Coach: Glennon “Arm Strength Is Good, Above Average”
June 3rd, 2014
Glennon’s QB Coach weighs in
One man’s “cannon” is another man’s “good, above average” arm.
Life is about interpretation, for sure.
Before players reported to camp in early April, Bucs quarterbacks coach Marcus Arroyo told Joe he couldn’t wait to get Mike Gelnnon on the field to show him a few technique adjustments that likely would help Glennon immediately, based on Glennon’s 2013 game film.
Mission accomplished? Arroyo wasn’t offering Joe details on that today. But Arroyo told Joe today that Glennon is “exactly” what Bucs coaches hoped he would be before players arrived in early April.
Film of Glennon’s quick release, strong arm and good “body language” of a leader and learner, Arroyo said, translated onto the practice fields and into the meeting rooms of the new regime.
Pressed for specifics, Arroyo stopped short of saying Glennon has the “cannon” general manager Jason Licht and center Evan Dietrich-Smith have referenced.
“On the field, the stuff that sticks out obviously on tape that’s easiest is the way he can make decisions with the ball. He’s obviously youthful in his experience in the NFL, but he’s got some things that we can build on that are really special,” Arroyo said. “I think his arm strength is good, above average, and he’s able to put the ball in tight spaces. He’s got quick release. For a long lever guy, sometimes that’s tough. But he does.”
Yes, the Bucs love their backup quarterback. A strong backup is somewhat of a rarity in the NFL, and the Bucs have a good one.
June 3rd, 2014 at 2:50 pm
I agree with Arroyo. and I guess its not just me (NOT A QB GURU BY ANY MEANS), but watching MG8′s throwing motion is a breath of fresh air compared to what we’ve had here in TB in recent years. For a 10 ft QB, his motion is very compact and quick and looks the same every throw (at least his upper body). He shows good anticipation and the throws are damn near perfect spirals every time, especially in the short to intermediate routes. I think he may be perfect for tedford’s offense considering his short-intermediate prowess. I agree that receivers had to adjust to underthrown passes at times. I think dude tries to drop it in a basket a lot of times showing too much touch and it causes many underthrows.
I think if the Bucs had to depend on him to win a couple of games, he could do it. If we had to depend on him to take us all the way, without a solid defense, it would be impossible. BUT With the reincarnation of the TAMPA 2, I think winning would be a little easier for him in this system because he takes care of the football. Ideal backup, but as for a starter MG8 is shooting par or slightly below.
REMEMBER, Lovie said he was the “QB of the future”, notice he didn’t say starter of the future. Perhaps he’s the backup of the future, which is totally fine with me.
June 3rd, 2014 at 2:50 pm
Just woke up. Groundhog Day again.
I’ve never seen so much written about a man’s appendage!
June 3rd, 2014 at 2:53 pm
@lightnightbuc…. Agreed. Makes me breathe a little easier when I hear positive things about “the future” though
June 3rd, 2014 at 3:11 pm
I think I am going to get a bumper sticker with the quote of:
“Our football intelligence is better than yours” from our GM to a local sports media pundit, regarding the Glennon arm strength subject.
LMAO!!!
June 3rd, 2014 at 3:38 pm
Arroyo, Lovie and Tedford are subtly preparing the ground for an opening day Mike Glennon start. Stay tuned.
June 3rd, 2014 at 3:43 pm
Well, what if there is no tomorrow? There wasn’t one today.
June 3rd, 2014 at 4:02 pm
He will only get better.
June 3rd, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Mike Glennon is to JBF.com what Tim Tebow is to ESPN.
June 3rd, 2014 at 4:26 pm
Does it really matter if one guy says above average and another says cannon?
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June 3rd, 2014 at 4:55 pm
The Future.
June 3rd, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Freeman had a cannon. It’s too bad he pointed it at his own head.
June 3rd, 2014 at 5:26 pm
The jury is still out on Glennon, though it seems like plenty of people on both sides of the argument have already reached a verdict. Wouldn’t it be funny if Glennon turned out to be not just good but great. You know, like Hall of Fame great, and Lovie and Licht became the beneficiaries of the drafting prowess of Mark Dominic and Greg Schiano. Remember, Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks were drafted in Sam Wyche’s last year with the Bucs. (And John Lynch 2 seasons before that).
June 3rd, 2014 at 5:29 pm
didn’t tedford protege kyle boller throw balls from his knees on the 50 yard line through the uprights to help solidify his 1st round pick credentials? didn’t help him be a long-term starter in the NFL. i’ve seen brad johnson and jeff garcia thrive in the NFL, my lesson from that is what goes on above the shoulders almost always trumps what goes on below the shoulders for a QB. heck, the only nice things you could say about tom brady until he got onto the field on sundays were “quick release” and “hard worker”. right coach right scheme right attitude are a more powerful combo than any mix of size and arm strength. right, jamarcus russell?
June 3rd, 2014 at 6:23 pm
First time I’ve ever heard above average, when described versus elite athletes (all nfl qbs are) being framed as a negative.
June 3rd, 2014 at 6:47 pm
Johnny would be 4th string if he were here!! Thank goodness Lovefest didn’t listen to that bird chirping for Manzie’s panties!!
June 3rd, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Joe treats Glennon like a rich blonde teenager talks about the other rich blonde girl that she hates. Any little thing they can find to try to trash them. Just like the girls on “White Chicks.” If… Nay, When Glennon is named the week 1 starter, he’s going to have a B.F.!!
June 3rd, 2014 at 7:58 pm
Actually, as tall is Glennon is (really 6’7 1/8″-not 6’6″) he has relatively short arms. They were measured in at a shade over 33″ at the Combine. Surely not short arms for a normal sized player, but for a very tall guy (most of it seems to be the extra vertebrate in his neck, instead of C1-C7, he’s got a C-8 and C-9) his arms are on the short side.
June 3rd, 2014 at 7:58 pm
OK now who am I supposed to believe about Glennon’s release and decision making…the QB coach who is on record saying the release is quick and the decision making good or a couple posters on JBF (you know who you are) that insist Glennon has a painfully slow release and poor decision making with his reads!?!? Pro position coach or part-time bloggers, I just don’t know who to trust on this issue?
June 3rd, 2014 at 8:00 pm
Oh yeah and let’s not forget the arm strength argument, as pointed out MANY times by a few here Glennon posted the slowest speed on his Combine throws. Yup bloggers know best 🙂
June 3rd, 2014 at 9:42 pm
“the reincarnation of the TAMPA 2”
Man that sounds good, BuccaKnight!
I’m good with Glennon taking a year under McCown to learn. My problem is there should be equal competion for that backup role.
I don’t like Glennon being handed the starting role next year without earning it by competing against an equally talented young QB. I’m fine with him getting a fair shot. But I’m not fine with putting all our future eggs in one basket.
June 3rd, 2014 at 9:56 pm
Don’t care about the cannon as much as I care about durability and accuracy…looks like he never lifted weights in his life. Please feed this dude
June 3rd, 2014 at 10:06 pm
Arm Strength debate aside, Mike Glennon does have some talent. If they can bring out a BETTER Mike Glennon this year, I am all for keeping him. Perhaps some of what failed him last year was thew coaching. And perhaps now he has some people he can believe in.
Last year at times (And probably more than we know) it appeared that Coach Schiano overruled what the Offensive Coordinator wanted to do. This could very well have also been translated into more short throws and less deeper passes.
There was one interview that sticks out in my mind… Mike Sullivan was asked why they didn’t do something specific during the game and his response was, “That’s a little above my pay grade.” This makes me think that many of the times we saw them do something stupid during the game that it may in fact have been a Schiano over ruling. Remember, Sully didn’t forget everything he knew in one off-season. And he led Freeman to his career year before he got ‘goofy’.
So we have our Glennon. A guy with some talent, but the important thing is that he has a huge upside. If they can get him right, he can be the guy. I watched as he tore up the vaunted Seahawk defense last year up until Coach Schiano decided to not do what worked because ‘why would you keep doing it?’ Mike showed some talent and some leadership in that one.
We have been patient for years watching various teams get their ‘guy’. What if Glennon IS our guy? What if they get him roaring on all cylinders and he tears it up in a year or two?
June 3rd, 2014 at 10:09 pm
The MGM are great at coming up with obscure stats and comparisons to validate the alleged capabilities of The Cannon. So, can any of you tell me when a Franchise QB started 13 of 16 games, or something similar, his first year. Then was relegated to a back up role to “study” under a career backup??? I am just curious and I want to believe like all of you do.
June 3rd, 2014 at 10:12 pm
What is I marry a super model and join the circus?
And win the Masters?
June 3rd, 2014 at 10:21 pm
@Eric,
Then you would be Tiger Woods, lol
June 4th, 2014 at 12:02 am
@Harry, MG wouldn’t have started last year if Freeman would have kept it together.
June 4th, 2014 at 9:54 am
I don’t get the short-sighted, “He started 13 games and now he’s a backup” argument…
Last year it was either MG or Orlovsky… what choice did they have?
Now, there is an experienced vet with leadership skills, work ethic, professionalism and SOME success in the NFL for a 2nd year kid to learn from… and HOW is this a failure?!
It just strikes me as common sense and a smart move to allow this young kid more time to develop and learn from a true leader (Josh Freeman as ‘mentor’ anyone?).
MG is not the X factor athlete that RGIII, Cam Newton, or Russel Wilson are that had the ability to surprise defenses with scrambling and improv.
NFL winners come in all flavors. MG showed class and poise last year AND some rookie boneheadedness…. I believe he was far more focused on ‘not screwing up’ than making the big play (as per Schiano wanting his players to ‘do their job, not make plays’)…
The “no one else does it this way argument” is for lemmings…
June 5th, 2014 at 10:09 am
@Brandon, where did you hear about the extra vertebrae in MG8’s neck??? That’s astounding. That could be why dude looks like a Giraffe.
@BuccaneerBonzai… yes. none of this Tampa 2.0 (with rah) or whatever the hell we were under Schiano. Get up the field and get to the QB and stop the run on the way. Makes me all warm and fuzzy. BTW if Coach Kiff doesn’t work out in Dallas, wonder if he would be ok coming back in an advisory roll or as an assistant, to close out his coaching career. Not working in Dall-ass with the 3-4 personnel he has at his disposal.
The MGMers wont like this but I am kinda pushing (quietly) for Jameis.