Doubting Josh McCown
May 31st, 2014
What’s the length of Josh McCown’s leash if he and the Bucs struggle out of the gate?
Broiling Bucs training camp starts in less than two months at One Buc Palace. Yes, football season will be here before you know it.
Despite what Bucs fans want to believe, Joe is suspicious of Jeff Tedford’s offense. Why should Joe be confident? No one has seen the full monty, much less anything in a game situation.
Sure, it appears the Bucs have pieces for a decent offense, so long as you ignore the offensive line. But the quarterbacks? Well, Joe will be polite and say they are a work in progress.
Perhaps the “Custodian of Canton,” eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune, was the first to offer doubts about McCown. Now it is Gary Shelton.
The veteran columnist for the Tampa Bay Times writes about the “embarrassing” history of quarterbacks for the Bucs, “a horror show that never ends,” and he too isn’t swallowing whole the sell that McCown can lead the Bucs to the promised land.
There is nothing reassuring about McCown, nothing that puts your concerns at ease. He is a vagabond quarterback on a franchise that has a history of them. Doubts and question marks are scattered around him. Even now, you can find an argument that suggests it will be a matter of a few games before Mike Glennon replaces him.
And why wouldn’t there be doubts? McCown is a 34-year-old passer who has started only 38 games in 11 years, and he has won only 16 of them. Yes, McCown was very good last year, but from 2008-2012, he threw all of 61 passes. Over his career, McCown has watched a great many other quarterbacks play.
The pieces to the quarterback puzzle are coming together, if we are take Bucs coach Lovie Smith at his words. He has said time and again the time to win is now. Woody Cummings of the Tampa Tribune noted last weekend how Glennon “absolutely” could start, especially if McCown struggles early. Shaun King agrees. Anthony Becht takes a quick hook for McCown a step further.
Shelton types that McCown likely is on a short leash and if McCown is subpar early, then here comes Glennon.
So when Lovie stated that Glennon is the “quarterback of the future,” maybe he was referring to October, if McCown can’t get the job done?
May 31st, 2014 at 5:06 pm
McCown will play until the O-line gets settled, then he will do what he was brought here to do, and that is to help MG8!
The future is near!!!
Instead of Gene Deckerhoff yelling ” fire the cannons ” this year he will be yelling the “Cannon is Firing!”
May 31st, 2014 at 5:11 pm
Joe I was new to the Tampa Bay area when Brad Johnston came to the Bucs and didn’t know you existed then, my bad, what did you say about him then and then after they won the SB?
As things turned out they had 2 HOF players and hopefully more coming from that team with a new coach, tell me the difference from now other than Tony D is a much better coach then Greg S.
Joe was excited to have Brad Johnson. He arrived in Tampa with an extraordinary winning percentage and a Pro Bowl appearance, in addition to his proven leadership ability.–Joe
May 31st, 2014 at 5:16 pm
I don’t believe any QB will have much success behind that OL, if we’re being brutally honest. Now, I like Jamon Meredith and think he can be better in this offense than he was in the last one, but that’s not saying much considering how brutal that unit was last year. When he’s your top option at G, something is seriously wrong. We also have a RT that’s more suited for the left side and vice versa, and also very little if any quality depth at ANY position on the OL. Still a year away from meaningful December games IMO. If Dot or Collins go down with an injury for an extended period, who fills the void? Meredith was your swing guy, but now he’s slated to start at RG. Do you move him out? Do you play a rookie/newbie at probably the second most difficult position in all of football? I could go for days, but the bottom line is they’ve still got a lot of work to do on that offensive front.
May 31st, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Joe does not want to let go of the gall that L&L showed when they did not make his pick. Now you are doubting what an NFL starting center is saying about Cannon Glennon. Even though he played with a QB we would all love to have, so you would think he might know what he is talking about. Its going to be interesting to hear the Joe&Dog show this week to see how you try to discredit EDS. JF & TB would not be able to come in this year if JM was benched and perform better than C MG8.
May 31st, 2014 at 5:37 pm
I guess that “immense talent” mantra didn’t really work out.
May 31st, 2014 at 5:42 pm
Guess I don’t understand why folks are so eager to throw Josh McCown under the bus even before training camp gets here. Would we have signed Tom Brady if he’d been available at $5 million a year? Undoubtedly. Josh was by far the best QB available in this year’s free agency group. And since arriving here, he’s done nothing but impress me. How many others would’ve shown the leadership to get the team together to practice on their own time? I don’t know about you, but that impresses me. And Josh has got a lot of superb qualities that he brings to the table, including being an outstanding athlete.
The reality to me is that Josh’s future success revolves around two key things: (1) How well the OL does; and (2) How well Jeff Tedford’s offensive strategy and play-calling stack up against some excellent defenses (we do have a pretty tough schedule). None of us (including Kaufman and Shelton) have the foggiest clue what Tedford’s offensive playbook will look like. None of us know at this point how well he’ll be able to adapt to the NFL.
So why doesn’t everyone back off a bit, take a breath, and try being positive for a change? We’ve got the makings of an outstanding team, but it’s going to take time to get it all to gel. Hopefully Lovie, his coordinators, coaches and players can make that happen before the Tampa Bay sports writers throw them all under the bus.
May 31st, 2014 at 6:02 pm
Shelton seems to be missing a few very valid counter points:
1) 15:1 TD/int ratio. 5 games is a small sample but it is enough to give hope.
2) the Rich Gannon effect. Gannon was in his mid 30’s when he hooked up with Gruden and the light came on. I think Trestman flipped the switch for McCown.
3) OTA’s – All reports to date say McCown seems to already have a full grasp of the offense and has been extreamly sharp. Granted it’s OTA’s, but we haven’t had a starting QB look sharp in OTA’s or camp in 5-6 years.
May 31st, 2014 at 6:09 pm
Is what it is…..may the best QB win the competition. Obviously L&L has a plan and I see it, and its freaking sweet! While I wouldve rather seen more addressed on the O line, there’s still time to pick up a few before the season starts.
Yes the O line is still a work in progress, but with Glennon on our side, Im sure he can adapt. And not to knock the current O line we have, (havent seen them play together just yet) but hopefully they gel together and find ways to get the job done. On paper, they’re def an upgrade to the mediocrity we’ve been used to for the past couple of years.
May 31st, 2014 at 6:19 pm
His leash is 6 weeks. Week 7 is the bye, and it all depends on where we stand then. If our offense is efficient and we are scoring, winning games, then his job is safe. If we are inept on offense, have a losing record, the future at QB will start. Hopefully, this debate will not be going on then, because we will have a losing record. Go Bucs.
P.S. if the defense is the reason for the losing record, that’s another debate.
May 31st, 2014 at 6:23 pm
I think the only reason JOE likes to speak in third person is so he can talk from both sides of his face.
You had said in an earlier article that eventually the Mike Glennon Mob will take up pitch forks calling for McCown’s head somewhere during the season. That was a load of bull when you said it because I don’t think we’ll get to that point. Dude, Joe didn’t say they will; Joe said it was likely. That’s what mobs do. –Joe
Again the media (including JOE) are trying to pearl harbor our QB situation before we can even play a meaningful game. It’s getting to the point that I almost feel any day now a billboard will be erected near the interstate again. The media in this town act as if they want to control everything and if they can’t they will try to destroy L & L’s credibility in the court of public opinion. Of course the media controls how the questions are asked and are masters at manipulating their desired response. If you don’t agree, they just call you ignorant in an articulated way and then suppress any future comments you may have that goes against the grain. Almost sounds like communism.
[Hitler reference deleted, along with a lie about Joe.] –Joe
May 31st, 2014 at 6:29 pm
Keeping Glennon may prove to b the right decision. I watched highlights of Glennon n he reminds me of Brad Johnson. He played ok for a rookie considering he didn’t have the support he needed. It was a smart move to stack our current defense with playmaker via FA. With Schiano running the ship of demoralization, overall we still ranked between 15 n 16 defensively n the NFL. Mutiny was on the bound. Now, with a proven NFL experienced SuperBowl/playoff/ players coach, BUC ball is coming back around, we can only improve on what we currently have. Lovie is taking a snippet from his mentor Dungy n applying what he learned from past history. Offense score,score, score!!! With several official/unofficial Pro Bowlers on defense (unfair), we matched the defense wit playmakers on offense from the draft n an offensive Gruden…I mean Guru…Jeff Tedford. Lovie took a year off to plan for the future n he’s not waisting time. Lovie is only applying what Dungy probably told him he regret not doing back in 1996-2001.
May 31st, 2014 at 6:31 pm
A truly shocking take. Another downer piece. It must be brutal for you to get up every day and have to cover this team that you have nothing good to say about. I’m sure the Cleveland plain dealer is accepting applications if you want to follow Manziel to Ohio. Seems like ever since you didn’t get your way in the draft you’ve been in steady pout mode.
Yawn, half the stories on this home page now alone are positive and uplifting. You really shouldn’t be so negative and have nothing good to say. –Joe
May 31st, 2014 at 6:33 pm
Just a thought but maybe it was Marc Trestman that turned the light on for Rich Gannon and not Gruden??????
May 31st, 2014 at 6:47 pm
Atlbuc40-
Good viewpoint, I never really thought Gruden groomed or was a QB guru-coach. I find it questionable for ESPN, when he does that QB piece, but he is a better tv personality than QB coach. JMO.
May 31st, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Was that a “no I’m not, you are” come back? You really have mailed it in huh?
May 31st, 2014 at 6:54 pm
Trestman took his version of the west coast to the CFL. Everything is up tempo. 2 seconds and the ball is gone. So no worries on the O-line .. I hope
May 31st, 2014 at 6:56 pm
That is Assuming the Tedford to Trestman connection is real.
May 31st, 2014 at 6:56 pm
And who is gary shelton?
May 31st, 2014 at 7:13 pm
Gru coached up three different QB’s to pro bowl.
Quick, name another nfl head coach who has accomplished that.
Sounds Guru like to me……
May 31st, 2014 at 7:16 pm
McCown is going to be the NFL MVP and Glennon going to be the co-MVP for coming in with heat to close games out… got to keep the old man fresh 😉
May 31st, 2014 at 7:21 pm
I heard Lovie say after one of the OTAs that he has a plan for the quarterback position. I believe him. Problem is his plan sucks. Plan to bring up the rear in the division this year again with McCown and Glennon.
May 31st, 2014 at 7:22 pm
I hope Mccown and Glennon are successful quarterbacks for the Bucs. Doubting either of them at this point would be premature. Our qb stable is what it is and I feel much better having added Mccown. Granted, there are many unanswered questions. Let’s just see. Go Bucs!
May 31st, 2014 at 7:22 pm
Trestman got Gannon the NFL MVP award.. Gruden got blocked from bringing Trestman with him.. At the time there was a lot of talk about that being an issue. Gruden never “Gurued” any of our QB’s love the guy but……
May 31st, 2014 at 7:23 pm
All conjecture and all irrelevant. Let’s wait and see. This is boring stuff. Nobody knows.
. The glass is half full. No the glass is half empty.
May 31st, 2014 at 7:29 pm
Anyone remember last season football night practice when the two backup QB’s came close to hitting the golf carts with the rolling bulls eyes on them??? And then Freeman came out an couldn’t even hit the right side of the field??? Yeah…..I think were better of with McCown and Glennon. I’ll bet all three of our QB’s hit the targets in this year night practice. If they run that exercise that is…Either way we are CLEARLY in a better position now than we have been in the last six years….so BE HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!! Add Lovie running our D on top of that and things are looking up no matter how negative one tries to be about our remaining roster holes…
May 31st, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Doubting Josh McCown
Doubting Mike Glennon
Doubting Josh Freeman
Doubting any Rookie we might have drafted
Doubting is natural for a Buc Fan
May 31st, 2014 at 7:33 pm
Gee I wonder how Gannon made the pro bowl in 1999 and 2000, under Gruden, before Trestman even arrived to coach there?
Btw, Gannon had never even sniffed the pro bowl before that.
May 31st, 2014 at 7:41 pm
MVP… say it.. MVP of the league … who votes for the Pro Bowl. Remember Jake Plummer… How Gruden fell in love with him… Google is your friend!
May 31st, 2014 at 7:49 pm
Ok, it’s not impressive to take what was a scrub like Gannon to the pro bowl. Multiple pro bowls actually.
Or that Johnson went to the pro bowl and was Super Bowl champ, or Garcia to pro bowl.
the 2002 Super Bowl, how did the great Trestman’s offense do vs. Gruden in that game?
If it was Trestman’s offense how did Gruden destroy it?
May 31st, 2014 at 7:53 pm
Joes, please have some faith… The writing is on the wall. Believe your eyes & ears.. and your boy Shaun King when he says that it seems like the mental part of the game has finally clicked for McCown. And he always had the physical tools.. When you think of McCown, think Rich Gannon and put your mind at ease. Trust me when I say we’re going deep into the playoffs THIS YEAR and possibly winning it all.
May 31st, 2014 at 7:58 pm
I only bring up this connection because Josh McCown was asked. What happened , what changed that turned the light on.. his answer .. Marc Trestman.. he opened my eyes to things about the position…. just like Jake Plummer.. Rich Gannon.. There is a reason other than money Josh chose to come here. Tedford and Trestman have chewed some of the same dirt.. I could be wrong but I believe our offence will look very much like Chicago’s
May 31st, 2014 at 7:59 pm
Eric… please… he had the answers to the test…
May 31st, 2014 at 8:00 pm
And the best Defense .. IMO of all time.;)
May 31st, 2014 at 8:03 pm
Also I never said OC.. I am only talking about QB guru.. I believe.. The Gruden and Trestman combo could of been Classic!!!! the what if’s
May 31st, 2014 at 8:11 pm
He had the answers because it was his offense the raiders were running, not Trestman’s. Gruden had turned Gannon’s career totally around before he ever met Marc Trestman.
Sure we had a great defense, but they knew what was coming. They all said that helped mightily.
Chuckies QB also outplayed Trestman’s MVP that day.
Chucky knew everything they knew, but they didn’t know everything Chucky knew…..including Trestman.
May 31st, 2014 at 8:12 pm
Ira was not the first, Joe. I’ve been speaking against mcCown since well before he was signed.
You know, it amazes me that these media guys are pointing this stuff out NOW. They were all for getting McCown here in the first place. Now they are mentioning the exact same thing me and a few others pointed out months ago.
The deed is done now. If Mike Glennon really is going to be a great franchise QB, playing him behind an unproven oline seems stupid. Let McCown play and take the hits until the oline is good enough to keep QBs healthy.
May 31st, 2014 at 8:14 pm
Glennon has way more upside over McCown.
May 31st, 2014 at 8:16 pm
[b]Joe seems to be defending himself alot lately[b/]
May 31st, 2014 at 8:31 pm
McCown has more upside THIS YEAR AND MAYBE NEXT YEAR though.. McCown is a little better than Glennon in every aspect of the game AS OF RIGHT NOW.
May 31st, 2014 at 8:36 pm
But “Mike Glennon is the Future”.
May 31st, 2014 at 8:38 pm
@ Eric. If you get a chance, there is some really great video’s about Trestman taking ( Grudens ) west coast offence to the CFL.. because the CFL only has 3 downs, its a very up tempo, spread the ball to basically everyone.. He won the Grey cup a couple times with it… IMO that is what is coming to Tampa.. Glass is half full here, for now..
May 31st, 2014 at 9:00 pm
The old saying goes, “if you have two quarterback, you have none”. That is what it appears we have now. But come training camp if thats the case, the O will be sucking most likely.
May 31st, 2014 at 9:07 pm
@atbuc40
I am totally behind that….
May 31st, 2014 at 9:21 pm
Is what it is….McCown could be our starter or push our starter in MG8!
I just want the best mind and body to be playing for our team.
May 31st, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Brad Johnson had a great career. Stop comparing him to McCown.
May 31st, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Eric-
Name one quarterback Gruden groomed-none. Name one who has ever given him credit for his success-none. He will go down as a great analyst and the brother of Jay Gruden, offensive, qb genius.
May 31st, 2014 at 9:40 pm
Um, Rich Gannon is the answer to both questions.
May 31st, 2014 at 9:49 pm
Gannon wasn’t young when Gruden got him. 11th year.
May 31st, 2014 at 10:00 pm
So opens the door…Trestman and Tedford could lead an experienced QB to greatness…
May 31st, 2014 at 10:03 pm
Patrick – YES agreed. Josh wishes his career was anywhere close to Brad’s – let alone the SB ring icing.
May 31st, 2014 at 10:22 pm
Joe quits on Saturday at 10. Stalking RW starts. Go Bucs.
May 31st, 2014 at 10:37 pm
Speculation speculation speculation.
And how short will Glennon’s leash be after that? Cause afterall he’s no guaranteed success lol.
Cause we have a plethora of QB’s to just go through them like candy right?
Lovie brought him here to succeed and he won’t just hit the switch the moment he faces some trouble.
May 31st, 2014 at 10:38 pm
So sad – I’m ready for season start to make the media heads stop with the meaningless articles.
May 31st, 2014 at 10:42 pm
KUDOS Joe……………..Absolutely the most non-biased MG article Ive seen in the last 6 Mos.
May 31st, 2014 at 10:42 pm
Tedford has run “successful” offenses in many different football avenues what exactly is different about the X’s and O’s of the NFL football than any other?
It’s not like we are talking about someone who has never had experience in “football”.
Football is football is football, sure the talent is even greater in the NFL as far as defenses go but so are the offensive players he will have to be able to use and succeed with as well.
May 31st, 2014 at 11:00 pm
Lovie and his staff will be ready. Tampa will have a good season.
People like Ira and Shelton will flop like they always do – wherever the wind blows goes their stories.
May 31st, 2014 at 11:17 pm
I think sometimes we have been losers for so long, it’s killed our spirit and belief that we can be good once again. I honestly don’t feel that way. I read the articles everyday all over the Internet that would further have us doubt ourselves. Well I’m a survivor of 37 years of Buc “could have beens” and we reached the mountain top only once.
But that once was enough for me to still have hope and look forward to that greatest of all feelings again. I don’t think some us realize we have the makings of a pretty good team. No team is perfect and winning in the NFL isn’t easy. Some teams have never been there and maybe never will, but we have and that’s saying a lot or I should say it is for me.
The players that we got in Free Agency, Josh McCown included, make us a better football. If Mike Glennon is our QB of the future, that’s fine with me because I want to win in the future too! But in the meantime, if it’s McCown, then from what I’ve seen so far, I’m fine with that. I wouldn’t say this if I didn’t believe it – we are a better football team and it’s time we start to believe in it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzsspyp0KCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1h7Lz9RbU0
May 31st, 2014 at 11:21 pm
Joe-
Has there been a RW sighting in SOHO?
June 1st, 2014 at 1:04 am
@ Joe
You talk about Brad Johnson like every team was waiting in line to get him. If he was as good as you build him up to be, then why was he ever allowed to leave Washington? I’ll tell you why, because he was viewed as just a decent journey man QB. I mean, give me a damn break, did you or anyone else for that matter, think to yourself “Wow, we just signed Brad Johnson, we’re ganna win the superbowl!!!”. of course not. Don’t get me wrong, I like Brad Johnson, but he did not inspire those kinds of feelings. You, and the rest of the local media are seriously underestimating McCown. I for one think he is going to have a very good season.
June 1st, 2014 at 1:07 am
@ Joe
what gives? first my comments go to moderation in the previous post, and now in this post they dont even get posted at all?
June 1st, 2014 at 1:22 am
@ Joe
I’m also willing to bet that McCown plays better then your boy Johnny this season (assuming Manziel is even considered good enough to start this season). Care to wager? I would very much like to gamble on your impressive QB prowess.
June 1st, 2014 at 2:02 am
New IP address you are using?
June 1st, 2014 at 2:03 am
Betting on a veteran quarterback to have better stats than a rookie? Stacking the deck for yourself, aren’t you?
June 1st, 2014 at 2:07 am
What other quarterbacks that had five good games in 11 years are you wetting your pants over?
Mark Sanchez had a handful of decent games, too. Are you also screaming from the hilltop he will lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl? He’s got a better resume than McCown (or Glennon).
June 1st, 2014 at 2:14 am
It’s a conspiracy. Joe has hired software engineers to make sure, at random, some of your comments appear and some don’t, just to mess with your mind.
June 1st, 2014 at 2:16 am
Ha!
June 1st, 2014 at 2:49 am
Joe is cleaning up!
June 1st, 2014 at 3:23 am
Joe, what’s your solution then?
McCown won’t workout cause it’s impossible for a QB to bloom late in his career..
Glennon just simply doesn’t have it.
So.. What are you getting at? Enlighten us.
June 1st, 2014 at 7:54 am
The Bucs most likely do not have a quarterback on the roster that will ever win a playoff game in a Buccaneers jersey.
This myth making of Gannon is just bizarre. He’s not that good, or else why they have brought in another quarterback and immediately named him the starter.
Think, people.
June 1st, 2014 at 8:29 am
mccown should be fine, the only position that im extremely worried about is the guard position, i honestly have no idea WHO were going to put in their
June 1st, 2014 at 8:44 am
This myth making of Gannon is just bizarre. He’s not that good, or else why they have brought in another quarterback and immediately named him the starter.
Isn’t it obvious…Lovie brought in a guy who he knew at QB since he wasn’t banking his last HC shot on a guy who only had 13 games of film on. Lovie, Licht, and Tedford got some time to see MG8 on and off the field and came away very impressed. Don’t believe the words, then believe the actions…despite all the media buzz no QB’s drafted by the Bucs, multiple Glennon trade offers were declined, heir apparent (to some) Brett Smith is gone as quick as he arrived in Tampa, and Glennon is now competing for the job. It will just be easier to accept Gleenon will be your starting Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB in the very near future
June 1st, 2014 at 8:45 am
^^^
I think we both meant Glennon not Gannon 🙂
June 1st, 2014 at 8:57 am
Joe,
I don’t believe you ever got back to me on whether or not Johnny Football will have a better year than Glennon did this past year. It’s a fair question and I’d be willing to place a small wager that it won’t happen. Willing to consider any number of units of measure to gauge performance other than number of girls bagged by years end.
June 1st, 2014 at 9:29 am
Oh ye of little faith. What’s not to be happy about? Most think the Bucs will be better. If you are not enthusiastic about the Bucs upcoming season and excellent chance to surprise the doubters, then you are a antagonist or rabble rouser of the sour grapes type. Think positive, if those positive thoughts don’t pan out, what else is new?
June 1st, 2014 at 9:29 am
Tampabaybucfan Says:
May 31st, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Doubting Josh McCown
Doubting Mike Glennon
Doubting Josh Freeman
Doubting any Rookie we might have drafted
Doubting is natural for a Buc Fan
Well judging how the performing play on and even off the field has gone at qb, how much confidence do you have that McCown or glennon can take us to a Super Bowl? I’m not sure either are good enough to lead us to a playoff birth.
Listen, I agree with the doubts about McCown. I’m not sold until I see he’s got the “rich Gannon” light came on affect. It just baffles me how a couple years ago he got cut bc he couldn’t beat Jason Campbell out. And if you dig deeper and watch the all 22 of his starts last year, he may have thrown 1 int but he had about a dozen dropped. He still has decision making issues.
Glennon is going to compete for the job. McCown was “named the starter” bc you have to have a guy go in there to Camp. However, they continue to mention they love competition and the current starters now at EVERY position have to earn there jobs come week 1. So yes. Glennon can win the job and I prefer him be the guy for a few reasons. 1. If he really is the qb of the future, we’ll find out. If not we get a chance to get a franchise qb.
2. If we play McCown for the 6 week learning curve and glennon plays average, we’ll get the small sample size and possibility licht and lovie continue to hope he improves to be the franchise.
If you all heard of qb purgatory, that is where we are. Have a qb who can win you 5-8 games but never get you over the hump but never suck so bad you can actually have an opportunity to draft the elite signal callers that have championship potential.
June 1st, 2014 at 11:57 am
The answer is so completely obvious but most of you just refuse to see it. Lol.
June 1st, 2014 at 12:02 pm
It’s funny how history keeps repeating itself, not to long ago we were here, same situation different qb’s. Byron leftwich the vet came here the starter and sucked, benched for the newer less experienced vet josh whatever and he sucked only to waste the next 4 years on Freeman who was inaccurate not great at reading defense but better than the vets just not good enough to win the division! If Mccown sucks like usual and glennon is the 4th best qb in the division DON’T KID YOURSELF CUZ THAT NON DEBATABLE, how long does lovie waste the fans time on an average quarterback because say what you want but just because certain people are spitting nonsense about glennon as a franchise qb, he isn’t cam, matt ryan or brees, all who were obvious franchise qb’s from day one not year two
June 1st, 2014 at 1:27 pm
See that was my concern when we hired lovie. Was he going to stick with the same scenario and strategy he went with in Chicago? Maybe he and licht didn’t like the qb situation and wanted to go with the Seattle plan and that was to build the team around the qb until the right one fell into your lap.
June 1st, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Couch Fan …they are still grasping at straws trying to figure what the ulterior motive is in keep Glennon. I’ve seen multiple reasons given for their disbelief in what Lovie said on numerous occasions. Yet still, still there are people out there that don’t get it yet.
Mike Glennon is the future QB for the Bucs as long as Lovie remains the HC. Bank on it!
June 1st, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Buc1987 Says:
June 1st, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Couch Fan …they are still grasping at straws trying to figure what the ulterior motive is in keep Glennon. I’ve seen multiple reasons given for their disbelief in what Lovie said on numerous occasions. Yet still, still there are people out there that don’t get it yet.
Mike Glennon is the future QB for the Bucs as long as Lovie remains the HC. Bank on it!
Even if he goes out and plays the way he did down the stretch ? He didn’t get better. IMO I think glennon stayed the same and regressed against the better opposition. I’m on par that Geno smith was the best rookie qb. Dude had nothing. When the defense gave the jets offense opportunities he capitilized. Glennon didn’t and the bucs defense finished in the top 5 in forced TOs.
June 1st, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Your entitled to your opinion but most experts disagree with you. I think Glennon can and will improve as he should. If not, we move on. Very simple. The plan has been laid out in front of you. Glennon is the Future until he’s not. Yes, he can be replaced if someone better comes along. That also can be said about any NFL Player. But aye, continue the conspiracy theories. LOL
June 1st, 2014 at 3:12 pm
PRBucFan Says
“Lovie brought him (McCown) here to succeed and he won’t just hit the switch the moment he faces some trouble.”
I tend to agree with this insight. I mean, Lovie has shown in the past that he is very loyal to his starting lineups. I think he will hold back pulling McCown as long as he can.
Unless he is forced to because of injury. If that happens and Mike Glennon does very well, Mike could conceivably make it impossible to go back to McCown when he is ready to return.
June 1st, 2014 at 3:17 pm
Buc1987 Says
“Mike Glennon is the future QB for the Bucs as long as Lovie remains the HC. Bank on it!”
That depends on how he does when he gets his shot. It will be up to Mike Glennon to claim the rights.
If he plays like crap when his chance comes, Lovie will move on next year.
June 1st, 2014 at 3:46 pm
All the speculation is just that. As we all know everything in the NFL can change in a second. Let the dust settle, what we see today probably will continue to change. Guys will perform, will get hurt, not perform. That is what makes a HC, what does he do and how did he prepare for all the ups and downs.
June 2nd, 2014 at 10:59 am
buc4lyfe Said:
“how long does lovie waste the fans time on an average quarterback because say what you want but just because certain people are spitting nonsense about glennon as a franchise qb, he isn’t cam, matt ryan or brees, all who were obvious franchise qb’s from day one not year two”
And you know these things how? Ah yes, the eyeball test. Your vision is clouded by hate of McCown and Glennon.