“Tampa Gets A Little Sugar”
May 3rd, 2014
Odell Beckham and a package of picks?
NFL Network full-time draft guru Daniel Jeremiah, a former scout, outlined “sensible” draft-day trades to look for next week.
Yes, the Bucs were among the premier sellers.
Speaking on Path To The Draft, Jeremiah pegged the Steelers and Bucs as willing partners.
He projects the Steelers wanting to move up to the No. 7 overall pick to draft Mike Evans, a coveted big target for filthy Ben Roethlisberger. The Steelers would give the Bucs their No. 15 overall pick and perhaps a couple of draft picks. “Tampa gets a little sugar,” said Jeremiah, who speculates the Bucs would then draft wide receiver Odell Beckham at No. 15.
Jeremiah believes Beckham is a better complement to Vincent Jackson than Evans.
Joe’s first speculation would be the Bucs could command third- and sixth-round picks in return from Pittsburgh, in addition to the swap of first-round picks. But the Steelers don’t have a third-round pick this year. They’ve got a third-round compensatory pick, but those are untradeable.
Perhaps in this scenario, the Bucs could command second- and fifth-round picks from Pittsburgh and while giving the Steelers their third-round pick?
That would leave the Bucs with two second-round picks in the upper half of the second round. That’s more than enough ammunition to trade back into the first round, if desired.
Now Beckham, out of LSU, certainly is a legitimate first-round receiver. He’s got the elite speed and athleticism the Bucs claim they’re seeking at all positions.
Beckham’s a returner, too. But that so exciting. Joe has a lot of confidence in Eric Page, who is still just 22 years old and will be two years removed from ACL surgery when the 2014 season kicks off.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:01 am
Yeah let’s built through the trenches! OL & DL!
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:06 am
If they do that trade they would take C J Mosley.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:07 am
If we did not have a shot at Manziel, I would do this trade in a heart beat. But if we traded down to the Steelers spot, I would love to draft Eric Ebron if he is still available.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:08 am
@Joe says:
“…filthy Ben Roethlisberger…”
I love it, I hate this dirtbag.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:08 am
wouldnt mind and have to 2nds
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:14 am
A fast wide receiver? Playing for the Buc’s? We haven’t had one of those since Joey ‘White Tiger’ Galloway was here.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:16 am
I think both Detroit and Pittsburgh are excellent trade candidates. Detroit should take take Gilchrist the corner but seem to be in love with the thought of having Johnson and Evans at WR. Pittsburgh would love to have another Burress now that have also lost Sanders. Then it could become VERY interesting for the BUCS. As mentioned Beckham would be (IMO) even a better fit in our new offense than Evans> Or then we take Carr (sorry Joe..just can’t see JF in a BUCS uni) or go defense with Donald. I still think that we will wait till later 4th rd. or maybe with an extra 3rd if we trade to take an OL. BUT don’t be surprised to see us take one or two names we don’t expect. Remember L&L were both off last year watching football!!
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:21 am
If Sammy Watkins is not there at #7, and Mike Evans is, then I’m all for selling Evans to the Lions or someone before #15 for a 2nd round pick. I’m picking Odell Beckham and trading back into the bottom of the 1st for one of the fallen angel QBs. Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, or maybe even Manziel could be there. Get an OG or OT that can play OG with a mean streak in the 2nd round and it’s potluck for me after that!
Lovie wants a fast team and we need a #2 WR, then absent Watkins, Beckham is the guy. Highlight tapes can be misleading, but when I watch Beckham, he is ideal for Tedford’s “speed in space” run after the catch offense. Evans is 6-5 and has a vertical leap of 37. Beckham is 5-11 and has a vertical leap of 38.5. This guy can go get the ball. Beckham brings added versatility in speed, slot, KR/PR.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:23 am
Cooks > OBJ
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:29 am
Now that everyone understands of what a poor roster L&L were handed, there is no one that will complain of the Bucs moving down. With so many holes to fill to rework this roster will help the rebuild process!
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:29 am
I’VE HAD ENOUGH OF UNDERPERFORMING LSU PLAYERS. A BIG HELL TO THE NO TO THIS TRADE.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:33 am
havent had a burner WR in ages!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not since joey G was flyin around the field
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:37 am
I’m hoping for Sammy @ 7…..but agree….would trade the Evans pick & take Beckham or Ebron if he isn’t there.
However, I think we might have shots at other trade deals with Tenn, Cleveland or SF….(there may be others)
I think (depending on what happens 1-6) that the 7th pick is very valuable for Evans, OT, & QB hopefuls.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:38 am
Minn could also be a trade partner to keep someone else from trading up for a QB…..
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:44 am
I’ll bet Teddy wishes he woulda worn gloves.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:51 am
I think we cant pass on evans.
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:54 am
Joe
Did you really say you are confident in Page?
What in Page skillset, film, and potential warrants your confidence and he’s slow.
Among full time punt returners last year, guys who averaged more than 1 punt return per game, Page was tied for 12th in the NFL in average yards per return (10.9). He also was 13th among full-time kick returners. Keep in mind Page is still just 22 years old and played coming off ACL surgery last year. The kid has real skills and speed. –Joe
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:54 am
Ya we need the picks as we aren’t one or two players away
May 3rd, 2014 at 9:59 am
swap 1st and get their 2nd period !!we’re not thowing in our 3rd!!!!!
May 3rd, 2014 at 10:07 am
I don’t no why people have suck a hard on for that ebron kid. Do u not pay attention to the TE’s we have on the team already. That is one position we DO NOT need.
May 3rd, 2014 at 10:11 am
I don’t no why people have suck a hard on for that ebron kid.
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Jarret,
don’t usually correct people on their typos, but yours made me laugh
May 3rd, 2014 at 10:24 am
Macabee I understand your point about the vertical difference in comparing Evans with this Beckham but your forgetting one valuable thing. Evans is 6’5″ and Beckham is 5’11”, which means that inch and a half difference in ups means absolutely shit because Evans would still come down with the ball because he still has a vertical difference of about 3-4 inches. So in a jump ball he will still come down with it. Not to mention the weigh difference between the two. Evans can fight off most if not all corners when Beckham is about the same size of today’s average corner. Therefore it would make it that much more difficult for Beckham to be very effective
In today’s nfl. Plus we need a solid number two and a slot corner. But we need a number 2 wr first (Evans) and a slot receiver or number 3 receiver (Beckham). Hey it can happen. Crazier things have happened.
May 3rd, 2014 at 10:32 am
Assuming we do trade back, I don’t understand all this Ebron love. We have 2 receiving tight ends on the roster. Wright was about the only bright spot on an abysmal offense last year. Let’s give the guy a chance to develop into something. Seems like a wasted pick when we have several other pressing needs to fill. IE: guard/tackle, receiver, future QB.
I don’t know much about Beckham Jr but to me he seems like a better fit in the slot. Is he a true #2? He loves going over the middle and is small and shifty guy. Not a true burner. Quicker than fast as Mayock likes to say. I know he can catch the ball evidenced by that insane play in the end zone on a kick return.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/lsu-odell-beckham-jr-had-best-catch-touchback-212254913–ncaaf.html#cover-d2b26c6b964214123725fa15f61b0542
Not sure I take a guy in the first round only to play a lower percentage of plays on offense. Granted we don’t have a receiver opposite Jackson but I just don’t know if OBJ is that guy.
May 3rd, 2014 at 10:46 am
There aren’t many sure picks at 7….but if we are fortunate we should have a choice of Evans, Robinson or Matthews, Barr, Donald and perhaps Bortles & or Bridgewater.
Unlikely but “must picks” would be Watkins or Mack.
My Board would have these at 7 in this order
Watkins
Mack
Robinson
Matthews
Barr
Bortles
Donald
Bridgewater
May 3rd, 2014 at 10:48 am
I’d take that trade all day.
May 3rd, 2014 at 11:12 am
Jonathan,
Here’s an absolute indisputable fact, OBJ stood in one place flatfooted and out leaped Evans at the 2014 Combine. I also know that OBJ is faster (4.38), Lovie said he wants to be faster, and OBJ can return punts and kicks. I also know that if we pick Evans we can’t get an additional pick/s. Beyond that I don’t have a leg to stand on and can’t argue with anything you’ve said!
May 3rd, 2014 at 12:21 pm
Stepping back from some of the noise and just looking at the team needs and coaches’ backgrounds, here is what I see:
1. The Bucs are likely, almost certain, to take a a at #7. The free agent moves so far have shored up glaring needs. The team would not have let Williams go if they regarded that position as desperate or felt Williams was the answer. QB is the most important team position and the Bucs are lined up to take one.
2. It is unknown how the team rates the available QBs. I think they lean towards Carr or Manziel. I do not see them as interested in Bortles, abridge water, or the rest. Grarropollo could be in play. The player must have a quick release, stronger than average arm, and above-average wheels. (Personally, Carr’s pocket presence scares the hell out of me, but Lovie and Tedford may like the rest of the package).
3. If you like a QB, you have to pull the trigger where you are. Trading down is unlikely. (Except under the Garropolo scenario).
4. I think a Mike lb or d-line will be one of our first three picks.
5. It is obvious the Bucs need wr and oline. They do not act panicked. I expect a wr in round 2 and an oline choice on day three. As said above, the team feels it can solidify the guard situation in 2nd free agency.
6. The Bucs will choose a running back.
7. The remaining pick(s) will be for defensive players.
In short, 1-QB, 2.-WR, 3.-LB, 5.-OL, 6.-RB, 7.-Defense is the way the draft will play out.
Thoughts ?
May 3rd, 2014 at 12:45 pm
Apparently most of you did not follow this minicamp and think we lack receivers for the speed in space game. First of all Murphy runs a 4.3 and ran crisp routes and displayed great hands in the minicamp and has NFL experience none of the rookies you are touting have. Then we have Streeter who runs 4.3 and is 6’5″–do you think a WR in the draft can out jump him? Then we have Skye Dawson who runs 4.3 and can play slot and return kicks.
All this is not even counting the fastest player in the NFL, Demps, who can also play slot and return kicks, and wowed Lovie. And don’t forget Smith who runs 4.3 and has caught passes out of the backfield but could be shifted to WR too. Compare all this to Watkins who is even slower than the other WR on Clemson’s team and can’t run a 4.3. And don’t forget the Clemson curse with the Bucs. What we do need is Carr at 7 and Michigan States’ MLB in the second round at 6’3″ and 160 lbs. and is a run stuffer and can cover the passes too, and Syracuse’s DL 3 technique with 10 sacks as our third round pick we get trading off sack magnet Glennon, then LSU’s Guard in the fourth, and best player after that. THAT IS ALL WE NEED!!!
C’mon, man. Track speed is not football speed. Never has been. –Joe
May 3rd, 2014 at 1:25 pm
Never ceases to amaze – pre camps special sessions for Bucs’ newest staff, etc. and bingo, high praises for our newly discovered depth in fast, fast, fast, speedy, good moves receivers. We’re stacked. Sorry young lovers, I’ll hold until real camp with pads, helmets, Tampa heat, popping. Can they all CATCH the friggn ball, hold it, run with it and not blame failures on Glennon last year?
May 3rd, 2014 at 1:28 pm
Owlykat,
Nobody believes those WRs are worth a nickel. Several of them have had a chance to show their worth and they’ve spit the bed. The Bucs need a true #2 WR. Not there today!
May 3rd, 2014 at 3:26 pm
I don’t think Pittsburgh will be trading any draft picks, that team has too many needs and is depleted in multiple positions. I also like Page.
May 4th, 2014 at 8:09 am
I prefer Brandin Cooks a bit more over Beckham.