Jerry Angelo: Glennon Is 28th Best QB
February 12th, 2014
“You may not be familiar with that animal; it’s called a second-half touchdown.”
Joe consistently brings you varying assessments of Mike Glennon. Why? Because Glennon’s starting job is not secure — and he plays the most important position on the football field.
Rich Gannon says Glennon is “the right guy.” Warren Sapp says he’s in over his head. Gil Brandt calls Glennon “interesting.” Amani Toomer is referencing farm animals.
Joe could go on.
But now there’s yet another NFL insider type weighing in on Glennon. Former Bucs personnel man and Bears general manager (and Lovie Smith colleague) Jerry Angelo has ranked every quarterback in the NFL for TheSidelineReview.com.
The good news for the Mike Glennon Mob is that Glennon rates higher than Michael Vick and leaky, sleep Josh Freeman.
The bad news is Glennon ranked 28th in the league, right behind Jake Locker and Ryan Tannehill.
Angelo put Glennon in a group of QBs that can “compete with a good supporting cast and quality coaching, but lacks something, i.e., arm talent (strength or accuracy), poise, instincts.” Per Angelo, Glennon is “not good enough. To win with him 2 of the 3 of the phases have to dominate or surround him with high caliber players.”
“He showed good poise and good arm strength. Can see over the rush and can get the ball down field. Those are the pluses,” Angelo wrote of Glennon. “The negatives are he’s to slow and immobile. Will hold onto the ball long after his internal clock should have gone off and struggles to extend a play once it breaks down. His accuracy is average and struggles in the intermediate area of the field.”
Now Angelo’s scouting of Glennon is slightly more interesting than others’ because of his relationship with Lovie. He hired Lovie and they worked together for many years. Both were unemployed last year and a friend of Lovie and Angelo, longtime scout and NationalFootballPost.com writer Greg Gabriel, was publicly lobbying for each man to land in Tampa.
Joe wonders if Angelo and Lovie spent time assessing Glennon last year.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:12 am
The negatives are he’s to slow and immobile. Will hold onto the ball long after his internal clock should have gone off and struggles to extend a play once it breaks down. His accuracy is average and struggles in the intermediate area of the field.”
he was all about the intermediate area of the field.
considering the jail breaks coming at him I could see how he would have plenty of tape on plays breaking down.
another expert with no in depth knowledge of the subject.
C’mon Joe. 25th best, 28th best. You shooting for 32nd or that he should be driving a coors light truck?
February 12th, 2014 at 11:13 am
What needs to be mentioned is the future growth of Glennon, it was his rookie year. No other rookie had a better rating than Glennon, but still not a good rating. Freeman never learning or improved under Schiano and honestly I do not know anyone in the offense side that did improve. Glennon had Tedford this year and hopefully we can be coached up.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:17 am
the article says 26th
If you count the names in the descriptions, Glennon is 28th. They missed a couple guys in the numerical list. –Joe
February 12th, 2014 at 11:19 am
28th sounds high.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:19 am
I will say, just like the Bucs the past 5 years. No where to go but up.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:22 am
And where is Jerry Angelo now?
February 12th, 2014 at 11:23 am
Glennon held onto the ball too long because he had to wait for his slow receivers to get downfield on those long pass patterns in that horrible offense. I’m not a huge Glennon fan but I’m going to withhold judgment on him until I see him in Tedford’s much better offense with hopefully much better receivers
February 12th, 2014 at 11:26 am
It’s nearly impossible to determine how good or bad Glennon will be moving forward. Everyone looks at the same film of a rookie QB in a subpar offense. Realistically, it’s not enough information to base a decision on. Glennon protected the football and showed some promising things for the most part. It’s not enough to anoint him the unquestioned starter and it’s not enough to hand him the clipboard. Bring in solid competition and let it play out.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:32 am
Is this website becoming Joeunemployedfiredgm.com?
February 12th, 2014 at 11:32 am
One thing I think Glennon supporters need to keep in mind is past results are not an indication of future returns. Glennon could get better, or he could get worse – it’s all just wishful thinking by everyone at this point. I say make him gut it out in TC with a vet AND a highly drafted rookie. If he’s not the guy then you try to move him for a draft pick.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:35 am
Joe I think we should take a QB if available, but we need a speed demon receiver that holds on to the ball more if there is one available.
The key question is how would Payton or Wilson or the 49s QB ( I can’t spell his name) have done with our offense, both the players and schemes?
February 12th, 2014 at 11:38 am
Steve Young was not Steve Young when he was with the Bucs. He went to San Francisco where he got proper coaching and a functional team around him and now he’s a hall of famer. I’m not saying that Glennon is Steve Young but some players just need a better system to flourish. Look at Favre when he got to Green Bay. Look at Brady when he made the transition to the pro game and met a coach that worked well with what he did. Nobody was thinking Brady would be anyone worth mentioning but he got proper coaching and now look. More recently, look at Nick Foles when he found a system that fits him. Look at Matt Schaub when he was doing so well with Houston for years after being a second stringer in Atlanta for a while. Some players need the right scheme and every player needs other quality players around them.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:40 am
Angelo left out Orton in the second list on the bottom, plus some other player. That’s why Glennon is listed 28th in the first list and 26th in the second.
Orton is forgettable 🙂
February 12th, 2014 at 11:44 am
what’s he know about Qbs? he could never draft one!
February 12th, 2014 at 11:46 am
jerry angelo ranking Qb’s would be equal if the ” rockstar ” ranked all the Defensive Ends in the league.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:48 am
Angelo is not too far from the truth. ESPN’s Ron Jaworski in his QB ratings had nearly same deficiencies for Glennon. Bucs have many needs this year, including LB, OL, WR, and I don’t think drafting a QB in the first round is the way to go. Cardinals were smart to pick up Palmer. Should the Bucs do the same with Matt Shaub – who has been a lot better than what he showed this year.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:48 am
So I guess the Bucs should miraculously get a top5 QB this year.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:51 am
Doesn’t matter if the writers for this site and every single analyst thinks Glennon sucks, or if they all think he’s good.
It’s what Smith and Tedford think that matters. The rest is hubris.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:51 am
And many a Bears fan would rank Angelo 28th among GMs to want in your draft room.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:53 am
@The_Buc_Realist……
That may be the most accurate statement I have ever read on this forum! I literally just laughed out loud in the airport! Thanks man, I needed that!!
February 12th, 2014 at 11:53 am
@ODB – I don’t think that word means what you think it means
February 12th, 2014 at 11:54 am
Yet another Glennon opinion…..the only ones that matter are his new coaches.
I suspect that they will get some competion for him….I’ve looked at the list of FAs & I’m not too impressed….perhaps a good prospet will fall to us at 7 or we will find one later in the draft…..
February 12th, 2014 at 11:55 am
@OB
I’m sorry man, haven’t you been paying attention? According to Joe, when it’s convenient, says QBs don’t need a supporting cast to succeed. We both are intelligent enough to know that if Payton, Wilson, or Kap etc… had been in our offense that they would not had fared any better, period! When Joe is trying to defend a QB he has endorsed, he’ll use the argument of supporting cast. i.e. Matty Ice last year, Drew Brees year before. They conveniently wear blinders whenever it supports their argument.
That’s really not accurate. Joe can’t be typing up every side of every issue supporting every counter point in every post. Nobody wants to read that kind of endless droning. Joe makes sure his positions are clear. –Joe
February 12th, 2014 at 11:58 am
Our offensive scheme was pretty terrible though, I saw teams crushing with screen plays all the time and we never did any(at least not successfully.) I’m sure Glennon can only do better with a new offensive coordinator. I strongly agree we need to bring in competition at QB though.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
It astounds me how many of you continue to make excuses for MG8. Really, its crazy.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
Sounds a lot like the scouting reports on Brad Johnson. Time will tell what the new team intends to do with the position.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Harry,
Drew Brees was benched as a starter in favor of the immortal Doug Flutie in his THIRD season in the NFL. Not his rookie season, not even his second season, but his 3rd! Yet so many of you, Joe included, are absolutely positive Glennon will never be any good. You guys should buy lottery tickets cuz apparently you can see the future.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Harry ….you’re fired!!
I looked into my crystal ball and your Johnny Football shaped head (reminds me of Stewie) sucks and his game never translated to the NFL. He was relegated to backup on another team and the Bucs have never recovered from giving up the farm and are mired in another streak of double digit losses, even though they had the #1 pick for 3 consecutive years. By the way the Rams have won 3 straight Super Bowls.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
I’m not defending Glennon, but when was the last time the Bears actually drafted a really good QB?
February 12th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
Another thing, …..I’m not being humorous…
February 12th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
Maybe I wasn’t clear in my post, I am not a member of the glennon mob! I just feel Sullivan has similar football IQ to tim tebow. Honestly, I want to move up and draft Johnny Football – the most electrifying player in this draft.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
I mostly agree with Angelo and other insiders on Glennon…except one thing… I just don’t see the arm strength. I’ve heard about it plenty, never seen it.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
I think after being defensive minded in the draft, we can go after a better QB. I like Glennon, but the Bucs ship is so off course it needs a big turn of the wheel.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Take off your blinders Brandon. Even Joe said Glennon was making all the same throws Freeman was in camp last year with accuracy.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:29 pm
Steve Duemig and Joe in a horse drawn cart in the middle of the night with torches burning heading to Glennon’s house to burn a cross on his front lawn.
Rather ludicrous. Joe likes Glennon a lot — as a backup. –Joe
February 12th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
Angelo seems to be one of the few guys who did his homework before commenting on Glennon. That is the reason I too do not have much confidence in Glennon as a franchise QB. These are the days when plays breakdown consistently and a QB has to be sharp enough to do something in those couple of seconds before the defenders get to him. Glennon seems rattled all to easily with a little pressure and that to me is a major flaw.
@ROBERT6: You have no idea what you are talking about. You are way off son.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Bottom line the top ranked teams have the top ranked QB’s. It’s not rocket science. If you want to get to the playoffs in today’s game you need a top ranked QB. Not the 28th guy. You could even make a case that Russell Wilson should have gotten the MVP award. He didn’t put up crazy numbers in the game but he scored and did not turn the ball over. If we want to win we need a QB that teams have to account for.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:33 pm
So will this website shut down if the Bucs pass on Johnny Gabbert in the draft? Because I’m convinced now that “Joe” will be suicidal if the love of his life ends up in some other city.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Oh how I loathe off season reporting. It is always all over the place.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:38 pm
“Because I’m convinced now that “Joe” will be suicidal if the love of his life ends up in some other city.”
Number 41…I’m convinced that will happen if Glennon is the starter on opening day.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
Number 41,
Johnny’s last name is Gabbert? I thought it was Tebow?
February 12th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Typical JBF poster : “We need a new good QB badly.”
Most of them never tell you how that’s going to happen. They just state the obvious and move on. It’s give me and get me, with no clue as to how it’s going to happen.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
ROBERT6 Says:
“C’mon Joe. 25th best, 28th best. You shooting for 32nd or that he should be driving a coors light truck?”
I think the point Joe is trying to make is that there are just too many question marks with Glennon to just sit on him and “hope” he turns out good.
In my personal opinion Joe is 100% correct in this assessment. Glennon “might” turn out great, but we do not know that. He could also turn out a total bust.
And while there are no guaranties with a drafted of signed QB either, the more valid options we have, the greater the chances of finding a quality starter.
Even the Seahawks had a good QB scoring points in the Superbowl. Elite? Not yet. But a good one. And hte truth is Glennon has not proven ANYTHING yet. So we keep as many options as possible.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
Someone new will find this site in June or so. Then go back and read some archives and say to themselves. Why the hell did all these fans possibly think the Bucs had a shot at Manziel?
It should be a good read to go back after the draft and read these comments.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
Drew Brees, Steve Young, Farve, etc. Yeah, they all were questioned at one point and given up on, I get it. I am sorry, but this is just another form of an excuse. These are exceptions, rare exceptions. They do not apply.
Look, I watched all of Glennon’s games last year, rooted for him, etc. But I so, so rarely saw that glimpse of potential where he showed greatness. I saw it in Payton’s and Eli’s rookie years; I remembering being ‘wowed’, then they would do something rookie like to remind you where they are.
I NEVER saw that in Glennon. Don’t you think I would rather be in here arguing over us moving up to take Clowney over hoping Watkins falls to us? I just don’t see what you all see in Glennon. And apparently, nor does anyone who would be considered an nfl evaluator who has diligently looked at MG8
February 12th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
In other news Mike Glennon 29th best starting QB
In other news Mike Glennon 30th best starting QB
In other news Mike Glennon 31th best starting QB
In other news Mike Glennon 32th best starting QB
Ok lets look at other positions and needs
February 12th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
Bonzai…you are familiar with Robert right? I think he’s the same robert (no capital letter) that wanted Glennon to start over Freeman in week 1. So he was already a big Glennon fan before the season.
Hell you might be addressing thee very leader of the MGM. Good luck with that. lol
February 12th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
Mr. Patrick Says
“Glennon held onto the ball too long because he had to wait for his slow receivers to get down field on those long pass patterns in that horrible offense.”
Not intending to personally attack you, but I would like to address this myth, as I’ve seen it mentioned a few times.
A good QB doesn’t always have to go deep to have a solid offense. Short to medium range can work just fine 90% of the time.
And Mike Glennon had many opportunities for deep passes without waiting any longer than other QBs. He was just way off on his delivery most of the time.
Speed means little if the ball cannot get where it is supposed to go, and if the speedy WR cannot catch it.
MeShawn Johnson was not speedy, yet he helped us to a superbowl. Ike Hilliard was not speedy, yet he was one of the best middle WRs for the Bucs in recent years.
Joey J. was not speedy, but he got the job done.
Blaming a lack of speed is an excuse, not a reason.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
The truth is, we currently do not have the oline for a pocket passing immobile QB. We need a QB that can buy time with his legs, or we need a new Oline.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
“Someone new will find this site in June or so. Then go back and read some archives and say to themselves. Why the hell did all these fans possibly think the Bucs had a shot at Manziel?
It should be a good read to go back after the draft and read these comments.”
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And someone will look back in June of 2016 or 2017 and laugh really hard at the thought that ANYONE bought into the hype surrounding Johnny “200lbs soaking wet” Gabbert.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
Honestly? Mike Glennon seems like a Chris Simms clone to me. Chris was VERY similar before his injury.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
“The truth is, we currently do not have the oline for a pocket passing immobile QB. We need a QB that can buy time with his legs, or we need a new Oline.”
There ya go Bonzai. That’s why I keep saying fix the lines first. Also I don’t like scrambling QB’s as well. Draft O-line or D-line first.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
Bonzai…one could say Simms was better than Glennon/
February 12th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
“I think the point Joe is trying to make is that there are just too many question marks with Glennon to just sit on him and “hope” he turns out good.”
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And there aren’t gigantic question marks surrounding every QB in the draft? Especially those not named Teddy Bridgewater?
There is no Anderw Luck in this draft. The guy “Joe” is pining for is a freelancer who takes too much contact and relies on pure athletic plays (that may or may not work against NFL-level defenders) to generate his fireworks.
I get that Glennon hasn’t proven anything, but if he’s proven nothing then these rookies have proven LESS than nothing.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
“And someone will look back in June of 2016 or 2017 and laugh really hard at the thought that ANYONE bought into the hype surrounding Johnny “200lbs soaking wet” Gabbert.”
True, true. I think he might be a bust as well. I guess it’s wait and see.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Number 41 <~~~this guy right here makes a lot of sense.
February 12th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
“Honestly? Mike Glennon seems like a Chris Simms clone to me. Chris was VERY similar before his injury.”
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Chris had a full year of coaching from John Gruden under his belt before he took over as a starter.
Glennon had half a year under the morons employed by Schiano & Co.
And Glennon STILL posted a better TD-INT rate.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
QB’s that started at least one game for the bears under Angelo’s watch…
Jim Miller, Shane Matthews, Chris Chnadler , Henry Burris, Kordell Stewart , Craig Krenzel , CHad HUtchinson, Jonathin Quinn, Rex Grossman, Brian Griese , Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler , Todd Collins , Caleb Hanie, Josh McCown.
So tell me again why we care about his opinion on this topic?
February 12th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
“I saw it in Payton’s and Eli’s rookie years”
Harry,
You do realize that Glennon won the same amount of games in his rookie season as Peyton and Eli COMBINED in their rookie seasons? I’m not saying Glennon is going to be as good, or even close to those two, so don’t insinuate that. Just saying most QBs don’t have great rookie years.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Changing the subject. Greg Schiano gets the Browns front office fired just by interviewing. LOL! the guy is a walking death sentence.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
“Glennon had half a year under the morons employed by Schiano & Co.”
That’s the only reason why I give Glennon the benefit of the doubt. I think he performed just okay in a shi**y system. I’m not exactly a mob member, but I give him a pass, because I was bitching about the playcalling all season long, more than I was bitching about Glennon. That includes preseason as well.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:13 pm
@Harry …you said
And apparently, nor does anyone who would be considered an nfl evaluator who has diligently looked at MG8
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Now that’s BS
You mean every top notch evaluator that Joe has droned up for us. Do yourself a favor. Do some research. There are more top notch evaluators that have more favorable positions on Glennon than Joes cherry-picked, prove his point, Johnny Football campaign.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
In other words Glennon was better than Dilfer. (a first rounder)
February 12th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
You get accused of being a “Mike Glennon Mob” member for suggesting:
1. Glennon’s success is in spite of the awful coaching he received.
2. Just watching “All-22” film of games is meaningless if you don’t know what Glennon was being told to do with the football — for all anyone knows, he was instructed to eat the football or check down unless he got a certain look from the defense.
3. Trading draft picks to draft a non-home run player is suicide for a franchise in the long run.
4. Not pretending that success of potential draft picks in college will immediately translate over to the NFL.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
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February 12th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
@lightningbuc Says:
“…I’m not saying Glennon is going to be as good, or even close to those two, so don’t insinuate that. Just saying most QBs don’t have great rookie years.”
Glad you said that, I was about to pounce on it, only bc some members of the MGM do say it. So, anyway…. Sooooooo many of the MGM members quote absolutely meaningless stats, that don’t have anything to do with what Glennon is about. You can ALWAYS find stats to support your argument.
My point is, whenever you watch one of the greats in their rookie season, you at least see glimpses of greatness. The question then is, are they going to iron out the problems in their game, right? The problem with Glennon is I don’t see the “glimpses of greatness”, and I never hear anyone in here point them out; they always use stats to make their arguments (and of course excuses like, bad coaching, bad schemes, bad O-line). It just freaking WEAK.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
I don’t do Mike Glennon debates, but as for as the Angelo analysis of NFL QBs there is a distinction without a lot of difference. Overall, Angelo ranked Glennon 26th among starting QBs from the 2013 season (32), and 28th among all QBs (61). My analytical brain tells me that that are at least 2 QBs that are not starting, Angelo ranks higher than Glennon!
February 12th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
@SpanishBuc Says:
“…Greg Schiano gets the Browns front office fired just by interviewing. LOL! the guy is a walking death sentence…”
Seems appropriate to me, lol
February 12th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
*that there
February 12th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
Greg Schiano will one day be one of the best coaches in the NFL. Mark my words. He made his mistakes here, but we all learn and grow from our mistakes.
He can evaluate talent with the best, and that will help him succeed.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
Number 41..plus I still think the percentage of fans that truly back Glennon and Glennon only (MGM) is about 3-5%. So essentially the MGM is a small bunch.
I just don’t see why they matter all that much or why we all keep referencing this small minority as if the do matter.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
LOL @ 87
yes 87 and Bonzai, I was the guy who wanted MG over free from day one last year. mostly because it was evident free had checked out or just lost it.
I was also the guy who said Nicks would not play more than two games.
I also said MG would get us to the playoffs. I got 2 out of 3 🙂
he had 3 wins and 9 losses, and 6 of those teams were in the playoffs and the team was a train wreck.
I won’t hang on his strap like many freemanites or manziel lovers though. If there is someone better I am all for it. I just don’t want to mortgage the future for a chance a QB might be good. Long term I think we should build depth this year, get a sick defense, maybe scratch the playoffs based on D and SP and a game manager. then we will know if it is the QB who is holding us back.
last year we were held back more by drama, coaching, schemes…a lot more than just MG
February 12th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
Steve Duemig and Joe are the new tag team for trying to get Glennon benched or in Duemigs case out of town. some one thinks with Schinao gone he has a lot of power over the Bucs. Let Lovey pick his own players ! like Glennon a lot my as$!
B
February 12th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
His accuracy is average?? a load of crap, I’d take Glennon over Tannehill and Locker
February 12th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai Says:
“…Greg Schiano will one day be one of the best coaches in the NFL. Mark my words. He made his mistakes here, but we all learn and grow from our mistakes…”
I can’t agree with you on that Bonzai. Just for the reason you said. I think Schiano was stubborn and did NOT learn from his mistakes (i.e.: D-line stunts, calling off the 2 min offense that was working, bc they ‘don’t practice it enough’, etc)
I do agree with you that he is a good evaluator, maybe an even better teacher, too. But too set in his ways to be a NFL HC, IMO
February 12th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
“…I’d take Glennon over Tannehill and Locker…”
Really? Tannehill had a pretty darn good year; almost made it to the playoffs. And he had NO O-line at all (point to MGMers). I would not agree with that at all.
Locker is hurt all the time, can’t argue there.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
Do these people even watch the games? Glennon is anything but immobile and excels in intermediate throws. I agree, Glennon can wait some times too long in the pocket but that is because he had VJAX and no #2 or #3 WR. Underwood is fast and can burn on the deep routes but his route running isnt quality.
How are these “analysts” even getting paid???? Watch a game before you critique.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
we fix the o line with new blood. Nicks should be made an example of. cut him whatever the cost.
that is unless he is all up in the coaches faces to get back on the field. he got his payday and checked out.
Penn we almost need to keep, but his replacement should be on the team this year.
I honestly think decent play calling would make ALL, and I say ALL the difference. When they know the play it’s hard to beat the other team, I don’t care how good you are. just ask manning. LOL I seriously think some kid playing madden could have called better that sully last year. do what they least expect (Sean Payton) and then after they have run around whiffing you can impose your will. but don’t expect to impose your will on play one, cause the teams are just to evenly matched, and the playcalling and scheme is the deciding factor. and if the QB is given the liberty to audible at will that makes all the difference, which I do not think MG had. /rant
February 12th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Robert…I’m all for letting Lovie and the GM concentrate squarely on the D for now. Yes I know the offense sucks, but so did Dungy’s. The D is not that far away from becoming a very good D. I was at the Saints game. I saw them shut down the Saints for 58 minutes. They are not that far off from becoming very good. That being said let Lovie finish the puzzle on D and then work on the O next season. I’m not worried about winning right now. The house can’t be completed without a foundation first.
February 12th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
I haven’t been back in days…so I stop by and what do I see? Yet another piece taking a shot at Glennon…SHOCKED FACE
Apparently Duemig makes great koolaid to drink while you are on his show…
February 12th, 2014 at 2:14 pm
@Bonzai
Can’t agree with you over Schiano…
He hit and missed on evaluation I.E. Bennett.
His x & O’s are sub-par on both offense and defense.
He does not know how to handle NFL players, and personalities.
In the NFL you can’t be a control freak, you have to be able to delegate responsibilities.
February 12th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
We can improve the D and get a good QB.
Like the good teams do.
San Fran an example. Had Smith. Wasn’t good enough, got Kaepernick. Traded up to do so.
February 12th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
^^^^ winner winner chicken dinner
February 12th, 2014 at 2:40 pm
Schiano is #98 on a list of 32 qualified NFL Head Coaches!
February 12th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Glennon needs to improve on every area that Angelo listed that is for sure. But I mean come on, he was a 3rd round draft pick, best rookie QB in NFL, out of a poor class for sure. But I think he showed quit a bit of promise and can build on his rookie year, hopefully.
February 12th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
I’m sure Tedford and Smith are scouring over analyst QB power rankings.
February 12th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Actually Joe…. When somebody is high on Glennon, you tend to skip what they said. Don’t act like you’re not trying trying to rub a bear the wrong way
February 12th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
Funny thing is….. I’m not all MG8! I just think its sad that the Joes have to throw him under the bus at every chance. For what? Johnny Football? Clown pick!
February 12th, 2014 at 3:17 pm
And I never got an answer to why we have the worst QB in the division. Looked like Matty Ice sucked without his weapons. Just saying……. Does he get an excuse Joe?
February 12th, 2014 at 3:41 pm
@MGM
Hot garbage just spewing out of the mouths of these kids again…
Seriously don’t understand why you guys come on here and complain on every article how you are going to come to this website less and less and not comment on JF articles or articles that don’t do Glennon any favors..
You act like your comments are going to change Joe’s mind or fellow people who think Glennon is going to be a good backup QB(Should be allowed to compete for starting QB next year).. But yet I still see the whole Mob saying Glennon is great and Joe just trashes him all the time and hates him and so does Duemig.. His TD INT ratio was soooooo great as was his great QB rating he set awesome rookie QB records blah blah blah.. Lets neglect his sub 47 TOTAL QBR rating and his 40 some odd sacks along with his no balls attitude and take a shot down the field for once.. And his willingness to throw a damn ball away on 4TH DOWN when we needed a score to WIN the game.. Oh but he didn’t have anyone to throw to… Ya either did GENO SMITH who actually had LESS TALENT than us and they still won more games than us!
Go comment on Bucsnation or some other blog that isn’t so against wanting more than MEDIOCRITY at QB. You can make as many fan posts as you want over there.
Seriously go outside mouth breathers.
February 12th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
Nick Saban doesn’t think Johnny Football is a clown.
February 12th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
This guy is one of the greatest competitors in all the years I’ve coached, 40 years of coaching, that I’ve had the opportunity to play against,” Saban said. “This guy does a fantastic job.”
Nick Saban on Johnny Manz
February 12th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
Angelo…yeah, there is a guy that wouldn’t know a good player if it bit him on the bum.
February 12th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
At least we all root for the same team.
February 12th, 2014 at 6:27 pm
“But yet I still see the whole Mob saying Glennon is great”
Phillip…I have yet to see that.
February 12th, 2014 at 6:41 pm
“His accuracy is average and he struggles in the intermediate area of the field.” Which games were those??? Glennon’s passes had zip, were accurate and on the money. He was no Cam Newton but more mobile than most thought he could be. I agree he tends to hold onto the ball too much and can freeze at times….but when Doug Martin, Mike James…two running backs that the coaches NEVER game planned to throw to, and Mike Williams ALL get taken out for the season, a duct taped offensive line, and Vincent Jackson dropping more balls than probably any receiver in the league or in his entire career…I think a lot of QB’s would have a few FREEZE moments in there. I also think those are simple things Tedford can fix on a second year starter.
Does anyone out there think if we went into this season with our two rbi’s, Williams, Jackson and Watkins at receiver Glennon would not win Games??? Oh then add Lovies D with all our studs??? Either way Bucs are gonna be a HARD team to play from here on out and I’m fired up!!!
February 12th, 2014 at 6:41 pm
@SAMCRO Says:
“…Now that’s BS
You mean every top notch evaluator that Joe has droned up for us. Do yourself a favor. Do some research…”
Sorry SAMCRO, I missed this. I read every website that covers the Bucs. First, not that many ppl have made an in-depth look at MG8. But outside of casual references by sports writers, I have not read great reviews. If you have seen in-depth reviews that were favorable, please forward them to me.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Glennon. I just don’t think his ceiling is very high. I think Freemans was much higher, but he was very weak mentally. I think MG8 is stronger mentally, but he is not as talented.
February 12th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
this coming from the same guy that gave a 2nd round pick for gaines adams and got gabe carimi in the 1st round in the bears. i just thank god lovie was smart enough he didnt bring him down to tampa
February 12th, 2014 at 7:11 pm
Joe, I know you are not sold on Glennon, but why are you so sold on Johnny F when Glennon had a good year. Granted it wasn’t wonderful, but that was the Schiano way.
The past two years, Schiano teams started slow, got hot, ended rough. Same can be said about the offense this year no matter who was QB. Then you take into fact that Martin, Williams, James, and Nicks were hurt for most of the year and Glennon really looked pretty darn good.
Sure he isn’t mobile, but when it is needed Glennon can move. He has what I like to call game quickness. You tell him to run the 40 it will be slow, you tell him to get to the 40 in a game he looks a lot quicker.
Im not sold on anyone in this QB class this year outside of maybe a project like Galipsaos whatever. I do not care about Johnny F size or arm strength, I care about his maturity. Bridgewater is eh, The UCF kid is still a UCF guy, and everyone else is just a “damn, I wish it was the 2015 draft with the likes of Winston, Petty, Mariota, Hundley”potentially
Focus on getting the missing links outside of QB this year, i.e 3rd wideout, repair the O-Line, defensive rush, 3rd CB, replace the Punter, Lock-up McCoy.
Give Glennon a shot this year with a healthy supporting cast, see what he does. The worst that can happen might be what some of us would be fine with. We fail horribly, the team looks good at times, but a QB is what we need…… and look we have a top pick and Winston and Mariota sitting right there.
February 12th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
@Joe…Hey Joe, we know how you like to show us what folks around the league think about MG8…here are some comments today about what noted NFL analyst Greg Cossell thinks about the object of your man crush…Johnny Football.
Among other things (good and bad) Cossell said:
““As you evaluate and transition him . . . there’s a wide variation in his play, so there’s a consistency issue,” said Cosell, the executive producer of “NFL Matchup” and a senior producer at NFL Films. “You have to decide how you want to deal with that issue. There’s a lot to like, but there’s also some that’s concerning, so how do you deal with that?”
And…
“…losses to LSU and Missouri — were notable in how poorly the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner played. If those were the first two games you put on and watched, you’d say he’s almost undraftable,” Cosell said. “He was so bad in those two games that you’d struggle to figure out, ‘Can I even draft this guy?’”
And…
“The other thing I say about Manziel is he’s much more of a see-it-throw-it quarterback than an anticipation thrower. He’s not really a timing/anticipation thrower on film. So you have to figure out the pros and the cons and where you stand on those pros and cons.”
And…
“Cosell said that based on his study, Central Florida quarterback Blake Bortles was the passer he liked most at this time.
However, Cosell also noted that none of the draft-eligible quarterbacks were of the caliber of a recent standout.
“When you talk about quarterbacks being high picks, there’s no Andrew Luck in this draft,” Cosell said of the No. 1 overall pick of the 2012 draft by Indianapolis. “There’s no one who would even be in the same conversation.”
Just wanted to post this in the interests of keeping things fair and balanced!
February 12th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
Glennon sucks, Manziel sucks, available FA QB’s suck. Oh My! Yada Yada Yada. I still think Glennon is the 2014 starter.
February 12th, 2014 at 7:31 pm
“When you talk about quarterbacks being high picks, there’s no Andrew Luck in this draft,” Cosell said of the No. 1 overall pick of the 2012 draft by Indianapolis. “There’s no one who would even be in the same conversation.”
Thank you Jeagan and Cosell for stating what I’ve been saying for a month now. No one there worth trading the farm for and move up. I wish there was a QB worth trading picks for, I really do. I just don’t see one.
“Glennon sucks, Manziel sucks, available FA QB’s suck. Oh My! Yada Yada Yada. I still think Glennon is the 2014 starter.”
Bucfan#37 lol…That about sums it up right there man. I might have to steal that from you and save it for later.
February 12th, 2014 at 7:33 pm
Keep fighting the good fight Buc1987, but it is very hard to talk sense to the senseless!
February 12th, 2014 at 7:42 pm
I said it before if Glennon was black and he won NFL rookie QB of the year and set team/NFL rookie records noway would Joe and Duemig and others in local media be trying to railroad him.
This has to be the most ridiculous thing Joe’s read in years. –Joe
February 12th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
Hey a couple other guys here besides me actually think Schiano can actually be a really good NFL coach if given another chance. Anyway back on topic kind of no denying that Schiano was above average as a NFL talent evaluator (Rock star wiffed on a good many picks pre-Schiano, but when the two of them got together they did what they each did well…Schiano finding the talent and Dom moving around in the draft to get in a position to draft the talent). Time to bring it back to Glennon…Schiano knows NFL talent, Schiano covetted Glennon, therefore I am optimistic Glennon will be a good starting NFL qb (if he has a line that can give him more than 3 seconds of protection…dude isn’t a great scrambler)…so sayeth the mob member from the north.
February 12th, 2014 at 9:09 pm
Glennon is going to have Joe and Freemanite faithful yumming down on some crow.
February 12th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Now I understand why Lovie didn’t want Angelo to be his GM