Breaking Down The Mike Williams Trade
April 6th, 2014Dan Graziano and Antonietta Collins — who Joe just now discovered and needs to see more of (ahem) — discuss the Mike Williams trade to Buffalo in this BSPN video.
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Dan Graziano and Antonietta Collins — who Joe just now discovered and needs to see more of (ahem) — discuss the Mike Williams trade to Buffalo in this BSPN video.
April 6th, 2014 at 10:28 am
She is seriously hot.
I did not know MW’s salary is so low for Buffalo. Now I really don’t get this trade. I know the trade value this year is not great – I assume that is mostly bc of the deep draft. But we really put ourselves in a hole on this one IMO
April 6th, 2014 at 10:35 am
Why does he call it BSPN?
April 6th, 2014 at 11:04 am
“Why does he call it BSPN?”
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it goes back to the beginning days of jbf.com. one of the joes got hired but didn’t want to leave the other joe with a fledgling blog. so the one joe got the other a job as maintenance man at espn. so they find an tiny apartment and were ready to move in together in Bristol to save money. the one joe did his first gig while the other toiled in the background. the espn gig ended up being a spoof that aired during sweeps week and made joe out to be a silly, overzealous fan. it aired and everyone laughed at joe. so both joes left Bristol, came back to tampa, vowing to make jbf.com relevant. the rest is history.
bspn stands for bullspit production network.
April 6th, 2014 at 11:05 am
or not…
April 6th, 2014 at 11:06 am
ps is this how rumors start?
April 6th, 2014 at 11:07 am
Addition by Subtraction
April 6th, 2014 at 11:14 am
Joe Joe Joe, were is morning cup of Joe.by the way you should put an age limit on here to many young immature holes.
April 6th, 2014 at 11:19 am
Harry, Rick Stroud reported #19 would have been cut before the OTA on 4/7. Bucs were lucky to find a sucker to give us any pick. We hit the lotto with a sixth round pick. If you haven’t noticed lovelite is doing spring cleaning.
April 6th, 2014 at 11:19 am
hey bruce, age has nothing to do with maturity…doh. and sports is definitely not a mature activity.
also, morning cup of joe is m-f…today is sunday.
April 6th, 2014 at 11:21 am
and this is ironical…
“to (sic) many young immature holes.”
April 6th, 2014 at 11:46 am
@Glenn Could be wrong but i assume it is something along the lines of Bull S(p)it sports network
April 6th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Does anyone else get the feeling that the slot position is ATM Wright ‘s to lose?
Even though his speed is not ideal, his routes and hands — and the team’s need — may justify the result. Also, Lovie & ago. may look at him more as a good football player than as an underweight tight end.
Any thoughts?
April 6th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
A lot of talk about Bucs trading up or down in first rd. I think it is more likely we trade down in rd 2 to grab extra pick in 3rd rd or 4th rd. Starting to think Mike Evans is a lock at #7 for us.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
I agree with Tackleblokwin, I think the Bucs will stay at 7, I also think they are hoping there will be a run on the questionable QB’s that will push the good players to them.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
The guy in the video knows nothing and tried to do a good job covering it up.
Trading Williams was a mistake, but it’s done. Everyone in favor of the trade has the ulterior motive of getting Watkins or Evans. Neither will happen.
We might end up with Kelven though.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
ESPN (originally an abbreviation for Entertainment and Sports Programming Network) is a U.S.-based global cable and satellite television channel.
I think Joes substitute Bullspit for Entertainment. lol
April 6th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
then questionable qb’s are on ou roster. we need a playmaker…manziel or watkins.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:29 pm
With the MW trade, I think it takes at least some of the wind out of the sails for the “draft a QB” faction (me being one of those). MGMers should be happy by this. We already had a lot of holes on O to fill in the draft. Now we absolutely have to take a WR by rd 2 (I agree, not necessarily in rd 1 where I now lean towards a boring LT).
Well at least we will likely have a strong D.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
Hope your right Lurker, but with so many other needs it doesn’t look good to me.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:34 pm
@Bonzai
Totally agree with you. “Trading” (dumping) MW was flat out unnecessary. What a freaking hole that created.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
“Well at least we will likely have a strong D.”
Harry that’s GREAT, because the way it looks right now, the D will be on the field a lot.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
I see the MSM (Miss Schiano Mob) is out in force today!
April 6th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
@ Harry-
Williams’ salary is relatively low THIS season at $1.8 mil but significantly balloons over the next 4 years to $6.8 mil, $7.2 mil, $7.5 mil and $8.75 mil. Bucs aren’t responsible for any of that by trading him. That was the main benefit of the trade. The draft pick was. Jus shiny by this offseason and the cap savings on Revis, they’ll put that money to good use (some of it likely to go towards re-singing GMC and extending Levonte David).
April 6th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
Middle part of that got muddled somehow.. Should have read the draft pick was icing. Judging by this offseason…
April 6th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
Who knows? Maybe Tedford will be the next coming of a Bill Walsh clone. That would be a nice surprise.
April 6th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I agree with Tackleblockwin and what Realist said. Sounds realistic to me. Other than trading down.
April 6th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
i concur with ya Buc1987, also its like Derrick Brooks said about the QB position,” The long term answer it may be here, it may be in the draft.”
wise words my friends.
April 6th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Odds the 6th round pick turns out to be more productive than Mike Williams (season averages, excluding injury year: 64 receptions, 910 yards, 7.7 TDs): somewhere between 1 and 5%.
So in terms of direct value, this trade is likely to be a massive failure. People want to act like Williams was a bum and is easily replaceable, well, not really. Those are top 25 receiver numbers for every year Williams has played. If the Bucs spend a 2nd rounder on a WR odds are they won’t get that production, and odds are probably 50/50 a 2nd round pick will ever put up those averages. Lovie made this decision based solely on off the field considerations, and thats fine, except if the team goes 6-10 next year because the offense was bad. Then Lovie is deservedly going to take a ton of heat.
April 6th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
I wonder why people don’t want to live in Bristol, Ct?
I lived there for18 years. It’s a Polish Paradise.
I went to high school with a lot of BSPN employees.
April 6th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Another good Buccaneer that we just gave away for nothing………and you guys wonder why we don’t win.
April 6th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
@Patrick
They did not win with Mike ( house-party ) Williams. From what I have heard Lovie coming in was not the big Mike Fan . I know a lot of you, just look at the stats and the trade does not make since. But a new coach cannot walk thru the door during training camp and have Williams there after you told him repeatedly over and over not to do things. They were going to out right cut him before OTA’s. There were even rumors that Schiano wanted to trade Mike before he was canned. There is a lot more stuff and issues that happened then getting stabbed and having a stripper pole in the house.
April 6th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
People seem to forget Williams is coming off a bad hamstring injury. He might not be the same ever again . And he was already slow .
April 6th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
sorry realist. didn’t know you were privy to insider information. however, the rest of us aren’t and are going by the facts as they are presented now. and it seems to be another boneheaded trade.
April 6th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
@Tampamac Says:
“…Williams’ salary is relatively low THIS season at $1.8 mil… That was the main benefit of the trade. …they’ll put that money to good use…”
MW was a solid #2 WR, one of the better ones in the NFL when he was on the field. Please tell me how on earth L&L will come anywhere near replacing his production for $1.8M??? Just bc he liked to sleep in his front yard and his brother mistook MW’s leg for a lamb chop, you don’t dump him for a 6th rd pick.
April 6th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
@Buc1987 Says:
“…Harry that’s GREAT, because the way it looks right now, the D will be on the field a lot…”
I totally agree. LIke “Back to the Future” with Dungy ball. But with an up proven O-line, another recycled QB, an OC and QB coach with no NFL experience at any level and going from an “Ok” 2 receiver set to something close to what the freaking Panthers now have (they lost ALL of their starting WRs).
My desire to draft a franchise QB seems out of wack now with all the glaring needs we have.
April 6th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
Harry,
You skimmed over the rest of the contract numbers. After THIS season, had he stayed he’d be making basically number 1 receiver money. Receivers are always a crapshoot. I know he’s more an exception than a rule, but who’d have thunk Marques Colston would have the career he’s had as a 7th round pick. My point is none of us know the future. I liked Williams as a receiver but coming off an injury and with off field concerns to boot, getting ANY draft pick and being able to dump his upcoming high cap numbers is a plus. Nobody was gonna give the Bucs a high pick for him.
April 6th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
@Tampamac Says:
“…getting ANY draft pick and being able to dump his upcoming high cap numbers is a plus. Nobody was gonna give the Bucs a high pick for him…”
I understand why we would not get much in return for MW (big new contract pus lots of WRs in the draft). My point is by getting rid of him we have created a huge hole that we now must use draft picks to fill the void when we don’t have an abundance of picks. I will add that I don’t know what else might have went on behind the scenes with MW, but, IMO, his ‘crimes’ did not warrant dumping him and we hurt ourselves in the process.
April 6th, 2014 at 6:28 pm
Manzielski, are you”BOBO the Clown” on the Howard Stern show?
April 6th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
Sooooooooo…. glad I watched this video and learned everything about what everyone already knew……..Great!!!
April 6th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
DeSean is way better than MW and Eagles got nada…At least, we have a depth player out of the whole debacle…
April 6th, 2014 at 11:07 pm
Weekdays.
April 6th, 2014 at 11:09 pm
Got three words right. Programming is the one you missed on, but good guess.
April 7th, 2014 at 11:31 am
TampaMac
Williams salary would have balooned next year, but the dead money if cut would be reduced.