Glennon Trade Chatter Identifies Targets
April 27th, 2014
Talk of Mike Glennon getting shipped out of Tampa has entered the national discussion of quarterback balance in the NFL.
No surprise there. It was Lovie Smith (not Joe, as some fans believe) who stripped Glennon of his starting role and asked him to take a backseat to journeyman Josh McCown.
The Around The League crew at NFL.com studied the state of Glennon and various trade scenarios, all assuming the Bucs draft a quarterback they believe is there future franchise guy.
They named four potential targets:
Tennessee Titans: Coach Ken Whisenhunt has worked with pure pocket passers such as Ben Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner and Philip Rivers. He’s been doing his due diligence on prospects leading up to the draft, suggesting a young quarterback is on the radar. The most obvious connection, though, is new quarterbacks coach John McNulty, who tutored Glennon in Tampa last season.
Arizona Cardinals: Similar to Whisenhunt, Arians has always preferred big, strong-armed quarterbacks for his vertical offense. Glennon conducted a private workout for the Cardinals last season, and NFL Media columnist Michael Silver confirmed the team’s interest in the former NC State star as Carson Palmer’s eventual successor. We’re not buying Arians’ contention that Palmer will be under center for the next three or four years.
New England Patriots: Schiano evaluated Glennon as the best quarterback in last year’s draft. Perhaps he’s shared that sentiment with football confidant Bill Belichick. Picking up Glennon for a mid-to-late-round draft pick would give the Patriots another option with Ryan Mallett due to hit free agency next offseason. It could also lead, in turn, to a Mallett trade.
Chicago Bears: The Bears worked out Glennon last April, a sign that noted quarterback whisperer Marc Trestman’s interest was piqued entering the draft. McCown’s defection to Tampa has left Chicago with a glaring vacancy behind Jay Cutler.
Joe buys the logic in Chicago, Arizona and New England, but not in Tennessee, where Joe would be stunned if Whisenhunt invested in Glennon.
It’s worth noting Bucs general manager Jason Licht worked inside the Arizona and New England regimes.
For those thinking New England might draft a quarterback next month, Joe recently listened to an interview of longtime Patriots beat writer Tom Curran, who explained that Tom Brady is not a mentor and his attitude toward a rookie QB would be one of an enemy threat to his throne. Curran speculated the Patriots were more likely to trade for a backup or sign a veteran.
April 27th, 2014 at 8:38 am
Read that story yesterday…. Not here. –Joe
April 27th, 2014 at 8:42 am
I’m sure the Bucs organization really appreciates your efforts to propagate the smoke screen.
Yes, surely Joe is somehow affecting the thoughts of GMs across the league. Don’t be ridiculous. –Joe
April 27th, 2014 at 8:45 am
I don’t want to talk about this. I just want to stick my head in the sand and hope it all passes.
I realize Glennon probably wont become the starter, but dag gonnit, I love this kid and want him to stay.
April 27th, 2014 at 8:54 am
this guy had a horrible offensive line protecting him last year. he also had below average wrs surrounding him besides vincent jackson. and he still manage to play as a very solid starter last year for tampa. and now we want to trade him smhh. im not even in the glennon mob but how sure are we that bridgewater or these other guys are better than glennon. alot of fans are promoting jonny football or bortles but have you seen our receiver depth is flat out below average. im just hoping to god the bucs pick up mike evans because that makes the bucs much better than picking up a qb in the first round.
April 27th, 2014 at 8:57 am
I read another article on this subject and it stated that schiano was working with belechick in some sort of consulting role. I went to Wikipedia and it listed schiano as head coach of the raiders. Funny stuff.
April 27th, 2014 at 8:59 am
So Tom Brady would consider Glennon an enemy threat to his throne. Brady is probably about washed up. Glennon has more upside to his career.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:10 am
Brady is on the downside of his career. Glennon is the opposite. Can’t wait to get him out of here, can you.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:13 am
Sure is a lot of talk about a player who some deem to be unworthy even of a backup role. Glennon has been mentioned more than quite a few QB’s this off season. Someone must see something in this kid. Most would agree at least he belongs in the NFL.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:19 am
The offensive line will not be any better this year. Probably worse. Even if the 2-3 guys we need are drafted or signed from amongst the UNFAs, it will take time for them to pick up the system and gel.
THAT’s why I don’t see McCown lasting the entire season healthwise. A career backup will not be able to handle the regular pounding of starting, let alone the increased pounding the new oline will allow.
For that reason, regardless of what Lovie said early on, I believe the Bucs MUST keep three QBs. Only two will be active each game, but they will need a 3rd stringer that can become a second stringer in a pinch.
Glennon is going nowhere. This is all hype created by a few journalists with nothing better to talk about.
That said…
…if Jason Licht gets less than a third rounder, it will be another reason to hate him. Glennon is better than any SECOND ROUNDER at this point. Licht should at least be able to get the initial investment in return.
But he sucks at trades, so I don’t expect it.
After all, Glennon was only the Offensive Rookie of the Year.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:22 am
Give Mike Glennon a chance damn! If have success on another team as starter will be ridiculous.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:27 am
Trade Glennon! Hurry, get him out of here. What a bunch of BS. The anti Glennon mob has it’s leader.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:30 am
Glennon is immobile, inaccurate, and weak armed on long throws. He disappears in the second half. All the things that Smith has stated he wants in a starter. Last place offense isn’t a ringing endorsement, either.
Even if he was the best QB out of that years crop of turd QBs.
Nice kid- but not a franchise QB
But man, even Maziel won’t top his pull!!!
So many JoeBuc readers are gonna be crying puddles the day he’s traded. Sedative sells will be Waaaay up.
I bet the amount of Flowers,candy, and undergarments sent to him, will outweigh Johnny footballs take, when he pulls out of union Station.
Of course, men’s boxers weigh more than a co-Eds G-string!!
Either way, at least Glennon will be loved on his way out.
He deserves it. He’s a good guy.
Just not Lovies Guy
April 27th, 2014 at 9:41 am
I’m not seeing what’s so great about Glennon how was our O rank last year. People say well no Martin no wide outs. Really hmm every back played well and how May teams have VJ. I could throw 19 td to VJ
April 27th, 2014 at 9:42 am
Lovie and Tedford reviewed 13 games worth of tape. Talked to players. Talked to opposing coaches from last year.
And after that, traded for McCown- and immediately said that He is the starting QB.
You guys aren’t that thick, are you.
They have made it clear- Glennon is not their man
No matter how unhappy that makes the MGM boys
April 27th, 2014 at 9:42 am
What was Glennons passing yards a game 200
April 27th, 2014 at 9:44 am
My prediction if he’s traded. Keep in mind this is a WAG like everyone else’s this time of year. Putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 3, with Schiano consulting with Belichick, and Belichick’s love for any big TE, the Pats will take Glennon and Luke Stocker in a package deal for a draft pick. I’ve lied enough, you have to come up with what pick yourself!
If you add to that the rumor that the Texans will trade out of #1, pick up several draft picks and trade a pick for QB Ryan Mallett, this all starts to make sense.
Or it’s the worst bullspit I could make up on a “dying for the draft” Sunday morning! lol
April 27th, 2014 at 9:44 am
He plays the same each half, but the defensive play calling in the second half was so terrible it made the whole team look bad. Case in point the no huddle march against the miners.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:50 am
If we trade Glennon he will become the next Steve Young
April 27th, 2014 at 9:50 am
I could care less what the Bucs do or don’t do with players right now. I think the Team seems to be pretty close knit and they will be vastly improved behind Josh McCown. I wasn’t impressed with Glennon but the offensive line did nothing for him. And you wonder why they blew the whole O line up. Dumping Glennon helps to erase the few remaining memories of Little Hitler, whose name should never be spoken again.
April 27th, 2014 at 9:53 am
Against the 9ers he passed for 179 that’s not real good. Doesn’t look like a starter to me
April 27th, 2014 at 9:56 am
There are so many freakin holes on this team…. our new “starting” QB is a 35 year old career journeyman who has 14 starts in his last 5 years, we have one NFL quality WR, our interior offensive line is in disarray, and we have no depth and few good backups….and here we are talking about shipping out the offensive rookie of the year, who led an equally cruddy and banged up team last year to some impressive wins, who according to Jon Gruden “there aren’t many guys on the planet that can make the kind of throws” he can, and showed he has what it takes to be a successful QB in this league…for a mid round draft choice! All so we can draft another QB who is a complete unknown quantity in the NFL! Does this fix the holes on our O-line? NOPE! Does this prevent our opponents from triple teaming VJax? NOPE! Does this prevent our 35 year old QB from being sacked every other time he drops back to pass? NOPE! If Lovie/Licht DO end up trading Glennon for a 4th or 5th round pick, I will be actively rooting for them to get fired because obviously they will have shown that they are too stupid to run an NFL franchise! PERIOD!
April 27th, 2014 at 10:02 am
I see 3 teams with excellent NFL QB developers on that list. Perhaps those guys who are very good at developing NFL QBs are interested because they see something worth developing. And any of those teams would already have paid a 4th rounder if Glennon was available…and I’ll keep saying it but he’s not. Why isn’t he? Perhaps the Bucs are waiting to be sure they draft the guy they want, but that’s the approach that guarantees getting low-balled for Glennon. If they don’t think Glennon is the guy, why not trade him now for max value? Who cares if you “miss” on the guy you want, if you see no futute on the team for Glennon? Perhaps thats the point, they do see a future for Glennon…
As to Tennessee, why wouldn’t they be interested? Jake Locker’s best season isn’t as good as the season Glennon had last year, none of his seasons are really even close. So being “stunned” is a bit of a stretch, he’s better than Locker, and unlike any rookie, has shown promise at the NFL level. Why wouldn’t teams be interested? It’s been said by a respected analyst that Glennon is far more advanced than RGIII. That people want to straight up give up on that to select the smaller, whiter RGIII (Manziel) is puzzling.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:02 am
Get Glennon out of here, he has no future as a starter in the nfl. Let some other team make the mistake of handing him the keys.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:03 am
@Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
“…if Jason Licht gets less than a third rounder, it will be another reason to hate him. Glennon is better than any SECOND ROUNDER at this point. Licht should at least be able to get the initial investment in return.”
I totally agree. I read an article yesterday that the writer attempted to assess the trade value of Glennon based on previous trades of QBs in the past few years. The article convinced me MG8 is worth at least a 3rd rd pick, and as you said, he is better than any 2nd rd. IMO, he clearly played better last year than his 3rd rd status would indicate.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:03 am
I guess Drew Bledsoe should have treated Brady the same way.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:12 am
And can we all stop saying he was the rookie of the year, cuz he wasn’t! That was Eddie Lacy. Jesus, at least know what you’re talking about. He was the best rookie QB, but somehow the best rookie QB lead the worst offense. Yep, that’s how bad he and the other rookie QB’s were.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:18 am
Duemig claims he had an off the record convo with Gregory, in which Gregory himself said they were looking to trade Glennon.
Make of that what you will and remember that Gregory went through QBs like toilet paper while at Rutgers. Remember Tom Savage, a guy I’ve heard some draftniks drooling over as an under the radar QB? Former Schiano Man.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:21 am
Keep em coming Joe. We need all the smoke screens we can get so the Non-QB we want falls to us. Keep up the good work! Less than 2 weeks away before joe throws the biggest tantrum ever when we pass on Manziel ans crush his hopes and dreams. Don’t no fear it’ll only get better once Glennon takes the starting Job come September!!
April 27th, 2014 at 10:22 am
He was the QB rookie of the year Walter. Jesus, everything has to be spelled out for you haters. I guess common sense is asking to much.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:24 am
@Couch Fan
I really hope Glennon never starts for us again. He was terrible. We need a player with a higher ceiling, more potential.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:26 am
@Couch Fan
He was the best rookie QB, that doesn’t make him a rookie of the year! It just means the QB class of that year sucked, which they did.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:29 am
Wow I’ve heard it all now!!! We really do have some dense fans, this goes way beyond being a homer. So let me get this straight, glennon led the worst ranked offense in the NFL and it was because we had below average receivers? Of course except Vjack right…lol who had better receivers than us in our own division besides the saints. Falcons no Julio Jones or Roddy White, Carolina had what? Trade noodle are because I don’t think I could stomach fans screaming glennons name if josh mccown plays like he did his entire career
April 27th, 2014 at 10:31 am
If the Patriots are truly interested, Glennon should ask for that trade. Bill Belichik or Lovie Smith and the Bucs QB Graveyard? Hmmm…such a tough choice!
April 27th, 2014 at 10:32 am
Hey uhh Walter. Terrible is an overstatement of the highest order. If the Jets or Cardinals had Glennon as QB last year they’d have gone to the playoffs. Seeing as we haven’t been there in 7 years, I’d take that “terrible”. The fact the offense around him last year was a dumpster fire is irrelevant, every QB ever is expected the excel at a hall of fame when everything around him falls apart.
There are 4 QBs ever who had 10 more TDs than INTs their rookie year. Marino…Russell Wilson…RGIII…Glennon…
April 27th, 2014 at 10:32 am
I think Arizona is a potential fit but keep in mind , glennon isn’t the only back up that’s being shopped. Patriots must know there is a 99.9% chance Mallett is gone next year as a UFA. Why not get a 3rd for him? Arizona probably has preference for him.
Back to glennon: I don’t see Tampa getting a 3rd in return. If they’re lucky, they may get a 5th for him.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:32 am
@buc4lyfe
These people act like Glennon showed any signs of being a good Qb. All he showed me was that he can throw a Checkdown and run 10 yards backwards when he feels pressure coming.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:36 am
Walter Says:
April 27th, 2014 at 10:32 am
@buc4lyfe
These people act like Glennon showed any signs of being a good Qb. All he showed me was that he can throw a Checkdown and run 10 yards backwards when he feels pressure coming.
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And people want to hate Glennon without using the important thing know as “Facts”. Like saying all he showed was he could checkdown….except he led the NFL is yards gained in the air (i.e. NOT checkdowns). But ignore that fact if you will…
April 27th, 2014 at 10:36 am
@Walter
I want a trillion dollars deposited in a foreign account that I can spend on whatever I like but that isn’t going to happen either. How’s it feel to want?
April 27th, 2014 at 10:36 am
I’d have to disagree with you Walter. Glennon was a product of bad play calling and nothing more. Like how people say his arm strength sucked, would tell me they never seen a collage tape. Kid has a cannon! I’m not even MGM, but know that much about him.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:37 am
@bucrightoff
Just because he threw 19 tds to only 9ints doesn’t mean he had a good season, it means he made safe throws and didn’t take very many risks, which we all saw is what happened, loads of check downs and the occasional off target dee ball. He’s a mediocre talent at QB.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:38 am
And btw are you having reading comprehension issues? Rookie QB of the year and Rookie of the year are 2 different things. But hey keep being a stooge and making excuses for why he won an award. LMAO
April 27th, 2014 at 10:39 am
@Couch Fan
If he’s starting at any point in the season, it only means that McCown failed miserably.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:41 am
it means he made safe throws and didn’t take very many risks
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That describes 95% of rookie QBs. If he took risks and turned the ball over, all that would do is give haters like you a real reason to hate on him. Keep trying though, its entertaining to listen to your ranting.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:41 am
McCown is a 34 year old back up, Failing miserably would not be surprising.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:42 am
@Couch Fan
he won an award for being the shiniest turd of the bunch. Congrats to him hahaha
April 27th, 2014 at 10:43 am
Walter Says:
April 27th, 2014 at 10:37 am
@bucrightoff
Just because he threw 19 tds to only 9ints doesn’t mean he had a good season, it means he made safe throws and didn’t take very many risks, which we all saw is what happened, loads of check downs and the occasional off target dee ball. He’s a mediocre talent at QB.
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But he didn’t have loads of checkdowns. Jesus how hard is this to understand? He has the highest % of yards in the NFL come through the air. The formula to determine yards is YAC (not through the air, mostly from checkdowns) and yards travelled through the air (i.e. passes downfield). Mike Glennon led the NFL in the later…meaning he’s not captain checkdown as you believe. If you’d like to hate him, fine, but making stuff up to justify your disdain is pretty sad.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:43 am
Walter,
Weren’t you the one that kept calling me and couch fan “haters’ last year because we didn’t want Freeman even before the season began?
WALTER KNOWS QBs
April 27th, 2014 at 10:43 am
@ Walter….. Thinking you just talk and don’t actually watch our team. Schiano was against taking chances, which means Glennon could do but so much. But lets live in your world where everything Glennon does sucks. You should stay quiet my friend
April 27th, 2014 at 10:48 am
Exactly Mike and Lightning… This guy talks just to hear himself hate. Lol, quite amusing.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:50 am
@ Lightning and Bucrightoff….. No need to to talk to this clown, cause he obviously doesn’t watch Buc football. I’m guessing he’s a stinking kitties fan
April 27th, 2014 at 10:50 am
Yes, I remember having all kinds of arguments with Walter about Freeman’s sorry @ss last off season. How did his risk taking ways work out for ya?
April 27th, 2014 at 10:51 am
@The MGM
You guys can keep choking on Glennon’s dick, his days as the Bucs starting QB are over. You guys can protest all you want, but obviously the guys who make the decisions (Lovie & Licht) don’t see what you do. Only Schiano saw Mike as our franchise QB, and he’s unemployed now.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:51 am
You call him glen on but his real name is noodles we that weak arm or captain check down.
A product of bad play calling. Put down the crackpipe and slowly walk away. Offense and defense got subjected to bad play calling umm hello noodles was the rookie not schiano or sully so what kind of dumb excuse is that. That same bad play calling led the 7th ranked offense the year before. Dead last in offense and the pathetic part is the offense was completely changed to fit his skill set. Which is check down. Mr. Dink and dunk. Glennon sucks sweaty schismo ballz
April 27th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Glennon is a nice guy but a joke of a QB…. You people making all these excuses and coming up with Fake / BS awards. Rookie QB of Year Give me a break NO such award other than in Glennon land. Captain Check Down can’t get out of his own way.
His future will be co hosting some useless radio show with his brother in 2 years. accept it and move on. and for god’s sake raise your damn standards and want and demand you team win and puts the best talented players on the field. glennon is not that. All you that bash JW in blind support of Glennon are just like a jealous clique of little girls, making up facts and twisting mathematics….
Thanks for the entertainment and it’s hilarious how serious some of you take yourselves on an entertainment blog. This is not the real world folks that is reserved for the pros at one buc palace not excuse makers for a mediocore QB…
And wake up to those who think the bucs can get anything other than a 6 or 7 round pick for Glennon. Anything higher and it will be felony theft on the part of Licht. Please do research about previous trades and what he compensation and values are. Glennon is no where close to a 2nd or 3rd round in trade value. WAKE UP… Reality people!!!!
April 27th, 2014 at 10:53 am
Lol you guys are so cute though, ganging up on a commenter on a blog. You guys think wayyyy to highly of yourselves.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:54 am
im on board with aaron donald at 7 or mike evans
April 27th, 2014 at 10:55 am
WALTER KNOWS QBs!
Freeman will be taking over for Eli before the season opener, right Walter?
April 27th, 2014 at 10:56 am
@ buc4lyfe…… And that’s a joke. Nobody knew the play calling, and after having an off season to study, what happened? Kinda reminds me of our 10-6 season and we went back to sucking as before
April 27th, 2014 at 10:56 am
@lightning
Freeman’s lucky to have a job after that epic meltdown.
April 27th, 2014 at 10:57 am
Walter Says:
April 27th, 2014 at 10:53 am
Lol you guys are so cute though, ganging up on a commenter on a blog. You guys think wayyyy to highly of yourselves.
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Ganging up? No…it’s called using facts to counter stupidity. We’re simply providing some clarity to this blog, plus lifting the average poster IQ to an acceptable level.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:00 am
I’m meh on a QB bucsalltheway! I’d like Evens, Mack, or best OT @ 7. I don’t mention Watkins because he won’t be there @ 7. I could wish tho! Lol
April 27th, 2014 at 11:00 am
Bonzai-ur an absolute moron. Keep ur opinions under a rock where u belong. Ya the oline will be worse this year. Just a couple guys that don’t gve sacks brought in and the highest paid guard healthy. Ur already calling for McCown to get hurt and said Licht is bad at trading. Yaaaa that’s it. Like he didn’t try to trade the 16mill a year I won’t restructure corner. And he cldnt so ur right he can’t trade. God I hate 70% of my fellow Bucs fans. And joe don’t entertain these fools
April 27th, 2014 at 11:01 am
Lol @bucrightoff you just keep proving my point. You guys think you are smarter than the other posters, even though as it stand right now, Glennon is done as the starter in Tampa Bay, making you guys wrong. I mean, if Glennon is so good, why is he the backup to a backup???? You guys defend him so much, give me one reason why he isn’t the starter.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:02 am
It is not advisable to put a rookie QB behind a Terrible OL’
Now make that rookie QB a pocket passer with limited mobility.
Now take away his 1 and 2 RBs
Now take away his 2WR
Now give him an undrafted rookie TE
Top that off with the worst Coaching in the NFL
YUP definitely all that rookie’s fault
That same rookie threw 10TDs/1int. (NFL Record)
That same rookie threw a TD in each of his first eight games. (NFL Record)
YET some people still blame the 4 and 12 record on the rook rather than the personnel around him.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:02 am
We shall see the truth when the draft arrives.
A blinding truth that causes the people to run in fear,
for lo, when the smoke clear-eth they shall ask of
Lovie how MG8 was not traded.
And Lovie shall say to them,
“Ye of little faith. You shall be led to the promised land,
by he whom you scorned.”
April 27th, 2014 at 11:04 am
Lol @bucrightoff you just keep proving my point.
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@walter
And you keep proving my point. Your love affair with Josh Freeman last offseason shows you don’t know crap about QBs.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:05 am
Walter Says:
April 27th, 2014 at 11:01 am
Lol @bucrightoff you just keep proving my point. You guys think you are smarter than the other posters, even though as it stand right now, Glennon is done as the starter in Tampa Bay, making you guys wrong. I mean, if Glennon is so good, why is he the backup to a backup???? You guys defend him so much, give me one reason why he isn’t the starter.
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Glennon is probably getting traded…we all know that. That you believe he’s the worst QB to ever play the position is just vitriol from you, and now that I know you’re a Freemanite it confirms my long held belief that the people who hate Glennon the most are the spurned Freemanites. Must suck knowing you put all your eggq in such a loser QBs basket. But hey he did try to ruin this franchise however he could, sounds like a real winner….
Likewise, Lovie had 1 offense in 9 years that didn’t rank in the bottom 10 in the league. I wouldn’t be so quick to trust Lovie knows much about anything except defense.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:08 am
Lol the “(not Joe, as some fans believe)” line was great!
April 27th, 2014 at 11:14 am
Walter, we dont think we are smarter than you. We know we are. We have already proven you wrong about the Freeman thing. Proving you wrong about Glennon will be next little buddy.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:20 am
JOE, I HAVE TRIED TO SUBMIT THIS TWICE BUT YOUR PROGRAM ERRONEOUSLY TRIED TO KILL IT SAYING I HAVE SAID ALL THIS BEFORE. PLEASE REVIEW YOUR FAULTY CENSOR. When Freeman won 10 games he had two reliable receivers, the No.1 receiver Williams, and his TE. Glennon had two reliable receivers last year, V-Jax (a better No. 1 receiver than Wms. at his best) and Wright both, and on top of that had a burner for his third receiver who could always catch the ball when wide open or after beating the defensive backs on go routes, but alligator arms when hearing steps close by. So Glennon Mob stop whining about he only had one receiver! The only reason Glennon was Rookie QB of the year was on QB rating which makes no distinction on the number of yards gained running or passing by the QB. Had it included the last statistic he would have by far been the bust QB of his rookie class because he achieved that high rating throwing to outlet receivers way too many times (and usually short of a first down) unless receivers were wide open or named Vjax and uncovered enough to leap for it because you could count on it being off target. The only reason the OL looked bad statistically was because of sacks being given up (just look at the yards per run by Mike and Rainey), but the main reason for that was that Glennon was a sack magnet when he wasn’t just dropping the ball without contact or fumbling on contact or looking like the wimp he was withering under the pressure of the fourth quarter and never able to bring the Bucs back for a win in the fourth quarter all year. So if another team is nuts enough to offer a 7th round pick for that loser, I would be trading him tomorrow. Our third string QB who didn’t even play last year looked as good as Turtle Glennon in the mini camp just concluded and it would be impossible for him to beat out Josh who looked terrific all three days! In fairness, however, he is a high character, smart QB, with a strong arm, and does have a future as a permanent backup QB in the NFL. New England would be perfect for him because Brady would have nothing to worry about, and I wish him the best anywhere else but with the Bucs.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:24 am
Haha okay Couch, I’m gonna table this argument until we see what happens with Glennon. If he gets cut, traded, or rides the bench all year, you better believe I’m going to remind you about how confident you were that we’d be “WINNIN’ WITH GLENNON!”
Deuces
April 27th, 2014 at 11:25 am
Joe I just sent you an original comment which your censor program continually rejected saying I had said it all before. If you don’t get your program fixed I won’t be using your site again. This is a free country and I see other posters resending the same posts repeatedly sometimes, so this is frustrating to me, to be singled out for censorship on an original post!
April 27th, 2014 at 11:28 am
Joe I will keep the censored comment for awhile here to post later if you tell me you have your program fixed.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:33 am
When Freeman won 10 games he had two reliable receivers, the No.1 receiver Williams, and his TE. Glennon had two reliable receivers last year, V-Jax (a better No. 1 receiver than Wms. at his best) and Wright both, and on top of that had a burner for his third receiver who could always catch the ball when wide open or after beating the defensive backs on go routes, but alligator arms when hearing steps close by. So Glennon Mob stop whining about he only had one receiver! The only reason Glennon was Rookie QB of the year was on QB rating which makes no distinction on the number of yards gained running or passing by the QB. Had it included the last statistic he would have by far been the bust QB of his rookie class because he achieved that high rating throwing to outlet receivers way too many times (and usually short of a first down) unless receivers were wide open or named Vjax and uncovered enough to leap for it because you could count on it being off target.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:36 am
Please stop with the Rookie QB of the year BS. There is no such award. There is OROY and DROY awards. That’s it. No one will argue Glennon was better than EJ Manuel and Geno Smith last year.
Also, please stop with the “Led the league in passing yards through the air” BS. Peyton Manning led the NFL in that category with 2795 of his 5477 yards coming through the air, 49% of his total yards, the rest were yards after the catch. So Manning led the NFL in Air Yards and it was still less than half of his total yards. Glennon, on the other hand, had 1683 of his 2608 yards through the air (albeit in 13 games, so he may have ranked higher with a full season), a whopping 64.5% of his total yards (this means he had very few of the total passing yards come as yards after catch, either because he was throwing to Dawson and Owusu or because the throws were off target and WRs had to stop, not because of “checkdowns” or deep throws). Please understand the statistic before you start quoting it. Saying it’s a good stat when it’s bad does not help your point.
To further that point, the 2012 leader in % of air yards was Sanchez, 2011 was Fitzpatrick, 2010 Kerry Collins (followed by John Skelton), 2009… the top 3 highest in % of air yards Byron Leftwich, Chris Redman, Josh Freeman. Starting to get the idea yet?
So, if a QB has a TON of total yards (which Glennon didn’t), he may also have a TON of Air Yards (which Glennon didn’t), but the % is typically less because the great QB gives his WRs a chance to run after the catch (which Glennon didn’t)
Lastly, Glennon isn’t the only Rookie QB to ever get thrown to the wolves behind a bad O-line, with horrible WRs and no running game (actually, the running game was better for Glennon than it was before Glennon). I have already posted previously about the Colts in Luck’s rookie season, the number of injuries (games lost to starters) and the Skins with RGIII as well. Yet both found success that year. If you really push, I’m sure I could dig up more rookie QB seasons, the injuries suffered and available threats on offense.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:40 am
Now as to the Glennon Mob trying to blame all of Glennon’s losing ways on his Offensive Line, the only reason the OL looked bad statistically was because of sacks being given up (just look at the yards per run by Mike and Rainey), but the main reason for that was that Glennon was a sack magnet when he wasn’t just dropping the ball without contact or fumbling on contact or looking like the wimp he was withering under the pressure of the fourth quarter and never able to bring the Bucs back for a win in the fourth quarter all year. If I was any of our linemen cut I would be saying it was Schiano’s fault for picking an inept pet to start at QB. So if another team is nuts enough to offer a 7th round pick for that loser, I would be trading him tomorrow. Our third string QB who didn’t even play last year looked as good as Turtle Glennon in the mini camp just concluded and it would be impossible for him to beat out Josh who looked terrific all three days! In fairness, however, he is a high character, smart QB, with a strong arm, and does have a future as a permanent backup QB in the NFL. New England would be perfect for him because Brady would have nothing to worry about, and I wish him the best anywhere else but with the Bucs.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:46 am
“even though as it stand right now, Glennon is done as the starter in Tampa Bay, making you guys wrong.”
“As it stands right now”..yes he is done as the starter in Tampa Bay. “As it stands right now” he’s the backup to McCown. Which is pretty much where I think he will be in September.
I don’t think they are going to throw this kid away. If they do. Then I’m wrong once again. (shrugs) It won’t be the first time.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:52 am
@bucrightoff Not picking a side here but where did you get your information on Glennon having the most passing yards via the air? Please inform me i would love to see those stats.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:55 am
The Glennon mob loves to try and make the Offensive Line the scapegoat when in fact the real problem was Glennon. If Glennon could have made yards with his feet he could have kept plays alive that ended up as counting as sacks against our OL. But if you look at the yards per run by Mike and by Rainey, our OL was not that bad last year. It was Glennon giving up all those sacks with his indecision and slow release. Our OL that got cut should not be happy Schiano rigged the Preseason to get his QB pet the starting job because it cost them their jobs with the Bucs.
April 27th, 2014 at 11:56 am
And i do not think Glennon is garbage, he is serviceable and have no problems with him competing on this team. Even if they draft another QB i still want Glennon atleast as the backup while the rookie holds the clipboard and learns.
April 27th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
My prediction. If the Bucs have a plan to draft any QB in any round of this draft, even outside of the first round. Glennon is out of here. Let’s just hope they do it pre-draft or during and before they take that QB off the board.
If they take a QB in the draft first and then try to trade Glennon after. That in my mind would make Licht look like a fool. I hope he’s smarter than that.
April 27th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
If we don’t have a QB that throws for 500 yes a game and 6 TDs we are terrible. Come on draft day. Sorry, I started talking like the faux fans of Tampa there. I don’t understand why our fans dislike good players so much.
April 27th, 2014 at 12:13 pm
Bambam, you’ve been shown this before, so here it is again
Pro Football Focus @PFF Apr 11
Highest percentage of passing air yards last season? Mike Glennon. 67.3% of his passing yards came in the air before the catch
So yeah….keep ignoring it if you’d like, but there it is. I have no idea where you’re getting your numbers from however.
April 27th, 2014 at 12:29 pm
Walter Says
“And can we all stop saying he was the rookie of the year, cuz he wasn’t! That was Eddie Lacy. Jesus, at least know what you’re talking about.”
He was nominated as offensive rookie of the year. He was chosen as the top rookie QB of the year to be on the Pro Footbal Writer of America All Rookie Team.
http://fansided.com/2014/01/14/best-rookie-quarterback-2013-mike-glennon/
April 27th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
bucrightoff …that doesn’t sound like Captain Checkdown to me. Even if he did live off check downs I would expect it for a rookie and a cautious coach.
April 27th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
And Walter, we said that because the article links to the article that made the claim.
Quote:
“As Glennon was collecting the Offensive Rookie of the Year award, NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell touted the 2013 third-round draft pick as “far more advanced” than Robert Griffin III.”
April 27th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
If Glennon was that good or fit the system they want to run do you really think they would’ve signed McCown or be open to drafting a QB?
Look, its as simple as this. Licht is a new GM and might not get another chance to be a GM somewhere else. Lovie got fired after a 10 win season! Do you really think these guys would bet their livelihood on Glennon? Would you? Would you bet your job on the fact that Mike would be successful without looking at another QB? My God, the man averaged under 5 yards a pass. Of course he was the best rook QB look who he went up against. These coaches know more football than we ever will and have been around plenty of QBs and obviously they’re not impressed. Neither am I. He plays scared and doesn’t push the ball down the field. Geez… some people act like we’re trying to trade McCoy.
April 27th, 2014 at 12:38 pm
bucrightoff Says
“Pro Football Focus @PFF Apr 11
Highest percentage of passing air yards last season? Mike Glennon. 67.3% of his passing yards came in the air before the catch.”
That stat is completely skewed.
Mike Glennon completed 59.4% of his passes for 2,608 yards. All passing yards come before the catch. His rating was 83.9. You can use false stats all you want, but this is from the source.
http://www.nfl.com/player/mikeglennon/2539275/profile
April 27th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
“If they take a QB in the draft”
lol Now I’m quoting myself. I just want to make it clear that I STILL don’t think they are going to draft a QB in this entire draft.
McCown, Glennon, Kafka 2014 Bucs Training camp.
April 27th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
False stats in what way? It’s called advanced stats. It just doesn’t look at things in black and white. They analyze all game tape to apply the stats, not just the box score. The analysis is based off game tape and subjective application of criteria, although yards through the air is theoretically a very easy one to apply (i.e the line of scrimmage to the point the ball is caught against total yards passed)
April 27th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
All passing yards come before the catch.
_________
HUH? Are you drinking Bonzai?
April 27th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Bonzai, you are the only ex freemanite that seems to have any sense left. I commend you for your honesty, i can respect you for that.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
I was a big Freemanite too…so maybe that does not bode well for Mr. Glennon. Then again I’m not part of this mythical MGM. I still think he’s just a back up, a very good back up. He could have a season down the road like McCown(career back up) did last season.
or
I can be entirely wrong like I was with Freeman and Glennon ends up starting over McCown at some point in the season.
or
or
The draft can’t get here quick ENOUGH!
April 27th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
Funny, they say Walter doesn’t know football,
But Prbucfan said that if we started Glennon, we would win every game Glennon started!! That’s no BS. He and Bucfan1987 both claimed Glennon would lead us to the playoffs last year!
That was probably the stupidest comments posted here!!! And they still sing his
Praises- even after his last place offense.
Boys- I don’t know what the attraction to ole Beaker is, but you better hurry up and get the last of yer knobberslobbering in!!
Cause It didn’t take L&L long to figure that Glennon isn’t there guy- even though he’s obviously yours! Same conclusion everyone BUT you boys have figured out
He’s a dead QB wannabe walking, fellas. Get your goodbye packages together
April 27th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
good !!! can’t wait to see all the lame cry baby glennon fans! lol go whine to schiano you bums
April 27th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
And we can’t wait to hear more of your whining when he’s starting next year you stooge.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
Back, from Davie Jones Locker says :
“Bucfan1987 both claimed Glennon would lead us to the playoffs last year!”
Pull that from the archives jackass.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
Actually pull it from the archives that anyone said it. Not just me. Those words would have never come out of my mind. I just wanted to see the kid play. I had, had enough of Freeman already by week 2 Saints @ Bucs. Everyone knew the season was already in the tank by the time Glennon took the field. NO ONE would have predicted playoffs with Glennon, outside of Robert. (devoted Glennon lover)
Pull that from the archives if you can. I’d like to see where some fool said that Glennon would lead the Bucs to the playoffs with that mess of an offense last season. If they did they had to be joking.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Glennon is getting screwed over big time. Josh McCown is a joke. He’s only had a handful of good games out of his 12 year career.
Looks like the Tampa media will win again.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
bucrightoff – % of air yards to total yards passing is meaningless to determine checkdown vs downfield passing. A high percentage of air yards means very few of the yards passing were after the catch. Two possible reasons for that would be inaccurate throws that force receivers to stop for the ball and get tackles immediately, another is waiting too long to throw (no anticipation of the route) which allows the defense to break on the route and make an immediate tackle when the ball arrives. A third possibility is that the receivers have great hands, but horrible feet and can’t run after they catch the ball.
A QB can throw a 2 yard checkdown and the receiver gain 1 yard before being tackled and the QB gets 67% of those yards “through the air”. Or a QB can throw a 7 yard slant, hit in stride, that goes for a 70 yard TD and he gets 10% of his yards through the air. The only way to have a high % of air yards and a high average air yards per attempt is if a QB waits 4 or 5 seconds for his WRs to run Go routes every play and he lofts it up for a 50 yard completion but the WR gets tackled right away every time. Glennon didn’t do that. His longest pass of the season was to Underwood, 85 yards, on a slant where at most 25% of those yards were “air yards”. That means he had a LOT of passes where 100% of the yards were “air yards” on short passes to bring both his total air yards down (to about 13th according to my stats) and his average air yards per attempt down as well.
Air yards should be about 50% or so, maybe 55%. Good QBs get the ball to their receivers and allow the receiver to gain the yardage. QBs that get the ball to receivers and don’t get YAC are typically not that good with accuracy and anticipation. Learn the stats, and what they mean, what they’re for, and you’ll get much better information from them.
According to advancednflstats, Glennon had 64.5% through the air. His average air yards per attempt was 4.0 tied with Weeden and B rees. Difference is, B rees was 50% air yards, so the same pass from him would gain 8 total yards while Glennon would only gain 6 total yards. Are you starting to see how the high % isn’t necessarily a good thing?
According to sportingcharts, Glennon’s average was tied with Phillip Rivers, but again, that was only 50% of Rivers total passing yards, whereas it was 2/3 of Glennon’s.
Then, combine that with any of the other passing statistics like AY/A or ANY/A and Glennon is near the bottom of the entire league. For every throw Glennon made, the total distance gained was less than most every NFL QB. Those two specific stats include modifiers for TD passes and INTs and we know Glennon’s ratio was good there, yet his AY/A was still low. ANY/A adds in for sacks and yards lost where Glennon was horrible and I’m sure that didn’t help.
Also, watching the games helps too. We don’t have to look at stats to see that WRs were catching the ball and not gaining yardage afterwards. We could see how long it was taking to get rid of the ball. We could see the accuracy and timing. Problem with that is it’s subjective to the viewer. If you like the guy, you see he got the ball to the WR and the WR got tackled and it’s the WRs fault for not gaining YAC. If you aren’t a fan of the guy, you’ll see a lack of anticipation and inaccurate throws preventing WRs from gaining YAC.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
And I’m sorry for the long posts, but when you have to actually explain what statistics mean, it’s like writing an article rather than stating point of view.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
I don’t know about “yards through the air”, but it is a stat I guess. I’ve always heard that the stat most correlated to success is “yards per attempt”. Where was he on that? QB rating isn’t a bad stat to look at either. Bottom line is, Glennon played it pretty safe last year, not bad for a rookie. Neither he not his stats jump out to day he’s a can’t miss future franchise guy, hence a big ??? Mark.
QB rookie of the year award is not a thing! He was the best rookie qb’s though, against trash!
We’ll trade him if we draft another, if we don’t we won’t. But a trade won’t happen until after we take one, and after the other comparable qb’s are drafted. A team will look at their options later in the draft, and say call Tampa during the draft. We’ll say thank you! Then draft a backup at some other position! That’s the standard operating procedures of the biz, right or wrong.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
I actually said Glennon would take us to the playoffs, but that was more so just to antagonize the freemanites Lol. But hell I dont care if anyone wants to use it against me. I’m going to support Glennon until he proves that he’s not very good and despite what the AMGM (Anit Mike Glennon Mob) believes, you can’t tell anything from 13 games with all the crap surrounding it.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
Haha wow. That 85 yard TD went 40 yards in the air, and that counts as 25% to you? Yikes…
Beyond that, you once again apply no context. When Vincent Jackson is your best threat, you aren’t going to get much YAC. We all know this right? The Bucs lacked speed last year, badly. They also had an offensive scheme everyone derided around here as poor, but again that seems to not apply when analysing Glennon. And like it or not the offensive line play was poor. All in all it’s amazing people have concluded he’s a bad QB with nowhere to go from here.
I also think there’s somewhat of a disconnect between what people think Glennon is. The people who hate him or want him gone or want Johnny or whatever believe that if you like Glennon and want to see more of him, its cause you view him as a stone cold lock franchise QB who should be extended tomorrow. While I’m sure there are some like that, the vast majority simply saw what they saw last year: A rookie thrown into a dumpster fire who someone did collapse and not only that but showed some potential.
The people who saw 13 games and decided enough was enough are essentially assuming he will never improve or get better than what was shown last year. Pretty sure that Drew Brees guy got better over the years. So did that Peyton Manning guy. So do a lot of QBs interestingly enough. No one is saying Glennon is those guys, just that its entirely possible (likely even) that Glennon improves, and just that perhaps it’d be worth seeing what he can do with a better offense (and coaching) around him. Some people are way too impatient in this fan base.
April 27th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
In Tampa it’s everything but the qb. It was like that from 2011-2013 with the freemanites. Then glennon takes over and it’s the same result. It’ll only take 3 years of miserable play from glennon for then to realize it’s the qb and not the oline.
The oline gave glennon 4.25 seconds to deliver the ball after drop back. That was top 12 in the league I believe? But yet he was sacked 40+ times? (This is all off what I read a while ago until I pull up the source). Glennon struggles seeing the field. Too many times you have wrs open with day light and he checked down. There’s a difference between playing safe and playing smart. Glennon was hesitant and missed opportunities as was freeman.
Glennon is your proto typical back up. He can start a game here and there and not turn the ball over much. But if you ask him towin you a game in the 4th qtr you’re not going too.
April 27th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
Thats asinine opinion Chris. Freeman had 4+ years to show his worth. He wasn’t very good and it was clear as day. Glennon hasen’t got a real chance yet to show what he can do.
According to your theory and rookie QB who doesnt perform fantastic his first year we should just ship him out right? Glad you arent a GM.
April 27th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
any rookie QB*
April 27th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
glennon the guy who almost beat the super bowl champs but unfortanetly sullivan started calling terrible plays. to all the glennon haters who are blaming the oline play last year on glennon, dont know anything about football. lovie fired all those guys from last year for a reason first of all. they underperformed badly. and when your second receiver is tiquan underwood you my friend have a big problem. also how do we even know the bucs open the playbook for glennon. knowing schiano he was probably telling glennon to just manage the game. i want glennon on this team next year the guy to me show potential last year for a 3rd round pick so i say lets keep him and draft evans instead of all these overated qbs in the draft
April 27th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
BBFFC – Glennon was dead last of the 37 qualifying QBs on the Y/A statistic with 6.27 yards per attempt. Some people would prefer to use the “advanced” analytic of Adjusted Yards/Attempt or AY/A which add for TDs and detracts for INTs (and considering Glennon’s TD/INT ratio, that should help him). And it does help him as he moves up to 28th on the list of AY/A. Some prefer ANY/A which subtracts sack yards from passing yards, and adds a sack as a pass attempt, still using the modifiers for TD/INT… which doesn’t change Glennon much, still in at 29th.
Now, having statistics between 28th and 37th in the NFL does not mean the QB is the 28th to 37th best QB in the league. There are plenty of QBs sitting behind very good QBs that never throw a pass and never qualify for any statistical category. So, it’s reasonable to say that Glennon is somewhere between the 28th best NFL QB (borderline starter material, since there are 32 teams) and about 50th (since some backups on other teams may be better, but we never see them).
But that is only statistical analysis and doesn’t allow for critical analysis of watching games, reviewing game film after the fact and also doesn’t take into consideration the circumstances of each individual being analyzed. We could look at injury as a factor, but Football Outsiders has an analytic for Adjusted Games Lost to show starter, important backups and key role players missing games, and at least 3 teams last year had worse injury years and made the playoffs (Bucs had 8th highest AGL)
April 27th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
My mistake on the 85 yd TD, it was 38 yards in the air, not the 15 or 20 I thought. Just watched the replay. So, it was 44% of yards in the air and 56% of YAC. Either way, that was a significant boost to the team’s YAC #s and there had to be (and I know there were, I watched the games) plenty of receptions that were 100% air yards to increase the %air yards/attempt to 67% and plenty of checkdowns to decrease the Adjusted Yards/Attempt. I have the breakdown of every pass attempt Glennon threw. We could take a look if you’d like and see how many passes were over 15 yards (one analytic shows this as 1/5 or 20%, ranked 20th of all QBs last year), we can see how many were for negative yardage, 5 yards or less, % 1st downs, etc.
April 27th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
@BAMBAM
Looks like good analysis to me. I figured his YPA was low. Most rookies will be though. It’s too early to tell for him. He showed some signs last year, but I wouldn’t mind upgrading him!
To all the Sciano/Sullivan put the shackles on him crowd…. Hello, any and all coaches would and do, do that to all rookie qb’s. That’s common sense! In fact, the best part of glennon’s game was not throwing INTs! Other than that he was just a guy. Not good, not bad.
April 27th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
Yards per attempt is everything!
Yards through the air is totally worthless!
April 27th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
Couch fan,
Go back and look at the scouting reports and remember any games you saw of mike glennon. When under pressure he ducks his head , taking away his vision to see the field. Negative.
– he checks down too often and lacks consistency in anticipation. Negative.
– he locks on wrs too often. Factors in with the Above statement.
– he doesn’t have very good ball placement. Too many times where he hits his wr late and not in stride. Eliminates all YAC opportunity.
– hesitant. Holds the ball too long. Too afraid to let it rip. Seems to lack trust in his ability? Too afraid of a TO?
– lacks RPMs. Too many ducks from a supposed strong arm qb.
All these showed all of this was noticed from college to the pros. Tell me at one point did you say wow that glennon is a franchise qb?
He had at best, performances of “solid”. Nothing spectacular. Inconsistency. He never displayed that twitch not confidence that down 10, he can bring you back.
Our defense ranked top 7 in forced TOs. Our offense never capitilized. The other 6 teams that were in the top 7 in TO ratios ? Made the playoffs. Glennon didn’t strike fear in anyone. He was a 3rd rd pick bc Schiano had a hard on for him just as much as joe has for Manziel.
Take into the fact glennons skill set doesn’t fit our offense. I’d say were drafting a qb early.
April 27th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
But Yards Per Attempt aren’t everything. Carson Palmer, Kaepernick and McCown were all top 10 last. Brady and Luck were both in the 20’s. I’d suspect no one is suggesting the first 3 are in the same league as the other 2. Statistics are better measured using percentage based analysis because it generally properly weights things. 4 guys in the top 10 YPA have over 540 attempts; 4 guys also have under 355 attempts. So its not quite one you can analyse easily. Completion percentage and TD/Int are better measures. Glennon played at an above average rate for a rookie (lest we forget…) for both categories.
April 27th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
My fellow passionate Bucs fans, you all are awesome! We just want a winning season, whoever’s slinging it. By the way MG8 was hired as stunt double for Napoleon Dynamite 2.
April 27th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Didn’t we just read yesterday, yes, on this site, that lovie licht would welcome having glennon as the backup or possibly number three qb? Seriously? I just wonder how many joes there are and can they all get on the same page…?
April 27th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Criss
Everything you just stated are all typical rookie QB Issues. So in 13 games you’ve seen enough to know for a fact that there is no way he will ever improve? C’mon man. This is a silly argument. You are right about Freeman, and Freeman was lucky enough to prove that he wasn’t very good. I just hope Glennon gets that opportunity here and not somewhere else.
April 27th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
nothing like a nice leisurely sunday stroll through a jbf qb thread. i love the smell of namecalls in the morning.
April 27th, 2014 at 6:52 pm
One thing nobody ever mentions itis s strength of schedule.
We played the following defenses last year:
Seahawks
49ers
Cardinals
Rams
Panthers twice
Saints twice
Those are some of the top Defences in the league.
We had a vanilla offence that made no second half adjustments do to rigid coaching.
Sure glennon lacks mobility but he is smart can make all the throws and hit tight windows.
He had a much better arm than he gets credit for here.
Fact outs he was also a rookie and did not get all the first team reps until week 4.
He deserves a chance. Mccown is no long term solution but is more someone who can lead the team if we are contending.
Truthfully Glennon deserves a shot. I don’t think the qbs in this draft are really much better.
It is cheap to keep him right now and he had starting experience as insurance if Mccown either plays like the career backup he had been or gets hurt behind our sketchy offensive line.
April 27th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
Glennon will get a chance.
To turn in his play book before his flight out of town.
If we’re fortunate enough for someone to give up a draft choice for him, which is highly doubtful.
April 27th, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Luckily, Man-child wants to play for the Texans or Jags. So doubt he will be there at 7.
April 27th, 2014 at 8:10 pm
lol Couch Fan…I remember you saying it too. I know damn well how you said it and why as well. I knew at the time you weren’t serious. Then along comes this troll out of nowhere making stuff up and suddenly he’s silenced.
April 27th, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Criss
Everything you just stated are all typical rookie QB Issues. So in 13 games you’ve seen enough to know for a fact that there is no way he will ever improve? C’mon man. This is a silly argument. You are right about Freeman, and Freeman was lucky enough to prove that he wasn’t very good. I just hope Glennon gets that opportunity here and not somewhere else.
That was how he was in college dude, what aren’t you getting? You’re acting like glennon was this starting caliber prospect. He didn’t improve on those skills from NC STate to the nfl. He didn’t show signs of elevating the play of others. He declined instead of improved.
Yes he was a rookie but you either see it or you don’t. I didn’t see any flash or signs this guy can stretch a defense nor scare one.
April 27th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
Unrelated but I saw Grudens QB Camp with Johnny on ABC on Sat. I thought Gruden was being kind, he could have really ripped him the whole show. He needs to sit for a year to see a vet going through progressions, hitting check downs, when to run etc. I believe if Johnny is thrown in as a rookie, he will be eaten alive. He can’t take all those gambles he did in college.
April 28th, 2014 at 2:32 am
JOE If you keep telling yourself something long enough you will one day believe it yourself. Just like Nixon did when he said he was not a crook.
Joe has deleted the remainder of your hate-filled comment. Sir, you don’t get to misrepresent Joe in the comments here and fabricate. Joe doesn’t “run” coaches and players out of town. Joe didn’t assess Mike Glennon and choose to replace him with journeyman Josh McCown. Don’t hang that on Joe. Joe doesn’t lie. You may disagree with Joe’s opinions, but that doesn’t mean Joe’s takes are agenda-driven hate rants. Don’t be ridiculous. –Joe
April 28th, 2014 at 3:38 am
PrBucfan stated that” if they start Glennon, he will win every remaining game.”
I confronted him about- he was man enough to admit, at least
So it was Couch, not you, ignorantly proclaiming Beaker would get us in the playoffs, not you.
I don’t care which one of you beaker knobberslobbering it was. You are all rediculous with your pining for this talentless statue. The kid has no game, and you beaker mobbers have no clue.
He was another failure of Dom and Schiano. Kid needs to get back to the Muppet show, where he belongs.
If he plays again, it’ll be in the Canadian league. Hope you boys continue your Bromance- and follow him to some damn chunk of Frozen tundra.
Then, you can blame your inability to discern QB talent on your frozen brains!
April 28th, 2014 at 9:12 am
Glennon with some decent staring experience here, not winning but solid game experience would be the perfect fit for Brady’s back up. While I’m sure he could learn from Brady indirectly he already has a solid head on his shoulders and is used to the kind of prima-donna attitude like he got from Freeman. I hope he doesn’t go and I hope he gets a real shot to compete here but if not New England would be a good fit and he will benefit from Belicheat and his offensive set of coaches.
April 28th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
Whether you like him or don’t, it makes no sense whatsoever to trade Glennon. McCown has been a career back-up and will now start. Do you want Kafka as your back-up? I’ll answer for you, heck no.
Glennon has holes in his game. No one here can dispute that. He played 13 games as a ROOKIE. Given the circumstances, one could argue that he played like a rookie. See a trend?!
You have bona-fide trial by fire NFL experience with this guy and some of you want to trade him because you don’t like him( and don’t throw stats at me. You can make #’s say whatever you want.). Consider this; IF the Bucs draft a QB, are you willing to suffer the same as last year? IF it’s JF, how long before he’s injured? Who will back him up? Who will back up the back-up?
Now, does trading Glennon with 13 starts make sense?!
JUST STOP WITH THE HATE! JEEZ!
April 28th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
i’m getting into this conversation but the implication here is that ken whisenhunt, bill belichick, bruce arians, and marc trestman who have coached at least a half dozen superbowl or all-pro QBs among them, are all interested in adding mike glennon to their team. and yet we can’t wait to be rid of him?
April 28th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
*meant to say “i’m getting into this conversation a bit late, but…”
April 28th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
@pick6- Makes no sense, does it? It’s the vitriol toward a guy who came in as a rookie on a bad offense that has me perplexed. I don’t know what these people expected!