Mike Glennon: “Super Bowl Quarterback”
February 11th, 2014
“Others know you are blessed, my son.”
Yes, Joe is dumbfounded by today’s passionate column by Pat Yasinskas, ESPN.com Bucs beat writer. Yasinskas makes a long case (about 700 words) that Mike Glennon very likely could be the Buccaneers’ Super Bowl quarterback.
Joe can respond to that in one word: poppycock.
A big part of Yasinskas’ argument centers around the assertion that Glennon is better than Rex Grossman, who led Lovie Smith’s Bears to the Super Bowl seven years ago. Frankly, that left Joe speechless and nearly in tears. Must Bucs fans set the bar so low?
In the interest of internal peace, Joe’s going to skip that whole take and focus on what Yasinskas wrote about the other side of the football.
History has a way of repeating itself, so use your imagination a little bit and you can see a similar blueprint taking shape for the Bucs. They already have a very good defense that could become great if they use their free-agent or draft currency on a pass-rushing defensive end instead of a glitzy quarterback. Combine that defense with running back Doug Martin, who should be healthy after missing much of last season with an injury, and it’s not too difficult to picture the Bucs having a winning season.
Now Joe surely can’t say, like Yasinskas does, that the Bucs have a “very good defense” right now. The Bucs defense last season was average at best against the run and the pass, and not special at all outside of a few games.
Lovie is a great, proven defensive coach, but the Bucs still have to prove it on the field. There will be a new scheme and new parts.
Yes, the we-don’t-need-a-great-quarterback model still could get a team to the Super Bowl, but do the Bucs really need to be the team to test the theory?
February 11th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
“Joe can respond to that in one word: poppycock.”
Considering Joe labeled the great Mark Dominik a “rock star” years ago, I’ll consider the source when it comes to his assessment of talent.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
There’s still a bit of an old-school mentality going on, where you focus on building the defense first. I am not opposed to it. Ideally though, I’d rather have a pro-bowl type QB than a caretaker.
For the Bucs, at this point in time, I think putting together the last few pieces for a complete defense should be the priority. Any fair-minded person has got to at least acknowledge that we don’t really know what Glennon’s ceiling is, so why not give him another year so we can find out? I think with a few holes plugged on defense and a speed threat on offense, this team can compete for a playoff spot. I don’t share Yasinskas’ low expectations for the QB position, but I do think a team can field a winner without a star QB.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
Once again JOE simply ignores anything that might be considered pro Glennon and doesn’t pay attention to the article. What Yasinskas was referring to is how to build a SB team without having to have a top 5 QB. A type of building that has won quite a few superbowls, including ones against record setting offenses and QBs. This article isn’t about what Glennon is, but rather what the team needs.
IF we picked up a dominant DE like Hardy, and added a couple of pieces to the offense, we would be a lot closer to the Seahawks, Ravens, and Bucs of recent years, than we would be to the Broncos or Colts of recent years by drafting another rookie QB, who is definitely not as good as Andrew Luck.
Not that we shouldn’t grab a QB in the first given the rookie salary cap. But to think they will bring us to respectability faster than a dominant defense (which we are a DE away) you are crazy….IMHO
February 11th, 2014 at 5:45 pm
That’s the difference between you and Joe. You want to be respected. Joe wants another Super Bowl title.
If you just want respect; just want to sniff the playoffs, hiding a quarterback will do that.
Joe has loftier goals.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:45 pm
^^ Forget Hardy. Not happening.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:45 pm
I can’t understand why Joe is so down on Glennon. He clearly had an extremely promising season last year. Is it because you are being influenced by Steve Duemig? If so, I would recommend finding a more credible mentor (which shouldn’t be hard to do at all) as soon as possible. I put much more weight in my own observations and the positive opinions expressed by Greg Cosell, Rich Gannon, Ron Jaworski, John Gruden, Pat Yasinskas who are all far more credible than Duemig. I have always been baffled by the fact that he has maintained a job in radio. Find a different mentor immediately! And don’t worry about changing your stance on Glennon after making so many ill-conceived comments about him. I find it to be a respectable trait when a person owns up to being a putz.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:46 pm
Joe seems to forget that Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl. I mean, he’s good, but he’s not a top 5 QB. But he’s good enough when you play defense.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Glennon as super bowl QB? Stranger things have happened, though maybe not in the NFL. Anything is possible, I’ll remain positive that Glennon can carry the load in 2014, until proven otherwise.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:48 pm
Flacco is in another league from Glennon. Com’on now.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
Leonard:
Joe’s “mentor” (no one that lives in the Tampa Bay area) long ago told him to write what he sees (good, bad or indifferent). Joe sees Glennon as a very good backup quarterback.
Would Joe love to see Glennon get the Bucs to a Super Bowl? Damn, right! Just don’t see what others want to see.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:56 pm
Flacco is in another league from Glennon. Com’on now.
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How do you know? The Bucs were a shamble on offense last year and didn’t give Glennon a fair chance to showcase his talent. Flacco played in a system that overcome his weaknesses and not to mention had one of the games best offensive lines and RB.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
I don’t understand how Joe can be so sure about his judgment of Glennon after a rookie year in which he was thrown into a crappy offense with crippled weapons, yet still managed to put up decent numbers and, outside of one of his early starts, didn’t lose games. I think there’s a lot to build upon. I don’t see why he can’t be like Flacco. Flacco isn’t going to blow away anyone with his physical skills or win games by putting the team on his back. I’m not part of the MGM, but I think he was pretty damn impressive for a rookie. With Tedford’s coaching, I think the guy has a real chance to be a pretty good starter. You can win with that, if you play good defense and special teams.
February 11th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
Freeman had less to work with as a rookie and actually beat a playoff team.
Before we sprinkle Holy Water on Glennon, can’t we at least let him beat a playoff team once? Just once?
February 11th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
If you don’t know this, then there’s really no need to respond further to you on this subject. smh
February 11th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
@Joe,
Comparing Glennon to Freeman is pointless. Freeman has elite physical skills.
There’s no anointing of Glennon in my comments, just an open mind. I am totally in favor of acquiring competition for him. Just not sure I want to spend a #1 pick on a QB when the defensive personnel is close and we need all the pass rush we can get.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
If you don’t know this, then there’s really no need to respond further to you on this subject. smh
smart@ss
You’d look real stupid if Glennon went on to another team and took them to the SB
February 11th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
Hey, if the Bucs draft any quarterback in the first round and Glennon beats the guy out, more power to Glennon! Seriously. Just that the guy has shown Joe very little that he can carry a team to the playoffs. The Bucs, hopefully, will never be in this position again to draft a quarterback, the most important position on the team.
It would be a crying shame that five or eight years from now, the Bucs still need a quarterback to get over the hump, but don’t suck enough to have a decent draft pick.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
wow really so all you have to do is complete 60% of your passes while averaging like 5 yards per pass and you can be a superbowl quarterback…..it’s the offseason so media types so the most over top thing they can think of and pay it happens. it’s obvious our defense is going to be good, it was average with a below average coaching staff….we’ve got a running back, we’ve got decent receivers… glennon has no stafford to calvin johnson type ability….he cant even throw jump balls because he doesnt have the arm strength or the vision to throw downfield if you disagree then why why did he average lets say 6 yards per catch just for the sake of argument….
seriously people theres a reason they had to do a complete overhaul of the offense after josh freeman was benched, really theres nothing exciting about a game manager brad johnson type qb in this age of football.
i’ll get behind glennon when he beats out a veteran qb like russell wilson did, espn has lost their minds letting pat yankme write that garbage….
glennon is just a guy because he hasnt proved anything otherwise he has no deep ball whatsoever so if he starts this new season every team we face will know it as well, no one scared of his arm strength or his escapability so he’s no threat
February 11th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
If Glennon ever leaves the Bucs, Joe won’t blink an eye dropping $50 on that wager. Hell, $100.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:21 pm
“Writer speaking in third person” doesn’t think Glennon has what it takes.
“Writer speaking in third person” wants the Bucs to draft Manziel.
I had no idea. We had no idea.
Considering Bridgewater might drop, perhaps, your readers could get an article about him? I know, I know, third person writer writes on topics he likes.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
Johnny Manziel ever starting in a Super Bowl: poppycock.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
So Russell Wilson the 2 year game managing average at best throwing offense QB didn’t already test these waters?
Peyton Manning arguably one of the best QB’s of all time got his lunch handed to him by a solid defensive team with a game managing heavy run offensive scheme .. Like the Ravens .. Like the Bucs … Like many other Superbowl winning defensive teams. I think its nice to get one of those guys but def not necessary.
Give me Glennon and the #1 Defense everyday of the week… especially on Sunday!
February 11th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
The speed at which everyone is trying to write Glennon off makes me more confident that he’s going to not only start, but surprise.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:25 pm
“It would be a crying shame that five or eight years from now, the Bucs still need a quarterback to get over the hump, but don’t suck enough to have a decent draft pick.” says Joe ~ Great point!
I really doubt we will be having high draft picks for the next decade.
1st or 2nd round QB should be coming to us in this draft.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Brooks:
Joe doesn’t think Bridgewater gets past Houston. There’s your answer to lack of stories on Bridgewater from Joe.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
“You’d look real stupid if Glennon went on to another team and took them to the SB”
Sorry, but that already happened with another player i/e, Michael Bennett, what makes you think it will not happen with Glennon. The Bucs should stop making that kind of mistakes. Joe is right, I like G8, he did mighty fine, but our chance to get a quality QB, is now, it doesn’t matter if he’ll be in the sidelines learning, think about the future. What if Glennon goes through a “sophomore slump”? Think, people. Get a Quality Qb now, that we can.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
“Like the Bucs… ” Really? The Bucs won a Super Bowl without a quarterback? Interesting. Joe swears he saw Brad Johnson on the Pro Bowl roster that year.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
That’s it! The Bucs may never have this opportunity (hope not) to draft a quarterback like this spring. If said draft pick pushes Glennon and Glennon beats him out for the starting gig, that’s great! If not, the Bucs still have a quarterback. Win-win.
This is not anti-Glennon, but anti-mediocrity and anti-being stud in a subpar quarterback rut.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:36 pm
I just find it funny how Joe keeps dismissing a quarterback who had a very good rookie season on a team that was in disarray. He played better than any of us expected him to play.
I didn’t see Joe calling for Freeman’s head after his dreadful rookie season.
That’s because Freeman’s rookie season wasn’t dreadful. He showed signs of greatness, beat a playoff. Put away the stats for a change. –Joe
February 11th, 2014 at 6:36 pm
He deserves a shot to compete
February 11th, 2014 at 6:37 pm
“Like the Bucs… ” Really? The Bucs won a Super Bowl without a quarterback? Interesting. Joe swears he saw Brad Johnson on the Pro Bowl roster that year.
I was thinking more in the actual SB game but your right Brad did have 3000 yards and 20 TD’s that season def pro bowl material my bad..
February 11th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Please stop the madness.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
Quit hating Joe. Glennon might not of had the wow factor as a rookie but he played pretty well with little weapons and a beat up offensive line. He also never lost his poise and should of had several more wins than he did if a few plays turned out differently. To right him off would be just unfair especially seeing how so many smart people in and around the NFL have more high praise for the kid than not. Obviously he can’t be gifted the job but I think Glennon’s skill set and personality are perfect for a team lead by its defense. Russel Wilson didn’t win the Super Bowl for the Seahawks his defense did….just goes to show defenses can still win championships.
February 11th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
Joe
you judging a player by 1 year of play his rookie year expecially hard work pays off you never know what Glennon is doing to get better this of season as well as I’m the right system some player are better look at mccown in chicago and the west coast system and foles in Kelly systems both were even starters and look at there play this year
February 11th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
Whoever everyone is going crazy over run the opposite way. Ask any professional gambler and he will tell you to stay away (fade) the hype and do your own research. Way better chance of winning!
February 11th, 2014 at 6:51 pm
I guess it is just unfortunate that Glennon did not get to play a playoff team that got there QB hurt during the game and had a record number of guys on IR, They were trying to figure out who was playing O-line on that team. And talking about Tighends playing O-Tackle
February 11th, 2014 at 7:11 pm
We did make it to and win the Super Bowl with a QB who was never in the top 5 QB in the league, why act like it never ever happens? SMH indeed.
February 11th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
No one threw the “Holy Water” on Mike Glennon. But smart fans aren’t letting half truths condemn a rookie QB to a permanent backup role after a season in which there were so many obstacles and negatives it would’ve been downright miraculous to overcome.
February 11th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
Our quickest path to success is getting the defense to an elite level. That’s going to take getting at the very least a good DE in free agency, but it likely means multiple picks in the draft (including a high pick, at least second round) to further improve the defense, particularly for depth. Most likely, that means trading down to get the picks we need.
We absolutely cannot afford to give up picks to move to a top position. It’s that simple. So unless Bridgewater or Manziel drop, the whole discussion seems academic to me. I’d take the risk, maybe, to draft either if available at 7 (or 5 or 6 if we could move up to those spots without giving up too much), even though the need may be greater for defense, but that’s it.
As for Glennon, I’d say it’s premature to write him off. He showed his own flashes and did a good job of not turning the ball over. Freeman, when he played decent (though he was never consistent, not even for full games) had a much better performing O-line, which has become a shocking liability. If that doesn’t get fixed, either by players returning to form or new players filling the gaps, we’re in trouble regardless of who the QB is.
We don’t need a great QB if we go the great defense route. Just a decent one who doesn’t kill us with mistakes. As I’ve heard around here more than a few times, a not-great QB got us to within a bad call of the Super Bowl. Even if we get Manziel in the draft, he will not take us to the Super Bowl next year. But a great defense might get us into the discussion, maybe even with a year or two of the game itself.
February 11th, 2014 at 7:43 pm
Think that makes Joe 2-19-1 on his Glennon hate campaign. I’ll take the opinion of a nationally recognized expert over Joe and his doomed agenda. And yes Joe, I do know what “agenda” means. I posted the Webster definition a few days back.
February 11th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
“Must Bucs fans set the bar so low?”
Joe when it comes to hiring a defensive minded coach like Lovie, yes set your bar low when it comes to the QB.
February 11th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
We shall see, Joe , we shall see.
Obviously, I think we should role the dice with Glennon next year and see what we’ve got.
I honestly believe your feeling of a “lack of mediocrity” at the QB position was built by the 61 starts, and failure of our ex QB.
You and 620 Big Darrell were wrong about Freeman, just as you are Glennon.
February 11th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
MG8 is working out a lot. He will look like Dakota during the OTA’s. No more sand kicked in his face!!
February 11th, 2014 at 7:59 pm
“Must Bucs fans set the bar so low?”
This is why pining for Vick makes no sense at all.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:00 pm
One thing to keep in mind, too, is that we can’t have a great offense and a great defense–salary cap makes that impossible, at least beyond a year or so. So why not focus on the defense and make sure we’re at least mid-tier as an offense? That just worked and has worked for us in the past.
In the end, if the organization thinks they need to go to another QB, then fine. But I won’t be screaming if they think they see enough in Glennon and stick with him another year. We still can get a free agent or draft a new QB if that doesn’t pan out, and I hope we can somehow secure a decent backup, whatever the decision, because QBs get injured plenty.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:00 pm
Joe for once in your articles, will you PLEASE explain to us fans how the Bucs plan on moving up in the draft o draft your a-hole QB? Or do you assume the a-hole will still be there at #7?
February 11th, 2014 at 8:03 pm
Also explain how he will walk in the door as the best QB in the division, please.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
The only way I’d like to see us take a qb in the first round is if it’s manziel or Bridgewater for some excitement. If not them then a DE. If we end up taking a second or third round QB I think I would rather see how Glennon pans out first going into his second year. If he’s not lighting it up by week two then pull the plug and bring in the new guy. I can see the two first round QB’s starting this year though. God this sucks having to wait this long for football.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Glennon just needs the right coaching, which he will have now, to flourish, just watch.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Glennon just needs the right coaching, which he will have now, to flourish, just watch.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
Joe, love the site and your passion, but I got a question for you that I’ve asked several times on here. Where’s this franchise top 5 QB at if Jonny goes number 1? Trade up to number 2 for Bortles, teddy?trade for an unproven backup like Cousins or Mallet? Sign one of the journeyman free agent qbs. I’m all for bringing in competition, but I don’t see a lot of promise behind any of those options.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:30 pm
Joe did say Dominic was a “rockstar ” though. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha
February 11th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
I’m not sure Lovie would take Manziel over Bridgewater. IF the current regime is set on bringing in a franchise QB I see them liking Teddy over Johnny. I think Bridgewater has more potential to become great in the NFL, and he seems more like a Lovie type of guy.
so IMO all this hypothetical talk of us making a trade up and mortgaging our future should be focused on Bridgewater, because he seems like the more logical fit for the current direction if this organization.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Fishfries…good luck with any and all of those questions.
Okay Joe…If the Redskins gave up what 3 or 4 1st round picks for RGIII what should the Bucs give up to make a move. Throw it out there Joe, or does none of that factor into your wants.
Even if I liked Manziel I don’t see how the Bucs can move up or trade 3 first round picks for him.
Believe me I too am tired of mediocrity at QB and offense in general.
Also I agree with Joe. Glennon did not do enough to impress me and Freeman did more in his rookie season working with less.
February 11th, 2014 at 8:48 pm
HEY WE NEED TO JUST INPROVE ON DEFENSE.. WE NEED A REALLY GOOD DE AND ANOTHER CB AND REALLY GOOD KICK RETURNER.. SPECIAL TEAMS HAVE TO BE BETTER.. AND THEN YES WE CAN WIN WITH GLENNON.. HOW ABOUT TWO DE ..WE NEED TO BE ACTIVE IN FREE AGENCY OH YEA ANOTHER RECIEVER SPEEDY ONE
February 11th, 2014 at 8:51 pm
I’d take Glennon over Newton and Ryan
February 11th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
If I was a Skins fan, I’d be extremely pissed off right now. My anger would only increase if RGIII continues to get hurt and I think he will.
But hey let’s trade the farm and move up to grab a running QB.
Let’s trade the 7th overall pick this year, our 2015 first rounder, our 2016 first rounder and our 2017 1st rounder to move up a couple of spots.
Sounds like lunacy to me. Welcome to JBF.
February 11th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
Best case scenario, Glennon would grow into a QB like Brad Johnson.
I know, I know, that’s not *such* a bad thing; Brad made the pro-bowl and such, but talk about a quick-twitch check-down QB … I liked him, but does anyone attribute the 2002 SuperBowl to Brad Johnson’s play? I doubt even *he* does.
Glennon could be good, but the moment is right for taking a shot at better-than-good.
February 11th, 2014 at 9:27 pm
Well im not a Glennon fan. Sometimes i do think Joe is a bit hard on him. But some of you guys act like Glennon was really great last year. Sure he had a couple decent games. But in most of the games he had a couple good drives. Usually in the first half. Then would do nothing for the rest of the game. Hell we barley beat the Loins after they turned the ball over 5 times. We beat the Bills. Glennon was 9-25 with 90 yards. We beat Miami and he was 11-21 with 139 yards. He never had a 300 yard passing game. 7 out of the 13 games he played he threw for under 300 yards. Look around the league and compare. Those are awful stats compared to the good….even average Qbs.
I did see some glimpses of him being a decent QB. But any Qb at this level should look decent at times. Maybe with some good coaches and a couple of the offensive starters back he will get even better. Im just scared of having a Qb who might win us 6-8 games a year. If that happens then we’re stuck in the cycle of just being average(like everyone bashed Freeman over). With little hope of getting anyone better through the draft.
February 11th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Let the beginning be the end. Lightningbuc puts it all together with the first post, Joe’s labeling of rock star for Dominik is pretty much the story.
February 11th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
@Scottybuc Says:
“…Give me Glennon and the #1 Defense everyday of the week… especially on Sunday!”
Although Seattle beat the Broncos handily, the Seahawks had a harder time against SF in the NFC Championship game. That game came down to the wire, and, it came down to a top 10 quarterback, Russell Wilson, providing a late game touchdown.
Sapp said Seattle’s D was better than the ’02 Bucs, yet it took a very good QB to win the NFC Championship game. In the playoffs, you don’t always need your QB to win the game, but the likelyhood is you will need your QB to win at least ONE of your playoff games on your way to the SB, or you will not get there. Glennon could end up being a good QB, but he will never be in the top 10
February 11th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
@Tim
Great post
February 11th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
Give joe a gun and put him in the same room with mg and the bucs will be drafting Jf.
February 11th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
60 posts later we’re back where we started and nobody has changed their views at all. Everyone has their canned comments and the opposition has its canned retorts for said comments. Good job getting your speaking points in folks. Let’s do it again tomorrow. And round and round we go. At least the combine is next week.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:03 pm
@Buc1987 Says:
“…Harry, Joe and Eric have told us the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over…and over.
Don’t you guys get tired of it all? Repeating the same shyte?
…..Well I’m done with this game, maybe some of you like repeating your stance daily, but the Freeman debates were enough for me.
From here on out, I’ll just read Joes Manziel articles SMH and move onto the next article. No need to read Harry, TBBF, Eric and the rest of you repeat the same crap.
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You said this yesterday. But here you are repeating your same tired “shyte”. Once more, your “shyte” doesn’t even contribute anything meaningful. Its really not very nice when you attack ppl for doing the same things that you do. I think they call the being a hypocrite.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
Hey Patrick in VA
Yeah, but its posts like this…
“…I’d take Glennon over Newton and Ryan.”
…that make us so nuts. I mean, REALLY?! LOL Barry, GO TAKE YOUR MEDS!!!
February 11th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
@Harry – he probably just said that because he thinks Ryan is black. It’s hard to determine a player’s skin tone when they’re wearing a uniform. Especially if you’re looking through a couple of holes cut in a bed sheet
February 11th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Quit crying Harry…the question was not directed at you, but once again….
February 11th, 2014 at 10:15 pm
and BTW the article was not about Manziel…and again quit crying.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Patrick in VA Says:
February 11th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
“60 posts later we’re back where we started and nobody has changed their views at all. Everyone has their canned comments and the opposition has its canned retorts for said comments. Good job getting your speaking points in folks. Let’s do it again tomorrow. And round and round we go. At least the combine is next week.”
And Patrick makes my point Harry. Round and round and round and round and round we go and Joe is the ringleader.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:18 pm
APPARENTLY SOMEBODY DIDN’T GET THE MEMO THAT ALL CAPS IS LIKE YELLING ON THE INTERNET.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
“That game came down to the wire, and, it came down to a top 10 quarterback, Russell Wilson, providing a late game touchdown.”
I saw a different game than you. I saw the DEFENSE tip a pass in the end zone and getting pick off. That was the clincher. Not Wilson.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
So one win against a playoff team makes Freeman’s rookie year better? A win against a Saints team had nothing to play for and was resting several starters?
Care to look up his career record against teams above .500 over five seasons?
I saw a lot of good things from Glennon. The way he went into Seattle and lit up that Seahawks defense was impressive. Sure they didn’t win, but you can put that one on Schiano and his failure to adjust at halftime.
He also had 10 interceptions less than Freeman is his rookie season. And that was in 13 starts versus Freeman’s 9 starts.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
@Patrick in VA Says:
“…he probably just said that because he thinks Ryan is black..”
Really? Barry doesn’t know Ryan is whiter than Glennon?
@Barry, its Brees who is part black, you can tell bc hes athletic…
February 11th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA someone in this thread just said they’d take glennon over newton and ryan.HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAH fools. Why are yall crowning glennon already. Sheesh I don’t even hate the kid but come the hell on. No gm coach or player in the league is taking him over cam and ryan. Unless your name is Schiano of course. Hell there’s probably 20 other qb’s I would take over glennon right now.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:29 pm
@Buc1987
Please don’t comment on my posts, and then say all I do is say the “…same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over…and over. Don’t you guys get tired of it all? Repeating the same shyte?”
You don’t offer anything positive to a conversation…
February 11th, 2014 at 10:31 pm
Orca, please stop yelling… lol
February 11th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
OK I’ll fess up to what happened. We (the Glennon Mob) all got together for our weekly secret meeting where we put on the pewter robes with #8 embroidered in red and watch Napolean Dynamite on VHS over at Mike’s place. We kidnapped Yasinskas outside the Mons Venus and forced him to drink the ‘Magic Mike’ kool aid thus explaining this outright crazy talk of Glennon actually having a shot of being a good QB in the NFL. Our pro-Glennon agenda is working, we’re infiltrating national sports media writers and brainwashing them much to the chagrin of Joe and the other Glennon bashers.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
I think I am pretty accurate in saying this, but do you realize ALL but 2 playoff quarterbacks were in the TOP 10 in ratings? The two that were not? Luck and Brady. Thus the importance of having more than a game manager, ala Glennon
February 11th, 2014 at 10:41 pm
@NY Buc
That was not only hilarious, but it explains a LOT!!! LOL
February 11th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
joe speaks the truth! the men in charge will look at film, not stats…lmao.
glennon has not shown anything, doesn’t deserve anything, has an inaccurate arm on the long and medium passes, is immobile, and where has he shown intelligence, that the mob members give him credit for?
we need a real qb. need one this draft. we can fill the other holes in free agency or in next year’s draft.
February 11th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
Joe Says:
February 11th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Brooks:
Joe doesn’t think Bridgewater gets past Houston. There’s your answer to lack of stories on Bridgewater from Joe.
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I hate to break it to you Joe but I have it on good authority (from a member of the Texans staff) that so far Houston likes Manziel more than Bridgewater.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:00 pm
@kh Says:
“…I hate to break it to you Joe but I have it on good authority (from a member of the Texans staff) that so far Houston likes Manziel more than Bridgewater.”
I agree that is a very good possibility. Wade Phillips said the same during his HC interview with the Texan owners
February 11th, 2014 at 11:02 pm
lmao at kh
good authority…the voice in your head is not god!
February 11th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
So let me understand when somebody offer have different opinion then joe it is poopycock hum that’s hilarious I mean funny
February 11th, 2014 at 11:06 pm
Further ‘inner circle’ secrets…the kidnapping was all because of that darn Kafka signing! As many astute Joebucsfans readers have probably speculated we Glennonites are fearful that ‘our guy’ will be beaten out this summer by the pride of Northwestern. Putting on my “Schiano gives Glennon two thumbs up” onesies now and going to bed…have a good night y’all.
February 11th, 2014 at 11:29 pm
So is the “Joe” posting comments, THE Joe? Or does THE Joe only reply to comments in italicized bold? (This is not a trick question, just curious)
Way too much time on your hands. 🙂 –Joe
February 12th, 2014 at 12:43 am
I’m curious how the present Mike Glennon is better than Rex Grossman? How exactly has he proven that? Wins? Completions?
Anyone?
February 12th, 2014 at 12:46 am
Ok, we can all relax about Johnny Football being a Buc. Not only is Joe usually wrong about the pick the Bucs make, the guy Joe “Bangs the drum for” or declares his man-crush for also turns into a bust (Morris Claiborne anyone?).
Rational football fans realize that next years QB class is going to be much more productive than this years. Frankly I don’t like Bridgewater or Manziel. At 7 or later I would consider Bortles and yes I would give a look to Garoppolo as well. Other than that I say stick with Glennon and draft finish the defense and get a speed WR. Then, if Glennon doesn’t show tha he can be the QB of the future this season GUESS WHAT?!?!?! We have more picks next year and will also have better QB’s to chose from.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:56 am
J 2.0, fans make the same claim every year. (that the next years crop will be better)
February 12th, 2014 at 1:15 am
@J 2.0 Says:
“…I say stick with Glennon and draft finish the defense and get a speed WR. Then, if Glennon doesn’t show tha he can be the QB of the future this season GUESS WHAT?!?!?! We have more picks next year and will also have better QB’s to chose from.”
Man J 2.0, you need to post more often. Where has this wisdom been? So, it seems to me, that by “finishing the defense and getting a speed WR” and having quality coaching with Lovie, the Bucs should finish no worse that 8-8. Right? I would guess, even if Glennon sucks, we finish 8-8. After all, Lovie said great D will get you 8 wins. And good special teams gets you another 2 wins. But lets not get too excited, lets stay at 8-8.
That puts you in the middle of the draft (and at best a wild card, if we make the playoffs at all). So, if Glennon sucks, how do you move up to the top 5 picks (as we find ourselves in ‘2014) and get this mythical QB you refer to? And, just why in hell would the team that has that draft pick to take him, give him up to the Bucs?
February 12th, 2014 at 1:18 am
Who else called for Lavonte David five months before the Bucs drafted him?
February 12th, 2014 at 1:49 am
@ Buccaneer Bonzai:
“I’m curious how the present Mike Glennon is better than Rex Grossman? How exactly has he proven that? Wins? Completions?”
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Certainly not more wins nor more completions than Rex Grossman.
But Rex played ELEVEN seasons, and only had ONE season where he threw as many as 19 TDs, and this did not happen until his 4th season in the league when he did have 23 tds but also threw 20 INT’s. Did I mention that ol’ Rex NEVER had a single season with a QB rating > 83.9, nor any season where his TD/INT ratio was greater than 2. He must be better than MG8, though Mike’s ROOKIE season seems better than any season that this former 1st rounder has produced.! Hopefully MG8 can be better in his 2nd year.
tickrdr
February 12th, 2014 at 2:07 am
Mike Glennon is already better than Rex Grossman. Grossman has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in his entire career…
February 12th, 2014 at 3:26 am
Oh man.. Hot Garbage spewing again from the MGM… Seriously can you just watch any of these QB’s without being biased and actually say Glennon is better or going to be better than…
P. Manning
A. Rodgers
T. Brady
D. Brees
R. Wilson
A. Luck
C. Newton
M. Ryan
C. Kaepernick
J. Cutler
P. Rivers
A. Smith
M. Stafford
T. Romo
R. Griffin III
E. Manning
Debatable
R. Tannehill
G. Smith
M. Vick (injuries only)
S. Bradford
C. Palmer
E. Manuel
Back Ups/Debatable still
M. Schaub
J. McCown
M. Cassel
J. Freeman
S. Hill
K. Orton
K. Cousins
R. Mallet
M. Moore
M. Sanchez
2014 Rookies
T. Bridgewater
J. Manziel
B. Bortles
D. Carr
J. Garoppolo
2015 Rookies
J. Winston
B. Hundley
M. Mariota
B. Petty
Man I just got more depressed as I kept typing. I can honestly make a case that other QB BACK UPS are better than Glennon… Ugh Go Bucs and draft someone shit this is just getting embarrassing…
February 12th, 2014 at 3:46 am
yes, because 13 games makes a career…well, hopefully it does in this case.
February 12th, 2014 at 4:10 am
The year the Bears made it to the Superbowl with Grossman he was being considered for league mvp after the first 4 games of the year. This was the point where the rest of the league found out that he could throw a wicked long ball but that was it.
Rex was moving the ball down the field late in the game and if he didnt throw the interception and instead scored they would have won that game.
Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. Ruminate over there a while. Trent Dilfer.
The thing I never understand is why people get so pissed off about Glennon when he has only played one year. How many Qb’s were great in their Rookie year? Same question, but in NFL history? Not many.
Is it beyond the scope of possibility that Glennon will actually improve in the second year?
February 12th, 2014 at 6:10 am
I’m glad you guys got this issue worked out last night….wait, you mean we still haven’t budged at all? Well, let’s break out the same arguments today and see if we have any better luck.
February 12th, 2014 at 8:15 am
You clowns realize that Joe posted nothing about Johnny Football but you all took it there. And you realize that Joe goes out of his way to present all kinds of positive opinions about Glennon, even when he doesn’t agree with them.
February 12th, 2014 at 8:42 am
One day, we should do a opposite day, and argue the other side all day long, Just to see if Joe notices.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:41 am
ahhh again with the Freeman showed more than Glennon his rookie year (totally ridiculous)
Bucs should draft Watkins, bring another offensive guard in FA and lets see how Glennon does. I’ll put money on it that he will move up the ladder in this so called QB ranking chart people have posted
February 12th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
@Buc1987
Joe for once in your articles, will you PLEASE explain to us fans how the Bucs plan on moving up in the draft o draft your a-hole QB? Or do you assume the a-hole will still be there at #7?
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Great post.
How about it Joe or anyone else?
Also 2 first round picks won’t cut it IMO..
February 12th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
Seattle proved the old adage once again that a good defense will stop a good offense any day of the week. To compete for the Lombardi trophy, all Lovie wants to complement his defense is a disciplined, well-coached QB who can manage the game plan. Whether it’s Glennon, Bortles, Carr, Garoppolo, McCarron, or even Smith, it doesn’t really matter to him.
And there is the rub, that will fester and turn into a sore spot with fans if the Bucs don’t win under Lovie right away. His defense-is-all-that-really-matters-philosphy will be questioned, his supposed disrespect for the QB position will be critiqued and some will call for him to eventually be fired too. Of course by then, the Bucs teams will have been a bridesmaid a few times, but never the bride. So the real question is, who will be the next Chucky to take Smith’s team to the altar?
February 12th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
joe, i know the old coaches have been fired but it doesn’t mean they never existed. i think the new coaching staff appreciates that what they saw on tape were marionettes moving only when coaches allowed it by pulling the right string. the guys who left town almost universally proved that the coaches in tampa were not getting the best out of the players due to philosophy and scheme. if the last coaching staff decided VJax should exclusively return kicks, the fact that he had 0 catches wouldn’t make him a bad WR, just a misused one. similarly, it’s hard to blame DEs who were standing up pre-snap or stunting all day for not making plays a DE should make, and it makes no sense to blame a QB for being conservative and awkard whilst doing exactly what the coaches he owes his livelihood to demand of him.
re: glennon, i think it’s more appropriate to look at superbowl winners like brad johnson and vastly overpaid joe flacco. i think glennon can play mistake free and pick his spots for big plays using his intelligence…the kid seems to have a sharp football mind and seems very coachable. his physical skill set is good enough, the QBs who survive and thrive in this league are the ones that raise their mental game year over year and never let up on the work ethic front. that is why drew brees’ career ultimately eclipsed the phenom picked 1 round earlier, and why peyton manning was always the better pick than the cannon-armed ryan leaf
February 12th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
ummm, lovie has a history of sucking against teams over .500. and that was with a great defense and a better qb than glennon.
February 12th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
“Joe doesn’t think Bridgewater gets past Houston. There’s your answer to lack of stories on Bridgewater from Joe.”
So, why hasn’t this stopped you from writing 10 stories a week on Manziel? There’s no way he will be there when we pick.
February 13th, 2014 at 12:07 pm
Joe, did you even watch the superbowl? Did you see what a good defense can do to a top rated QB? All this focus on Glennon is ridiculous. First of all you nor anyone else has any idea how good or how bad this kid is going to be. He had a pretty impressive rookie campaign. He did it with very few weapons. He showed the ability to make some really good throws and he made his fair share of mistakes just like any rookie. You act like that was his ceiling. This kid has a lot of potential. He had arguably the worst coaching staff in football and still outperformed every other rookie QB last year. Let’s see what he can do with some supporting cast, good coaching, a better O-line, and a defense that will keep him in the game. Will he ever be a Russell Wilson? Of course not but neither will anyone else. I’ve never seen a QB throw as accurately as Wilson does when on the run in either direction. It’s amazing. No, Glennon will be a pure pocket passer that hopefully will continue to improve and become more like Matt Ryan but Matt Ryan should show you that without a good O-line to protect you and a defense to keep you in the game it doesn’t really matter if you are a ‘franchise QB’. It’s a team sport.