Bucs Prepping For Immediate McCown Move
March 7th, 2014
Regular JoeBucsFan.com readers know Joe rarely goes to the “source” card on these pages. Joe’s not big on using unnamed sources, and while Joe shares reports of other media types doing just that, Joe only goes there with his own sources on rare occasion.
Today is one of those days.
Joe has been told now by multiple sources close to the Bucs that the team will move swiftly on soon-to-be free agent quarterback Josh McCown, who resurrected his career with the Bears last year after going 3-2 in five starts with 13 touchdowns versus only one interception.
The Bucs can pounce on McCown’s agent as early as Saturday at noon and sign McCown no earlier than Tuesday at 4 p.m., when the free agency dinner bell rings.
Here’s the NFL’s explanation of what has been nicknamed the “tampering period” of unrestricted free agency.
Q. What is permitted during the three-day negotiating period prior to the start of free agency?
A. Beginning at 12:00 noon ET on Saturday, March 8 and ending at 3:59:59 p.m. ET on Tuesday, March 11, clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2013 player contracts at 4:00 p.m. ET on March 11. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m. ET on March 11.
During this negotiation period, a prospective unrestricted free agent cannot visit a club (other than the player’s current club) at its permanent facility or at any other location, and no direct contact is permitted between the player and any employee or representative of a club (other than the player’s current club). If a player is self-represented, clubs are prohibited from discussions with the player during the negotiating period.
Clubs (other than the player’s current club) may not discuss or make any travel arrangements with prospective unrestricted free agent players, their certified agents, or anyone else associated with the player until the expiration of those players’ 2013 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m. ET on March 11.
The three-day negotiating period applies only to potential unrestricted free agents; it does not apply to players who are potential Exclusive Rights Players or Restricted Free Agents, or to players who have been designated as Franchise Players or Transition Players.
Of course, the Bucs’ pursuit of McCown wouldn’t/shouldn’t surprise anyone. Lovie Smith coached and signed McCown in Chicago. McCown likely is better than Mike Glennon, and McCown represents the competition, experience and mentoring ability the Bucs are seeking at the position.
Lovie has said publicly that he wants to bring four quarterbacks to training camp. Right now, the Bucs only have two in Glennon and Mike Kafka.
Could McCown win the starting job, if he’s a Buccaneer? Sure. But Joe would be bummed to see that happen. Joe’s hoping that gig goes to a 2014 first-round draft pick.
What do the Bears thing of McCown? For that answer, Joe recommends this telling video from CSNChicago.com.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:30 am
Repost.
J 2.0 Says:
March 7th, 2014 at 11:15 am
There is a Mike Glennon Mob here and Tampa.
The problem is its interpretation. The actual MGM has their torches and pitchforks in hand and are foaming at the mouth to run him out of town.
The group of people that are commonly referred to as the “Mike Glennon Mob” do not believe that Mike Glennon should be anointed the franchise QB here in Tampa. They simply believe that he deserves a shot to compete for the starting QB position for the 2014 in lieu of being anointed the backup without said QB competition.
We believe that using our first round pick this year on Bridgewater, Bortles, or even Joe’s tiny little man crush Johnny Football (BTW you’re about to be in the NFL and you are an adult, how about we go by John or Jonathan) would be an incredible waste of a first round pick. Not one of those 3 guys are worth a top pick and none have the guarantee that Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, or Andrew Luck had coming with them. I remember a few years ago the Bucs took a stab in the first round for a franchise QB in a draft where there weren’t any sure fire picks. That year produced Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and Josh Freeman in the first round. Two out of three don’t even start anymore and Stafford is still throwing interceptions to the Bucs as wee speak.
Point is, I could be classified as an MGMer by your standards, and guess what? If the Bucs grabbed Garropolo in the 2nd round and he beat Glennon out to be the starter for 2014, I WOULD BE THRILLED!!!!
Also there are better options for QB in the 2015 draft!!!
March 7th, 2014 at 11:30 am
I can live with McCown as a starter for a season. I hope they draft a QB in the second round.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:32 am
This is great news. Now Glennon has his back up. We can concentrate on the more important acquisitions.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:37 am
Sounds like someone’s wet dreams might come true.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Now the Bucs will have 2 decent backup qb’s.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:42 am
Yes Eric. Kafka and McCown will be 2 good backup QBs! Finally your seeing the licht.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:44 am
McCown being your best option at QB can’t be all that good.
But as a back up to Johnny Football I say excellent choice.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:51 am
Can’t use a 1st round pick on a back up. Thats insane. I thought you were smarter than that. I take it back, your not seeing the licht.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:52 am
If that happens, no way they draft a QB at #7.
I want Watkins, but he looks too good to too many teams so he may not be there (also, if the Bucs go after Lance Moore, slot position w/ be filled). 2nd choice Mack, but he is also too high on too many teams’ radar.
May be Robinson or Matthews or…. trade down a handful of spots to pick up a 3rd round pick.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:52 am
Will be an interesting camp with great competition. I feel the 4th QB they are going to pick up in the draft. Although I’m not entirely sold on Glennon, I feel he can get better with good coaching and time. But the dark side of me is thinking he is Chris Simms 2.0.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:53 am
So now we’ll have 2 backup quality quarterbacks. Sigh.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:56 am
Cant believe there are people out there who think Glennon is the answer. Thankfully you people do not run this team!
March 7th, 2014 at 11:59 am
bad news for the bucs if it is this guy, he all of a sudden had 5 good games in his whole career and now everybody is making it seem like this guy is a starting qb, i rather start glennon then mcown thats for sure.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
It’s very telling bucs will sign a vet and then draft one making mr glennon face an uphill battle for the job. I’m hoping all this buzz of Teddy bridgewater dropping to us is true. Best qb in the draft.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Yea, now Glennon will have a back up/mentor coming to Tampa.
I just hope we don’t have to pay too much for him.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
I just read on some website that the Bucs were looking for a back-up QB in FA. Said website went on to quote Ian Rapport as the source for this info.
@RapSheet: Talked backup QBs on Total Access: Bucs are in the market for a backup. They’ll be looking at #Bears QB Josh McCown & #Lions QB Shaun Hill
One of my favorite websites BTW and I put a great deal of faith in what they have to say. I believe them that the Bucs are looking for a back-up and not a starter. This is consistent with what is being reported by most outlets!
March 7th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Bidgewater will not drop to us though I would be elated if he did. Manziel will however drop to us. And then there will be a whole lot of weeping when we pass on him. It will be glorious!
March 7th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
@couch
The Joe tears will be delicious.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:07 pm
You dont heavily go after your backup qb when the dinner bell rings. The timing of the possible signing will be very telling. You think mccown will sign here if hes not the starter. I dont think he would. He would keep his options open for a team that will tell him that he’s their guy.
So if they sign him right outa the gate, you better believe hes your starter bucs fans.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
I don’t get it…the guy is at the end of his career and had one good season in mop up duty but he’s the answer! Just because lovie is familiar with him doesn’t make him a good quarterback. I think Glennon is garbage but if rather him Glennon than that guy, his time is over unless he’s signing for a grab bag of Doritos and unlimited vip access to Busch gardens
March 7th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
Shaun Hill is far from being a camp arm. Very Smart, savvy veteran-Would make a great addition. Especially since there’s a potential bidding war for Josh McCown.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
The Bucs need to trade that first round pick if there is a highly coveted player on the board at 7 (should be) and stock up as many 2’nd day picks as possible.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
He will easily beat out Glennon. The man threw for over 300 times several times as a starter last year, a feat Glennon never accomplished. Then there is that 6.2 yards per completion Glennon had, a thoroughly horrific stat.
And 13/1 td/int ratio was awfully good.
I suppose one way of looking at it is its a definite improvement over what we have now, but hope we get the franchise guy in May.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Meh… a career QB rating of 77.5 doesn’t exactly excite me. When 3 of his starts this year were against awful defenses of Dallas, Minnesota and Green Bay, his QB rating this year means very little.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
@ODB
Yes, and I will be sitting back enjoying every bit of it.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Ugh stop the pain. Cant wait for some action packed low scoring games next year.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
I can see the logic in this move. Really. Not a big fan of it but at least the guy is proven and capable of managing an offense.
We’d get a better measurement of where Glennon is at too.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
Safe and smart decision if true. There’s very little risk. Gotta fill the cupboards fellas and you have to start somewhere.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
@Joe
This is one time I hope your source has nothing to do with the bucs or is Adam shefter because I really need to be wrong, I don’t think Glennon is the guy but I don’t think he was that good awful to desperately go after mcown, we already had a mcown once before we waste time on another. He may be familiar with lovie but lovie doesn’t ruin the offense show that shouldn’t be a factor…linking tillman and Jared Allen does because they play defense
March 7th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
BF China,
Action packed and low scoring games was the Bucs template for years when we were contenders. Wins are wins.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Shaun Hill’s another one that would be a safe choice. Wouldn’t be surprised if we land either one.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
J 2.0,
Bridgewater is a better pro prospect than Matt Ryan was. Better arm, way better mobility, no horrible college performances (see BC vs. VTech in ACC Championship), better upside.
As for McCown. good arm, good mobility, has a ton of experience but not much wear and tear. Not saying he’s Rich Gannon, but McCown’s biggest drawback was his accuracy and consistency, perhaps at this point he has it figured out. There’s a better chance of that happening than of Glennon suddenly sprouting a decent arm or the ability to move his feet.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
I’ve been asking for this. It’s a smart move to bring in a decent, veteran QB like McCown to start for 1-2 seasons, until we can find a permanent replacement, or even groom a permanent replacement. He’s not a HOF QB obviously, but he is the best QB on the open market and he can win us some games. I also think this means we wont be drafting a QB in the first round. Maybe in the second or later rounds.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
I see zero issue with bringing in McCown and one more quality QB. However, McCown is surely a “stop gap” for the Bucs QB position. He cannot be projected as a long term solution at that position in our organization. I hope Glennon wins the job and grows exponentially via the competition in camp. If we do not get a QB with our first pick, and we won’t, we have to assume Glennon is the long term QB if he wins the 2014 starting Qb job. We should not have a early enough pick in next years draft to pick a quality QB.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
‘If’ the Bucs start the season with ANY QB from this draft, then they will be optimistically looking at an 8-8 season. That is, of course, if Lovies’ defense can win 8 games.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Do they think this guy is the next Kurt Warner or something? After all the years we waited for Luke to take the next step, I guess these McCowns are just late bloomers. Meh on the whole thing in my mind.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:28 pm
If McCown comes in (looked damn good stepping in for Cutler, but is a 2 year at best gap-fill), how does that affect the Bucs drafting a QB with their 1st round pick? Does this make us comfortable enough to look away from QB, or do we still gamble that high with an unknown/full of potential QB? So many questions?!!!
March 7th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
J 2.0 Says
“The group of people that are commonly referred to as the “Mike Glennon Mob” do not believe that Mike Glennon should be anointed the franchise QB here in Tampa.”
The only problem with that is it is not true. At the mention of drafting a QB in the first round nearly every MGMer freaks out. Trying to say that the MGM doesn’t mind competition contradicts the truth.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:36 pm
Freaks out? I think your exaggerating unless freaking out means stating our opinion. Much like you state yours repeatedly that you want a 1st round QB. Are you freaking out to?
Or does that only apply for anyone that likes Glennon?
March 7th, 2014 at 12:38 pm
Hmmm, I keep hearing Brock Osweiler’s name. This Revis thing is getting serious
March 7th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
@bonzai – you’re focusing on the wrong part of the story. It’s not that “mgm” folks don’t want first round competition for Glennon. It’s that the QBs in this draft aren’t worth the #7 pick. We want good competition for Glennon but drafting those QBs at the price they’d come at aren’t the value picks Licht is looking for
March 7th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
But Couch, that opinion usually contradicts J 2.0s claim.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
I dont think it affects sh*t regarding a pick witht their first round. None of these guys (except maybe with Glennon once developed) are franchise QBs and you better believe Tedford is gonna be twisting Licht’s arm to snag him. I love the route that the Bucs are taking to pick their QB. Definitely addressing the most important position on the field, its just that the cupboard is so damn bare.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Patrick in VA, there is a rookie cap now. No matter who we draft there it will be the same price. Who would you prefer?
Lovie has, in the past, drafted 2 OTs in the first round, and both failed.
He has NEVER drafted a WR in the first round, but 3 in the second round.
And he drafted 1 DT and 1 DE in the first round.
Never drafted a QB in the first round, but he really may not have a choice.
Joe has said countless times, Glennon led the worse offense in the league.
Even Josh Freeman did better in each of his years, including the rookie year.
Glennon had 9 interceptions in 13 games, but he also had 7 fumbles. He is a turnover machine.
As I’ve said before, so was Brett Favre in the beginning (and in the end), so Glennon might turn things around. But I’m not comfortable with gambling everything on a “might.”
That said, I’m against bringing in Josh McCown. True competition for Glennon is someone that can play at least 4 years. McCown does not have that time left. We’d be lucky if he played beyond another year. And he has had only one “decent” year.
At least bring in someone that has playoff experience and is young enough to play more than a year or two. THAT would be honest competition.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
” It’s that the QBs in this draft aren’t worth the #7 pick. We want good competition for Glennon but drafting those QBs at the price they’d come at aren’t the value picks Licht is looking for”
That’s all I have ever thought. I know people badly want a first round QB, I just don’t see one worth it this year.
The team is still recovering for trading up in the first five years ago for a questionable QB. Fortunately, Licht seems light years ahead of The Gambler (way for apropos than Rockstar).
March 7th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
Based on cap space & team needs Free Agents Targets should be:
Josh McCown QB
Jason Hatcher DT
Jared Allen DE
Andre Roberts WR
Geoff Schwartz G
Roger Saffold T/G
March 7th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
I couldn’t possibly agree more with J 2.0. Very well stated on this year’s QB draft strategy.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
I’ve watched every game Manziel played last season and agree with Joe… He’s a gamer… He’s got the “IT” factor, he’s got instinct, and he’s fun to watch (which brings revenue/ratings)… BUT, is he going to be another fun to watch player for half a season and then sit injured the rest? This is why I don’t make the decisions… If I were GM, no doubt, I’m going after Manziel… would love to see the Bucs with that swag… But I’m a fan and I’m trusting Lovie/Licht to make the best decision… That being said, my gut feeling (which probably is very wrong) is to trust in the players we have (some changes needed) and the new coaching staff to bring the best out of them, plus a couple FA additions, then go get that “IT FACTOR” “LIGHT’EM UP, M’F^kr!”… Go BUCS!!!
March 7th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Hawk Says
“‘If’ the Bucs start the season with ANY QB from this draft, then they will be optimistically looking at an 8-8 season. That is, of course, if Lovies’ defense can win 8 games.”
See? Clearly Hawk doesn’t want true competition.
Oh, he’d be happy probably with McCown, but as I said, Josh would not be real competition.
Is it likely Lovie would start McCown knowing he’ll only play one more year? I doubt it. Glennon would still get the start, just so he can develop further. So really, Josh McCown is NOT competition.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
Bucs sign McCown.
Bucs do not draft a QB in the first two rounds.
McCown and Glennon have an epic battle to decide the starter.
McCown wins by a slim margin.
….
I love MFG but I have to be real here.
McCown has the experience the Lovie covets.
Also,
Bucs completely axe the ridiculous new uni’s and go back
to the old ones.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
North Cackalacky Girl Says
“BUT, is he (Manziel) going to be another fun to watch player for half a season and then sit injured the rest?”
If Manziel is drafted, earns the start and gets injured, then we would see Glennon getting another shot. I have no problem with that.
Just as I have no problem with drafting any of the top 3 QBs and still having Glennon earn the start.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
I would be fine with taking Bridgewater at 7. But in my opinion that only represent maybe a slight upgrade at best. I dont want a QB in the 1st because there will have to be more value than that when we are on the clock. Clowney, Watkins, Mack, the 3 OT’s.. all to me would be more of an upgrade.
If Lovie picks a QB this year and Glennon beats him out. Lovie’s job will be in big trouble, not necessarily this year but he wont have much time to turn this team around and missing on that 1st pick will absolutely set him and this team back big time.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
As long as this regime isn’t enamored with older QBs the way Gruden was. I want to see a long-term starter, like Brees or Rodgers, that guarantees a high-level of play.
March 7th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
Add Aaron Donald to that mix.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
I loved Lovie when he was with us in the beginning… I cringed when he left for the Rams cause our d-backs chalked a lot up to his coaching… Then I was proud that he took the Bears lead job and took them to a Super Bowl… I’m psyched for the defense I know we’re going to have again because he’s so solid… But I’m nervous that Lovie is going to repeat the same vanilla offense he had in Chicago… I’m hoping Ledford is what everyone says he is, and I’m hoping Lovie trusts him enough to let him run the “O”… And trust him enough to have a say in this draft.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
If Tedford can develop (big if there) an offense just like the one Trestaman used in Chicago last year, Mccown could be effective. He pretty much sucked with the other OC’s that Lovie Smith used.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
We still need Johnny Football. And now that he has $20 million from Nike we wouldn’t even have to pay him that much. Just kidding.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
If G.Smith, EJ.Manual, T.Pryor was the NFL rookie of the year then this wouldn’t even be an issue, locally or nationally. Just saying.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
If Manziel actually falls to the second round then we would be crazy not to touch him.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
My wish list for Free Agency
Jarred Allen – for obvious reasons
Devin Hester – not only is a great returner, but he is also tied with Deon Sanders for the most returns for TDs. Wherever he goes, he is almost certain to break that record. That would be good exposure for the Bucs, because it will make highlights for a good long time. I like Eric Page (and hope he is resigned) but Hester is more proven.
Matt Schaub or Mark Sanchez
If either of these guys were signed, I would be willing to have us NOT draft a QB in the first round. Schaub has probably 3-4 years in the tank and he would be a great guy for Glennon to learn from, since they have similar styles.
Mark Sanchez has probably at least 7 years of playing left. He has championship game experience as well. Playing for the Jets messes all QBs up. I think he MIGHT turn things around. He would be perfect competition for Glennon.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
Mark Sanchez ….smh- Really Bro?…Really?
March 7th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
@Patrick – absolutely agree. Pair him up with his Matthews or Watkins and we’d be something to see. Well, if you could stomach the uniforms long enough to watch what was being done
March 7th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
***Tedford*** Sorry… Hopefully he can… I think more is hinging on Tedford offensively to get things going for the Bucs than whether we have Glennon/McCown or any of the draft QB’s… Hopefully Lovie get’s out of the way and lets Tedford cut his tooth in the NFL… From what I’m reading/seeing, he’s proven to mold to the player’s strengths, whether they be great or not… Great coaches and a few great picks are what brought us to our first SB, and that’s what’s going to get us “The F’n BUCS” to the next one!!!
March 7th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
people who want mccown as a starter next year for the tampa bay buccaneers next year accept mediocrity period and its embarassing that people really want this guy. many qb’s have had a run and played some good games. for example matt flyynn, backup qb i might even say shaun hill had some good games as a starting qb. however that doesnt mean he is your full time starter. not happy if this move happens at all
March 7th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
I’d be ok with Manziel in the 2nd round. I dont think anyone could complain about that.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
The fact that they would move like they were shot out of a cannon to sign McCown is telling abut how they view Glennon.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
From PFT
Urlacher says
““He’s going to break the record on another team, probably. It’s crazy to think he won’t be in a Bears uniform doing that. It’s frustrating as an ex-Bear and a player to see that happen,” Urlacher said.
The 31-year-old Hester led the league in kickoff return yards last year and will be a good addition for some other team. Urlacher said Hester should go to Tampa Bay to play for former Bears coach Lovie Smith, who feels the loyalty toward Hester that Urlacher thinks the Bears lack.”
March 7th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
He was speaking of Hester.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says
“Mark Sanchez ….smh- Really Bro?…Really?”
Tell me why not?
He has led his team to the Championship game twice. He has a bunch of playoff wins. And the Jets are a poorly operated franchise.
Get him under Lovie and he’ll play conservative, reduce the picks and still has the ability to reach the championship game.
March 7th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
@eric – or, it’s indicative of the fact that they want to bring in competition and realize that it’s not a good market. It doesn’t mean they’re desperate, it means they want quality comparisons. That’s what the mgh crowd has been looking for right?
March 7th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Mark Sanchez = Brady Quinn
March 7th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Amended Free Agent Target list (taking roster cuts into consideration):
Josh McCown QB
Jason Hatcher DT
Jared Allen DE
Andre Roberts WR
Geoff Schwartz G
Eugene Monroe T
Devin Hester KR/WR
March 7th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
I saw McCown play up here in the Northwoods, as many NFC North games are broadcast up here. He played quite well, when coming in for an injured Cutler. Frankly, there was a debate as to whether the Bears should bench McCown when Cutler came back to play, as the team looked better with McCown. So he should be at least an adequate backup…though no long term starter. And don’t forget…Lovie knew the Offensive system that McCown used in Chicago..the terminology, etc.. Tedford might use some of the same terminology that they used in Chicago, as Lovie is familiar with it. That would make McCown much more of a “plug and play” guy if needed. But then, I told you all the McCown was the real off season veteran talent, didn’t I?
March 7th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Some of our fans are so dumb. Why would McCown come here and be a backup? Derrrrrr.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Garoppolo takes the fouth QB spot, considering he still is available in the 2nd round, and after the pre-season the bucs give Kafka away to the Pats whom with he wins the Super Bowl next season.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Some of you are trying to convince us that Lovie is dumb enough to sign a career back up to be something other than a back up? LMAO… and your trying to insult our intelligence at the same time? This is comical.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
@Buccaneer Bonzai
IMO-Granted he played better in the playoffs both times-His 1st (2yr.) regular season numbers are terrible. Jets defense, just like Baltimore’s, and a few others lead their team into the playoffs.
Its on the record-Tedford prefers- SMART/ACCURATE quarterbacks.
Mark Sanchez Career Numbers speaks volumes; that he is not.
Career Numbers (4yrs)
• CMP% (55.1)
• TD (68)
• INT (69)
March 7th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
I agree with Bonzai, Allen a definate, Hester /Tillman would be nice, I like Schaub over Sanchez. Schaub had one bad year. Have these four compete for the job. Take Sammy Watkins in the draft.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
I don’t know maybe you forgot
Mark Sanchez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTFv65IidTw
March 7th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
At Que589, I would love to see Hatcher and Mccoy playing alongside each other. Pick up Allen or Peppers, have Claiborne / Bowers improve that could be a very formidable front four.
http://www.nfl.com/player/jasonhatcher/2495851/profile
March 7th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
Don’t see Glennon beating out McCown.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Look this is not about what’s fair or what isn’t fair this is a business and it’s about winning.
If you honestly think that if Glennon beat out and performed better than ANYONE including a first round QB if they drafted one and he still wouldn’t get the nod I don’t know what to tell you.
He can in fact MAKE THEM start him by performing above and beyond anyone they bring in.
Not wanting to draft or bring in the BEST QB’s available out fear of Glennon not getting a “fair shot” is pathetic.
First round QB’s have in fact sat a year even multiple years before, it wouldn’t be the first time.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
He wont be a backup up once he beats Glennon for the starting job. Not unless you think a vet QB wont beat a second year QB with just about the same skill set.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Wait a minute, does the MGM REALLY believe Glennon would beat McCown for the starting job?!?! I would be willing to make a wager on that. Now that would be a fun bet.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:25 pm
McCown knows what he is… I don’t think his head is blown up. He’ll be offered the opportunity to compete and retire in the Sunshine State. So what if we sign him out of the gate… The contract he gets will be more telling as to our plans with him.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Couch- these posts are quite comical sometimes. Too much reading between the lines, I think.
You’ve got to stock the shelves. That’s all this is about. He’s a better back-up than Orlovsky .
March 7th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Snook… All of US, me included (we’re all fans), are “dumb”… Otherwise we’d be on the inside of OneBuc… Just a bunch of opinions being thrown around here. It’s pretty kick ass to have this place to throw them around whether we agree or not.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Andrew- I’d like to see solid competition for Glennon but McCown’s been a career back-up. I’m not saying Glennon’s better, I’m just saying McCown’s had opportunities to start and not held on to those positions.There’s probably a reason why.
A handful of decent games doesn’t make you “starting material” all of a sudden(see Scott Mitchell!).
Love your fire Cackalacky Girl! Go Bucs!!!
March 7th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
My opinion is that Glennon and/or McCown are only going to be serviceable at the qb position, not the answer (of course I could be wrong in a big way). If we go for serviceable at qb this year, then I think sure as hell we better score big time with our 1st round pick with either a QB killer or a QB savior.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
NC Girl: McCown will sign with a team to be the starter. He’s not going to hit the market looking for backup money. He’ll get starter money. Why would the Bucs pay starter money and then have him be Beeker’s backup?
The idea is ridiculous.
If he lands in Tampa, he’s the starter. Period. No need for others “opinions”.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai,
That Mark Sanchez bit, is interesting. Being from the frigid north in the state that the jets actually play in. I witnessed first hand his rise and fall… The Jets front office is abysmal which I think is what contributed to his rapid decline becasue they A: signed tebow B:overspent and couldnt afford to keep the talent on the team that helped sanchez make it to those championship games.
It took Drew Brees a change of scenery to take his game to the next level, perhaps the same thing COULD happen for Sanchez… and at least hes younger than 34 so we could have him as the back up for several years if thats all he pans out to be.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:47 pm
He’ll! I’m not a MGM member, but I’ll take that bet Andrew 1!
March 7th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
The closer we get to Tuesday the closer we get to the reality that there is not a real first round QB in this draft. We need a Josh McGowan to compete with and back-up Mike Glennon. Focus on other needs in free agency and the draft and see how the QB position pans out. Defense wins championships. OL and weapons make average Qb’s champions (see Dilfer, Johnson, and Mc Mahon.)
I would be willing to bet that the best QB in this draft will surface in a few tears from a mid-round prospect much like Brady. Not one poster can prove me wrong. Bring on McGowan or Hill, we need strong leadership and maturity. Everyone will get better.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
@ Bucsfanman
Brad Johnson was labled a “career backup-up” for a while, and look how that turned out. For the record, I dont think McCown is hands down better than Glennon, but I do think he is slightly better than Glennon, and that will be enough for him to win the starting Job. We are just going to have to wait see, I mean as of right now the guy is not even on the roster. Plus if we draft a QB, then all bets are off.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
Dang, my comment didnt post. What gives?
March 7th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
any one of the top 4-5 qb’s in the draft have a better skillset than glennon.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
NJ- Sanchez is a wildcard in all of this. I’m not so quick to brush aside the idea of acquiring him. Like you said, he’s young and in need of a change of venue. Could be a great value, dare I say, even a starter.
Yeah, I said it!
It’s all “what if” at this point.
Snook- you seem to hold McCown to a higher level than what he is. No team is going to overpay a career back-up nor hand a career back-up the starting position.
March 7th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
“First round QB’s have in fact sat a year even multiple years before, it wouldn’t be the first time.”
SMH.
March 7th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
McCown is 34 yrs old… Never had any glory years (besides doing a damn good job stepping in last year) to demand “starter” money… I think he will go somewhere (here included) where he thinks he will have a chance at taking the field.
March 7th, 2014 at 3:06 pm
you can tell when a team has sucked for more than a decade….they sit around praying for guys at the end of their career of which most was spent as a backup to come in and make some kind of difference….so if mccown has the experience lovie covets and we do go 8-8 what was the point and what was his true value, now your middle of the pack and out of contention for any top tier quarterback for next years draft….if josh mccown, shaun hill, kafke if any of these guys are coming here to start i’d rather deal with mike glennon 4.94 40 time trying to get away from speed rushers…a 40 time was the johnny manziel like this year lol…really people josh mccown
luke mccown, josh johnson and byron leftwich were more experienced than josh freeman but how long did it take before we got tired of looking at them before the fans finally got excited about josh freeman….if that is the best we can do for a quarterback you might as well go with glennon is my point god please dont anyone else bring up josh freeman’s name just sayin…..
March 7th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
If we bring a guy in who isn’t better than Glennon, we really are in a world of hurt.
March 7th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
Martinii Said:
March 7th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
“The closer we get to Tuesday the closer we get to the reality that there is not a real first round QB in this draft.”
“Not one poster can prove me wrong.”
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ummmmmmmmmm, come may 8, when 3-4 qb’s are taken in round 1, you will be “proven” wrong.
ps glennon sucks
March 7th, 2014 at 3:28 pm
bridgewater, bortles, carr, manziel, garopolo, and even the injured qb’s playing with 1 arm or leg are better than glennon.
seriously, spend a first round pick on a qb and end this farce. what does glennon inspire? mediocrity. we spent 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks on the defensive line recently. we spent $$$ on the oline recently. we drafted the third qb in the weakest qb draft in a while, in the third round even. time to take a big risk for the big reward.
March 7th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
I made a list of the 32 QBs that played significant time for thier teams last year sorted by when they were drafted year , round ,overall pick
3 things I got from this list:
a) There are alot of years not represnted meaning there arent starting QBS from that year that are currently NFL starters
b)there are alot of 1st rounders that are only starting becasue of injuries, or on teams other than the ones that drafted them
c) of the 8 superbowl winning QBs on this list only 2 were drafted at 7th overall or better.
(I tried posting the list, but i guess there is a character limit so it wouldnt let me)
March 7th, 2014 at 3:30 pm
Peyton Manning 1 (1st overall 1998)
Tom Brady 6 (199th overall 2000)
Drew Brees 1 (32nd overall 2001)
Carson Palmer – 1 (overall 2003)
Tony Romo – 2003 Undrafted
Eli Manning 1 (1 overall 2004)
Phillip Rivers 1 (4th overall 2004)
Ben Rothlisberger 1 (11th overall 2004)
Matt Schaub 3 (90th overall 2004)
Alex Smith 1 ( 1st overall 2005)
Jason Campbell 1 (25th overall 2005)
Arron Rodgers 1 (24th overall 2005)
Matt Cassel 7 (230th overall 2005)
Jay Cutler – 1 (11th overall 2006)
Kellen Clemons 2 (49th overall 2006)
Matt Ryan – 1 (3 overall 2008)
Joe Flacco -1 (18th overall 2008)
Chad Henne 3 (57th overall 2008)
Matthew Stafford 1 (1st overall 2009)
Sam Bradford 1 (1st overall 2010)
Cam Newton – 1 (1st overall 2011))
Andy Dalton 2 (35th overall 2011)
Collin Kaepernick 2 (36th overall 2011)
Terrelle Pryor –supplemental draft 2011
Andrew luck 1 (1 overall 2012)
Robert Griffin 1 (2nd overall 2012)
Ryan Tannehill 1(8th overall 2012)
Russell Wilson 3 (75th overall 2012)
Nick Foles 3 (88th overall 2012)
EJ Manual (16th overall 2013)
Geno Smith 2 (39th overall 2013)
Mike Glennon 3 (73rd overall 2013)
March 7th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
NJ- Your point is lost on some of these posters(Lurker). Drafting QBs in the first round is not an assurance of success. These kids have college level experience, not NFL. Short of those that play in the SEC, like Manziel and McCarron, they are not playing top-level talent.
If we “happen” upon A QB(other than Bortles, Carr, or Garopolo) at pick #7 then, yeah, take a look. Otherwise, there are many other holes that need to be addressed.
So what if the QB isn’t exciting! W’s are freaking W’s.
March 7th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
seriously, bucsfanman? and you place glennon where on the list of starters?in the top half, top 1/3 ?
no one is assured of success based on where they were drafted. hmmmmmmmm, see how that works.
qb is our weakest area and we need to spend to improve it. free agency is weak this year and the coming years for qb’s. whatever hole you think is bigger than qb is better filled in free agency, in later rounds, or in the draft next year.
March 7th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
What difference does it make where Glennon was drafted? he either can or cant do the job.
So far, doesn’t appear that he can.
There are scores of first round draft choices that fail, at all positions. So, should we just not use our first rounder? Whoever we pick might be a failure.
March 7th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Joe disagrees with me, but I like Zack Mettenberger quite a bit from this draft. His pro-day is April 9. If he is healthy and Tedford sees what I see, then he could be a franchise QB for a 2nd-4th round pick this year.
McCown would start for a year while Mettenberger heals and learns in this scenario. Unlike a #7 pick, he wouldn’t have to start day 1.
March 7th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
@Bucs4lyfe
Once again very good points
March 7th, 2014 at 4:09 pm
snook Said:
“If he lands in Tampa, he’s the starter. Period. No need for others “opinions”.”
Your opinions pretty much suck ass too.
March 7th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
I could not be any more tired of the apparent war between the MGM and Joe — but I guess this is the stuff that sports blogs are made of.
I believe that Mack is the best pick at 7 (if he is there) and that we can give Glennon, McCown or who-ever a shot while we finish the building process. If things go well in 2014 then we may have a proven QB starter with a proven season under his belt and a killer D with a FA DE and Mack alongside our already solid core. . . or, we stink, and we geta shot at a high draft pick in 2015 with a strong QB class anyway. What is the downside? (unless you cannot separate yourself from a “win-now” perspective?)
March 7th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
Glennon has plenty things to work on to improve his overall game & conditioning.
But Clearly the Talent & Potential is there (Ref: Seattle Game/Jon Gruden)
I’m also glad that, we’ve got one of the Best Quarterback Guru’s in the Nation to mentor the young Lad. Also extremely happy to hear that Tedford/Lovie/Licht are pursing a more qualified veteran over the incumbent Dan Orlovsky. Sounds like we’re about to finally turn this ship around.
I’m excited. GO BUCS!!
Gruden’s QB Camp: Mike Glennon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGfQQPYx3dQ
March 7th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
so we wait a year to draft a qb, with a midround pick no-less, since most here feel we will win at least 8 games? and then we have a rookie next year while the defense is getting older. is that the logic?
we need a qb drafted this year, and not an injured 4 rounder. we need one of the top qb’s. mariota sucks and chokes too much. Winston will probably stay in school. so that leaves hundley and who else that we need to move up from the 17-25 to get?
March 7th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
u love research, luvmybucs.
find me a gruden qb camp where he hates the qb.
thanks in advance.
March 7th, 2014 at 4:44 pm
You’re reading too much into it Lurker. The jury’s out on Glennon, what do you compare him to? He has no body of work, unless you count 13 games behind the worst OL in history and no running game.
The list of QBs you mention are not guaranteed to be better or worse than Glennon. That’s the point. Clearly you have a strong opinion of Glennon which I don’t share(nor mentioned previously).
Not that I’m a huge Glennon fan, but it’s people like you who make me want Glennon to knock it out of the park. Good luck with your hate!
March 7th, 2014 at 4:45 pm
Lol yes everybody believes we will win 8 games. I guess that is exactly what will happen.
This nonsense that we have to draft a QB because we wont picking this high again is beyond stupid.
March 7th, 2014 at 4:49 pm
Couch- Thank you for some sanity!
March 7th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Lol,
ESPN SportsCenter – Gruden’s QB Camp: Jimmy Clausen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGSTyFD7rfw
March 7th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
ohh ok couch. revert to name-calling again when someone opinion differs.
the nonsense that glennon earned a shot to be starter and is great is “beyond stupid”.
@bucsfanman
I feel the same way with your hate on the o-line, d-line, and any other holes. ” …but it’s people like you who make me want o-line, d-line, whatever to knock it out of the park. Good luck with your hate!”
March 7th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
Lol
Classic Gru
• This is Disrespectful to the GAME
• This is Disrespectful to Notre Dame
• This is Disrespectful to the Quarterback Postion
March 7th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
ohh ok couch. revert to name-calling again when someone opinion differs.
the nonsense that glennon earned a shot to be starter and is great is “beyond stupid”.
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Aww. Dont cry now especially since you do a good deal of insulting yourself. And I agree with you. Good thing I never said anything about Glennon being great. He does deserve a shot though, your opinion doesn’t change that fact except in your own mind.
March 7th, 2014 at 4:59 pm
your welcome
March 7th, 2014 at 4:59 pm
“I feel the same way with your hate on the o-line, d-line, and any other holes. ” …but it’s people like you who make me want o-line, d-line, whatever to knock it out of the park. Good luck with your hate!”
Wow! I feel like I’ve just been teleported in time! Have a good weekend dude!
Go Bucs!
March 7th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
really, dude? I watched that little clip.
it was about putting a bad decision on “tape” that scouts, etc are gonna watch. gruden only want good plays, highlight, shown, not the whole package. gruden is explaining about selling himself.
that wasn’t hate.
no more wool over the eyes, please. lol
March 7th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
couch, same old dork who thinks he’s tough, as usual. crying, really. you just need to resort to sophomoric attempts of belittling people. sad, really.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
Lol What!!!! That wasn’t hate, hahahahahaha. He ripped the poor kid a new one-
Then told ’em –Who’s gonna be the next -Great QB Coach-Not Who’s Gonna be the next great QB…lol
March 7th, 2014 at 5:09 pm
ps luv
that was fast research, and a quick response, though. credit for that.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:11 pm
I’m flattered you dedicated an entire post to me, even as misguided as it is. Let’s stay on topic shall we and stop crying please. There is no crying in football!
I do agree though that Gruden is not any kind of special talent evaluator.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
watched it again, he was talking about putting bad decisions on tape.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:18 pm
I can’t think of one high school coach that would say that-that was an endorsement interview.
Charlie Weis, voiced his displeasure about the video-Actually there was a lot a buzz about his stock dropping after that video. Folks even went to twitter/and other social media outlets and attacked Gru for his opinion (Gru’s-been kinda PC ever since)
But hey, I’m only going off what I see and hear.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
@Couch Fan
When it comes to positional Coaches. I don’t think you’ll find anyone that will tell you that Gru is not one of the best QB coaches ever!!
March 7th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
@LUV
QB Coach yes but he doesn’t coach Glennon. He’s only evaluating him.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
here’s an interesting take on gruden’s qb camp via yahoosports, I believe in 2012.
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Tue Apr 19 01:52pm EDT
Jon Gruden’s ‘QB Camp’ makes people uncomfortable
By MJD
Despite his performances on Monday nights, ESPN analyst Jon Gruden is capable of making some entertaining television.
Gruden’s “QB Camp” series, in which he pokes and prods QB draft prospects, seems to exist for the sole purpose of making guys like Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert cringe uncomfortably in their chair while trying to think of something to say that would make them look halfway competent. If that’s the case, Gruden has nailed it.
Here’s Cam Newton, struggling with verbiage in a couple of different ways.
And here’s Blaine Gabbert, listening to Gruden do just about everything short of calling him a shotgun-loving pansy.
Awwwwwwkward.
Former Gruden quarterback Shaun King finds the whole thing awkward, too, because he doesn’t feel like Gruden is qualified for such interrogations. Via JoeBucsFan.com, King, co-host of “The King David Show” on WQYK-AM in Tampa, questions the whole notion of Gruden-as-QB-molder.
“I won’t watch it. I disagree with the premise of the show. The premise is that Gruden is some kind of quarterbacks guru and that having him as a destination for a rookie QB is the ideal situation for a rookie and that just hasn’t proven to be the case.”
As JoeBucsFan points out, Gruden’s seen the most success in his career with veteran quarterbacks like Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson(notes), but when he’s had to rely on a young fellow like Chris Simms(notes), Luke McCown(notes) or Bruce Gradkowski(notes), he has not made magic.
Regardless, it’s fun to watch him turn Newton and Gabbert into flustered fidgeters. That’s Gruden’s job now — to make good television. That’s what he’s doing.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
@Couch Fan
That’s my point brotha, when you’ve got one of the best positional coaches, evaluating a particular prospects for his position….I listen to wiser counsel-I drop that sponge and soak some of that up.
March 7th, 2014 at 5:41 pm
Jon Gruden Calls Out Dumba$$ Clausen Pick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPjKpbLumDM
March 7th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
Gru called out Johnny Football too. “Am I going to have to deal with this”
The mantra that he is never negative is just the usual made up Gruden hate, just like the “all his players hated him”, which was never true.
And did any of those QB’s that he “failed to develop” ever do squat anywhere else? Never had a talented young QB to work with. Please identify the coach who could have developed King, Sims or Gradkowski.
I must have missed where King went on to greatness after the mistreatment by Gruden.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
I saw that before you posted. again, he calls the coaches dumba$$es.
oh well, his camp is just entertainment. I wonder if lawyers told him to be nice so that if a prospect falls the agents don’t accuse gruden of damaging future earnings.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
I thought it amusing that it was king stating such.
but gruden did tend to lean towards veteran qb’s, ala gannon, Johnson. maybe he had to. it was rumored he didn’t care for rook’s in general.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:14 pm
I would say tedford has had more work with young qb’s than gruden. gruden was wr coach, offensive coordinator, hc, hc. he never solely worked with qb’s as a qb coach. I wonder if he worked on mechanics with his qb’s or just x’s and o’s, reading defenses.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:14 pm
Lol,
So your gonna compare Shaun Kings opinion to:
Bill Walsh calling Jon Gruden a Brilliant football mind
Because of Shaun King, I’m suppose to forget about the opinions of other great positional coaches & players like.
Mike Holmgren
Steve Mariucci
Andy Reid
Steve Young
Bret Favre
And Forget about the ringing endorsemnt Marc Trestman & Jason Garrett gave him…smh
Nope your right Shaun King’s opinion is Supreme..smh
March 7th, 2014 at 6:15 pm
Brett Favre
March 7th, 2014 at 6:17 pm
it was a differing view. is your mouth big enough for your other foot?
I forgot how you only think you are right even though everything is opinion. not.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:18 pm
Yeah, I’m sure his legal team did strongly recommend for him to pipe it down some.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
brilliant football mind went to and won one superbowl. smh. and he quits coaching.
but if you love gruden’s opinion so much, read:
http://coachingsearch.247sports.com/Article/Jon-Gruden-shares-his-opinion-of-Johnny-Manziel-179782
gruden’s qb camp of johnny football manziel airs in 20 days. mark it joes.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:28 pm
of course winning superbowls is more than x’s and o’s. I think once he got his gm (yesman) in, things were going to go downhill. need checks and balances. heck, andy reid missed just coaching.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
1st off, I don’t have any problem being dead wrong. I’ve come back months later (Same Screen Name since 2004/Ole’ Buccanneers.com Forum/TBO/JBBF etc etc etc. And admitted being wrong about a certain prospect or situation.
I Don’t go after posters, with name calling and what not-It’s simply not the case
So we can engage in hyperbole, you can insulting or whatever floats your boat. But one thing I do try extremely hard to do is only present the facts. Even if I post the wrong information-I have no problem going back to correct it-Or be corrected for that matter.
March 7th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
So we can engage in hyperbole, you can be insulting or whatever floats your boat
March 7th, 2014 at 6:39 pm
smh
I just stick with that, like most people here.
smh
March 7th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
lol..smh
March 7th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
Hmmm, some of these post come back a few minutes after they’ve been posted. I wonder why If there’s no links or foul language?
March 7th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
I had that problem before. I notice long posts seem to take a while. moderation?
I had 2 links to youtube about gruden’s qb camp. they were spoofs by frank calliendo. but they didn’t get posted.
March 7th, 2014 at 7:44 pm
To Quote Joe:
[is McCown better than Brees, Newtown or Ryan? Hard to win with the fourth best QB]
Cost benefit analysis, How much will the bucs improve by spending the money needed for McCown, or is the money better spent getting a [pass rusher, WR, etc] and keeping Glennon?
You should always spend your money on the biggest impact, not a marginal increase (if Josh is even that)
March 7th, 2014 at 8:29 pm
just read something interesting. derek and david carr could be a combo order.
some teams might consider signing david as a backup after drafting derek. that is interesting. though david is 34, and didn’t play last year, some teams inquired about him last year.
March 7th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
Alshon Jeffery, Brandon Marshall, matt forte, martellus Bennett. If we can bring them along with mccown I would like this idea. Mccown on the 2013 bucs would have been no better than glennon. Shaun hill I can live with cause he will be cheap.
March 7th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
He earned a shot under the previous regime, not this one.
I thought I saw someone wish something worse upon our organization than the previous torment we faced with Freeman by mentioning Bucs and Sanchez in the same breath.
Please God no…
And if McCown can make the throws he was making last year i’m sure he would win the job.
March 7th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
Well if they get him next week….then you know who our starter will be. He’s not gonna come here when he can go somewhere else and start.
March 8th, 2014 at 12:18 am
It’s unfortunate. If Joe is right, and they are hot after McCown, then they have made a decision on Glennon.
They came, they saw, and they found him lacking.
They aren’t signing McCown to back up Glennon. They are signing him to steer the ship, until their guy is ready to start.
That’s how it works. If McCown is successful- then the Rookie gets plenty of time to assimilate, until he’s thrown in the pits. They feel comfortable with McCown playing, until said Rookie was ready.
They believe McCown can Win games. If they Thought Glennon was that guy, Dan O is an adequate Backup for a young QB. Glennon would start, and drafting a QB would be an option.
At McCowns age- he’s here to keep the drivers seat warm, and can do so for a year or two. Significant grooming time.
I had hoped they were comfortable with Glennon, to give us better draft day options.
Apparently not.
Since they are QB shopping- don’t be surprised if they go to the second round.
Especially if they can trade back, and still get Derek Carr.
But Garrappolo is a good prospect. And Alabama and LSU both have, in my opinion, underrated prospects. Tedford believes he can coach up any young QB.
In an equally telling move, David Carr announced he is coming out of retirement, in the hopes of backing up his brother.
Only one team would give him reason to believe that was a possibility.
Guess which one
March 8th, 2014 at 1:15 am
I’ve never seen so many people not like a qb after a rookie season throwing 19tds to 9 ints ever. Good thing they weren’t in charge of the Colts after Peyton’s first season.
March 8th, 2014 at 2:30 am
Peyton improved the Colts offense.
But I don’t dislike Glennon at all. I was hoping that Tedford saw something there to work with. It would have given us many more options in the Draft.
But, we have to trust their evaluation. Not Dims or Schianos.
Really curious to see if David Carr follows thru. That kid got beat to death in Houston. Thought he needed a year or two away from football.
If our QBs were Derek Carr, David Carr, and Josh McCown- I wouldn’t feel to bad about that at all.
March 8th, 2014 at 2:53 am
and maybe we can recoup that third rounder by trading glennon. I mean I’ve never seen so many people so high on a qb running the 32nd ranked offense, no comebacks, immobile, inaccurate and weak-armed on long passes, ever. he must be worth what they spent drafting him.
March 8th, 2014 at 10:59 am
Lurker,
Seeing as EJ Manuel and Geno Smith were 1st and 2nd round picks, having the best rookie QB, and only investing a 3rd round pick, is a pleasant surprise.
Your boy, Rip Van Freeman, did a helluva lot worse under the same circumstances this year.
Glennon hasn’t proven much, but he has shown he was the best rookie signal caller from hos draft, and he was better than our former 1st round pick and 5 year incumbent.
Why reach, and waste, the 7th overall pick? Take BPA. We need OT/Edge Pass Rush worse than the QB obsessed segment of our fan base can realize.
March 8th, 2014 at 11:20 am
Despite all the pleas and stat spins by the Glennon mob, it appears that our new regime has decided Mike is not the man.
Mikes only chance of starting appears to be ,if the Glazers change their mind- and rehire Schiano.
Soon, the Glennon mob will join the”Trent Richardson fan club”, and the Dodo bird in extinction.
Feel bad for Mike. But will nice to read post, without having the MGM boys trying to turn everyone into a “we love Mike” tirade.
Guess last places offenses, and 15 yard ducks didn’t do it for Lovie.
March 8th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
BO JIM:
McCown will want Cassel/Henne money.
The Bucs won’t pay him that money to sit on the bench.
Soooooo…. I’m right.
March 8th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Capt. Tim,
I was right, and you were wrong, about which prospect was seen as “better”, thus drafted the earliest in their class: Morris Claibourne and Trent Richardson.
Richardson is not a special back, but you thought Claibourne should’ve been picked earlier. Wrong.
Were you a Freeman belieber?
March 8th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
SteveK,
We never discussed mo to Trent. You were Pro Trent, and I said he was waaaaay overrated. I don’t care where he was drafted. He is a huge bust. As I said he would be.
You were wrong. Muhahaha!!!
Um, but , yeah. I admit it. I was a Freeman supporter.
Oh, the Pain. Gotta take my lashes on that one.
March 8th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
And Claibourne is still the better prospect.
He’s still a starter. Richardson has been unceremoniously dumped by Cleveland, and has already been dubbed a waste in Indy.
Fair is fair. Lol. I’m admitting my um, “unfortunate misplaced faith in Josh.
Ya win some, ya lose some. At least it’s not our money!!
March 8th, 2014 at 11:30 pm
@ Buccaneer Bonzai
“Hawk Says
“‘If’ the Bucs start the season with ANY QB from this draft, then they will be optimistically looking at an 8-8 season. That is, of course, if Lovies’ defense can win 8 games.”
See? Clearly Hawk doesn’t want true competition.”
That’s what you got out of that? Really? Other than Bridgewater (who the Bucs have ZERO chance of getting), there is NO QB in this draft that is ready to take the reins. That, of course, is my opinion. Though yours may be different, it isn’t any better/worse than mine.
“Oh, he’d be happy probably with McCown, but as I said, Josh would not be real competition.”
Again, REALLY? *I* think that McCown would beat Glennon for the starting job, but just to show I’m being ‘fair’, I wouldn’t mind having Shaub or Sanchez(although I haven’t seen a lot of Sanchez, I’ll trust your opinion here). If the Bucs start the season with three QBs, I hope the other two are better than Glennon. Just like I hope they start the season with a better DT than McCoy, a better LB that David, etc. How could ANYONE not want that kind of roster?
“Is it likely Lovie would start McCown knowing he’ll only play one more year? I doubt it. Glennon would still get the start, just so he can develop further. So really, Josh McCown is NOT competition.”
You have no idea what Lovie is thinking. I’m not sure that he tells his wife, during this time of year. You also don’t ‘know’ how many years McCown has left in the tank. If McCown (or other veteran) comes in, my bet is that it’s not for competition, but to be the starter. Then they are going to want the veteran to mentor the two ‘youngsters’, to see who will ascend to the throne.
I think competition is good at EVERY position. My only problem with drafting a QB at #7, is that (IMO) Bridgewater is the only QB that has the ‘potential’ to be an effective starter in his rookie season. He won’t be there at #7. *I* am not in favor of wasting such a premium pick on a 2nd rd quality QB when there are holes that can be fixed with that pick.
If you still think I’m a ‘Glennonite’ or whatever, then so be it.
March 11th, 2014 at 12:31 am
They better not be dumpling Revis just to have the many millions to win the bidding war to get McCown here. Better to sign Orlovsky to a one year extension for a million and offer him equal time in preseason to compete to be the starter. He is good enough to beat out Glennon in a fair competition. Then take Bortles or Carr at 7. I would not even mind them bringing in David Carr at a million dollars and then draft his brother. The other cheap option would be Tebow to give him a shot to prove his production for the Broncos was no fluke. But don’t waste millions over McCown’s real worth! That would not be a value pick as Licht talked about.
March 14th, 2014 at 1:48 am
Teams always reach for QBs in the Draft, expecially if they don’t have a franchise QB already. Always. That’s why many QBs should never have been picked as high as they usually are. It’s the most inflated position on draft day…
Teddy, Blake, and Johnny should all be gone by the sixth pick. Johnny fits best in Jax. Blake looks like a ringer for the Raiders. Teddy could help any of the other teams in the first handful of picks.
I recall Luby was here when trent Dilfer was the QB… and we all know, even Trent QB’d a SB team! Luby says he wants 4 QBs in camp. If you have 4 Qbs in camp, you don’t have a QB yet. And if Trent can win.. ????
The bucs solidifiede their D line in FA. Having two picks entering their second year the new FA blood and Luby’s influence will keep this group here at least for this year unless a slam dunk value laden choice comes their way in later rounds. So no great pick in the first round for either QB or D line for the Bucs in 2014.
Losing Nix at guard, and letting Joseph go puts some big holes at O line Guard spots. They also need to look at Linebackers and or WRs, given they added defensive backfield pro bowler on the corner opposite seconde year surprise Banks. Adding some speed to the Mike= LB couldn’t hurt as dthey could move the current resident MLB to the strong side and have a stellar starting LB corps. Depth there is a need.
At WR Williams contract extension last year was another poor and very premature move, and he’s not proven durable or as the No. 1 WR. Speed is what is needed at WR now. Vince isn’t going to be here forever and maybe not past this season given his contract, though he could be receptive to renegotiating it to stay… but only winning will make that choice for him or the Bucs.
Ruinning backs on the roster are all young and all productive even behind a lack luster injury plagued O line. The sacks and funbles Glennon was nabbed for were predominately the O line Guard responsibility. The O line was non existant aginst good to very good opposing D linemen..
What is missing most on the bucs roster is a young speedy quality WR, a solid earth moving young center. .. and one very good guard., and depth in the D backfield.
Speedy WRs don’t take 4 seconds to gain separation… and only good young guards are needed then. I don’t think the Bucs offense will be an airborne sort. More closer to balanced maybe, but likely a run first variety. I think it’s a coin flip for either wR the O line being addressed at #7.
The best choice for the Bucs IMO is A Center or guard, and maybe, with their first two selctions in the draft picking for the O line.
Those are the only glaring needs, O line help and depth, and speed outside for the receiving corps. The other rounds will be for depth. This is a talented team and if Freeman had not screwed the pooch in the first quarter of the year, we might be picking in the middle of the draft which is where many here think we’ll be next year. So the Bucs need to hang lose and wait for the FSU QB to enter the draft and tank the season prior to his entry or make a huge trade for him in two years…. Or go FA then as they should have last year and gotten Alex Smith instead of letting KC get him. .
Ya gotta score points, but defense wins the rings. Look for the D line to be