NFL Network: Bucs Primed For Round 1 QB
April 17th, 2014
Smokescreen or the pulse from a true insider?
NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport, who as a league employee has a pipeline to everyone in the NFL, was talking tonight about how the Bucs are thoroughly primed to draft a quarterback in the first round of next month’s draft. Cue the Kool and the Gang. NFL.com summed up Rapoport’s comments.
We all know the Jaguars and Browns are game to pick a new quarterback, but who might surprise us? Rapoport named Tampa Bay as one team prepared to dial up a signal-caller at No. 7 after the Buccaneersspent the pre-draft process hosting a laundry list of top prospects at the position.
As Joe’s written over and over, now is the time for the Bucs to identify and draft a quarterback they believe can be their “franchise” guy. What round of the draft that is in is unknown.
Perhaps their thorough evaluation reveals Jimmy Garoppolo is their man in Round 2? Joe doesn’t know. Joe just wants to see the Bucs upgrade the position immediately with a guy who has that “franchise” potential — not next year.
Sorry, Joe doesn’t believe Mike Glennon and/or Josh McCown have the necessary talent. If the Bucs strike now, then they don’t put themselves a year behind in the process of returning Tampa Bay to the ultimate glory.
Joe will raise the last frosty mug of the evening toasting the chance Rapoport is correct — and not blowing Bucs-generated smoke.
April 17th, 2014 at 9:56 pm
I’ve actually been very confident a QB would be drafted in the first round for quite some time. McCown is a serviceable, experienced back-up QB in the league. He will not turn into the next Rich Gannon, and that is not a knock against him.
Mike Glennon. Well, Lovie/Licht’s actions this offseason have made it quite clear what they think of his starting potential.
April 17th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
I would die laughing if Minnesota is convinced that the Bucs are going QB and trade up one spot in front of them with the Dixie Chicks to take Mancrush!
April 17th, 2014 at 9:59 pm
“If the Bucs strike now, then they don’t put themselves a year behind in the process of returning Tampa Bay to the ultimate glory.”
Joe you say this as if QB was what made the Bucs so great during the glory years. It’s a f’in shame.
Then again when I realize you’re love for Shaun King who in you’re mind was the leader that took them to the NFC Championship game. It all makes sense.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:09 pm
Put me down for the Aaron Murray Mob. Kid had his pro day this week and the injury looked non-existent. A full recovery from a torn ACL in only 5 months shows his determination. He’s the SEC’s all-time record holder for yards and TD’s too. And in a conference that hosted guys like Tim Tebow, Matthew Stafford, all 3 of the Mannings, and others that is saying something.
But I doubt he’s L&L’s guy. So as 87 says it…..
McCown, Glennon, Kafka IMO.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
The Bucs have NEVER had a franchise QB. I REALLY REALLY would love to see for them to have one. If L&L see one and they pull the trigger on draft day, I’ll be as happy as a clam.
I just don’t think it will take a QB to return TB to the glory years though. The Bucs won games with Dilfer and Shaun King. Hell they won a SB with Br-ad Johnson for ef’s sake.
I saw Seattle’s D make Manning look like a high school QB in the SB. Maybe Denver will reach “glory” again next season with one of the best QB’s to ever play the game. Maybe they will run into another stifling defense again.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:15 pm
WalkdaPlank…I wouldn’t laugh. I’d be glad for it.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:18 pm
If we draft a QB in the first, we literally better finish of the draft like this
WR
G
WR
G
WR
@JOE… we are SO desperate for some WR’s and Guards. It’s scary.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:18 pm
WalkdaPlank says
“But I doubt he’s L&L’s guy. So as 87 says it…..”
“McCown, Glennon, Kafka IMO.”
LOL don’t trust me. I was part of the Freeman is going to light up the 2013 season crowd.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
this has to be the plan. Lovie cannot see McCown as the ‘answer’ – he cut him once before, so even with his great performance last year, Lovie has to have reservations. But he obviously see McCown as the short term solution, since he named him training camp starter (doesn’t say much for his opinion on MG8). So, L&L have to be contemplating finding their franchise QB in the draft. Whatever round it is, it then becomes The QB Guru Tedford’s job to turn him into a star.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
sit tight @ 7…if the new managemant can not find help in this draft when ONLY 6 FREAK’n names have been called before the big decision…..gawd have mercy !
April 17th, 2014 at 10:22 pm
BUCFAN4LIFE…WR is not a need right now. It’s a damn emergency. Okay I’m going to take a break from posting so much on this thread. Stop running my mouth or keyboard that is. Let the rest of you have a go.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:31 pm
As Joe’s written over and over, now is the time for the Bucs to identify and draft a quarterback they believe can be their “franchise” guy. What round of the draft that is in is unknown.
I doubt it would be at pick #7 due to no true franchise QB’s in this draft. These QB’s are all a project in one way or another, especially Johnny Football. That’s not to say that a couple of these guys could develop into a franchise QB two or three years down the road. My money is on Murray!
April 17th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
@87- I guess I’m just one of the few Bucs fans that don’t the Bucs payed McCown $10mil to hold a clipboard. Lovie himself used Rex Grossman to get to a Super Bowl. Our Bucs won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson and the Ravens won one with Trent Dilfer. If QB was our biggest need I would be all for one of the “Big 3”. But the fact is our O-line is in shambles and the only WR worth a damn is Vjax.
If Mancrush is drafted by the Bucs so be it. He will be a Bucs QB and I will support him, though probably not as much as Mancrushers like Joe and Eric. But that is not the case right now and I don’t think it ever will be.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Still don’t see a franchise QB in the cards for the Bucs. Better selection next year anyways, if Bucs willing to trade up. With Williams sent packing to Buffalo, we’d better replace him with either Watkins or Evans in Round 1 if they’re available. If neither is, grabbing Robinson or Matthews and using whichever one we get at OG for a couple years makes sense to me (I’ve read that both can play OG if need be). If no WR in Round 1, grab the best available WR in Round 2. If there happens to be a QB steal in Rounds 3-7, great. But if not, I hope L&L grab some OLs, WRs, LBs, TEs, DLs, or DEs in remaining rounds, in that order.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
“If the Bucs strike now, then they don’t put themselves a year behind in the process of returning Tampa Bay to the ultimate glory.”
Or they could set it back another 5 years like they did with Freeman.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:44 pm
JOE Is right on his one! We do need to at last develop a Franchise QB. We have never had one in the history of the Bucs. Lovie knows if he develops one now that he can establish a dynasty here to carry him all the way to his retirement in grand style. Why do you think he lined up Tedford as his OC even before he was hired–hint, Tedford developed Rogers into a Franchise QB, who then sat and learned from an experienced NFL QB (no wonder Lovie brought in Josh). Are you seeing the handwriting on the wall? THIS REPORT IS NO SMOKE–Sorry Glennon fans. He will have to wait for his sugar daddy “Shiano” to land another NFL HC job before he is a starter, and he best not hold his breath for that. The QB he unfairly leapfrogged over, Orlovsky, is now the number 2 QB for the Lions and as often as Stafford is hurt, Orlovsky could be their permanent starter before the year is done.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:45 pm
Site running better for anyone out there now?
April 17th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
Harry says :
“it then becomes The QB Guru Tedford’s job to turn him into a star.”
Harry it should read like this. It now becomes the college QB guru who turned out NFL QB flops job to turn him into a star.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
To hell with smart phones Joe.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
I don’t know why any Bucs fan would laugh at having another team trade ahead of them to take a possible franchise QB. That doesnt sound like a real Bucs fan to me. If Glennon can take the job from Mckown and anyone else we draft at #7 then more power to him. He has to earn it with massively improved play. But Joe is right we need to take a QB in either rounds 1 or 2 as McCown is at end of his career and MG is still a work in progress who doesnt look to have ‘it’. I’d like that pick to be Manziel or Mancrush as all the fake Bucs fans call him. He is the only one in the draft with the cache, swagger and talent to possibly be a star.
April 17th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
” The QB he unfairly leapfrogged over, Orlovsky, is now the number 2 QB for the Lions and as often as Stafford is hurt, Orlovsky could be their permanent starter before the year is done.”
Owlykat…you say this as if you have full confidence in Orlovsky. Really?
April 17th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
the thing is if we do get a qb in this draft we better get an OL and some wrs cause if we don’t I don’t care who the qb is they will be on there back 20 times a game cause there will b 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run and we wont have a passing game so I think we should keep the qbs we have n get better on the line and mre targets for the qb to throw to
April 17th, 2014 at 10:53 pm
We need Sammy @ 7…..or if he’s not there…..Evans!!! We can get a good QB in round 2 or 3….
April 17th, 2014 at 10:54 pm
Mr Magoo….you are obviously blind like the name suggests. How many 1st round QB’s ride the pine anymore in the NFL? Yet you suggest Glennon or McCown could beat them out. This is not high school where the best man wins the job. This is the NFL and the fans always want to see the shiny new toy.
Okay and don’t mention Aaron Rodgers as example with Favre as the starter. That point is moot.
Give me a break. You actually believe there would be a QB competition if the Bucs drafted a QB at 7? Really?
April 17th, 2014 at 10:59 pm
Mr Magoo says
“fake Bucs fans call him.”
Are there fake Buc fans on JBF? Where do you people come from?
EVERYONE that comes to JBF is a true Bucs fan. Especially the regular bloggers. There is nothing fake about them. Man you truly are blind. Perfect screen name buddy.
April 17th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
We better be attacking the WR and Guard position.. we are so god damn weak those positions
April 17th, 2014 at 11:16 pm
I agree that the Bucs are in a position to take a franchise QB. Big problem, there isn’t one this year worth taking in the top ten.
For those that keep saying that the Bucs never had a franchise QB, what do ya call Doug Wiiiams. He was the ultimate franchise QB.
April 17th, 2014 at 11:27 pm
I’m not convinced that any of the QB’s in this draft are the ‘face of the franchise for 10 years’ type of QB. Might be better to take one late and see if you can develop him for a couple of years or look to trade for one like maybe Mallett or Hoyer. Don’t want to make a 5 year mistake then have to start all over again
April 17th, 2014 at 11:29 pm
Draft a QBnot manziel, and have him play right bench. Sit out the rookie year learn from a 34??36?? Year old vet and get the feel of the playbook. I know “now a days” teams start 1st rounders, but we gotta be smart and take time to develop the kid. McCown can be a filler for one year and then backup. This draft class does not offer starting studs, but does have talent for future studs.
April 17th, 2014 at 11:31 pm
Over the last twenty years, the cohort of 1st round draft pick QBs with a rookie QB rating of at least 83.9 (MG8’s QB rating) or more includes the following names: Chad Pennington, Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Jake Locker, Cam Newton, and Robert Griffin III…….. all taken in the first round, and Pennington and Locker were included even though their rookie seasons comprised only 1 and 5 games respectively. BTW, that is the whole list. I did not leave anyone out. A few close ones included Joe Flacco (80.1), Steve McNair (81.7) and even Tim Tebow (82.1).
Out of 51 QB’s drafted in the first round over the last twenty years, only THREE threw for 19 or more TD’s in their ROOKIE years.
Some historical good quarterbacks chosen #1 overall who have thrown for at least 19 TD’s at least one season in their CAREERS have included:
Drew Bledsoe who had 7 of 14 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year.
Michael Vick who had 2 of 12 seasons >19 tds, but not until his 6th year.
C. Palmer who had 7 of 11 seasons with >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Eli Manning who had 8 of 10 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year.
Alex Smith who had only 1 of 9 seasons >19tds, but not until his 9th year.
Matthew Stafford who had 3 of 5 seasons >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Sam Bradford who had 1 of 4 seasons >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Even Peyton Manning who had 14 of 16 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year in the league.
BTW Tim Couch, David Carr, and Jamarcus Russell NEVER had a season with 19 tds, even though they were chosen #1 overall in the draft.
I am willing to bet that regardless of which team he plays for, that Johnny Manziel or your choice of any of the rookie QB’s will not beat the rookie year stats of Mike Glennon. Even if he ends up here with a much better supporting cast than MG8 had. And I fully admit that I have never seem JM play.
Specifically: 3 separate bets.
1) his QBR (minimum of 300 attempts) will be less than 83.9 for 2014.
2) his TD total will be less than 19 for his first thirteen games.
3) his TD/INT ratio will be less than 19/9 .
If he doesn’t play = I win the bet.
My reasons for the bets only have to do with historical statistics. Over the last twenty years, only 7 of 51 QB’s drafted in the first round have had a QBR > 83.9 in their rookie years. Only 3 of 51 have thrown for as many as 19 TDs in their ROOKIE season. And only 1 of 51 has had a TD/INT ratio > MG8′s 19/9! I would be ahead on the bet even if we’re discussing the last consensus “franchise” QB, i.e. Andrew Luck. He did throw for 23 TDs over his 16 game rookie season, but also had 18 INT’s, while posting a rookie QB rating of 76.5. So he fails to win two of the three bets vs. MG8′s stats.
Of those 51 QB’s chosen in the first round over the last TWENTY years, the only QB who would win all three of those bets is RG III during his rookie season. (QBR 102.4, 20 TDs, and only 5 INTs), which beats all three of MG8′s numbers for his rookie season. Of note, Russell Wilson did it as well during his rookie compaign (QBR 100.0, 26 TDs, and 10 INTs), but of course we all know he was only a lowly third round pick. Just a thought, perhaps the head coach or QB coach at NC State is the true QB guru we should hire.
tickrdr
So, the odds are less than 50% for any 1st round QB picked overall in the first round, or even picked as high as the 7th pick overall, or even IF they are the #1 pick overall in the entire draft, to have a season as good as MG8’s ROOKIE season, whether you are judging by QB rating, #td’s thrown, or the TD/INT ratio. Ever in their career. Doesn’t that intrigue any of you at all???
April 17th, 2014 at 11:41 pm
MAGOO,
April 17th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
It’s starting to look like we will have to go for Carr at 7 because his stock is shooting up and he will not slip out of the 20s.
April 17th, 2014 at 11:53 pm
I’d take manziel or watkins if there at 7… maybe Bridgewater, bortles, Evans. Not really sold on those three at 7 ,but would take any of them… Rather trade down. Still have a shot at one of those guys in the teens if you really wanted him
April 17th, 2014 at 11:57 pm
Derek Carr coming to town!!!! ~Leader of the Carr mob
April 18th, 2014 at 12:01 am
Of all of the 51 QBs chosen in the FIRST round over the last twenty years, the cohort of 1st round draft pick QBs with a rookie QB rating of 83.9 (MG8’s QB rating) or more includes the following names: Chad Pennington, Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Jake Locker, Cam Newton, and Robert Griffin III…….. all taken in the first round, and Pennington and Locker were included even though their rookie seasons comprised only 1 and 5 games respectively. BTW, that is the whole list. I did not leave anyone out. A few close ones included Joe Flacco (80.1), Steve McNair (81.7) and even Tim Tebow (82.1).
Out of 51 QB’s drafted in the first round over the last twenty years, only THREE threw for 19 or more TD’s in their ROOKIE years: Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, and RG III.
Some historical good quarterbacks chosen #1 overall who have thrown for at least 19 TD’s at least one season in their CAREERS have included:
Drew Bledsoe who had 7 of 14 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year.
Michael Vick who had 2 of 12 seasons >19 tds, but not until his 6th year.
C. Palmer who had 7 of 11 seasons with >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Eli Manning who had 8 of 10 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year.
Alex Smith who had only 1 of 9 seasons >19tds, but not until his 9th year.
Matthew Stafford who had 3 of 5 seasons >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Sam Bradford who had 1 of 4 seasons >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Even Peyton Manning who had 14 of 16 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year in the league.
BTW Tim Couch, David Carr, and Jamarcus Russell NEVER had a season with 19 tds, even though they were chosen #1 overall in the draft.
I am willing to bet that regardless of which team he plays for, that Johnny Manziel, or any of the other rookie QBs, will not beat the rookie year stats of Mike Glennon. Even if he ends up here with a much better supporting cast than MG8 had. And I fully admit that I have never seem JM or the others play, as I never watch college football.
Specifically: 3 separate bets.
1) his QBR (minimum of 300 attempts) will be less than 83.9 for 2014.
2) his TD total will be less than 19 for his first thirteen games.
3) his TD/INT ratio will be less than 19/9 .
If he doesn’t play = I win the bet.
My reasons for the bets only have to do with historical statistics. Over the last twenty years:
Only 7 of 51 QB’s drafted in the FIRST round have had a QBR > 83.9 in their rookie years. Only 3 of 51 have thrown for as many as 19 TDs in their ROOKIE season.
And only 1 of 51 has had a TD/INT ratio > MG8′s 19/9!
I would be ahead on the bet even if we’re discussing the last consensus “franchise” QB, i.e. Andrew Luck. He did throw for 23 TDs over his 16 game rookie season, but also had 18 INT’s, while posting a rookie QB rating of 76.5. So he fails to win two of the three bets vs. MG8′s stats.
Of all of those 51 QB’s chosen in the first round, to my knowledge the only QB drafted in the first round who would win all three of those bets is RG III during his rookie season. (QBR 102.4, 20 TDs, and only 5 INTs).
Of note, Russell Wilson did it as well during his rookie compaign (QBR 100.0, 26 TDs, and 10 INTs), but of course we all know he was only a lowly third round pick. Just a thought, perhaps the head coach or QB coach at NC State is the true QB guru.
tickrdr
April 18th, 2014 at 12:04 am
Question: Do long posts automatically get sent to moderation, before they are posted to the website?
April 18th, 2014 at 12:04 am
Wishlist 1- clowney
2- manziel
3- Watkins
Be fine with oline pick or trade down.. whatever happens I kno we will be better than last year…just don’t kno if it’s gonna be one win better or seven wins better… Hopefully it’s playoffs better
April 18th, 2014 at 12:08 am
Of all of the 51 QBs chosen in the FIRST round over the last twenty years, the cohort of 1st round draft pick QBs with a rookie QB rating of 83.9 (MG8’s QB rating) or more includes the following names: Chad Pennington, Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Jake Locker, Cam Newton, and Robert Griffin III…….. all taken in the first round, and Pennington and Locker were included even though their rookie seasons comprised only 1 and 5 games respectively. BTW, that is the whole list. I did not leave anyone out. A few close ones included Joe Flacco (80.1), Steve McNair (81.7) and even Tim Tebow (82.1).
April 18th, 2014 at 12:09 am
Out of 51 QB’s drafted in the first round over the last twenty years, only THREE threw for 19 or more TD’s in their ROOKIE years: Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, and RG III.
Some historical good quarterbacks chosen #1 overall who have thrown for at least 19 TD’s at least one season in their CAREERS have included:
Drew Bledsoe who had 7 of 14 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year.
Michael Vick who had 2 of 12 seasons >19 tds, but not until his 6th year.
C. Palmer who had 7 of 11 seasons with >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Eli Manning who had 8 of 10 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year.
Alex Smith who had only 1 of 9 seasons >19tds, but not until his 9th year.
Matthew Stafford who had 3 of 5 seasons >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Sam Bradford who had 1 of 4 seasons >19tds, but not until his 3rd year.
Even Peyton Manning who had 14 of 16 seasons >19tds, but not until his 2nd year in the league.
BTW Tim Couch, David Carr, and Jamarcus Russell NEVER had a season with 19 tds, even though they were chosen #1 overall in the draft.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:10 am
Mr Magoo says
“I don’t know why any Bucs fan would laugh at having another team trade ahead of them to take a possible franchise QB.”
Sorry to keep ragging on ya Magoo but. You we’re speaking about WalkDaPlank’s comment about laughing if the Vikes traded up ahead of the Bucs and took Manziel. You said you don’t know why he would laugh.
He would laugh at Joe’s expense. That’s what he’s talking about.
I said I would be HAPPY if the Vikes did that. Why would I be happy? Because any team (they still have the same GM) that drafted Christian Ponder in the first round to be their QB is surely clueless when it comes to the quarterback position. I’ll add I’m one of the biggest Noles fans there is and Ponder was no where near 1st round talent. If they trade up and draft Manziel then that would validate my opinion of Manziel coming into this draft. A flop waiting to happen. So I would be happy and WalkDaPlank would laugh.
I’m just going to laugh if Johnny is still on the board at 7 and the Bucs pass on him. That would be at Joe’s expense of course after the barrage of Manziel material over the last 2 months. Yes Joe it’s been a barrage, but hey you do what you do and do it well. Why change now?
If Manziel is there at 7 and the Bucs pass on him I might start to be a little less negative about the direction of our team. That would mean that L&L have a clue.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:10 am
Not a huge fan of Carr in this qb class rather see jimmy g murray
April 18th, 2014 at 12:14 am
Not saying id be mad if they passed on manziel but he would bring excitement to Tampa and if he can bring just a little spark to our offense we would be a threat with our defense…just like Russel Wilson and the Seahawks
April 18th, 2014 at 12:21 am
All this ga ga talk about a “franchise QB” by Buc fans and they all seen the same thing I did when the Bucs won the Super Bowl. Brad Johnson holding the Lombardi trophy.
WTH is wrong with you people? Did you not see what Seattle did to Peyton freaking Manning? Did you forget our “glory” years? For some apparently so. “It’s a QB driven league nowadays” if I had nickel for every time I heard that. Then I saw what Seattle did to a future HOF in the SB.
I have longed for a franchise QB for our team. They’ve never had one. On the other hand I also saw that it’s not a requirement to win…and so did you.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:22 am
All this ga ga talk about a “franchise QB” by Buc fans and they all seen the same thing I did when the Bucs won the Super Bowl. Br-ad Johnson holding the Lombardi trophy.
WTH is wrong with you people? Did you not see what Seattle did to Peyton freaking Manning? Did you forget our “glory” years? For some apparently so. “It’s a QB driven league nowadays” if I had nickel for every time I heard that. Then I saw what Seattle did to a future HOF in the SB.
I have longed for a franchise QB for our team. They’ve never had one. On the other hand I also saw that it’s not a requirement to win…and so did you.
Sorry this is going to double post. For some reason the site filters out the name Br-ad.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:22 am
Hopefully the Bucs don’t waste a 1st rd pock on a QB that doesn’t deserve to be 1st rd. That would be all QBs in this draft. Only reason they are going 1st rd is need. We aren’t in a need situation at QB since we signed McCown. We can draft a true 2nd rd QB though and develop that kid into a franchise QB. We need an immediate impact player in rd 1. I believe that to be a WR or D personnel.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:27 am
buchead407 says :
“just like Russel Wilson and the Seahawks”
I see you’re point, but that is Russell Wilson, not Manziel. Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round. I call that getting lucky. It happens look at Br-ady. Perhaps that’s where Johhny belongs being drafted too. The 3rd round.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:37 am
Let’s not confuse Russell Wilson with Tony Banks.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:39 am
The year the Bucs won the Super Bowl, they had a Pro Bowl quarterback behind center, NOT Trent Dilfer.
But let’s not let facts get in the way of a misguided tirade.
April 18th, 2014 at 12:45 am
Joe —
No.
The site keeps kicking me over to dragon or candy games. Does it 3 –4 times in a row, especially if I enlarge type or go to comments.
Have had occasional problems before but today it has been very difficult to navigate and becomes impossible to use, as it first redirects away from this site and then opens a purchase app site that wants to run scripts. Sure you have seen it but the effect today is huge.
This is why Joe was asking, as the intermittent problem for some mobile readers is being addressed. –Joe
April 18th, 2014 at 12:46 am
This happens to Joe at times, too. Click the back button and it vanishes. (This method works for Joe on his iPad as well.)
If that doesn’t work, not sure what to say. Maybe if you change the font size on your defaults this would be a workaround?
April 18th, 2014 at 12:49 am
Joe doesn’t understand the logic that, X-team drafted a quarterback and he failed so the Bucs should never draft another quarterback? So you are OK with the Bucs never drafting another defensive end because DaQuan Bowers and Gaines Adams sucked?
April 18th, 2014 at 12:59 am
Here is another possible scenario. If we could possibly find a QB hungry team wishing to trade up a couple of spots we could take the extra pick plus choose TE Ebron. Think about it… A jimmy graham type TE is a “non-elite” qb’s best friend. Take Garrapolo in the 2nd round and best WR next (many good WRs then)…. Could work.
April 18th, 2014 at 1:07 am
Joe, i get re-routed twice everytime i come onto the site. Once to a web page & the second to the App Store. Not really ideal, but i don’t consider it an inconvenience.
April 18th, 2014 at 1:26 am
I never get rerouted or pop ups. Or any type if glitch on here weird to see all the complaints
April 18th, 2014 at 1:27 am
Carr has the release, the arm strength, and athleticism to get the job done!
I am starting to like the thought of picking him at 7.
April 18th, 2014 at 1:28 am
Haha, so I guess I’m not a true Bucs fan because I doubt the future of an NFL prospect who has yet to take a snap in the NFL? So because I would laugh at the idea of an overhyped prospect (who has never worn a Bucs uniform outside of photoshop) being taken a spot ahead of the Bucs and disappointing all the people on his bandwagon makes me a fake fan?
Alrighty then.
April 18th, 2014 at 1:39 am
So calling Manziel “Mancrush” because of a play on words with his name and that JBF has a mancrush on him also makes me a fake fan?
By that logic Joe would be a fake fan for names such as sleepy, leaky, Rip Van Freeman, Sabby the Goat, DJ Toes on the Line, Myron “9 Lives” Lewis, and that thing he always does when introducing Peter King. I’m sure I left some out.
I personally like the nicknames found here, most of them are clever and funny.
April 18th, 2014 at 1:47 am
@Architek – I think Carr would be a reach @7. But he may be the perfect QB for Tedford’s offense. If the Bucs could somehow trade back and get him that would be awesome. Though if all of the Big 3 are gone I don’t see him getting past the Vikes @8 by popular demand. I personally don’t think he is a top 10 talent.
April 18th, 2014 at 1:56 am
I still say pick Evans at #7 or trade down.
April 18th, 2014 at 2:48 am
Buc1987 Says
“Joe you say this as if QB was what made the Bucs so great during the glory years. It’s a f’in shame.”
Our division was nothing like what it is now. Falcon had Vick. Panther had no one, and the Saints were still trying to make a bust work.
Now, every other team has a good offense. If we and the Panthers, for example, have great defenses, then our offense will have to be better than theirs. NFC South is quickly becoming the toughest division in the league.
April 18th, 2014 at 3:27 am
I’d be pretty damn shocked if we don’t pick a QB with one of our first 2 picks. As much as I’d love Johnny Football, I have a sneaky feeling it’s going to be Carr or Garrapolo (however you spell his name). If we do pick a QB in one of the first two rounds, I don’t see how we keep Glennon. If we do get Johnny Football maybe we’d keep 3 QB’s for insurance, but otherwise I don’t see it. Seems to be as though we would probably try to use him as draft day trade bait. I have no idea what we could get for him though. It should be really interesting.
April 18th, 2014 at 8:02 am
As the saying goes…..”Defense wins championship and offense sells tickets.”
I still have an old Brad Johnson jersey! There are NO franchise quarterbacks in this draft, therefore, focus on the line of scrimmage with this draft and build a contender this year.
April 18th, 2014 at 8:10 am
@tickrdr
So you are comparing QB ratings to make your argument?? Did you not see Joe’s post about the old QB rating?? There is a reason ESPN came out with the Total QBR…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Quarterback_Rating
There’s a link to read the differences if Joe allows the link.. If not Google Total QBR and the wiki site will pop up.
Glennon was 27th out of the starters that qualified…Let that sink in for a moment… 27th! His Total QBR was 45.6(50 is average).. I just love that your crutch was 19TD to 9INT…
@Everyone
Fact of the matter is that Lovie has come out and said his QB will have mobility and doesn’t turn the ball over(probably doesn’t want them to be eating sacks like it’s a designed play either)…He had 9INT in 13 games and 7 fumbles(4 lost)… He was also sacked 40 times in those same 13 games… Now don’t get me wrong Glennon showed he had more mobility than I thought he would last year(which isn’t saying much still) but the kid doesn’t fit Lovie’s mold of a QB… I don’t wish bad things upon any person with their profession and hope he is successful whether it is with the Bucs or some other team… BTW starting and winning SB’s isn’t the only way to be successful… Playing a game for 9 or 10 years and getting paid MILLIONS of dollars is successful to me
April 18th, 2014 at 8:33 am
I get rerouted on here all the time. If it were Winston sitting @ no 7 you’d be obligated to take him but since he’s not in the draft get a receiver or OT. Plenty oh QBs in the 3rd round.
April 18th, 2014 at 9:00 am
I’m w u walkdaplank put me down for Aaron Murray in the second rd. he would hv been in the convo as one of the top Qb’s had he not blown out his knee. Heck he was in the heisman race in the middle of last season. Mike Evans all day w that first pick. It has to b a slam dunk pick and neither of these Qb’s r a slam dunk. Charlie Campbell of sports nation who use to report for pewter report is saying that if Bortles is there at 7 he will b the pick. He def has the inside scoop on all things Bucs but I sure hope he’s wrong.
April 18th, 2014 at 9:27 am
BuccaneerBonzai …I guess the #1 ranked Raiders offense in the SB doesn’t compare to those division foes they face in the South in you’re mind.
The Panthers won the division with the 26th ranked offense.
April 18th, 2014 at 9:37 am
Bucs might take a QB in the first round, but if they do it’s because they traded back into the first rd to get one lol
April 18th, 2014 at 10:00 am
I would still take mike Evans over any of these qbs
April 18th, 2014 at 10:09 am
Buc1987: How do you propose the Bucs put together anything comparable to a decent offense without another wide out to spread the field and take the double teams away from Vincent Jackson? Did we just pay $5 mil a year to McCown to have him sit on the bench? If they draft a 1st round QB in the draft, that doesn’t mean he is the starter. He will sit for a good portion of the year and if he does play, it will come in games that don’t matter. Tampa doesn’t have the luxury to wait. Lovie and Licht preach the “win now” philosophy, so they need to put pieces on the field that will help the team win in the short term. Had they not traded Mike Williams then it would be a different case, and I would be right there with you hoping for one of the top signal callers..But the fact of the matter is their receiving corp is a joke right now with the exception of Vincent Jackson. There will be decent quarterbacks available going into the 3rd round no doubt, however by then the top WRs will be off the board…
Mike Evans is a physical freak…There’s no doubt about it. His sheer size and speed provides more than enough evidence without mentioning his great hands. He is the closest thing to Calvin Johnson size-wise coming out this year. Moreover he would form a great tandem with an aging VJax that would actually give our offense some teeth. Without drafting a receiver, teams can just double him, stuff 8 in the box, and slow our running game down to a trickle. Adversely, if they draft a WR in the 1st like they should, that will not just open up passing lanes but also help our running game as well.
April 18th, 2014 at 10:19 am
Someone told me that the Bucs will take WR first and QB [think Tampa HS star] second……………
April 18th, 2014 at 10:43 am
To address comments that the Bucs have never had a franchise QB I say hogwash. Doug Williams was one we kept (and like most did better on other teams), and the guy they gave up on and traded away too early named Steve Young turned out to be pretty good too. Not saying Glennon is the second coming of Young, but I can’t understand why some of the local media and Bucs fans are so quick to write this guy off? At least see how he plays this year before pining for unproven college QB projects whose only qualification is they passed the JBF eyeball test on looking like a franchise QB
April 18th, 2014 at 10:56 am
@ BuccaneerMen.weebly.com
You shut your mouth!
We’re drafting Johnny Manziel amnd we’re doing whatever it takes to get him.
I’ve personally drained my bank account and used it for merchandising.
Johnny is the messiah.
April 18th, 2014 at 11:22 am
You don’t need a star QB to win in this game anymore, You need a game manager. Last year’s NFC championship game featured 2 QBs who weren’t even drafted in the first 2 rounds. But they had strong defenses, nice receiving corp and a strong running game.
April 18th, 2014 at 11:34 am
This QB class are fringe first rounders at best. Of course, that’s my opinion. That being said, there’s no reason to believe that they cannot be groomed to be a “franchise” QB. I just think that QB at #7 is too high for this crop.
The draft can’t come soon enough. I’m tired of speculating.
April 18th, 2014 at 11:42 am
If were gonna get a QB, for once lets quit messing around.
Do what it takes to get Johnny Football.
Head and shoulders above the rest.
April 18th, 2014 at 11:48 am
Pitt QB Tom Savage is shooting up the draft boards and was invited to be in the green room. Falcons slaughtered by a Savage at RayJay!!
April 18th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Phillip Says:
April 18th, 2014 at 8:10 am
@tickrdr
So you are comparing QB ratings to make your argument?? Did you not see Joe’s post about the old QB rating??
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OK, don’t use the QB rating at all, if you prefer. But then don’t try to use one which has been “massaged” to get a result you want. In fact, if you really think Glennon was that bad, you could also say that he was tied for last in FG percentage in the whole of football: NFL, college and even high school.
Depending on what statistic you use, you will invariably list someone who doesn’t really belong among the elite, but even Joe’s list managed to capture quite a few of the good ones. If you were grading women, lots of guys would want one with large breasts, but if you decide to only judge by that criteria, I’m not sure you would want all of them.
If choosing a “franchise” QB from the first round is the only way to get one, how come ONLY THREE of the 51 chosen in the first round over the last twenty years could throw for as many as 19 TDs in their rookie seasons? ( Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Cam Newton) Again Russell Wilson did it too, as did MG8, but they were only lowly third round picks. (BTW, Mike did it in 13 games) As I noted previously, maybe we should get the head coach or QB coach from NC State as our QB guru.
tickrdr
April 18th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
@tickrdr
So you want to totally dismiss a stat that ACTUALLY measures negatives other than INT because its not as good as his QB rating?? Okay?? EVEN USING your beloved QB rating he was STILL 21st.. The game has changed but you want to ignore that as well? QB’s didn’t regularly throw for 4k and 35+ TD’s but I guess you haven’t been watching football for the past 5 years?
Your amazing stat about 1st round QB’s really matters when Rivers, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Ryan, Smith, RGIII, Luck, Newton, Manning, Manning, Palmer, Tannehill, Flacco, and Rodgers were ALL 1st round picks compared to the non first round picks…
Brady(6th) Romo(UDFA) Brees(1st pick in the 2nd round) Wilson(First round grade 3rd round height) Kap(4th pick in the 2nd round) Dalton(3rd pick in the 2nd round) Foles(3rd)
Please stop with your useless stat when the majority of starting QB’s that are successful were drafted in the 1ST ROUND…
April 18th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
I hate when I write a comment and it doesn’t even say awaiting moderation it just doesn’t show up for no apparent reason till hours later and gets put in the slot when you actually submitted it… Wish there was some kind of guide line to avoid words that does this thing….
April 18th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
Buc1987 Says
“BuccaneerBonzai …I guess the #1 ranked Raiders offense in the SB doesn’t compare to those division foes they face in the South in you’re mind.
The Panthers won the division with the 26th ranked offense.”
And they didn’t go all the way because they lacked in offense.
The Seahawks did go all the way with defense…and an offense that scored an average of 24 points per game in the regular season.
And so far as the Raiders, it was a different time. The nfl didn’t have all these rule changes that favor offense. Not to mention, as all the defensive players from our superbowl KNEW THE PLAYS because the Raiders used Gruden’s playbook.
Just like offense alone cannot win a superbowl (see Broncos), defense alone can’t get you there either.
April 18th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
Unless mack/clowney are there at 7…expect the buccs to either a) trade down or draft an offensive player. I’m not huge on mike evans, but most are saying that’s our guy in mocks. Sucks mike williams couldnt handle family issues because he was a legit number two for us. I expect the Buccs to mostly draft o with help needed at receiver, qb, and oline.