Raheem 2010 Roster Nearly Rinsed Away
April 4th, 2014
“Who am I going to drink with when I come back to Tampa in the offseason?”
In case you haven’t been paying attention – and Joe is guessing you have been judging by the traffic on this here corner of the Interwebs – the roster makeover by Bucs general manager Jason Licht and coach Lovie Smith has been nothing less than extraordinary.
The Bucs, as of last night, have signed 14 free agents since March 11, more than any other NFL team. And that doesn’t even count likely contributors like cornerback D.J. Moore, who were signed before the start of the league year.
Provided the Bucs keep their six draft picks as well as their new free agent faces, L&L easily could replace half their inherited roster by opening day.
How striking has the makeover been? Consider this nugget from good guy Peter Schrager of FOX Sports.
@PSchrags: With trade of Mike Williams, there’s only one Buccaneers player on the current roster from their 2009 and 2010 Drafts — Gerald McCoy. Wild.
It is wild. McCoy is but the lone draft pick standing from those first two years of Raheem Morris. Can’t say Joe really blames L&L.
They didn’t draft those players. They didn’t sign those players. And the Bucs sure as hell weren’t winning with those players.
It’s almost as if L&L have started their own local SERVPRO franchise.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Remember when there were questions to the 50% roster makeover? It might be more…..
April 4th, 2014 at 1:20 pm
No player ever stays here long enough to matter……..one reason I haven’t bought a Buccaneers jersey in a long time.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
1 player ledt from 2009 AND 2010 drafts. ONE!
Its pathetic. That’s why we have been perennial losers.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
*left
April 4th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
I’m not really a numbers guy and pay very little attention to players salaries, but how does this williams move affect our cap space?
April 4th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Morris set this team back 6 years by drafting Freeman. He should be banned from ever being a HC in the NFL again. But his chest bumps were second to none.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
“Thirty of the 53 players were brought in since the Chiefs hired general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid in January. That number was boosted by seven waiver claims on Sunday. Those roster moves were almost like a draft for the Chiefs.”
Reminding me a lot of the Chiefs last year. Granted they had a soft schedule but I wouldn’t mind a similar turn around for the Bucs.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
If any of this surprise anyone, then you have not been paying attention. At least Lovie learned from Coach Shiano and demanded the rockstar get canned! smart move to not try and fix a bad roster!
Its a new day in Tampa Bay, Be a Legend Lovie.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
Servpro sucks. Stick with DKI.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
It’s clear that L&L know exactly what they want, and really do believe in cutting your losses and moving on.
Wise? Probably. Put a winning team on the field this year and no one will remember the the high draft pick players abandoned to move on.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Really takes Dominik’s overall grade from F to F-. He doesn’t get any credit for McCoy, who was the consensus #3 pick that year. He’ll have trouble getting any front office job that involves player evaluations, I would think. And Raheem is still stuck as a DB coach. Come to think of it, fire the Glazers!
April 4th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
“Come to think of it, fire the Glazers!” LOL. I think everyone one of us has had that thought at some point…
April 4th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
@JFat…
I said those SAME EXACT words a few weeks ago.
If you’ve been losing with those players, why keep them around if you are a new regime? like ’em or love ’em, they’re building this team the way they see fit to their vision. Thats how you build organizational trust.
After seeing what a quality, veteran coach can do after changing scenery, I am beyond excited to see what is going to happen next year.
Sucks that where I live now, can’t get a signal to DirecTV, so no Sunday Ticket. I never used to care about their exclusivity; now, I hope it gets sold to someone that allows me to view it online, lol.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
Joe you HAVE to get a bigger picture of Raheem the Dream!
April 4th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
@NewTampaChris…
So let me get this straight: Dom only gets credit for the picks that that didn’t work, but the ones that have panned out are only because they were consensus or the head coach made the decision?
April 4th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
To be fair how many players on other teams drafted in 08 09 and 10 have stayed with the same team? This number means little without context. The NFL is brutal careers typically do not last long
April 4th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Right on Celly, it’ll be a completely new team next season. I’m excited to see how it all comes together too.
Some people are sharpening their pitchforks already and hoping for failure I think but I’m pretty damn optimistic about the direction we’re headed.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I am just glad that the Bucs stopped firing coach and coordinators and canned the real problem, “The Rockstar”. what a 5 year waste that is still being felt today.
April 4th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Mark Dominick is still a great GM!!!!
-Steve Duemig
April 4th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Golf clap!
April 4th, 2014 at 2:03 pm
@Buc_Realist…
So i guess you never made any mistakes when you got your first job at whatever position you’re currently working in. Must be nice.
The fact that he got it right apparently wasn’t him. It was the all mighty Schiano…
Because, you do notice that Schiano is also still unemployed…
April 4th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
People need to really stop invoking the Chiefs and Andy Reid. Andy Reid had a .664 playoff apperance percentage in 14 years; Lovie is .333 in 9 years…in a much easier division (NFC East was consensus best NFL division for several of Reid’s years there). Andy Reid conned the Cardinals into giving up a starting corner and a first round pick for a backup QB. He got a freaking 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley. Andy Reid is at least a full level ahead of Lovie as a coach. Lovie is better than Schiano, but he’s not Andy Reid. Not even close.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Remember when we went 10-6 oh yeah
April 4th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
Why is this “WILD”?
This team hasn’t won since 2010. Why would players from 2009 and 2010 still be around on a team if its not winning?
Not wild at all.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
I’ve been paying attention, and loving every second of it. I can’t wait to watch this team win some friggen games.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
I said it before trade vjax for a pick this year and next year. this year especially the first 5 games will be all about teaching and learning the new defense/offense. If you keep Vjax that’s all good too because he will be motivated to have a beast of a season. He will not make as much money on another team ala Brandon Marshall. His successor will be drafted this year, the Bucs will win a game you expect them to lose, lose a game(s) you expect them to win and be 8-8 or 9-7 at the end of the season.
The Bucs won’t get beat over the top so you will need a running game and patient qb to beat them. ATL-no running game, NO no running game, Carolina- no running game
April 4th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Ed Says:
April 4th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
“Remember when we went 10-6 oh yeah”
Yeah and that season led to absolutely nothing. A 100% fluke.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Barry Says:
Morris set this team back 6 years by drafting Freeman. He should be banned from ever being a HC in the NFL again. But his chest bumps were second to none.
Players are drafted by the GM and Raheem was a defensive minded guy so doubt he had anything to do with Freeman. I like Raheem as a person it’s not his fault the Glazers took a VERY young secondary coach and thrust him into a head coaching position
April 4th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
So disappointed with this trade… Now I didn’t like the past regimes and wasn’t a fan of Dom at all, but I’d be lying if I judged them as being this bad based upon how many players have departed this offseason. Some moves I’ve liked by L & L, but I honestly have disliked even more moves. If they didn’t like the assets we had on the team, that’s fine. But stop letting em go for PEANUTS! Just because they were brought in by a past regime doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work at getting the maximum return. I just feel like if they wanted to build-a-new, you get the best pieces to build upon. No picks for Revis (less the 1st and 4th), 5th(?) for Zuttah, 6th for Williams, nothin for Lorig, nothing for Penn, and nothing for Joseph. Now I get the last couple were either free agents or released, but like the others, those were starters that either haven’t been replaced or have been replaced by unproven players.
Are these the true colors of Licht when it comes to getting deals done? Bc I personally want a GM w a little more $ack to get some dam return (see: Andrew Friedman). Besides CB (assuming that Revis has been adequately replaced), tell me another position you feel more comfortable with this season…. Because I’m seeing poorly coached vets that have been replaced by unproven talent, and yes, that very much include QB!
April 4th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Raheem personally chose Josh, a guy he knew from being a coach at Kansas State. If (God forbid) Raheem was still coach now, Freeman would still be QB. Freeman was Raheem’s boy (and again, coaches and players should never be “boys”)
April 4th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Andy Reid ate Shaun King.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:40 pm
@Mike10, great post, but the value of a Rapper/Gangsta/Party Animal wide receiver who gets stabbed by his brother like Mike Williams did, just ain’t that high.
He is known as a problem child now, in the NFL, and we were lucky to get Buffalo to give us what we got for him.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
What a train wreck this organization has been. Loving the changes and the new GM seems like more of a rock star than his predecessor.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
Jason Licht better be really good at contracts and talent development, because he SUCKSSSS!!!! at trades.
No way should he have taken less than a 4th rounder for Williams.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Talent spotting I mean.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
I bet Jason Licht couldn’t get more than a 5th rounder for GMC.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Newbucsfan!!! Says
I said it before trade vjax for a pick this year and next year.”
We’d end up with two 7th rounders.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
The_Buc_Realist Says
I am just glad that the Bucs stopped firing coach and coordinators and canned the real problem, “The Rockstar”. what a 5 year waste that is still being felt today.”
Um…no they didn’t. They fired the coach too 😛
April 4th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
I believe the blame falls on the rock(pop?)star. First mistake WAS’NT drafting freeman.The first mistake was trading for winslow.All anyone has to do is allegedly connect the dots.Freeman was a very young qb.MW19 was a young reciever with concerns coming out.Dom knew about winslow,who didnt?remember his motercycle crash while with the browns?)Then you hire a young secondary coach who is buddies with the players.
Now with whats come to light allegedly about winslow,and he,freeman and mw19 were good friends.Now that would be fine if you have an experienced coach to pull in the nonsense,but a coach who is going out with you isnt setting the example the young men needed from poison such as the former tightend.
By the time rah was out,it was too late.Bringing in Greg goodfellas without a roster turnover spelled doom.It is the equivilant of a passive parent who cant control anything marrying a strict partner who demands respect for the both of them,what do you think the spoiled child will do?they will buck and undermind anything because they have to be accountable.So in my mind,getting rid of half the team,no matter how talented,is addition by subtraction.More so now that this draft has alot of young,could be special talent that can use structure to grow in.
April 4th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
@Celly
1) if you own a playstation, you can by sunday ticket and stream it, but if you don’t have a good internet connection you will want to break something when it lags or buffers or you switch between games
2) if i were schiano i’d be unemployed too. even if i loved football, it’s tough to beat 3 years of $3 mil a year to not coach
April 4th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
DeSean Jackson is twice, no three times as good as MW, and they got NOTHING for him.
Character does matter, and while MW was good, but, he wasn’t great. I’m stoked they are building the team how they see fit.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
DeSean Jackson also had a $10 million cap hit. Mike Williams was $1.8 million. Not even comparable. If their cap hits were reversed Williams would have fetched nothing and Jackson would have gotten a 3rd rounder, at least.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
pick6 Says:
“if you own a playstation, you can buy sunday ticket”
Hold up, can xbox get it???
April 4th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
Guys, getting players with “character” doesn’t translate to wins, getting players with talent does.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:04 pm
Sure, character is important but not every player can be a freakin’ saint.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:05 pm
LOL at Bonsai.
Chastising Licht (no mention of Lovie?) for blowing up an overpaid 4-12 roster. The NFL is a free market system. Williams was worth a 6th pre-meltdown, Joseph and Penn nothing.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:05 pm
If ever there was a time to dump the roster, and start over this is it. L&L have no allegiance to any of the players on this roster. Since there’s going to be a new defensive and offensive scheme, why not hand pick the players you want running it. This makes perfect sense for this year. You’re not going to see this type of roster turn over year after year. I for one am excited to see what the new season will bring. God only knows that it cant be any worse than the last 3 years that’s for sure.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:07 pm
Patrick, fair point, but even with Williams talent he still wasn’t welcome here this season.
Fresh start.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
I think there’s enough talent around to have both talent and character.
This is not about partying. Do you think MW was the only guy on the roster who parties? Of course not. Players can enjoy themselves and still not bring a negative image to the team. Everything that happened he brought upon himself. (I don’t consider the stabbing part of the equation).
I’m more than happy.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
Philly also had suitable replacements as Desean. Yes they are not as good as he is but they are good enough to more forward with. The Bucs do not have that luxury. It’s not a good comparison.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
I guess becuse im female I look at charecter from a diff minds eye.Charecter is the most important thing. I believe that with the fame and money,all it does is inhance and bring out charecter traits that you already have.
I remember going to the bucs practice the year after the superbowl,and watching after practice John lynch signing footballs for two hours.I talked to Mr.barber as well as Mr.Brooks.These men were class personified.I vividly remember Brooks telling me how he got p early every morning and jogged…for i think five miles every day.I heard from friends about how when he was growing up,his mother would work 2 jobs so they could afford their big tv from a rent to own company.I have heard stories about sapp being raised by a single mother.those guys have pride.
could they have partied all night?of course!However i think they knew the term moderation.Have you ever taken shots and got blitzed and then went to work the next day?I THINK WE ALL HAVE ONCE,AND OUR PERFORMANCE SUFFERED.
Most of us on here,if we have gotten paid like these pro’s do,they would have to drag us off of the field.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
A lot of people on here thought Dominik’s moves were great. I didn’t.
I’m not bothered in the slightest by Licht’s moves.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
You are absolutely right Joe. At first, I believed that Lovie and the gang were trying to wash everything that reeked of Schiano and Rutgers away. Now after Williams’s trade that leaves McCoy as the last player remaining (and rightly so) from Morris’s regime is ironic. They have completely cleansed this roster. Although the Williams and Zuttah trades are to me, questionable, especially when they were perfectly adequate until we replaced them with equal or better talent. As of right now those two vacancy’s will be reflected back on after the end of the season. Especially if Williams and Zuttah have a better season than whoever replaced them.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
Rick Stroud @NFLSTROUD · 1h
With trade of Mike Williams, #Bucs have no players left from drafts in ‘2006, ’07, ’08, ’09, and only DT Gerald McCoy from 2010.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
Can we stop giving away players. Damn…Revis, Penn, Williams, out of those three players we couldve gotten more than a single 6th round pick. (And moved our 4th to a 3rd with Revis release). Come on licht…I like what you’re doing but this trade doesn’t seem very smart
April 4th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
I’m just worried that with such a roster change that it will take a while to all come together. We might lose more than a few games this year. Let’s see if Lovie can coach them up.
April 4th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Interesting point. Bucs may not hit stride until midseason. Good observation there man.
April 4th, 2014 at 4:03 pm
biff barker Says:
“Chastising Licht (no mention of Lovie?) for blowing up an overpaid 4-12 roster. The NFL is a free market system. Williams was worth a 6th pre-meltdown, Joseph and Penn nothing.”
Pre melt down Williams was worth a 4th at worse. And I would debate that he’ll had a melt down.
He paid the home owner $43k for the house damage, for example. Obviously, the owner ALSO claimed it on the insurance, double dipping.
And there is no proof that he was responsible for the kitchen fire.
The only other thing against him is $200 of damage to a front door….that belonged to the woman he is now engaged to.
And, as far as Lovie…he doesn’t negotiate trades. Licht does. And he sucks at it.
Penn was worth something. Heck Joseph was too. But again, Licht broadcasts that he plans to cut players IF he cannot trade them. If you don’t think that’s stupid, then you don’t grasp how trade value works.
April 4th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
Joe Says:
“Interesting point. Bucs may not hit stride until midseason. Good observation there man.”
More like next season, if we’re lucky.
We were struggling the last couple years with WR depth. Now we only have one starter. Everyone here seems to think Licht can find quality WRs no problem.
We better hope he doesn’t do a trade during the draft, because we’ll get railroaded.
April 4th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Joe Says:
April 4th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
“I’m just worried that with such a roster change that it will take a while to all come together. ”
“Interesting point. Bucs may not hit stride until midseason. Good observation there man.”
Oh yes very interesting point. What stride Joe? This team right now is poised to go 5-11 to 6-10. This team is not designed to hit a stride this year.
Welcome to Rebuild City Joe. Good afternoon, how was you’re nap?
April 4th, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Bonzai…Joe makes me smh all the damn time lately.
April 4th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
LOL I think everyone is apprehensive about licht becuse of the moves so far.
The lack of value in trades,outright cutting superstar corners who loaf on plays,and a general distrust of the unknown.
I have a weird conspiracy theory.The NFL is a exclusive group of coaches as well as front office people.They all know each other,from one place or the other.Perhaps we are not getting the type of value in return tht Dom would have gotten.Perhaps why is because the rest of the league knows Licht is a much better talent evaluator than Dom was,And dont want to make a trade that ends up looking like eggs on their faces.
Even if Licht isnt,Most other orgs know what the Bucs got in Coach Smith.They know that he can spot good players,And know the joke of a team we had before will be no longer.Teams are in the business of improving theirselves,not helping out the other teams.I think they Know we have gotten our ducks in a row,so less likely to deal.Also,I believe the draft will Unfold like this,1.ot,2nd. te,3rd wr.
April 4th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
What happend to the “youngry” team?
April 4th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
The Glazers let Gruden go for this Morris? What a waist of 5 years its been.
April 4th, 2014 at 4:46 pm
Themselves*
April 4th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
It has been an epic disaster.
April 4th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
@bucrightoff
“(NFC East was consensus best NFL division for several of Reid’s years there).” Consensus by who? BSPN? just becuase they beat each other up doesn’t mean that its a great division. They haven’t had more than 1 team in the division in a given year make the playoffs since 2009. NFC east sucks!!! Since 2008 the NFC south has put 2 teams in the playoffs in 4 of those 6 years.
April 4th, 2014 at 5:15 pm
We’ve won so much with great players like Penn and Williams its sad to see them go.
April 4th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
The Glazers owe this entire city an apology.
April 4th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
Although no 2 coaches are the same, lets not forget that Andy Reid did the same thing last year and won games by playing sound defense and a solid running game with Alex Smith under center.
April 4th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Josh P. Says:
April 4th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
@bucrightoff
“(NFC East was consensus best NFL division for several of Reid’s years there).” Consensus by who? BSPN? just becuase they beat each other up doesn’t mean that its a great division. They haven’t had more than 1 team in the division in a given year make the playoffs since 2009. NFC east sucks!!! Since 2008 the NFC south has put 2 teams in the playoffs in 4 of those 6 years.
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Right….but I was comparing Andy Reid (NFC East) to Lovie Smith (NFC North). I agree of late the NFC East has been bad, but from 2004 to 2010 it was pretty easily the best division in the NFL. AFC North can make an argument I suppose. Regardless the NFC East was harder than the NFC North. NFC East didn’t have any 0-16 teams.
April 4th, 2014 at 7:06 pm
Didn’t he draft claybourne
April 4th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
Lovie will become a legend in Tampa. And is being allowed to do anything he needs to to make the bucs winners again. And they will win and win big. Lovie will alluw his defense to go after it instead of putting a bunch if BS schemes together. Get to the ball and tackle that’s how simple it is.
April 4th, 2014 at 9:15 pm
Yes Terrance, and Bowers too, but that was the next season.
April 4th, 2014 at 10:31 pm
It’s a joke to me how much stock the media and thus fans put into the character of players. AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE TEAM OR GAMETIME on Sundays, why do we give a crap? If they kill someone, knock out their girl, or are the member of a gang – of course they should be let go. But house parties, questionable friends, or a crazy brother, why do we care – who are we to judge these guys. He never missed a game for any off the field “problems”. They come from a much different background than the majority of us. So even though they come out on Sundays and make plays, as fans we’re going to sit n judge the hell outta these guys and put pressure on the franchise to release ’em bc of what they do off the field. lol society is something else…. we’re truly full of it
April 5th, 2014 at 12:44 am
@Mike10,
Let me answer that for you – because they ARE role models. Don’t care what Charles Barkley says. Pro athletes represent not only their team, but their city. It may not be right, but it is the way it is, and it will always be that way. I own my own company. As a result, when someone cuts me off in traffic, I don’t stick the finger at them. I can’t do that anymore. I represent my company, so I don’t do a damn thing. I expect my employees to act the same when they are recognizable as a member of my company. An athlete is always recognizable. If you don’t understand that, I’m going to assume you don’t own your own company (nothing wrong with that at all, but there is a clear difference in your way of thinking when you are an owner or employer versus an employee).
April 5th, 2014 at 12:46 am
You’d be surprised how much a lack of effort from one player affects the rest of the team. These guys know how much their teammates are preparing, and how much they are partying. There are so many ways that can negatively affect a team.
April 5th, 2014 at 11:12 am
poor Rah…inexperienced HC and horrible talent evaluator. Dom did his job of helping move in the drafts to get the players Rah wanted (Freeman), so he did his job as a GM in that lone regard. At least Schiano is a damn good talent evaluator (and Dom did his part by moving around in the past two drafts to help him get the guys he wanted for the team). At least Dom got some compensation for past players, something Licht is looking inept at so far. Hopefully he improves with more experience.
April 5th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Fine by me