“I Think Mike Glennon Has To Go”
April 30th, 2014
ESPN NFL insider Adam Caplan told WDAE-AM 620 that if the Bucs draft a quarterback next week, then you can wave goodbye to backup QB Mike Glennon.
It is eight days from the draft and it seems all the NFL world is talking about is Johnny Football. Oh, there are some muttering about Derek Carr or Blake Bortles or Jimmy Garoppolo or Teddy Bridgewater or Khalil Mack.
But turn on NFL Network (and try not to gawk at hottie Molly Qerim in her flaming red dress) or SiriusXM NFL Radio, and Johnny Football dominates the chatter. Hell, you don’t see Zach Mettenberger on the cover of Sports Illustrated, but there’s Johnny Football.
Which brings Joe to the Bucs. If not in the market right now for a quarterback, they soon will be and, hopefully, the Bucs never sniff a top-10 draft pick for years. The Bucs could, or could not, draft Johnny Football. Time will tell.
Joe fully expects at some time next weekend the Bucs will draft a quarterback, whether it is Johnny Football in the first round, Carr in the second, Garoppolo in the third or Aaron Murray on the third day. In fact, Joe would be surprised if the Bucs do not draft a quarterback; surprised, not shocked.
So if/when the Bucs draft a quarterback, that gives them four quarterbacks including starting quarterback Josh McCown, backup Mike Glennon and third stringer Mike Kafka.
In this scenario, ESPN insider Adam Caplan, who is as plugged in to NFL suits as anyone, believes it spells doom for Glennon’s days in Tampa Bay, so he told Tom Jones and Rick Stroud this morning on WDAE-AM 620.
“It is obvious to me and people around the league that [the Bucs] are going to try to move him,” Caplan said. “They have denied this, but I think Mike Glennon is going to be good as gone. If they can get something that is reasonable, I think Mike Glennon has to go. When Lovie Smith announces and tries to take it back that Mike Glennon is not going to be the starter and Josh McCown is, you are basically putting it out there that you don’t want him to be your guy.”
The Bucs made it clear yesterday; coach Lovie Smith and general manager Jason Licht covet draft picks and already are working the phones to make a possible move back in the draft, if their guy is not there at No. 7 in order to get more picks.
Remember, the Bucs currently do not have a fourth round pick.
Clearly, a quarterback with experience would be collateral. L&L are not trading McCown. Kafka would be lucky to bring a loaf of day old bread in return. So with a glut of quarterbacks, the only one marketable would be Glennon. And let’s be honest, L&L have voiced little to no loyalty or shown patience to players from the previous administration not named “Gerald McCoy” or “Lavonte David.” Why should they?
Joe thinks Caplan’s take is quite reasonable. To hear Caplan’s full interview, click the orange button below. Audio courtesy of Joe’s good friends at WDAE-AM 620.
April 30th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
see ya glennon don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you
April 30th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
“Mike Glennon is so far more advanced than RGIII playing NFL quarterback that it’s not even close. They shouldn’t even be in the same discussion.”
– Highly respected NFL Films analyst.
April 30th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
You said it right, they hold little regard for any player of a previous regime. Which worries me as going at their rate of return we will probably end up w a worse pick then the third rd we got glennon for. Not that my opinion matters in the least but I’m getting tired of our pattern of licht getting bested in EVERY deal made so far
April 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Agree. Glennon is still here because his trade stock is too low right now.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Quarterback makes more and more sense at seven.
But in any round MG is a goner.
How many times does Lovie have to say he wants a fast athletic QB before it sinks in?
April 30th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Maybe the stock will rise during the draft or a day or two prior. But I just don’t see him worth a 3rd rounder. Maybe a 4th, but that’s a stretch. The bad thing with Glennon a coach and GM has to look at his tape and see if it can be fixed or corrected. It’s been said a lot that he will be a backup QB for life and if that the case then what will anyone give for a backup QB 5th? 6th? There is little value in Glennon, not a whole lot to get a valuable pick.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Don’t know if it is low or high but whenever Lovie speaks well of Glennon, well, duh. He surely isn’t going to publicly criticize a guy Licht may be shopping.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
Lol Yes lets trade a young QB with experience and potential for another one with no experience when we have nobody else on the roster. Keep em’ comin Joe. Licht/Lovie I am sure are just sitting back and laughing as they have the media feeding right out of his hands like sheep.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
We should try to get our 4th round pick back or any pick with Glennon.
Connor Shaw is coming to Tampa
April 30th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
we spent a 3rd pick on the guy and he proved he can play… shuldn’t we at least be able to get a 3rd for him in return?
April 30th, 2014 at 2:08 pm
@Joe How does this square with Loveys comments – Josh is a good quarterback and Glennon is a great quarterback ? Heard on Ron & Ian. Are we to listen to coach or someone who wants their name bantered in the news cycle? I just want whatever going to happen to happen! Come on draft day. Personally wish we would get some more meaty beasts on Offensive line. Also would like a #1receiver -Watkins.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:10 pm
The Storm signed him?
April 30th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
SAMCRO:
Since you changed usernames and whined and threatened to leave for good because your comments were in moderation, Joe did some research. You’ve had a boner over Joe for some time for reasons unknown. If you don’t like this place, there are all sorts of other Bucs sites you can visit that rarely update during the offseason.
If the only comments you can type involve b!tching about Joe, maybe it is time for you to spread your screed elsewhere?
Only fools burn their limited time on this earth on sites they don’t like.
— Joe
April 30th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
BucFever:
You expect a coach to badmouth a guy his GM may be trying to peddle?
If the Bucs draft a quarterback, who is the odd man out? Lovie isn’t keeping four quarterbacks and he didn’t draft Glennon.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
would you show case glennon in a few preseason games likes the jags did w rob johnson to try and get at least a 2nd in 2015?
April 30th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Every player is one hit from ending their season. Entertain this scenario for a moment; we trade Glennon, draft Manziel, and McCown’s the starter. McCown goes down, Manziel starts, Kafka’s back-up. What if Manziel goes down? Glennon doesn’t sound so bad now, does he?
April 30th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
The only reason we haven’t been actively shopping the guy is because it would give away our hand in the draft. Right now the Buccaneers are creating confusion as to where they will go with the first pick, quite successfully I might add. For a franchise, you couldn’t be in a better position come draft day, although it drives us fans crazy.
IMO you don’t see any Glennon moved, if at all, until draft day or shortly thereafter. I see the bucs trading him after drafting a qb to move back into the later rounds. It is difficult for me to see him and a new QB obtained through the draft in the same crowded QB room. Difficult, not impossible.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
I think I’d would depend on who and when a qb was drafted. Say we draft Manziel. It would make little sense to have his polar opposite be the backup. But if we get a pure pocket passer, I think Glennon should stay.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Mike Glennon is going to be a good player.
We atleast need to recoup the 3rd rounder spent on him, if he is traded.
I would hold onto Glennon, and let him develop (like it was inteded last year before Freeman’s mega meltdown).
Either way, I’d like to see Glennon be given the opportunity to battle it out in camp for a roster spot/backup spot.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Without question if the Bucs draft a QB in any round of this draft, Glennon is a goner. Unlike Joe, I don’t think they take one in any round of this draft.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
agree stevek with everything you said the exception of what we could recoup for Glennon. I see players like automobiles, they lose a ton of value as soon as you drive them off the lot, unless it they vastly outplay their draft status throughout the year (debatable with Glennon). It would be difficult for me to envision a scenario where we got anything more than a 4th rounder for Glennon. Maybe I’m wrong.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
“When Lovie Smith announces and tries to take it back that Mike Glennon is not going to be the starter and Josh McCown is, you are basically putting it out there that you don’t want him to be your guy.”
LOVIE SMITH NEVER SAID THIS. He said that you’ve got to pencil someone in as the starter when you create your first depth chart and that it would be McCown for now. He never gifted McCown the starting gig for opening day, but that’s the perception.
April 30th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
@Rob…. “On the day Smith’s Buccaneers signed veteran quarterback Josh McCown, Smith indicated that he isn’t expecting much of a competition between McCown and Glennon. According to Greg Auman of the Tampa Bay Times, Smith made it very clear that McCown is his quarterback.”
Asked directly if McCown is his quarterback, Smith answered, “Yes, he is.”
April 30th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Man, I can’t wait to see who’s right…..and who’s totally off
April 30th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Whatever happened to letting a rookie develop and not giving up on him after one season??
April 30th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
I’m feeling a lot of fireworks may happen on 5/8. Everyone but our all pros could be moved for the right price. Interesting note, Loveboat said they already have their lists of undrafted free agents they are planning to target after the Mr. Irrelevant selection. No doubt this is going to be over 75% a Loveboat team come August!!
April 30th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Lovie also said he has asked Glennon to take a back seat to McCown.
McCown is more than the pencil in guy, he’s the starter.
If someone can convince Lovie that Glennon is an athletic QB with speed, maybe he could stay.
He’s obviously not, and Lovie and Tedford have zero intentions of pinning their future to the guy.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
I agree ODB.
I cant wait either. I think it’s absolutely awesome how Lovie and Licht have us all running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to read between the lines. Hopefully that means the whole NFL is clueless on what we are going to do in and after the draft.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
Yesterday Lovie said that Mike Glennon was an excellent QB. (truth) And Licht said Sure he is! That’s why we brought in 7 QBs for private workouts! (sarcasm)
April 30th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
@ODB- It can’t come soon enough. I’ve grown weary of the same arguments!
April 30th, 2014 at 3:07 pm
“I think it’s absolutely awesome how Lovie and Licht have us all running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to read between the lines.”
Actually having this whole new staff keeps this off-season interesting. Gives us something to talk about. Even if it’s the same crap over and over again.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
“Even if it’s the same crap over and over again.”
You mean the same PB&J over and over again? haha
April 30th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
Bucsfanman…I was weary of the Joe loves Johnny show about a month ago.
That show needs to be canceled.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
Chef Paul..lol I knew someone would get a kick out of that PB&J comment.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
No better than anyone here or any where else. Just another mouth piece that needs to kill time until the draft. Keep stirring the pot.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
The ‘logic’ of this escapes me. If McCown went down, and the draftee wasn’t ready take the reins, you’d sent in Kafka? Even if they believed that the rookie was ready to take over, come on, this draft has no Luck. ANY QB taken this year will be lucky to win 6 games unless he has a terrific defense to bail him out. That’s not the kind of team I want.
Glennon is playing under a rookie salary contract and has experience. Why get rid of a cheap asset? No one is going to give a high pick for someone they believe will come free (Zuttah, Penn, Revis, etc). If Lovie/Licht get rid of Glennon, then we’ll be looking at Dungy-ball (Shaun King) all over again and hoping the Glazers don’t wait as long in showing Lovie the door.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
Adam Caplan is wrong. How hard is this to grasp? Mike Glennon is a good backup. The Bucs will not trade him.
Joe is wrong (sorry, Joe). Lovie said they will only have 2 active QBs on the roster this season. The third stringer is not usually “active” for games.
And as far as the Bucs making ” it clear yesterday”, all they said is that they are open to trade offers, not that they are going to do it.
They have even stated that “unfortunately, trading down is not as easy as it sounds.”
They are maintaining smoke and mirrors. That’s all.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Joe
Just because Lovie didn’t draft a QB doesn’t mean anything. Rex Grossman was a third stringer on the Bears when Lovie took over them in 2004 and he ended up keeping “not his QB” and Rex went on to take him to the Big One!
April 30th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
Eric Says
“How many times does Lovie have to say he wants a fast athletic QB before it sinks in?”
And yet…he aggressively went after Josh McCown who is anything BUT.
I think he wants a fast athletic QB as a starter, but he wants a game manager as a backup so if needed he will take few risks.
Also, do you honestly believe Josh McCown will be able to play the entire starter behind a piece-mail offensive line?
The smart thing is to keep Glennon, draft Carr, and start McCown. If McCown goes down, sacrifice Glennon behind the bad oline. And yes, it will be bad.
Don’t put Carr (or whoever is drafted) in until next year, when they can finish beefing up the oline.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:24 pm
OAR Says
“Joe
Just because Lovie didn’t draft a QB doesn’t mean anything.”
That’s because they traded three first rounders away in order to get a QB in trade.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:25 pm
Correction: all three first rounders were not for that trade. I should have clarified that.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:30 pm
Also, Rex had only been drafted two years before…ownership still believed in him.
Then they traded for Cutler for 2 first rounds and a third.
So yeah, Lovie did not draft a QB…because he never needed to.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
Oar
Lovie has been somewhat modified during his year off. He has had time to think that “if you do what you always did…you get what you always got” Lovie has never won a Super Bowl. He boldly revamped this team during the Free Agency signings by switching out many of Schiano’s fingerprints on it. The biggest Schiano thumb print of all remains… Mike Glennon… Also don’t you think he promised Tedford when the OC couch was signed that he’d do everything possible to get him the QB he felt he could work best with? I like Glennon…he will probably improve… But most likely elsewhere.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Glennon is only traded if a QB is drafted in the first two rounds. And if they can’t get a fourth round pick for him I bet they keep him as the third QB on the depth chart and release Kafka.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Rex was drafted in 1st round of 2003 by Dick Jauron. Actually, Rex was second string under Lovie until they went to the Super Bowl in 2006.
My point is not that Lovie needed to draft or not needed to draft a QB. My point is that Lovie, in the past, has kept QBs that weren’t labeled “HIS QBs”!
April 30th, 2014 at 3:48 pm
Schiano’s intention was never to let Glennon sit and develop. You don’t draft a guy and give him half the reps during the off-season and call it “development.” Do you think any of the other teams that had belief in their QB would give the backup half the reps in training camp?
I find it so hilarious that the same people that were ready to throw Freeman away after his record setting TD:INT ratio in 2010 and after his franchise setting records the year before last.
Honest question that I’m hoping to receive an honest answer to:
Why is it that when Freeman was the QB, it was MANDATORY that he raises the level of play of everyone around him, but last year when Glennon was unable to do that, its ok and he gets a pass “because the talent around him was bad.”
You do realize that Freeman had 10 wins with a far inferior team than Glennon had, right?
April 30th, 2014 at 3:51 pm
Why do people say Lovie wants to clear out the Schiano guys? In case no one has noticed, almost all the guys that have been cut or traded started with Raheem. Most of the Schiano guys? Still on the roster. Schiano was a crappy coach but a very good talent evaluator.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
That makes no sense. First of all Freeman had 60+ games to show what he can do… and he failed more often than not.
Nobody is giving anyone Glennon pass, but to judge the man after 13 games is ridiculously stupid. Freeman also didnt have those 10 wins til his 2nd season. You know how many he had his rookie season? 3… but hey lets play stupid and compare Freeman’s best season to a rookie season.
I expect nothing less from a bitter Freemanite.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
giving Glennon a pass*
April 30th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
Well hopefully his “year of reflection” worked and it wont be like his first year in Chicago where they used 4 QBs during the year.
April 30th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
John Manziel on the cover of SI made me reminisce to when Tony Mandarich was on the cover right before the draft.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
How many games did Freeman play where, although they might not have been up by 30 with 1:00 left to play, he had us with the lead, only hoping the defense would get one, JUST ONE, stop to close out the game? Last I checked, Free didn’t play defense. Did he have some bad games? Absolutely. Did he do enough to have his team with the lead at the end of some games? Most definitely.
And for you to say no one is giving Glennon a pass is beyond ignorant.
— “Look at Glennon’s rookie year compared to Manning. He did better. He could be the next Peyton Manning.”
— “He was the best rookie QB, he should get another chance”
— “Everyone else on the team was bad, how could he succeed?”
Shall I continue with the list of excuses or do you get the point now?
Says the Glennon sack-rider.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
Celly Says:
April 30th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
How many games did Freeman play where, although they might not have been up by 30 with 1:00 left to play, he had us with the lead, only hoping the defense would get one, JUST ONE, stop to close out the game? Last I checked, Free didn’t play defense. Did he have some bad games? Absolutely. Did he do enough to have his team with the lead at the end of some games? Most definitely.
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Ahh the old “He did good enough”. Yup, we should totally accept a C- because hey, its not a big F…
Or we could strive for more? The fact Freeman couldn’t beat out Christian Ponder and Matt Cassel should be exceptionally damning. Schiano got a lot wrong but was dead right with Freeman. Freeman lacks the mental capacity and skillset to be a starting QB. A total meltdown, trying to bring a franchise down because the coach wants to play the obviously better QB? Pathetic.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
And for you to say no one is giving Glennon a pass is beyond ignorant.
– “Look at Glennon’s rookie year compared to Manning. He did better. He could be the next Peyton Manning.”
– “He was the best rookie QB, he should get another chance”
– “Everyone else on the team was bad, how could he succeed?”
Shall I continue with the list of excuses or do you get the point now?
You all made the same excuses for wittle Joshua too.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Isn’t that the same exact excuse you’re making for Glennon right now?
Striving for more is exactly what those of us that don’t want Glennon are doing right now. Regardless of how you want to spin it, Glennon led the NFL’s worst offense last year.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Celly Says:
April 30th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Isn’t that the same exact excuse you’re making for Glennon right now?
Striving for more is exactly what those of us that don’t want Glennon are doing right now. Regardless of how you want to spin it, Glennon led the NFL’s worst offense last year.
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Except Freeman was a C- in year 5 and people (like you) wanted to give him an extension. Glennon was a rookie (matters) and has only played 13 games (matters). After 60, we pretty much knew what we had in Freeman…but the Freemanites, well, they needed more. Demanded more. And yet the Freemanites believe after 13 Glennon has peaked and will never improve.
If you weren’t a scorn Freemanite your opinion might have some weight. But Glennon has a future in the NFL regardless. Josh? He’s got a future selling insurance at least…
April 30th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
McCown is mobile and athletic. As Lovie pointed out when we signed him.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
Isn’t that the same exact excuse you’re making for Glennon right now?
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No its not. Freeman had 60+ games of awfulness to judge him off of. You simply can’t judge anyone off 13 games of there rookie season. You want to talk franchise records… Ok well Glennon broke NFL records.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
I believe Lovie has done an excellent job smoke screening all of us. He has therefore done his pre draft “assignment” well. Let’s hope his smoke screen has the same effect on the GMs and coaches on the other nfl clubs. So we must await the draft and see. And remember, a drafted QB or not, Mike Glennon or not at the end of the day, we all come together and support the team…Go Bucs!
April 30th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
BRO beat me to it. Lol
April 30th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
So let me get this straight. Freeman, after setting franchise records for yards and TDs, wasn’t worthy of holding on to the starting job or getting a team friendly extension. But Glennon, who led the worst offense in the NFL, should be gifted the starting job?
Also, your insults do nothing to help your case. Nobody is “scorn” over Freeman. Do I believe he got the raw end of the stick? Yup. Do I hope he goes somewhere else where they believe in him and he lights it up? Yup.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
But that’s the thing, they ARE the same excuses. Everyone was ready to get rid of Free after his 10 win season. As a matter of fact, I believe up until that point, he was already close to setting records for 4th quarter comebacks. You looked at him and you could see that he had the potential to be great. You (the generic, people that matter, “you”) don’t see that with Glennon. He’s back there like a statue. There’s no, “wow, look at that throw.”
At the end of the day, as much as I don’t like the way it played out or how it was handled, the people that mattered didn’t want Freeman here. I don’t like it, but I can accept it.
Will you be able to do the same when that same conclusion is made with Glennon?
April 30th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
As a recovering Freemanite, I’m surprised there are any left.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
What are you talking about nobody wanted to get rid of Freeman after the 10-6 season. Nobody I remembered anyway. I didn’t even like him then but wanted to give him a little more time. And he proved me right.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
@Chef,
I usually keep quite and try to stay on topic, but every now and then, it frustrates me how the same people that wanted Freeman gone, use those same excuses as to why Glennon should stay.
If you’re going to use reasoning for one person, why does that same reasoning change your stance when it comes to another person?
“Quarterback A was horrible. Look he had no one to throw to. He didn’t make anyone else around him better.”
“Quarterback B did the best he could do. He had no one to throw to. The talent around him was so bad, he couldn’t make them better.”
April 30th, 2014 at 4:54 pm
Celly Says:
April 30th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
So let me get this straight. Freeman, after setting franchise records for yards and TDs, wasn’t worthy of holding on to the starting job or getting a team friendly extension. But Glennon, who led the worst offense in the NFL, should be gifted the starting job?
Also, your insults do nothing to help your case. Nobody is “scorn” over Freeman. Do I believe he got the raw end of the stick? Yup. Do I hope he goes somewhere else where they believe in him and he lights it up? Yup.
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Then why is he fighting for a roster spot on the Giants? You are scorned, your disdain for Glennon is because you thought he was going to come in and be worse. substantially so, than Freeman. Instead he was substantially better. Josh tried to scortch this franchise and you still like him? Bizarre. He has his agent try and tarred this franchise and you think he got a raw deal? What kind of fan are you, a Freeman fan or a Bucs fan? As a Bucs fan, he can ESAD for all I care. He wanted to destroy this franchise. He can eat a bag of dicks.
Oh yeah those teams records? That was the past. In the years since, he never came close to that level. At all. And absolutely no one is suggesting Glennon be gift wrapped the job. Just that he deserves every chance to compete for the job.
April 30th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
@couch,
Everyone’s excuse then was, “Well, he didn’t beat any team with a winning record….And beating the Saints didn’t count cause it was the last game.”
THAT was everyone’s reasoning for wanting him gone. I remember.
April 30th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
bucrightoff:
In the years since? He’s only one year removed from those franchise records. He didn’t have the opportunity to come close to those numbers again cause Schiano wanted him gone and wanted to play the guy he had been jizzing over since high school.
I’m a Bucs fan through and through. Thats why I stated that even though I wasn’t on board with Free being ousted, I can come to terms with the fact that the current regime in place didn’t want him.
What i ask is will YOU be able to do the same when they come to that realization with Glennon?
April 30th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
@Celly
I can understand them saying the same things, because they are different QB’s with different circumstances. The 60 games vs 13 games is a huge difference. After 60, you can tell a lot more than after 13. However, I say the same about Glennon that I did Freeman lol. But with another year, I’ll be ready to have a better opinion on Glennon, but not after 13 games.
I understand where you are coming from though, because all season I still hoped Freeman would land on his feet, and be a good QB. But when it came out that he was MIA an hour before the first game of the year, then look back at how that game started, it’s just inexcusable. I cant support that type of man. No matter if he comes out and lights the league on fire. Doesnt matter. He did us wrong. And honestly, I don’t think he deserves any Buc fan’s support after that.
April 30th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
Celly Says:
April 30th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
bucrightoff:
In the years since? He’s only one year removed from those franchise records. He didn’t have the opportunity to come close to those numbers again cause Schiano wanted him gone and wanted to play the guy he had been jizzing over since high school.
I’m a Bucs fan through and through. Thats why I stated that even though I wasn’t on board with Free being ousted, I can come to terms with the fact that the current regime in place didn’t want him.
What i ask is will YOU be able to do the same when they come to that realization with Glennon?
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The current regime? Ummm he didn’t even survive the previous regime. You can be damned sure Lovie would have dumped Freeman ASAP. He has no place on this team for malcontent headcases. Glennon might get traded or he might be here in the fall. I hope he gets a chance because he showed tremendous mental strength (unlike the mental midget that is Josh Freeman) in dealing with being thrown into a dumpster fire, and he actually showed some good things. The fact people want to apply his season as if he got put in under ideal conditions is insane, but that will probably come back to burn a lot of people if the Bucs draft a QB and his numbers are worse than Glennon’s first season. If he gets traded, then so be it. Move on. I didn’t like Revis getting dumped but what can be done now? Past is done. Future is all their is.
And Freeman in his last 8 games as Bucs QB had like 8 TDs and 20 turnovers. Couldn’t get over 50% completion. If you told me that line was Tim Tebow I’d say “Sure is”…except it was Josh Freeman. Again, he couldn’t beat out Christian Ponder and Matt Cassel. That is, by my definition, a career death blow. Freeman is a backup and nothing more. Those “franchise records” mostly underscore what a putrid history the Bucs franchise has at the position.
April 30th, 2014 at 5:42 pm
I really dont know what you are talking about. I remember they exact opposite. Right after the 10-6 was the peak of his career is how I remember it. Why would anybody want to get rid of him after going 10-6? That makes no sense.
April 30th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
Maybe we should pass on a QB this year with the hopes that Winston will steal a few more crab legs, shoot out another window with a BB gun, or rape another woman, so that he can fall to us. It’s funny to me how people can criticize Johnny Football for his (alleged) off the field issues (which I’ve yet to see one thing he did even in the same ballpark as Winston), yet those same people (and by same people, I mean Bucs1987) want to defend Winston, who just so happens to be the QB of said person’s college football team.
April 30th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Comparing apples to apples, in 2013:
JF5 plus VJax+ MW19 + DMartin = 34 points in 3 games = 11.3 ppg
MG8 plus Vjax + assorted others = 254 points in 13 games = 19.5 ppg
tickrdr
April 30th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
Free Free blows compared to Glennon, let him go already 😉
April 30th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
And what could Glennon have done behind our new and improved O-line? A healthy Doug Martin, a true TE, and a much improved defense? As well as being Schiano, sullivan and MRSA free?
If many of you get your wish we will never know…then again if he is traded we may just see how much potential he did have.
April 30th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
Celly,
In case you missed it:
tickrdr Says:
April 30th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Comparing apples to apples, in 2013:
JF5 plus VJax+ MW19 + DMartin = 34 points in 3 games = 11.3 ppg
MG8 plus Vjax + assorted others = 254 points in 13 games = 19.5 ppg
tickrdr
Thanks to tickrdr! He sees that Freeman< Glennon.
Glennon has potential, Freeman is a weasel and a coward.
April 30th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
Remember when the Bucs got rid of Steve Young? Glennon could be that guy. Or he could go to practice squad and we actually trade a RB for a better draft pick.
April 30th, 2014 at 6:53 pm
Comparing Mike Glennon to Steve Young, lmao. I didn’t know there were so many comedians on this site.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Winston humiliated himself pretty badly with this incident. His excuse too was really bad (“youthful ignorange”? Dude everyone knows stealing is wrong at around 8 years old…). Add in the multiple Freeman-esque deer in the headlights looks in the NCG and Jameis has lost some of his luster.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
“It’s funny to me how people can criticize Johnny Football for his (alleged) off the field issues (which I’ve yet to see one thing he did even in the same ballpark as Winston), yet those same people (and by same people, I mean Bucs1987) want to defend Winston, who just so happens to be the QB of said person’s college football team.”
Hawaiian Buc…you poked the stick. Now I’m poking back.
If you have the time try and find where I have ever mentioned anything about Manziel’s off the field incidences being a problem. You won’t find it, because I never said it. You should try though. I mean just to back up your claim or lie that is.
As far as Winston goes. There is a pattern here of the “I’m the big man on campus” entitlement thingy going on. That might become a problem for him if doesn’t knock that shyte off. I make no excuses for his actions. Although he did say in a letter about the issue that he forgot to pay for some “items”. Which has me wondering did he order the crab legs from the seafood dept. and put them in his cart with other “items”and just forgot to pay for the crab by leaving them in the cart unnoticed? or Did he just order crab legs and walk out of the store without paying for them? From what I can tell the police say all he stole was crab legs and crawfish and there were no other “items”.
Hell he needs to be questioned further about that “items” thingy. “Items” makes it sound like he did pay for other things and forgot to pay for the crab legs. Knowing that there is probably a 10% chance that the clerk or bag boy might have missed them in his cart,I’d have to take what the police said as what really happened. I also think Winston would have made it clear that he did pay for the other “items”in his statement.
But NO, nope you won’t find where I have ever said I was worried about Johnny and Mons Venus or his partying ways. I could care less about all that crap. You especially should know that by now.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:14 pm
BTW…what are you bored or something? Why are you poking that damn stick at me again. I can understand the confusion where you might have thought I said it, since JBF is like 50% of my sad life and I’m always posting on here left and right.
Now I may have said something along the lines of the Glazers just got rid of a party animal (Freeman) and there is no way in hell that they want to go through that again. I can see me saying something like that a couple of months back. So if you find anything it will be along those lines.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:19 pm
If L&L want a fast and athletic QB, then McCown is their guy. McCown is faster, stronger, and bigger than Manziel. It appears that the Bucs are intentionally shifting towards becoming a faster team. I don’t see how it gets better than McCown’s 4.59 40 yard dash, 38 vert, and 120 broad.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Jordan…is that what he runs now or what he ran 12 years ago?
April 30th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Yes I am bored, and that response was exactly what I needed.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Bucs Draft Says:
Remember when the Bucs got rid of Steve Young? Glennon could be that guy. Or he could go to practice squad and we actually trade a RB for a better draft pick.
Hawaiian Buc Says:
Comparing Mike Glennon to Steve Young, lmao. I didn’t know there were so many comedians on this site.
I think what he is saying is that getting rid of Glennon could restart the QB Curse. He might be right.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
How about all of his luster to those who thought he had any to begin with.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:54 pm
I don’t remember seeing Tedford’s opinion on McCown, I may have missed it. Lovie, he of the low offensive esteem, obviously wanted his familiar QB. Draft a QB at 7, I’ll go with it, anyone to make this team better. Manziel, hell yeah if he is there. Other QB’s also, it’s a crapshoot. We aint never had a special one. If the choice fails, we struck out again. Most think Glennon will shortly be Bucs history. Gee Mike, we hardly knew you. I again say keep him.
April 30th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
There are two players on the Bucs that are immune to being cut or traded. That’s McCoy and David. You guys aren’t getting it. The new admin does not like this team. They have not offered one player a lower salary to stay. They don’t want them, period!
Glennon is gone like most of them will be. You guys are arguing whether he’s any good or not. They don’t care! They are going to put a totally new product on the field and they’re not asking your permission! Get over it, your favorite player is more than likely DOA!
April 30th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
I bet if they let Glennon go he will be the next ex-Buc to win a Super Bowl. History always repeats itself.
April 30th, 2014 at 8:42 pm
“Glennon is gone like most of them will be.”
@Mumbles…remember you said that. I know I will.
April 30th, 2014 at 8:55 pm
Buc1987… If you can’t see Winston is getting special treatment for his crimes then you are not being honest. State law enforcement and Tallahassee FSU connections are covering up criminal activity. That say’s a lot about the State of Florida’s overall criminal government.
April 30th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
Bucfan#37…crimes as in there is 2 crimes committed? So far all I see is one. He stole $32.00 worth of crab legs from Publix. He was never charged with the other event. So there is only 1 crime committed. A misdemeanor.
What treatment would you and I get for stealing $32.00 in crab legs from Publix? If it’s the first offense, probably the same damn thing. What did you expect jail time? You actually THINK he’s getting special treatment by law enforcement on this matter? He got what you and I would have gotten. No special treatment.
Whatever…go Gators! ah ha ha ha ha NOPE Go Noles!
This is where you tell me that you’re a Noles fan too.
April 30th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
Jameis Winston goes to FSU: “Free Seafood University”.
April 30th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
“But just looking at our roster right now – and we had a good chance to see our guys in action (at our minicamp) last week – Josh McCown is a good quarterback that could lead us to a lot of victories.
“And Mike Glennon is an excellent quarterback. And Mike Kafka is good. We feel pretty good about our guys that we have right now even though there are a lot of good options at the QB position.”
-Lovie Smith
Glennon ain’t going anywhere get over it. We just need Watkins or Evans then Su-a-fila (In sure that’s spelled wrong) from UCLA or Yankey from or even Stanford or Jackson from Miss. State and we will be good.
April 30th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
Realis1…many fans are about to find out soon that Glennon is staying in Tampa Bay. Do I think he’s starting material? Nope probably not yet. With a decent O-line, a real RB threat, and WR’s other than Vjax at his disposal he might someday be starting material. Since he was stuck with such a lack of talent surrounding him during his rookie year, he’s been hard to gauge. Perhaps if he had a full compliment of starting talent around him last season then I might be able to figure his deal out. He didn’t have any of those and I think(and no one knows what these guys are thinking) Lovie is taking that into consideration and does not see them as excuses like some of the posters on JBF. Joe included.
April 30th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
For those of you who thought Glennon’s poor production was caused by his bad OL, explain to me how Freeman behind the same OL almost beat the Saints in their first game in 2013, but behind the same OL Glennon got creamed by the same Saints in the second game. I am waiting. And comparing sack magnet Glennon to the highly athletic and mobile Steve Young is sacrilege! Also, when Glennon was the QB why did James and all the backs after Duggie went down have such good yards per carry behind the same OL you are trying to scapegoat for Glennon’s terrible yards per game and one loss after another and no bringing his team back? That dog can’t hunt! His indecision and lack of mobility caused many unnecessary sacks th
April 30th, 2014 at 10:11 pm
For those of you who thought Glennon’s poor production was caused by his bad OL, explain to me how Freeman behind the same OL almost beat the Saints in their first game in 2013, but behind the same OL Glennon got creamed by the same Saints in the second game. I am waiting. And comparing sack magnet Glennon to the highly athletic and mobile Steve Young is sacrilege! Also, when Glennon was the QB why did James and all the backs after Duggie went down have such good yards per carry behind the same OL you are trying to scapegoat for Glennon’s terrible yards per game and one loss after another and no bringing his team back? That dog can’t hunt! His indecision and lack of mobility caused many unnecessary sacks that cost our OL their jobs!!! FACE IT GLENNON IS A LOSER AND HAS TO GO.
April 30th, 2014 at 10:24 pm
Owlykat,
We lost to the Saints 16-14 in week 2 last year. Freeman was 11-21 w a pick and a fumble lost.
Breed had 2 int’s, one returned 85 yards for a td by mason foster.
Also, jimmy graham had more yards receiving than Freeman did throwing.
Our D sacked Brees 4.5 times.
Why is Glennon on the roster still, if he sucks so bad? Why isn’t Freeman, Penn, Joseph, Zuttah, or Larsen on the team?
If Glennon sucked that bad, would we not cut him? Give me a break.
April 30th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
“For those of you who thought Glennon’s poor production was caused by his bad OL.”
owlykat…I have yet to see anyone cite that o-line was the only problem for the ROOKIE Mike Glennon. Nice of you to cite a 5th yr vet in Freeman though during the Saints game. A game Freeman sucked ass in. The defense kept them in the game throughout most of the game. The offense basically did diddly squat. If you actually think that the Bucs almost beat the Saints with Freeman, because of Freeman, than you’re a crack head or have a short memory. I was at that game. The offense did nothing against the Saints, which is what they did against most teams with Freeman or Glennon.
I hope that clarifies it for you.
April 30th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
Stevek…I’m not MGM by no means, but I saw what I saw. I make no excuses for the rookie. I state facts that the young man had to endure. I won’t even be upset if he’s traded or let go. I see him as a VERY reliable back up. You know reliable back up, the same thing McCown has been most of his entire NFL career.
April 30th, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Buc1987
I remember conversing with you after the Aints game. That was the game you began to realize Josh wasn’t the QB you thought he was. That is the game that you noticed that Josh didn’t go through his progressions and missed plenty of wide open receivers.
April 30th, 2014 at 11:45 pm
rdbucfan…yup and I’m still waiting for owlykat to respond. I know it’s late 11:43 PM and all, but he did say ” I am waiting”. Then he disappears. Perhaps he read something that made sense to him and the waiting is over now or has nothing to fire back with. Oh well.
May 1st, 2014 at 12:35 am
1987 is either in denial, or is incredibly naive to believe Winston is innocent in the rape case. I would venture to say that if it was your daughter, or even if he wasn’t the QB of your team, you would want him locked up for life. So funny how our fanhood gets in the way of common sense, as well as our morality.
May 1st, 2014 at 3:34 am
Yo…does anyone know how to change a screen name?
May 1st, 2014 at 7:18 am
The Bucs need to get Johnny Football for two reasons confidence & leadership. These are two things the Bucs are lacking and Johnny has no shortage of. He makes everyone around him better and finding players that can do that is rare. He is the very best player in the draft. I sure hope we can find a way to get him on our team. After watching the nightmare of a team put out there by Morris & Schiano for the last few years it would be nice to see a team with some leadership & swagger.
May 1st, 2014 at 7:45 am
I’m not comparing MG to SY by no means, but obviously the Bucs didn’t think that high of Steve Young either and got rid of him. All I’m saying.
May 1st, 2014 at 8:58 am
Patrick Says
“Whatever happened to letting a rookie develop and not giving up on him after one season??”
Even if the Bucs draft a QB, Mike Glennon can still do this. When it comes down to it, his future here is in his own hands. If he shows up and wows the coaches, he will earn his spot. He can make Lovie decide to keep three QBs.
No one expected Brady to be good. He was a backup. When Bledsoe went down he got his shot and force his coach to name him starter. Glennon is in the same role.
Personally, I saay draft Carr, keep Glennon and start McCown. McCown will get injured at some point this season. Put in Glennon then. That will be his shot. At worst he will gain trade value. At best he will blow all our minds. Don’t even consider starting Carr until next year after refining the oline.
Bad oline doomed David Carr. Don’t do the same to Derek.
May 1st, 2014 at 9:18 am
Buc1987 Says
“…I’m not MGM by no means…”
That’s a double negative, so you just said you ARE MGM. 😉
Btw, do you belieeve the oline will be good this year? I don’t. Too many holes. Not enough picks. That oline won’t be fixed any sooner than next year.
And I believe Zuttah’s replacement will be an issue.
May 1st, 2014 at 12:29 pm
“Btw, do you belieeve the oline will be good this year?”
I think it all really hinges on Nicks and the draft. I really do and that’s a scary thought.
May 1st, 2014 at 12:38 pm
Hawaiian Buc…I’m saying he’s innocent until proven guilty. I wonder if the allegations were alleged against you, if you would expect the same.
Then again if you’re not even charged with the crime to begin with, you don’t get your day in court.
Tell I what I am in denial of though. I don’t think there was a cover up at all by law enforcement. I’ve yet to see anything that points to a cover up, but people want to speculate, so let them speculate.
Back to back National Champs here we come. Bring on the playoffs.
May 1st, 2014 at 1:15 pm
You’ve yet to see anything that points to a cover up? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!! My goodness, what the hell have you been reading? As fun as this would be to argue, it’s really not a laughing matter, and you are obviously so biased in your support that it’s not going to matter what I say, or anyone else says for that matter.
I’ll just leave it at this : having an uncle who is a major booster in Tallahassee for over 25 years, things like this get swept under the rug quite often. They are far from the only school that does such a thing, but it does happen. In the case of Winston, it’s the worst kept secret. Everyone who has any connection with the school knows the truth, and it ain’t pretty.
May 1st, 2014 at 2:10 pm
I know the gators and other schools have also had problems with criminal behavior on their atheletic teams, but the Florida State Criminoles have to be at the top of the list, for now anyways.
May 1st, 2014 at 2:28 pm
Until Winston shoots a guy in the face, Aaron Hernandez is top of the hill.
Anyone see that Ohio State is being investigated by the feds for Title IX violations in athletics as well? Boy, what a treasured saint that Urban Meyer is. One of the most biggest phonies in the history of college football.
May 1st, 2014 at 4:04 pm
As a Gators fan I agree that we had the worst of the worst with Hernandez. it will take a long time for someone to pass that. Although all of the puns and stuff have been entertaining, it’s disturbing for FSU and NFL teams. This is the 4th time he has done something that has put his name out there in negative light.
The burger king soda thing isn’t a big thing except according to the clerk, she gave him a water cup and he kept filling it up with soda even when she would confront him. Just a glimpse that he didn’t care about the repercussions when caught and in the end nothing was done. Eh, not a massive deal as it’s just soda.
Then we have the BB gun incident where they caused over 4k in damage. Well according to the report no charges were filed because a FSU official spoke with the owner and convinced him that the students would pay him for the damages. So nothing was done.
Then we have the rape incident, innocent until proven guity, but you have to admit that TPD dropped the ball in a major way. What gets me most about the rape incident is how everyone used the initial description of the suspect that the woman provided as to why it wasn’t Winston. She said the suspect was like a 5’11 male and Jameis is like 6’3. But then as soon as the DNA came out as a match it changed to, well they did it but it was consensual.
On to this most recent issue, you walk out of a Publix with like 4lbs of crab. It’s not like taking a pack of gum on accident. It’s just one thing after another and although you can say that this is is “first” offense, it’s not. Dude drives like a 50k SUV and he steals crab legs, it’s just hard to fathom.
May 1st, 2014 at 4:19 pm
I’m a Gator fan (although I’ve lost my hatred for the other Florida schools since I’ve been away from the state for so long), but the Gators are without a doubt just as bad as FSU, probably much worse. There isn’t a shred of evidence that shows otherwise.
As for Urban Meyer, it’s hopefully going to end badly for him. He has absolutely zero morals. He’s an embarrassment to college athletics.
May 1st, 2014 at 5:38 pm
This is why Joe thinks that Winston has some psychological problem. Either that, or he is beyond stupid.
Hard for Joe to believe a guy that stupid can run an offense like Fisher has. It’s not exactly “Hey, go deep and I will throw you the ball.” Which makes Joe think either Winston needs to see a shrink or the next time — and there will be a next time — it is going to be very ugly.
Dude just dodged the bullet of a lifetime. Most people with a nickel’s worth of common sense would be laying low. Not shoplifting.
May 1st, 2014 at 6:09 pm
I agree Joe, it has to be more than just being stupid. Three issues before he even started his first game and four off field issues with only one season of play in the books. There are just some people who can’t break habits like this and so far only a citation to show for it, that’s luck. You would think FSU would have someone assigned to him to keep him out of trouble.
Now Hernandez wasn’t a QB but still projected to be a mid round pick but just couldn’t break old habits like killing folks I guess. Goes to show it doesn’t matter how much money you have, it’s hard to change who you are. Maybe if someone in Gainesville or even earlier had stepped up and not let Hernandez get away with the small stuff cause he was good at football maybe it wouldn’t have gone down the same path.
Not saying Winston is going to murder anyone but teaching him a lesson now that he’s not greater than the law might help him more as a person than it hurts him and his draft stock. Are we more about making great football players more than making great people? Next time something like this happens to a UF player I will be the first asking for them to be suspended, not that my opinion matters. It just feels like we are making a turn for the worst in sports. Oh, he only stole something or oh he only beat his wife.