The Countdown: Worst 20 Buccaneers Of The Past 10 Years — No. 13
July 16th, 2014
Endless Top-Whatever lists across the Internet got Joe thinking of the Buccaneers’ drought since their Super Bowl glory. Not a playoff victory since! And that motivated Joe to rank the 20 worst Buccaneers of the past 10 years.
Serious deliberations went into this at JoeBucsFan.com world headquarters.
Beers bottles were thrown. Game film came out. Arguments ensued. Chants of Sabby from wild interns were quieted by Joe. There was even an all-night screaming session where a top intern stood on a table and repeatedly yelled, “Put the damn Rockstar on the list!!” Joe had to give the poor kid a Hooters Calendar just to calm him.
Primary consideration was given to expectations for a player combined with on-field performance. Off-field behavior was a factor, and players were not punished for injuries.
No. 13 — defensive tackle Dre Moore (2008-2009)
Personnel gurus Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden (NOT!) traded up with Lovie Smith and the Chicago Bears to snatch Dre Moore in the fourth round of the 2008 draft.
Moore wasn’t Myron Lewis bad, but he was darn close. Simply stated, Moore really never showed a glimpse of NFL talent. He was cut after his first Bucs training camp, the entire NFL passed on him, and then the Bucs re-signed him to their practice squad. That’s a rare occurrence for a mid-fourth-round pick.
In 2009, after the Bucs gutted their team for the new Raheem regime, Moore made the Tampa Bay squad but couldn’t win a starting job from dreadful Ryan Sims, and Moore’s little bit of reserve game action was enough to get him booted.
The Jaguars put him on their practice squad in 2010, and then Moore was out of the league.
Joe remembers nearly driving off the road in the spring of 2009, while hearing Pewter Report writer Scott Reynolds pimping the virtues of Moore as part of a discussion of how Monte Kiffin should have been more forward thinking in letting rookies take the field. Joe’s sure glad Kiffin didn’t soil the Buccaneers’ top-10-ranked, 2008 defense by playing Moore.
No. 14 — Kevin Ogletree No. 15 – Sean Mahan No. 16 — Da’Quan Bowers No. 17 — Daniel Te’o-Nesheim No. 18 — Kyle Moore No. 19 – Jeremy Truebood No. 20 – Michael ClaytonThe Countdown: Worst 20 Buccaneers Of The Past 10 Years will run once or twice daily until No. 1 is revealed on Thursday, July 24.
July 16th, 2014 at 10:08 am
Joe
Since Gruden was supposedly an offensive mind, what was the best pick he ever took on offensive with the Bucs?
The trading up at the time didn’t make sense and it still doesn’t.
July 16th, 2014 at 10:21 am
i forgot about him. This top 10 is going to be ugly
July 16th, 2014 at 10:23 am
Have to give it up to Joe for taking this list seriously and putting in the effort. It’s a refreshing change of direction from all the other lists out there.
Agree the top 10 will be ugly
July 16th, 2014 at 10:50 am
Joe,
Once finished with this, do you plan to follow with a list of your top 20 greatest Bucs as well?
July 16th, 2014 at 11:27 am
Sorry off topic but Greg Hardy was found guilty of domestic violence…that would help if he was suspended for week one!
July 16th, 2014 at 11:29 am
Is there a worse GM trifecta than McKay, Allen and Dominik?
July 16th, 2014 at 11:33 am
Garbo!!!
July 16th, 2014 at 11:40 am
I am anxiously awaiting the distinguished # 1 choice – Sabby???
Doubtful, at least he played. Probably shouldn’t have, but he did. Some of these guys are really obscure. Joe and staff are doing a bang up job.
July 16th, 2014 at 11:41 am
No. Why? Everybody and their brother is doing that or has done that.
July 16th, 2014 at 11:42 am
Theodore, maybe at 56 years old my mind is not what it used to be, but I always like McKay. I thought he was admirable. He just wouldn’t give Chucky control, so he lost out. IMO
July 16th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Two different animals. Just because you are an X’s and O’s wizard doesn’t mean you are any good at college talent evaluation.
The closest good draft pick Chucky had was Davin Joseph, ironically not a skills position guy.
July 16th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Freeman for #1!
July 16th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
Theodore Says
“Is there a worse GM trifecta than McKay, Allen and Dominik?”
Actually, let’s look at that assumption.
Rich McKay
A great defensive talent evaluator, especially in free agency. As a salary cap manager, he did ‘okay’. He was able to push cap hell back nearly 8 years while maintaining most of a very good team. But you can only rob Peter to pay Paul just so long, so eventually it caught up with him.
Truthfully? I would take McKay over half the guys out there, including Licht (so far) and Dominick.
Bruce Allen
He ruled the nest at a time when a lockout was looming, while having to deal with the cap mess that McKay quit to avoid. Was he a big spender? No. But I think there were valid (if not good) reasons for it. Spending would have given players a more powerful foundation during a looming lockout. He was playing it smart, as I imagine most GMs were trying to do at the time, with the exceptions of the Eagles, Redskins and Cowboys.
He was a horrible talent evaluator though, and did not do well with trades.
Mark Dominick
When it came to making trades and structuring contracts, Mark was the best I’ve ever seen with any team. He could get a second rounder for nobody talent. He structured the Revis contract so that he could be cut during any off season and would not hurt us for years to come.
He wasn’t always good at contracts. We have to keep in mind that he was a Rookie GM at the same time Morris was a Rookie Head Coach.
Dominick sucked…absolutely sucked at talent evaluation. He rarely hit gold, maybe once per draft…until Schiano came along.
So all in all? Rich McKay was much better at talent, Bruce Allen much better at cap management, and Dominick much better at trades. If Licht combines all those qualities, we’ll be in good hands.
We won’t know until a year or two from now just how good Licht is.
July 16th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
Honestly? If Schiano could have stayed to lead the scout department I would have loved it, but that would be unrealistic.
July 16th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
On topic, Dre Moore never made sense to me. Tampa training camps are harsh, and he failed to handle his very first one because of the heat.
I never felt Tampa was a team that should have big defensive guys. Small to medium and fast….that’s where our bread and butter lies.
July 16th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
First time long time – enjoy everyone’s comments – some freaking hilarious!! High second rough pick Dexter “duck and slide” Jackson has to be #1. Kid had some serious speed that you could measure by the length of the skid marks he left as he slid out of bounds.
July 16th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
I wonder where glennon will fall on this list
July 16th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
@ buccaneer bonzai
If schiano were head of scouting department, he would have labeled daquan bowers a double digit sack man this season… again.
July 16th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Maybe my history is off, but I remember McKay being god awful at drafting. WRs picked high and busts, two #1s picks for Keyshawn, two #1s for Walker, Dunn picked too high imo. I just don’t think he ever got the draft.
July 16th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
Theodore:
People seem to forget it was Sam Wyche who drafted Derrick Brooks and Warren Sapp.
July 16th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
Derrick Brooks at #12. I mean seriously what did that guy ever do.
July 16th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
who was that right tackle we had before Trueblood, who could guarantee a false start penalty?
He didn’t get into the violent actions like Trueblood.
July 16th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
Kenyatta Walker.
July 16th, 2014 at 4:54 pm
Buc89 Says
@ buccaneer bonzai
“If schiano were head of scouting department, he would have labeled daquan bowers a double digit sack man this season… again.”
Schiano said that in an effort to inspire Bowers. He knew it was unlikely.
July 17th, 2014 at 10:32 am
Dre Moore was a Combine stud… running in the 4.8 range at 300+ lbs and doing well on the bench… his biggest issue was conditioning. He was fat, he didn’t work hard, and it showed when he took the field. What didn’t show was the 4.8 speed and strength, he was terrible, a terrible waste of talent.
July 17th, 2014 at 10:35 am
“You don’t pump weights on the 50-yard line.” — Warren Sapp.