Chucky: Johnny Football > Bo Jackson
April 28th, 2014
“Jiminy Christmas! Don’t tell me Johnny doesn’t have it all. Just be freakin’ patient and teach the kid.”
Renowned yet overrated quarterbacks guru Jon Gruden is weighing in a lot deeper these days on the 2014 quarterbacks draft class.
To nobody’s surprise, Chucky loves lots of these guys (more on that later), and that includes often misunderstood Johnny Football.
Speaking on SiriusXM NFL Radio last week, Chucky talked about how he and others had false impressions of Johnny Football’s desire and ability to learn and evolve as a quarterback.
Former Bucs scout, Jets linebackers coach and Jets personnel executive Pat Kirwan floated a common Johnny Football premise by Chucky during Movin’ The Chains last week. And Chucky shot it down.
Pat Kirwan: I’ll make a statement, Jon. Shoot a hole in it. You cannot take Johnny Manziel, unless you’re willing to play Johnny Manziel in the Johnny Manziel offense.
Jon Gruden: You know, what, Pat, I think there’s a lot of people, me included, felt like that when I initially started this process. I think we gotta remember, Manziel just has two years of eligibility left. He’s just a kid. You gotta see down the road a little bit with Johnny Football. You gotta train him. Here’s the thing that impresses me: He can learn and he wants to learn. He has rare vision, rare elusiveness, and rare quickness. And this kid can throw the football — 1,400 yards rushing in the SEC, Pat, when you were scouting, Bo Jackson didn’t even do that. This kid is going to be a miserable, miserable man to deal with. I believe that, if he gets with the right coach, a creative coach that brings him along.
Yes, it is wise to remember Johnny Football only has two years of college football under his belt and would play nearly all of this NFL season at 21 years old.
An optimist would say Johnny Football as loads of room to develop and reach his enormously high ceiling. A Johnny Football hater would claim he’s too immature to handle the NFL right now, in addition to his allegedly questionable pocket skills.
Joe’s confident Jeff Tedford is every bit as jacked up about Johnny as Chucky. What QB guru/coach wouldn’t be?
April 28th, 2014 at 9:12 am
Herein lies the key; coaching. If he’s starting game #1 I think you’re setting up for disappointment. The recent recipe of throwing rookies to the wolves does little for their development and rarely do you see them succeed.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:16 am
I am not a Manziel hater, but Gruden will gloat over many a player. Move up if necessary and get him Bucs, somebody will want him if he does’nt work out here. All of the hype does make the guy interesting.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:16 am
What a mess. Do you pick a possible franchise QB, a tremendous WR or do you just trade back to get more picks. Personally, I hope they get Evans and build from there.
It will be very interesting to see which way L & L go. I really wouldn’t be upset with any of the 3 scenarios.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:18 am
If the Bucs manage to draft him, I don’t believe for a second they plan to start him this year…unless its after we cinch a playoff spot and they want to rest McCown.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:18 am
I just think he’d be a “good backup”. That’s all. For some reason JOE wants to continue to dabble in mediocrity and draft 2nd and 3rd round talent in the 1st round. That’s idiocy run a muck and JOE’s trying his best to take us down another notch with his infatuation of “Anything But Glennon” mantra.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:20 am
I’m certain they won’t pick a WR in the first round. A trade down might be good IF Licht can manage to get a 3rd rounder out of it.
Trading up? I’m against it, mainly because we would get fleeced with Licht working the deal.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:21 am
Sammy @ 7….perhaps Evans if Sammy isn’t there….or trade back and pick up Ebron or Mosley & extra picks….
April 28th, 2014 at 9:23 am
Johnny Football Tampa
please get him
April 28th, 2014 at 9:36 am
Chucky likes him some Johnny football almost as much as Joe does.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:38 am
I keep hearing Lovie say…you build a team from the front to the back. I think the pick will be O-Line or D-Line. I doubt they are satisfied with either group as it is right now.
April 28th, 2014 at 9:40 am
Thankfully we only have 11 more days of Joe pilliaging us with JF stories
April 28th, 2014 at 9:40 am
Draft J. Football and let the fun begin…next year.
I’m baffled as to why a certain poster here continues to run down Licht. The new GM had to overhaul a roster which had all the appeal of a Hooter’s dumpster on a Monday morning. He’s yet to draft anybody and his team not taken one meaningful snap yet.
Our HC and GM deserve our support.
April 28th, 2014 at 10:03 am
@Bruce
What talent has Joe said he wants in the 1st round that should be drafted in the 2nd and 3rd?
Dude you are seriously just butt hurt because Glennon isn’t starting and you are the naughty list when it comes to posting on here…
I wonder if all the MGM will become fans of whatever team he eventually gets traded to… Give it a rest guys it isn’t like Joe runs the Bucs and dictates who starts and remains on the team(although there are some on here that aren’t all the way there in the head that do think that)
Does the kid deserve the chance to start this year if remains on the Bucs.. Hell ya he does… Will he?? HELL NO he won’t 😉
April 28th, 2014 at 10:04 am
Manziel would bring excitement on and off the field. With a strong HC to keep him in line and a creative OC to showcase his talents this could be an amazing pick for us. I see way more upside to drafting Manziel at 7.
April 28th, 2014 at 10:04 am
Trading up? I’m against it, mainly because we would get fleeced with Licht working the deal.
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Ahh yes, the fleecing. Brings back memories. Remember when the “rock star” fleeced the Jets for Revis? Then he turned right around and fleeced the Bears for Carimi. Licht could never have pulled those off.
April 28th, 2014 at 10:23 am
He has rare vision? How come he’s alway tucking and running with minimal pressure and open reads?
April 28th, 2014 at 10:44 am
Im a little impressed with JF. But it seems most of the JF fanboys are major anti Glennon when I have yet to see their facts and numbers back up their criticism of Glennon. Oh but Tim Wright was an awesome TE for his rookie season last year….well who was throwing to him? DUH!
Thats why I dont trust you anti Glennon’s opinions too much on the hype of JF. And if I remember correctly, the leader of the anti Glennon JF fanboy club also wanted us to sign Freeman to an extension right before his meltdown.
If we do draft JF, I’ll support him 110%, but we have other needs and theres other BPA that will be there in my opinion…..just saying.
April 28th, 2014 at 10:46 am
Cherry picking trades doesn’t prove a point…
He also made trades that brought in Barron, Doug , LVD, and Kellen… Also traded away Gaines and Aqib…
I guess we should all be perfect though and never mess up? Or just because they get paid millions of dollars they shouldn’t be allowed to make a mistake?
Hate Hate Hate Hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbBQsbdR6o
April 28th, 2014 at 10:49 am
Oh and we traded Blount. We got Mike James and Jeff Demps out of it… Just so terrible at making trades though right??
April 28th, 2014 at 11:13 am
To answer your question Barker-because Bonzai is a moron and the ONLY person that thinks licth is a bad GM. Hasn’t made a draft pick yet lmao. Bonzai thinks he cld do better because in Madden he traded 3 1st rounders for Andrew Luck and won a Super Bowl with Tampa. In madden. Bonzai is the dumbest person on here hands down. Which is seriously saying something
April 28th, 2014 at 11:31 am
My take on JF is the same as buying a boat.
The best two days of your life…….
The day you get it
and
The day you get rid of it.
April 28th, 2014 at 11:48 am
@Phillip- Well said man. The constant bashing is too much. You can pick and choose any stat you want to prove or disprove anything. It makes no difference.
While it’s fun and exciting now, Lovie and Licht will miss on someone or something down the road. That’s fact. So lets keep that in mind before piling on and on and on and on……
New regime. Different players. New attitude.
The past is the past.
Go Bucs!!
April 28th, 2014 at 11:49 am
Joe will you please continue to educate these fools that it isn’t easy to win the heirs man and run for more yards in the SEC AS A QB than Bo did as a freak athlete RB. Just shrug off an 18 yr old taking over the SEC and discount the opinion of Jon Gruden. Then these same fools say “screw MANZIEL keep GLENNON) it’s truly mind bending that in a class where EJ and Geno were the first two qbs taken Glennon lasted til the 3rd round. There is a reason for thaty god. Glennon had Vjack open more times than I could count downfield and missed him or didn’t even throw
April 28th, 2014 at 11:51 am
Starting to warm up to the idea of the Bucs drafting Manziel
When you look at their off season and their Free Agent pick ups,
they have put themselves into the Best Player Available mode instead of using the Draft to address need.
Sure their are “needs” that remain, but not Glaring Holes.
If Manziel were there at 7, he would be the BPA.
then he could then sit behind McCown for a year, “learning”
or as a better backup plan than Glennon
April 28th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Its really hard for me to give Chucky any “analysis” respect when he gushes over everyone. Sort of the anti-Shaun King who hates everyone.
April 28th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
Hey SeanyMac, Im off for day 1 of the draft and will be at the same watering hole as usual for the draft party….get your butt out there and join me if you can…. really excited for this one!
April 28th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
i dont believe gruden truly yeah we won a superbowl that he basically robbed from father dungy….and this is also a guy a couple years ago who said that blaine gabbert was going to be the truth in the nfl because he has a arm and he’s smart lol…how many playoff berths has the jaguars had since he made that comment….EXACTLY!
April 28th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
Screw it, I’ll start it.. I should trademark it too.. WR/O Line in draft, then tank..
“Be Heinous For Jameis”
April 28th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
If you have the PERFECT coach with a brilliant mind and a fantastic system laid out specifically for 1 guy, then suuuuure!
I think that fits every single prospect or player the NFL has seen.
April 28th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
I really think the Jags are gonna snag JF before we could get him.
April 28th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
@tampamac….and in the first year of a new coach, GM and cast…..all would be understood because hey, its the 1st year….lol. Thats why Im all about BPA, hopefully its Robinson or Matthews, Watkins or Evans…or go full out D and grab Mack or Donald, and we may even be able to trade back a few spots and still nab Donald. And so what if it doesnt come together at first and we only win 3 or 4…those things take a little time. THEN the ultimate payoff occurs……. be in position for WINSTON!! Oh Yea!!
April 28th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
@bucsalltheway- You truly don’t believe the sentiment that Gruden won with Dungy’s team stuff, do you? I hope not. I’m not trying to pump up Gruden but you have to give the guy some credit. A lot of people say a lot of things that are just plain silly. He’s paid to give his OPINION. Take it or leave it.
Frankly, I think Manziel CAN be a good QB with the right coaching. He’s not even old enough to drink yet, there’s time for him to be “coached up”.
April 28th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
MadMax,
Exactly! No reason to gamble on any of these QB’s this high because they all have question marks. If trading back, they can even take picks in the 2015 draft to be in position to move up next year if need be.
April 28th, 2014 at 2:25 pm
With the 7th pick in the draft…the Buccaneers take Anthony Barr 😉
April 28th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
if these QB’s were all Andrew Lucks the Bucs wouldn’t have a chance without giving up the goods and compromising their future. If L&L like a QB and he’s there, grab him. I like that there are a bunch of good (maybe great) QB’s with some red flags. Picking early in the rounds, the bucs should be able to get some real value if they evaluate the talent correctly.
April 30th, 2014 at 9:28 am
Phillip Says:
“I wonder if all the MGM will become fans of whatever team he eventually gets traded to… Give it a rest guys it isn’t like Joe runs the Bucs and dictates who starts and remains on the team(although there are some on here that aren’t all the way there in the head that do think that”
“Pfft. If he’s traded, I’ll still keep an eye on his career. But we are all Bucs fans on here and will remain so.
“although there are some on here that aren’t all the way there in the head that do think that'”
We’re all entitled to our opinions. Even headcases like us.