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
I wish Coach Schiano well. He for sure had a good eye for talent.
August 30th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
@fanofbucs. You’re right Shiano did have a eye for players and that swung both ways. He knew Feeman wasn’t the real deal immediately. But to be a NFL coach you have to win sooner than later. I’m sure Shiano learned a lot from his coaching days in Tampa. He’ll be back coaching. But that’s the past and I’m stoked for the season opener! Go Bucs!
August 30th, 2014 at 7:44 pm
Dominik will be in the league again soon. Good reputation after his first season.
August 30th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
Schiano would make one hell of a personnel man for an NFL team. No doubt. But just keep him away…far away…from the head coach’s desk and all will be well with your team.
August 30th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
Schiano was’nt perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but he was railroaded out of here. Hell, look at the past, worse Buc head coaches stayed around longer than two years.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
I am blown away by the Schiano love-fest going on here. This is the same Schiano who loved his victory formation attack, right? The same one who helped wreak “Franchise QB” nimble brain Freeman? The amazing personnel guy who let 3 DL go be productive on other NFL teams while the Bucs Schiano coached could not buy a sack; in particular Bennett who had 8.5 sacks in a reserve role, while at the same time he named Cheeseburger Bowers as a starter only to give up on him at the end of the season bc Cheeseburger was so awful??? WOW LMAO
August 30th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
Schiano didn’t get a fair opportunity. You people lynched the wrong guy. You people ran Gruden out. Makes one wonder about your football IQ. And some make a good living lynching the wrong people.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:19 pm
Lovie is going to make Schiano look like a football genius. Mark my words! Take a screenshot.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
I agree Gruden was run out of here, and that was a terrible mistake.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:29 pm
Goodbye Shiano. Hope you sold your house.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:30 pm
The people on here on give credit to Schiano because they can’t say the pop star did well. What I was surprised at is the first four draft picks in 2011 made it too. Those weren’t Schianos picks. Dominik was better than a many of the posters on here want to admit. Remember they all miss but L&L have kept ALL of the first four rounds of draft picks since in 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014 That’s three coaching staffs ago.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
@DB55 Says:
“Lovie is going to make Schiano look like a football genius…”
I had to read that 3 times bc I was in disbelief as to what you were claiming. If Schiano is so good, why in he not coaching at any level in the NFL? If he is so good, why did he go 0-8 in his SECOND season? Lovie went 11-5 in his 2nd season and was NFC Champion in his 3rd. Going to the SB with the likes of Rex Grossman as QB.
I don’t like all the things Lovie has done (in particular with the Oline), but he is light years ahead of Schiano in coaching acumen. In 9 years as CHI HC, Lovie never had a record as bad as 4-12.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
“Only 24 new bodies” – nearly half the team gone in one year. That’s a ton, just because Reid kept even fewer in KC last year is hardly a case that the Rockstar left the cupboard full.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
I never said schiano was good!
August 30th, 2014 at 8:37 pm
@Jon – L&L will remain in my favor until they eclipse the Revis catastrophe, lol. Or go out and sign an Eric Wright, Albert Haynesworth, or Derrick Ward.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
@Jon Says:
“…Dominik was better than a many of the posters on here want to admit. Remember they all miss but L&L have kept ALL of the first four rounds of draft picks since in 2011, 2012, 2013…”
Exactly. And as Joe points out: “It’s almost amazing that defense-first Lovie Smith has 17 returning Schiano men on his defense.” And who will likely be the starters on D will be 7-9 (out of 11 starters) of Doms players. Not bad.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:46 pm
Gawd- some of you are so dang dumb.
Schiano? Lmao- he was a joke around the league. Other teams were often seen laughing at Schiano’s play calling
Schiano was the single most ignorant coach ever hired by The Bucs.
The Offensive and Defensive schemes he tried to implement, would be considered to basic by most large High schools.
He didn’t”discover” Tim Wright. The idiot tried to run an NFL offense, that didn’t utilize a TE or Slot WR.
After losing 8 games in a row or so- the clueless coach decided meybe a TE was a good idea.
His rep was so bad, he could only get his Ex players to come play for him.
Wright had Talent. Also teams weren’t used to The lil Schiano using a TE.
That idiot didn’t discover anything, except that he was in over his head.
You must have just moved here Orca.
Hard to imagine someone watched this idiot Circus- then making a statement like that.
At 0-9, you aren’t “discovering”. You are drowning- and latched on to it in desperation.
They was absolutely nothing that Schiano did here- that warrants any praise. He was a huge embarrassment- and a waste of two years of Gerald McCoys career- which is damn unforgivable!!
Schiano men? Like McCoy, they are more likely Raheem men.
And having to replace over half the team doesn’t mean Dominick did something right! He means, after 6 years on the job- most of his players- like Dom- sucked.
Dom couldn’t build a team in 6 years, that could play .500 ball. You are, who your record says you are- LOSER !!!
August 30th, 2014 at 8:50 pm
I bet if you looked at the Packers roster last year to this year they have 20 new players. That’s the league, so when a new coach comes in your would have expected more turnover with all the money they spent and draft picks they got in trades of zuttah or Williams. I still think I’d rather have kept revis than Verne and m Johnson. So ready to watch real games.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
Rebuilding. Whether they want to call it that or admit it. They know it and Buc fans you know it too. Can’t wait for next Sunday. Go bucs!
August 30th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
To begin with, it’s a very interesting roster. I agree with many by saying Coach Schiano had a great eye for talent and he also knew Freeman was a “big bust” but had to wait it out and let him implode. Schiano also brought discipline back to the organization and “rid the franchise” of some real problem players and tried to start over. His biggest mistakes were to select two coordinators that could not get the job done with the talented players they had to work with!!!
Great start for Coach Lovie Smith, however, he had a great base to build on. Where are all the “experts” that cut Bowers weeks ago?
August 30th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
Lovie and Licht have torn this crappy team apart, and rebuilt it.
We are on the edge, after ten years, of actually having a good team. I don’t need for the season to start- you can look at this team, and tell it will succeed. Meybe not playoffs this year- but definitely by next year.
Just like you could look at Dom’s and Schianos team- and tell it was a turd- as I predicted prior to the season
This team is a 9-7 easy. If I’m off- then they’ll win more, not less.
I’m being conservative.
We are on the brink of respectability- yet there are knuckleheads here- trying to give credit to the idiots that made us laughing stocks around the country.
What’s wrong with you people.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
So u think 24 new players isnt a lot?
August 30th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
Phase 1 drama is over.
Phase 2 drama begins now!
Should be an interesting week coming up.
August 30th, 2014 at 8:57 pm
You think schiano lied , ask players about your dear chucky he lied In their face and many didn’t true a word he said. That mostly happened after the first year. I got that from players.
August 30th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
Tim, you must be pretty young. Richard Williamson was the least prepared coach ever hired by the Bucs. Only lasted one season. So many people want to make extreme statements for some reason saying Schiano worst coach ever, Dominik worst GM ever. Ridiculous. There truly is not much that separates success from failure in the NFL. Personally, I think Schiano’s x and o were probably not right but his biggest problem was probably his personality. Dominik would have looked much better with a better head coach.
August 30th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
Schiano had a decent eye for football players but his X’s and O’s were way way way way off base. He also chose awful coordinators.
August 30th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Harry Says:
August 30th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
@DB55 Says:
“Lovie is going to make Schiano look like a football genius…”
I had to read that 3 times bc I was in disbelief as to what you were claiming. If Schiano is so good, why in he not coaching at any level in the NFL?
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Harry,
C’mon man. If you were being paid $9 million to not work for the next three years, would you be looking for a job?
August 30th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
Anyway…the roster looks strong, practice squad to come…
August 30th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Saints don’t have a kicker on their 53 man roster. I would think there’s a good chance Connor Barth may be heading that way. Saints are certainly familiar with him.
August 30th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
You guys are Funny. Who G’sAF about what Schiano “was” or “is” or “may be”.
He IS NOT a Buc anymore and we are only a week away from toe touching Leather in Raymond James. Give the bs a rest guys. Get ready for BucBall
August 30th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
there were some quality players cut by other teams today. i would be surprised if at least a couple of them didn’t make the Bucs’ roster. The number “24” could rise quickly.
August 30th, 2014 at 10:35 pm
I can’t profess to know what’s on the coaches minds, but if I were to take a guess, I would think that they have to wait until week 1 to put Charles Sims on IR to return. At that point they could bring Solomon Patton up from the PS where I assume he will go Sunday after 12pm.
There are other alternatives out there though and they may have their eye on another speedy replacement. The Redskins cut Lache Seastrunk, the kid that took the swing pass for 80 yds in the last preseason game. Wouldn’t bother me at all if they brought him in. My hunch though is that we will see Solomon Patton back in a Buc uniform!
August 30th, 2014 at 10:59 pm
Nope- I was a kid, but my butt was sitting on one those damn branches at the old Sombrero- season one.
And when did all the Richard Williamsonson Hate start. He was actually pretty well liked at the time.
Ray Perkins was flat stupid, and a jackass on top of it
But he at least knew a little bit about football.
Schiano was a joke around the league. He was barely competent to coach a 5A high school.
What kind of fool comes out and say” tight end and Slot Reciever aren’t positions we really use in this offense!
Lmao.
After 9 straight loses- he finally allowed a little input from his co-ordinators, who knew 10 times more about football than that idiot.
August 30th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
Ok Famous lets close this out.
August 30th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
Time 2 knock these cats under the table.
August 30th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
C’mon State!!!
August 30th, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Sims will go on ir Tuesday.
As to the turnover, I couldn’t care less about the number on the 53. How many new starters on the 22?
QB, #2 & #3 WR, TE, LG, LT , C, RG, LDE, RDE, NT, SLB, LCB, NCB. Plus a new kicker. Half, or more, of the starters are new. Maybe 3 running starters on offense (Martin, Jackson, Dotson). One returning D-lineman (GMC). Where were we had last year? Yeah, offense and pressure up front. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Good job L&L!
August 30th, 2014 at 11:14 pm
4 quarters baby!!!
August 30th, 2014 at 11:14 pm
YESSSSSSS!!!!!!
August 30th, 2014 at 11:16 pm
Charles Johnson is the new Derrick Ward! Awful scouting awful signing he’s a 3 sack a year player nothing more
August 30th, 2014 at 11:24 pm
NOW THAT’S HOW YOU UP END A DUDE…LOL
August 30th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
BOOM !!! NAH, HE DOESN’T LOOK NOTHING LIKE FREEMAN.
August 30th, 2014 at 11:32 pm
This Walsh kid has heart
August 30th, 2014 at 11:49 pm
Joe specifically put up a thread for college football comments, so why are you wasting our damn time on this post?
August 30th, 2014 at 11:56 pm
Because I can
August 31st, 2014 at 12:38 am
GreatStuff Says:
August 30th, 2014 at 11:16 pm
First, the name is Michael Johnson.
Second, don’t you think it makes sense to reserve such judgement until some evidence in real games instead of glorified practices? I’m sure your personal scouting is superior to Licht and the Bucs’ front office though…
August 31st, 2014 at 12:52 am
@luvmybucs I used to think that Harry was the biggest ass on this site but your juvenile antics tonight can not be topped. Congratulations for letting us see how bright you are. When you can’t win a debate try to cover the others over with babble.
August 31st, 2014 at 1:18 am
Still cant believe they cut Patton. To me that is a huge mistake. Been high on that kid since before the draft because he would make a good return man.
Are you sure you got it right Joe?
August 31st, 2014 at 1:23 am
If you would have told me last week that he would be part of the cuts, I would have said bull shiit.
August 31st, 2014 at 2:40 am
Schiano did have an eye for talent, even I have to admit that and i hated the guy. To say we lynched him and Gruden out of Tampa is absurd though. The only talented coaching staff Tampa has ever really seen was the Dungy Staff. no other head coach before or after him went on to head coach again.
Gruden is still sitting on TV showering every player with his man crush quotes. Wyche is still sitting on NFL network, Raheem Morris is the DB coach for a crappy Redskins defense (sorry D.C.), and Schiano is a consultant for his “life partner” Belichik.
Please name me one person from any of those coaching tree’s even remotely having success after their stints in Tampa? the only ones i can name all came out from under Dungy, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin, Herm Edwards, Rod Merinelli, etc. So please don’t act like Tampa bay fans drove good coaches from this team. They did it to themselves putting a poor product on the field.
August 31st, 2014 at 5:25 am
The ultimate afront will be when Lovie takes the same guys Schiano lost 21 games with over the past two seasons.
What nutjobs some of you are – Lovie replaced a bolt-hole…not a bolt…the hole the missing bolt would go into.
Some of you clingers are getting pretty sad. You may want to give it up, the more you whine, the more we’re laughing.
At you, not him. He’s got the only job he can handle – NOT being a head coach in the NFL.
Very stoked to watch a real coach and a real GM fire this mather UP!!
August 31st, 2014 at 5:26 am
The ultimate afront will be when Lovie wins with the same guys Schiano lost 21 games with over the past two seasons.
What nutjobs some of you are – Lovie replaced a bolt-hole…not a bolt…the hole the missing bolt would go into.
Some of you clingers are getting pretty sad. You may want to give it up, the more you whine, the more we’re laughing.
At you, not him. He’s got the only job he can handle – NOT being a head coach in the NFL.
Very stoked to watch a real coach and a real GM fire this mather UP!!
August 31st, 2014 at 5:34 am
Gruden will coach again – he’s had multiple offers – he’s relaxing for the first time since he began coaching. Also, his offensive line & position coaches seemed to be doing pretty well.
Not so for the guy that replaced him, nor the guy that replaced him…
For the life of me I don’t get this argument? You don’t have to minimize the only coach to win a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay just to make Tony or Lovie look better. All three are/were excellent coaches. You don’t win consistently in the NFL, on two different teams, in two different conferences…if you’re not an elite coach. And for good measure, try asking Warren Sapp or Brad Johnson what they thought of Gruden.
Now, can we get back to talking about the NEXT head coach to win a Super Bowl in Tampa?
August 31st, 2014 at 8:27 am
So Dom wasn’t the worst judge of NFL talent in the league? Who ever thought he was…he just wasn’t nearly average.
Regarding Shiano’s ability to coach up a winning team…apparently so. But he is water under the bridge, and his stamp on the team won’t last nearly as long as Doms.
August 31st, 2014 at 8:30 am
Shiano…apparently he couldn’t coach up a winning team. And Dom obviously wasn’t a “rock star”, unless the “rock” reference is in regard to trying to swim with one on your back.
August 31st, 2014 at 8:42 am
I think Schiano’s got a great chin. Very HC-like.
August 31st, 2014 at 9:12 am
Biggest mistake Dominik made was not being able to close the deal with Chip Kelly.
August 31st, 2014 at 9:57 am
The hatred of both Schiano and Glennon by some of you nitwits is perplexing. The fact that Lovie has kept over half the guys Schiano brought in and not only kept Glennon on the roster but is viewing him as the future franchise QB speaks volumes even if some misguided types still want to demonize both men.
August 31st, 2014 at 10:18 am
Schiano wasn’t a bad guy and was a good evaluator of talent. Rutgers, hardly a football powerhouse, has around 20 players in the pros. Like him or hate him, one of the intangibles that he did bring was discipline back to the team. Remember how chaotic those years with Morris were? His style and perhaps it was the extreme change in disciplinary tactics had him doomed from the beginning. Plus, some college coaches just never succeed at the HC level in the pros.
August 31st, 2014 at 11:48 am
the SuperBowl bound Denver Broncos have 23 new faces on their roster…I don’t think you can read too much into the 24 new roster members for the Bucs… We either carry over plenty of talent… or we should have churned a lot more…. we’ll find out next week.
August 31st, 2014 at 1:10 pm
Look Schiano was not a great coach in terms of in game adjustments, namely he had none. But there were many games in his tenure the Bucs started well and just didn’t finish. Bad in game coach. But he was a very good talent evaluator. Should have just taken away coaching duties and made him director of player personel instead.
August 31st, 2014 at 1:20 pm
It’s like you guys don’t realize you’re trying to make your mancrush for Schiano appear like actual intelligent analysis.
…hmmm, so Lovie’s going to win because of the hidden and under-appreciated ability to evaluate personnel (that in reality were signed by Mark Dominic)…
…where have I heard THAT before?
Oh yeah, like when Sam Wyche drafted Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, and John Lynch (not to mention Trent Dilfer – QB that led Baltimore to their 1st Super Bowl), etc.
…does anybody believe Tony Dungy was only successful because of the players Sam Wyche drafted (especially when Sam couldn’t win with them)?
…or, how about the myth that Jon Gruden only won with Tony Dungy’s personnel…that one might fly..until you consider that Gruden won the only Super Bowl in Buccaneer hifstory with a back-up QB and a patchwork offensive line..folks making THAT argument forget that by THAT logic Gruden won with BOTH Super Bowl teams in 2002…because Bill Callahan only won 11 games because of the personnel that Jon Gruden left him in Oakland.
See, it takes a really good coach to take the best players in the world and come up with the right offensive & defensive scheme that unlocks and maximizes the potential of his roster.
Wyche, Dungy (in Tampa), Morris and Schiano DON’T have that ability. They have the BASIC ability to assemble talent – but they were either too reliant on gimmicks, too stubborn & resistant to change, too unprepared, or too much of a fascist to do the ONE thing NFL head coaches are hired to do…WIN FOOTBALL GAMES.
You moronic fans who are trying to sound intelligent by taking a conversation someplace you’re SURE it’s never been…need to look beyond your own era. This has ALL happened before. Your idiotic analysis has been considered and found to be ridiculously stupid.
As personnel analysis goes: Sam “five-dash-two” Wyche was better than Greg “I’m an an idiot for cannibalizing my own team” Schiano – who shouldn’t really even be mentioned in the same sentence as Sam.
So, now that the balloon of personnel prowess has been burst. Please stop talking, writing, sucking up, or anything else you’re doing to sound intelligent.
It’s not working.
August 31st, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I’m gonna keep this short and sweet. HC’s need at least 3yrs to prove themselves. Yes I’m talking new HCs. I understand that this is an opinionated site, but people like White Tiger are the actual moronic individuals. See everything I’ve read here are talking about Schiano’s talent seeing skills and you took it to a completely different level sir. Which means you either suffer from little man syndrome or you just like to hear yourself talk…. Either way, it really doesn’t matter what you think. If you know as much as you seem to think you know…. Well maybe you should be a HC or a GM. Because in your little world, you know know best.
August 31st, 2014 at 1:53 pm
Schiano was not the worst coach in Bucs’ history. That would go to Richard Williamson, some fans are to young to remember him. Leeman bennett might tie Schiano for 2nd place. I think Schiano was a little better that leeman.
August 31st, 2014 at 1:58 pm
Answer me this….. What did Gruden do after he helped us win our 1st SB? Not much to speak of! I liked Gruden, but the mountain you seem to put him on is unreal! A backup QB you say? Get your facts straight before you speak so you don’t look stupid. Brad was a starter for several teams. Was a starter before he landed in Tampa. Please, besides early in his career….. When was he a backup QB? I can answer that. Can You?
August 31st, 2014 at 10:41 pm
Mike – Everything after “tell me what Gruden did after he helped us win our SUPER BOWL…”
Because, that sentence is actually the definition of moronic. Tell me again how many Super Bowls we’ve won, I forget…
…and since you obviously didn’t read it, I’ll say it again. Giving that BOLT-HOLE any credit for the success Lovie might have requires that you give Sam Wyche the credit for Tony Dungy’s success.
…and YOUR logic also requires you acknowledge that Jon Gruden ‘helped’ BOTH teams reach the 2002 Super Bowl.
This is your logic, I’m just showing you how it plays out.
August 31st, 2014 at 11:02 pm
In my opinion, the WORST coach in franchise history was Ray Perkins. He was convinced that his idiocy was strategy. He was thin-skinned, vindictive, manipulative and self-destructive…sound familiar?
Schiano is a close second – for the same reasons.
Richard Williamson wasn’t a choice he was a consolation – he was unprepared because he was an interim after Perkins’ midseason termination.
Leeman Bennet was just lost. He was Hugh Culverhouse mistake we all found out about at the last minute, like a slow-motion accident unfolding from the passengers vantage point. Yes, he was miserable, but what could anyone expect from a guy that was selling RV’s just before the Bucs hired him?