Jeff Tedford: “Offensive Genius”
April 8th, 2014
Doug Martin also spoke about Mike Williams
Joe just finished a media chat with Doug Martin, and Martin was dripping with sweat, fresh from the weight room. He’s healthy and fired up to win a Super Bowl.
Martin said Lovie Smith dropped the “S” word to the team, as in “Super Bowl.” And Martin had other things to say, as well.
One thing of note, Martin called Jeff Tedford a “genius” twice and said he had nice chat with former Tedford running back at “Cal,” Shane Vereen, who assured Martin he’d love his new offensive coordinator. The “genius” label really struck Joe; Martin’s only seen the guy talk football for one day.
Martin also called Mike Williams “misunderstood” and a good guy, and he was certain he’ll be successful in Buffalo.
Stick with Joe for much more throughout the day.
April 8th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
I like Martin, but given whom he’s been around the past 2 years, I’m not going to get too excited about Martin thinking Tedford is an offensive genius.
If Vincent Jackson or even Josh McCown came out and said that, given their experience and variety of playcallers they’ve worked with, then maybe that would be a little more note worthy.
Of course, perhaps Tedford’s just a great pitch guy, and can sell anything to a room full of players, who went 4-12 last year, and are just eager to get back to some winning football.
April 8th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
He’ll be a genius if he can score without a #2 and #3 WR.. It really suck that the draft is so far away..
April 8th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
What exactly did Tedford teach all those good college QB’s that he sent to the NFL? How to suck in the NFL?
Like I said on a post last night. Steve Spurrier is a college offensive genuis too. How did that work out for the Skins.
April 8th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
I could look like a genius OC after what we have seen the last several years. Better yet, I wish I had been a DC plotting against the Bucs the last several years. I’d be a head coach. If Pettine can be a head coach so could I!
April 8th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
@Buc1987
how many successful headcoaches have he skins had?
April 8th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
Might be Spurrier or might be Kelly. All we can do is hope for the best. It’s going to be crazy long offseason.
If he bombs, people are going to freak out over going with an OC and a QB coach neither with an iota of NFL experience.
I’m just crossing my fingers at this point.
April 8th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
@1987,
So let me get this straight: you blame Tedford for his QB’s not being successful in the NFL, when he’s no longer coaching them? Do you realize how ridiculous that reasoning is? And I didn’t realize that Qb from Green Bay sucks. I know you r boy Schiano is gone and you’re still a little butt hurt, but you can do better than that.
April 8th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
@T in Orlando
Don’t forget that he also played in an offensive system that was lighting up the NCAA at Boise St
April 8th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
I know this could bite me in my ass, but I love Tedford. I’m more than a little excited to see what he does with the offense.
For every Spurrier there is a Chip Kelly.
For every Schiano there is a Jimmy Johnson.
I’m just praying we have a Jimmy Johnson on our hands…. A Jimmy Johnson that just wants to be coordinator and not a head coach.
I would be very interested to know the success rate of college head coach offensive geniuses that became an OC in the NFL rather than a head coach.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
@ Buc1987
You cannot blame Tedford for the failings of his players once they reached the NFL. He coached them up, so that they played well enough to get drafted very high. Keep in mind, most of them went to average or below average teams (or Expansion Teams).
I’m not saying he will come in and revolutionize NFL Offense, just saying you can’t fault him for players that are no longer receiving his coaching.
If anything, I would look at his work with those players as a plus, showing he got the most out them, which is the most you can ask for with any coach.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Pete Carroll taught a bunch of college QB’s how to suck too. Too bad he’s had such a terrible career in the NFL.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
No Joe we don’t really want to know what people thought and think about Mike Williams. He is gone.
I promise he’s not coming back.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
Vereen’s only worked with Tom Brady. Some of us have seen Cal highlights and know why Coach Smith hired Tedford. Go to you tube and check them out. Sweets out.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
Johnny Football can play receiver too!!
April 8th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Hawaiian Buc …what it says is maybe he’s ONLY good for “college” QB’s against college teams.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
I don’t know how he is going to survive without Mike Williams.
The straw that stirred the drink for all our recent great offensive teams.
Pretty much irreplaceable. Freakish talent.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Martin played for a certified offensive genius in Chris Petersen, he should know one when he hears and sees him…
April 8th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
What I’m trying to say is. There are many on here from what I’ve read since his hiring that think he is going to make a good transition judging by how they word things when he is talked about. Tedford will do this and Tedford will get the most of Doug Martin and such and such and such. This confidence in him has been going on. There has been a few of us that aren’t so confident about it.
The fact that he got his QB’s into the NFL only for most of them to suck in NFL, is one reason to worry in imo.
Hawaiian…Pete Carroll has already been an NFL coach Hawaiian with N.E.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
@1987,
No, it doesn’t say anything. Absolutely nothing at all. What about all his successful NFL players, because there’s a ton? So by your flawed reasoning, are you only counting the success of the Qb as your basis for how successful he will be? Go ahead and name me a college coach with multiple great pro QB’S. I didn’t realize elite QB’s were easy to groom.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:29 pm
“So by your flawed reasoning, are you only counting the success of the Qb as your basis for how successful he will be?”
How does one ask a question when the answer is already going to be received as flawed anyways by the person asking the question?
April 8th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
@ Joe
Concerning Mike Williams, I’ve noticed that you always fail to mention the fact that he accrued thousands of dollars in fines and penalties last year for continually failing to show up for his team scheduled appointments to receive rehab on his surgically repaired hamstring. Just an observation
April 8th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
Do you expect Martin to NOT gush over the new OC? First of all, this is pro sports, athletes are only going to say most positive things until there is something negative to be addressed.
Second, Tedford prob does seem like a genius after the pathetic playbook Sully had Martin learning for the last 2 years. No NFL experience obviously scares me, but everyone has to start somewhere. Until it stinks in the field, I’m remaining optimistic and excited about what the new look of our offense is going to be.
Of course we need some OL and WR help.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
Is it me, or do the comments get a little more dickier (hope I spelt that right) during the offseason? I could be wrong but I remember a bunch of grumpy Gusses last year at this time, then it kind of calmed down a little around November or so. But now, people are getting the “political talk” kind of angry lately.
Either way, I’m enjoying the show.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
There really is only one true offensive genius in the world of football: Gus Malzahn. If Lovie flames out quick with two losinng seasons, the Bucs should do whatever they can to get Gus. I want a true offensive genius running the show.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
@Chef
I’m guessing everyone is a little nervous about the draft…lol. I know I am.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
An article from 2005 on BSPN.com.
“On at least two occasions during his tenure as Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager, Rich McKay attempted to hire Jeff Tedford as the team’s offensive coordinator.”
“McKay doesn’t regard it as a slight that he was jilted both times by Tedford, a longtime college offensive coordinator and quarterbacks guru and current coach at the University of California. In fact, McKay, now the general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, seems to take it more as a personal affront when queried about the so-called “Tedford Factor,” an allusion to the coach’s flawed track record of preparing quarterbacks for the pro game.” -By Len Pasquarelli
So yes I’m worried that if his QB’s could not make the leap to the NFL, that maybe the coach might not make the leap as well.
It’s not the main reason of course, but it is one of them. We’ll see soon enough.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
During Martin NFL time all he has had is 1950’s Offense run by Sullivan and Shiano. Even I would look genius and creative.
April 8th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
Again, what about Aaron Rodgers? Wouldn’t you classify his jump to the NFL as successful? I would venture to say he’s been pretty good, but that’s just me. How many QB’s did Pete Carroll groom to be great NFL QB’s? How many All-Pro Qb’s has Chip Kelly groomed? If you want to go back further into history, how many did Jimmy Johnson groom? Instead of b!tching and moaning about all things Bucs, why don’t you go ahead and tell me who the great and educated Buc1987 would have hired as an OC. I mean, since you have so many complaints that the wonderful 4-12 staff and players of 2013 has been dismantled, who would you have brought in? But it’s so much easier to complain from your keyboard.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
Hawaiian Buc …who’s complaining? Worried yes. Complaining no.
“why don’t you go ahead and tell me who the great and educated Buc1987 would have hired as an OC.”
There once again, you think we call the shots. We don’t, we are just fans with opinions.
Hawaiian Buc…regarding the 4-12 team. Were you not one of the many fans on here that said throughout the season that Schiano was given enough talent to win?
Apparently Lovie didn’t think so, because now half of that supposed “talent” is gone.
If you were not one of them, you still have to admit there was many fans that said it.
A team 2 years removed from a 7-9 season just got rid of 1/2 of it’s roster and that has me worried, Lovie or no Lovie. If Schiano had gotten rid of Revis, Penn, Zuttah, Williams etc etc etc. I’d be willing to bet many Buc fans would have lost there f’in minds or atleast call him everything from dumb college coach to moron, but Lovie has experience so it’s okay for him to do it.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:08 pm
Yeah Buc1987,
Make up your mind! You’re for this team or against. I’m getting tired of your constant sniping at the new leadership. Your guy is dead, never to return. Now get with our team or it’s going to be hell up in here!
I’m in a wheelchair since Desert Storm but I didn’t lose my taste for the fight. Let me know where you would like to go from here, cause I’d love the taste of red meat for a change! I ain’t sked a ya!!!!
April 8th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
“Again, what about Aaron Rodgers?”
I read somewhere that Rodgers had to change his entire style of play when he came to the NFL and was retaught by some other dude while he sat on the bench behind Favre.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
I am cautiously optomistic about Tedford for two reasons.
#1 (Pro-Tedford). He took high school players and turned them into star college players. He got them playing successfully at a higher level. IMO, it’s completely irrelevant that some of his players weren’t as successful at the next level(NFL). That was not his job.
#2(Anti-Tedford).I am afraid that Lovie is too much like Dungy (re: Chicago) and we will see the kind of offense that Lovie wants to run, regardless of Tedfords innovations/etc.
If the former is the case, Buc fans may witness a ‘new era’ of Buc offense.
If the latter is the case, I hope the Glazers don’t waste three years of talent before pulling the plug.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Mumbles…I don’t care about Schiano at all. I do think Lovie might be over-doing though. Nobody is sniping. It’s called not being all rah rah rah were going to be great without seeing a snap. The same goes for me as well as far as the snap thing goes and being negative.
I’m going to lean negative as long as this team keeps sucking and JBF has so many homers.
What a difference a year makes. Last year I was called a homer left and right by just about everyone on JBF. I was Odie from Garfield with my tongue wagging out waiting for a great season. That had nothing to do with the coach either.
One thing JBF taught me last year is this. You can be the most negative Bucs fan there is and be just as big a Buc fan as the positive ones.
Go Bucs, Go Lovie.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
“I’m getting tired of your constant sniping at the new leadership.”
Another thing I learned from JBF last year too. It’s easy to skip over certain peoples comments. Like last summer for instance. I used to skip over many of the regular negative posters comments from time to time. It is that simple.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Buc1987,
I ain’t got no hate for you or nobody. PTSD is a terrible illness to have and I’m winning. Don’t get my words wrong. I’m talking about the debate. I left war behind and love where I am right now.
Good to hear that you love the Bucs too. We can all disagree, but this a Bucs blog and we’re all supposed to want them to win. Sorry if I sounded angry, I’m not! Just a passionate Buc fan. I love ya, man!
April 8th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
Let me go ahead and help you out with the differences between Schiano and Lovie, because apparently you struggle with that. First of all, Lovie is an accomplished and experienced NFL Head Coach. Regardless of how many try to knock him for different things, bottom line is he won a lot of games in the NFL, and he is very well respected by coaches, players, and front office members. None of that can be said about Schiano.
Second, with every cut Lovie has made, he has brought in a very capable replacement. I hate losing Revis, but he brought in a fellow Pro Bowler in Verner (for about 1/4 of the price I might add). Schiano cut players to bring in guys from Rutgers.
There won’t be any loss of control from Lovie. He will be in complete control of this team in the locker room, as well as on the field. All that crap that happened with Freeman last year won’t happen under Schiano.
Yes, I do think Schiano’s team had talent. I still do. Not enough talent to compete for a championship, but enough to win more than 4 games. However, there were HUGE holes, and many of which can be pointed directly at decisions made by Schiano (and I guess to a point, Dominik). He got rid of guys that he didn’t like, without a replacement (or one that attended college in New Jersey). Anytime there is a coaching change, there is usually going to be a roster overhaul. They have to have players that fit the system they are going to run. If we learned anything from the original DC under the Raheem era (can’t think of his name right now), it’s that you have to match your personnel to the scheme. Lovie getting rid of those guys doesn’t mean they couldn’t play, but they weren’t the right fit, or the right value, for what he wants to do. Add to that a new GM and you’d be foolish to think we were going to have the same players.
Regardless, you’re going to twist things the way you want to. That’s your play. It’s just funny to me that you are the same guy that defended Freeman with a “I Love You Josh” sign, and bragged about it on this here site. You then proceeded just a few short weeks later to know about his drug habits, and claiming that he is the scum of the earth. You then defended Schiano as if he were the second coming of Bill Bellicheat. I think you are confused as to what you even feel, and who you support.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Listen, Tedford not only Coached Cal, before that he Coached the Ducks in a spread offense. Well, Kelly had no prior NFL experience either but he has done wonders with the Philly Offense just with his experience with the Ducks College Program. I see Tedford as being cut from the same cloth. While Lovie is no Offensive Coach he has worked with a number of them as a HC and knows the difference between good ones and bad ones. When Tedford and Lovie both had a year off they had plenty of time to learn from each other. If Lovie was impressed with Tedford’s knowledge of Offense, then that is really all I have to know.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
Mumbles..I think most everyone that blogs on JBF are passionate Buc fans.
I was all excited for last season to start, believe me I was one of the biggest positive homers there is. I predicted a 10-6 to 11-5 season and a division crown. I bought my first season tickets ever last season, because I was so excited.
I went into RJS like a puppy dog with my tongue wagging out pretty much for the first 3 home games. Then I got beat down into submission by this team. It might take a while for my positive homer side to come back, it might even happen during this summer. Trust me I don’t like acting this way towards this team that I love. They did this to me, so I feel I have a right to be cranky over them, new coach or not.
BTW no hard feelings dude. We’re all Buc fans. I did the same thing to other negative posters last summer. So I know where you are coming from. I said the same things too. Support our team or leave type of stuff, but you live an learn.
April 8th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
There was one QB Tedford coached in college who didn’t go to an expansion or bottom-ranked team in the draft. Some guy named Rodgers, I think. I wonder how he turned out….
April 8th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
I feel good about Tedford being the OC. Optimism is better for now not knowing the eventual result. The disgruntling can be put off until later, if deserved.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
Hawaiian Buc says:
“You then proceeded just a few short weeks later to know about his drug habits, and claiming that he is the scum of the earth.”
1st of all. That’s twisting things as well. I believe at the time I said if it is a case where he’s doing drugs that he’s not supposed to be doing then EF him. I never claimed I knew about his drug habits. I also gave up on him after the 2nd week well before he was benched. The team comes before Freeman.
2nd of all. You know DAMN well if Schiano had made those same moves YOU yes, YOU yourself would have been in here calling him every name in the book. As well as many others. Of course I now there is a difference between Lovie’s accomplishments and a college coach (Schiano) making the same decisions. That does not take away from the fact that if Schiano made the same moves he would be looked at like an idiot. That also does not mean I think Lovie is an idiot for doing it either. I have to trust him, I don’t have a choice do I?
If Schiano was questioned about how he tied his shoes. I don’t see where there should be a problem with questioning some of Lovie’s moves. Like the hiring of Tedford.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:19 pm
Tristan Berry Says:
“There was one QB Tedford coached in college who didn’t go to an expansion or bottom-ranked team in the draft. Some guy named Rodgers, I think. I wonder how he turned out….”
I read somewhere that Rodgers had to change his entire style of play when he came to the NFL and was retaught by some other dude while he sat on the bench behind Favre. Looking for the article on the net to post what he said.
Bucfan#37…I see your point, but like I said my optimism has been beaten down too much.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:25 pm
One more thing to add before I’m moving one.
Tampa Bay’s offenses have been historically CRAP. So please forgive my lack of optimism over Jeff Tedford.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
@1987,
Now you are completely lying. You said some BS story about meeting some guys after the game and them telling you about where Freeman hangs out and that he does cocaine. Go ahead and say you didn’t say that and I’ll find the quote. So yes, you did claim to know about his drug habits.
Second, I believe I stated a few differences between Lovie and Schiano. It is those reasons why Lovie doesn’t get the same reaction, not to mention the fact that it is to be expected when a new coach is hired. But no, I am not going to get upset at the dismantling of a 4-12 team. I still don’t like getting rid of Revis, although I understand it. But overall, the team has gotten better, even though it got better the day it fired Schiano. Lovie is proven. Schiano is proven…..to be a crappy NFL coach.
Schiano was questioned because he came to the NFL trying out lower level college tactics, and it backfired on him in a historic manner. I was encouraged after his first year, and really believed we might be on to something. I was as wrong as I possibly could be. He was a terrible coach in every aspect of coaching. X’s and O’s – horrible. Game and clock management – possibly the worst ever. Making adjustments – lmao. Handling a locker room full of grown men – I’d trust the waterboy to do a better job. However, if being a stubborn control freak were good qualities in a NFL coach, he’d be in the Hall of Fame.
So please stop trying to compare Lovie Smith to Greg Schiano. You can’t compare a proven coach to a loser coach. For the first time in six years, we have someone at the helm who actually knows what the hell he’s doing! Be happy about that, because it’s going to show right out of the box. We’re going to win a lot of games, probably starting in 2014. I can guaran-damn-tee you we win more than 4.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
Martin came from a Boise State program known for inventive and sometimes unconventional plays. Martin’ take on Tedford is interesting considering what he saw during his college career. Tedford’s offense may or may not work in the NFL. The idea that it’s something different than run, run, pass at least makes it interesting.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
So already, before a game has even been played: not a playoff, not a regular season, not a preseason, HELL, not even TRAINING CAMP…and you’re already hoping that Lovie & Co fail so that you can get the coach you really want here….
Yup…we need more fans like you.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
@Celly,
Yep, some of these “fans” are really really “special”. If only they were running the team.
April 8th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
Celly Says:
April 8th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
So already, before a game has even been played: not a playoff, not a regular season, not a preseason, HELL, not even TRAINING CAMP…and you’re already hoping that Lovie & Co fail so that you can get the coach you really want here….
Yup…we need more fans like you.
__________________________________________________________
Someone doesn’t have very good reading comprehension skills. Go back and re-read the post. I have literally no idea where you deducted that I hope Lovie fails. I said, exactly verbatim, this
“If Lovie flames out quick with two losinng seasons, the Bucs should do whatever they can to get Gus”
If Lovie flames out = fired. Also, please notice the use of the word “if”. Not “I want Lovie to fail so that in two year”…
But hey, thanks for making broad, sweeping assumptions with absolutely nothing to back up your claims. Perhaps next time you should actually read comments and try to apply logic and comprehension behind them rather than going for cheap drive bys.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
@bucrightoff
Perhaps you fail to understand the simple concept that it is ridiculous to even discuss a future coach when the present coach hasn’t even entered training camp. Not sure how it is troubling for you to understand how that is going to be interpreted. Use some freaking common sense. If you don’t understand that logic, than you need some help.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
“Now you are completely lying. You said some BS story about meeting some guys after the game and them telling you about where Freeman hangs out and that he does cocaine. Go ahead and say you didn’t say that and I’ll find the quote. So yes, you did claim to know about his drug habits.”
Of course I won’t argue that I said that. That does not mean that I said I “know” for a fact Freeman is doing drugs, just because some fans on the corner of Himes happened to say it that makes me think it has to be true.
Your way of thinking is twisted and now your twisting things to suit your point. Please do pull it up and find where I said I “KNOW” Josh is doing drugs. I simply stated that there were fans that were saying it on the corner, but your implying that I stated it as fact and that makes you the liar.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
If Lovie fails, we should bring in Bill Bellicheck. Then after he retires from football, we can bring in Brady to coach the QB’s. There’s actually an 4 year old girl from Seattle that can already read offensive and defensive formations, and can name every player on the team by name, number, and position. I don’t think it’s too early to bring her in for an interview, for when the coach 3 coaches from now fails. Do whatever it takes to bring her in Glazers!!!!
April 8th, 2014 at 4:16 pm
bucrightoff …I get what you were trying to say just fine.
“If Lovie flames out quick with two losinng seasons, the Bucs should do whatever they can to get Gus”.
Not that hard to comprehend the word “if”.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
April 8th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
@bucrightoff
Perhaps you fail to understand the simple concept that it is ridiculous to even discuss a future coach when the present coach hasn’t even entered training camp. Not sure how it is troubling for you to understand how that is going to be interpreted. Use some freaking common sense. If you don’t understand that logic, than you need some help.
__________________________________________________________
Dude…its a blog. For fans. Who post all kinds of hypotheticals all the time. Talking about them is why this blog exists, or have you not noticed the 500 Johnny Football stories this site has produced, despite him not even being a member of the franchise? People who want Johnny, by default, also want McCown (who hasn’t even played yet either…) and Glennon to be failures. You know how little an eff I give about people who think like that? I don’t. Best part about posts you don’t like? You can ignore them.
Get off the freaking high horse, and maybe lose the holier than thou attitude. But why would you do that? You like thinking of yourself as being a better fan, as if you can quantify that in any way.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
“I can guaran-damn-tee you we win more than 4.”
Well as you know (my hero) Schiano won 7 in his first year as an NFL HC. Lovie won 5 in Chicago during his first season as an NFL coach. So I’d set that bar at he better win more than 7 in his first year as the Bucs coach. Right now I see 5 wins, but of course the draft and 2nd FA still have to happen.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
@1987,
Are you really so stupid as to not understand that when you make statements like that, you are passing it as fact. When you put it in writing, you are putting your name on it. This is why reporters check their sources and don’t report everything they hear. You can say you aren’t a reporter, but the fact is you are still putting your name on your statement to help your cause in an argument. As a result, you can’t disassociate with what you said now just because it doesn’t fit your current agenda. You know damn well what you were doing then, and you know damn well what you are doing now. Nice try though. Gotta give you credit for never admitting you are wrong. It takes a special kind of stubborn to be so blatantly wrong, yet refuse to admit it.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
Hawaiian Buc…go to the archives and pull up what I said/
April 8th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Man. Buc1987 sure does cover his azz on all things Bucs. Ah well. He’s moved on.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
@bucrightoff,
You can write whatever you want. Nobody is saying you shouldn’t be able to write. However, don’t be alarmed when someone blasts you for it. You deserve it. This isn’t 2nd grade where we all have to tell each other how much we agree with you. A lot of us think it’s ridiculous to talk about a future coach when the current one hasn’t even called a play yet. If you fail to understand that, then I can’t help you anymore. Stop crying every time someone disagrees with you. You’re on the wrong board if you can’t deal with that. My goodness, some of you are a bunch of freaking cry babies.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
A bunch of dudes on the corner of Himes said Freeman will be at Mon Venus later on tonight doing lines.
It was something along that line.
“when you make statements like that, you are passing it as fact.”
Really, I’m passing that off as fact? How come no one else at the time took it as fact and just something a bunch of guys said at an intersection.
Now who’s being stupid?
April 8th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
BoJim…Hawaiian Buc never makes it easy to move on.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
@Buc1987 Says:
“…What exactly did Tedford teach all those good college QB’s that he sent to the NFL? …Steve Spurrier is a college offensive genuis too. How did that work out for the Skins.”
Its fair to be skeptical, but look at what Trestman did for McCown last year in CHI. It just shows the right guy can make that kind of a difference. Now we have to hope the Bucs (& Lovie) finally got lucky. As for Spurrier, he brought on his own undoing. Wasn’t willing to put in the hours and so arrogant he was unwilling to adjust to what might work and what would not when he was the Skins coach.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
April 8th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
My goodness, some of you are a bunch of freaking cry babies.
__________________________________________
Hey Mr. Pot, have you met Mr. Kettle? Because here you are, crying and complaining! Love me some irony. Anyways if you don’t like opinions, thoughts, random projections or other things you don’t share, a word of advice: Ignore them. Since this is the internet, and there is a 9000% chance that will happen, perhaps you should just quit the internet?
Whenever someone disagrees with you, you cannot help but tell them why they are wrong. You also constantly go to name calling too, which accomplishes nothing? In a lot of ways, you are the very type of poster you claim to not like.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
@bucrightoff,
I’m not crying at all. I enjoy the arguments. If not for people like 1987, I probably wouldn’t even bother reading the comments. If I want people to agree with me all the time, then I sure as hell wouldn’t be here. You’ve never seen me get butt hurt like you are. I’ve admitted to being wrong more times than most of the people on this site have combined. I’ll man up and admit when I’m wrong.
It doesn’t make me mad what you said, I just think it’s pretty ridiculous to discuss another coach when the current one just got hired a few minutes ago. Regardless, you apparently don’t understand that side of the coin, so you’ll just continue to point the finger at others. That’s fine, I can take it. I graduated from the second grade. I’m so sorry for name calling, I’m going to go sit in timeout now.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:49 pm
@1987,
You know the context in which you said it. I know the context in which you said it. When you are using it as an argument to back up your point, you are passing it as fact. You didn’t say it in the context of “I heard something really interesting today…..Who knows if it’s true, but this is what they said”. That’s not what you said, or how you said it. But it doesn’t matter, because you don’t understand the concepts, and I’m sure not going to call you any names, because we’re not supposed to do that or I’ll get in trouble. I’m trying like a mad man to find your quote, but there’s a lot of posts to look through, and I need to appear like I’m working here.
April 8th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
We should all be hating Shat-on-yo because he basically called all of us fans laughing stocks of the league until he got here. HE was the reason we were and HE made us even bigger butts of jokes. He and his rat face, gapped tooth, toes on the line bs got us no where and actually put us in the hole further. Giving up picks and cutting players only to go to his buddy’s Bill team. Anyone who misses Shat-on-Yo can go back up north with him.
Only Bucs fans need to be here and rooting for our team.
GO BUCS!
April 8th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
April 8th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
@bucrightoff,
I’m not crying at all. I enjoy the arguments. If not for people like 1987, I probably wouldn’t even bother reading the comments. If I want people to agree with me all the time, then I sure as hell wouldn’t be here. You’ve never seen me get butt hurt like you are. I’ve admitted to being wrong more times than most of the people on this site have combined. I’ll man up and admit when I’m wrong.
It doesn’t make me mad what you said, I just think it’s pretty ridiculous to discuss another coach when the current one just got hired a few minutes ago. Regardless, you apparently don’t understand that side of the coin, so you’ll just continue to point the finger at others. That’s fine, I can take it. I graduated from the second grade. I’m so sorry for name calling, I’m going to go sit in timeout now.
___________________________________________________________
You can name call all you’d like. Call me a turd, say I smell like poo, or that I have a Josh Freeman signed picture of the Thriller photoshoot. Go for it. But when you go to name calling and insults, it invalidates all your legitimate points and just makes you look like you’re trying to bait people. That’s all I’m saying, I’d take your posts more seriously if they deserved to be. But the name calling and insults get you nowhere.
The funny thing too is you generally do post good posts. If you can leave it to just content I think you’d find you’ll get more people to agree with you. But when your options are generally agree with me or get insulted, people will simply ignore you instead. Like I probably should have to begin with. Such is life.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
@bucrightoff,
I seriously don’t know what you’re talking about. Have I ever called you a name? Never called anyone a turd, even turds. I usually will say things like “ridiculous” or “laugable”, but I very rarely call anyone a name. I don’t think I’ve ever called you a name. Maybe you have me confused, or maybe you think those statements ARE name calling. I don’t get it. Have I ever name called before? Probably, but not very often. And for the record, I had that Freeman MJ photoshoot as the cover photo on my phone for quite a while. It was absolutely hilarious. Still is.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
“I’m trying like a mad man to find your quote, but there’s a lot of posts to look through, and I need to appear like I’m working here.”
LOL been there done that before. I think it was after the Saints game though if that helps ya out any.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
IIRC, as soon as Schiano was hired, there was already a lot of grumbling because the Glazers hired a mediocre college HC to be a first-time NFL HC. Is it possible that there were people (maybe even in here) that were saying, “Why didn’t they hire ______?”. And, of course, that was before he had even put his family’s picture on his desk.
If a fan has concerns about a coach/player, I don’t hold it against them to wonder, “What if…?, Why not…?, How come…?, Couldn’t they have…?”.
If we had ALL been 100% behind Schiano, then think how depressing it would be in here. This way, many are happy and hopeful. The season ahead will change many current viewpoints.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
Name calling was not the right choice of word, so yeah definitely should not have insuiated you name call. My bad on that one.
You do tend you insult others intelligence in your posts when you disagree with them. I mean a lot of your posts in this thread question people’s intelligence (me and 87 mostly, though I doubt either of us cares). I just think it undermines the valid and legit points you have. I wouldn’t call the insults particularly personal, more general, but they still don’t help your arguments. You are generally one of the more well thought out posters here, unlike many others.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
I found it!
Bucs1987 Says:
September 30th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
On the way back to my car yesterday. I was waiting to cross MLK. At the intersection there was group of guys talking about Josh doing lines at Mons Venus. They were just joking around, but one of them said to the rest of us. “Just go there after the game, you’ll see him there all coked up.” I’m not saying that it is the white stuff, I’m just telling you what the conversation was at the corner of MLK and Himes. That was before this came out today.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
@bucrightoff,
Trust me, it’s nothing personal. I have myself made idiot proclamations, and have had my fair share of posts where I ended up looking like a fool. It is what it is. I don’t take anything personal, because we are all anonymous, and if I don’t want to read what others think, I can just click away. I do thoroughly enjoy the arguments, not gonna lie. But I can honestly say I never get mad (well except for one time from a comment from 1987, but that’s a whole other issue), but I enjoy the back and forth. Maybe others don’t, but I do. As soon as we start all getting along, you won’t see my name. And if I can catch someone making a ridiculous statement, you can bank on it I’m going to call them on it. I expect the same in return.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:43 pm
I can vouch for Hawaiian Buc. He does love to argue.
April 8th, 2014 at 5:48 pm
@1987,
Ok here it comes, I was wrong. I found the post, read it again, and what I remembered you saying was not what you said. In the context of the post, you were not trying to pass it as fact, but simply relaying what you heard. My bad! (And for the record, that really sucked to have to type that.)
April 8th, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Hell, at least on this board I’m right at least maybe 25% of the time. At home, I haven’t won an argument with my wife in 11 years.
April 8th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
It’s okay Hawaiian Buc it wouldn’t be the same website without you battling with me atleast once a week.
I’m sure the rest of the kids on the playground love reading all the comments though. Your welcome Joe. lol
P.S. My wife said she’s knows how you feel around your house and sympathizes with you.lol
April 8th, 2014 at 7:40 pm
“I’m sure the rest of the kids on the playground love reading all the comments though”
Haha. After Hawaiian’s post, I turned to my wife and said, “Bummer, one fella just said he was wrong. I guess the fight is over.” Then I frowned, and looked down at the floor.
April 8th, 2014 at 8:11 pm
Being a head coach coming out of college trying to run a whole team and just running the offense are completely different
April 8th, 2014 at 8:29 pm
@Chef Paul,
Don’t worry, we’ll be at it again probably tomorrow.
April 9th, 2014 at 1:47 am
Buc1987 is actually right.
Tedford is hardly a QB guru. You guys say you cannot hold his QBs against him after they leave him and enter the NFL. Well, if that’s the case, you can’t give him credit either.
Aaron R. Went through multiple years af special QB camps, and had the benefit of learning without pressure while Favre was starting. You can’t give Tedford credit for Aaron. Not with all it took after Aaron entered the nfl.
Tedford was so good he got fired. And not “Lovie Smith” fired. Smith was successful the very year he ws fired. Tedford has not coached in the NFL, has to learn the pro rule book, has to develop his first NFL playbook And fit it to the talent he has to work with, has to have his first few minicamps with only one starting WR, even if one is drafted, and has his entire offensive unit being blown up by Jason Licht.
All of that combined with making the leap from college to pro.
It isn’t impossible for him to do well, but it sure isn’t written in stone either.
April 9th, 2014 at 3:49 am
@Buccaneer Bonzai,
I absolutely agree he shouldn’t get credit for Rodgers. My point was basically the same as yours, but in reverse. All you can judge a guy on is what his players did while he was coaching them. 1987 was mentioning how terrible his QB’s were, I simply brought up an exception.
Tedford had to deal with a traditionally terrible football school at the time in Cal, with the worst facilities in the conference. Not making excuses, but it’s not an easy place to win, but he had some great years there. Regardless, he’s not a head coach now, so the issue is really can he run a successful offense. He has a long history of great offenses, so I believe he can do it. I don’t think the college game and the NFL game is as different as it used to be, which will also help his cause. So no it’s definitely not written in stone, but I think he’s got a great chance. I’m 100% confident he’ll put out a better product than last year.