Glennon Is Not About The Stats
February 16th, 2014
Joe knows many Bucs fans are thoroughly aroused by Mike Glennon’s numbers. They’ll trumpet his 19 touchdowns versus nine interceptions all day long.
Joe doesn’t get it. The stats obsession is mind-boggling, though understandable in our fantasy football culture.
Joe can say with certainty that he never thought Trent Dilfer was a strong quarterback when he threw 21 touchdowns versus 11 interceptions, won 10 games and made the Pro Bowl in 1997. You just can’t evaluate a QB strictly based on numbers like so many fans want to do.
On the flip side, this is why you don’t see Joe expressing his lack of support for Glennon by writing about Glennon’s forgettable December stats line (six touchdowns and five interceptions, 53.5 percent completion rate). Football is rarely all about stats for Joe, especially at quarterback.
Joe bases his evaluation on all aspects of Glennon’s play — the things he did and didn’t do — and his potential, his “ceiling,” as some call it. It’s really no slam on Glennon. He looks like a solid third-round pick, which is where he was drafted last year.
As loyal readers here know, Joe also follows the NFL closely, and Joe recently learned about an interesting yet meaningless stat coming out of Washington D.C. The Redskins had a lousy defense last season, but throw out their first three games, and their numbers would have had them ranked ninth in the league. Of course, you can’t do that.
Stats have their place and are applied subjectively every day. It’s part of what makes the NFL fun. Just don’t let the number rule your life.
Joe will leave you with this recent video from one of the great stats philosophers of all time.
February 16th, 2014 at 10:58 am
According to “stats”, MG8’s rookie QB rating is better than all of the following:
Montana
Unitas
Brady
Brees
Do any of you MGM’s really think there is a comparison to any of these HOF quarterbacks? Really? But via stats, one can make the argument. But if you believe it, you have been taking too many trips to Colorado.
MGMs say Glennon needs better players around him, coaching, schemes, just every excuse in the book. I am still of the opinion that Free had less around him (lets call it ‘even’ for arguments sake) than MG8 and did more with it. You saw flashes of Free’s potential (but it took years to see he was a head case). You just don’t see that in Glennon – none of you MGMs makes that argument, and that is the ONLY one that is valid.
It probably won’t happen, but the Bucs desperately need to draft a QB with their 1st rd pick this year. Move up, move up, move up…
February 16th, 2014 at 11:13 am
Mike Glennon is better than Matt Ryan. He is not the 4th best QB in the division.
February 16th, 2014 at 11:14 am
lol raheem….
February 16th, 2014 at 11:19 am
You will never be able to separate sports and stats…they are inexorably linked. Go to ANY sporting event and you will see “stats” …both team and individual. Go to a Rays game and you will see something like “Johnny Baseballplayer” is batting .278 with 13 HR’s and 56 RBI’s, with an on base percentage of……” On the scoreboard. Stats help us quantify performance. Mike Glennon had some very good stats (in most categories) last season…especially when compared to other rookie QB’s who went on to have solid careers. This does NOT is any way mean that he will have the same result over the long term, it just means that he compares favorably to those other players at this stage of his development. What Joe is talking about is “intangibles”…leadership, intelligence, maturity, being able to read a defense, etc… These are much harder to quantify because there is no easy “measurement” for these categories. Joe and a few others seem to think that “Johnny Partyschool” has better intangibles than Glennon…or at least a higher “upside”… And they could be right…but it’s not Glennon’s stats that make me hesitant to trade away draft picks to get a guy like Maziel, it’s the rest of the team’s stats! What did our stats last season say about how often we sacked the opposing QB from the DE spot, or how often we were able to hold the other team to “3 and outs”, or how often our rag-tag offensive line gave our QB time to throw, or how many LB’s not named “David” influenced the outcome of a game, or how many big plays of over 20 yds we gave up on defense, or how our TE’s (except for Wright who actually played out of position last year) did, or how many pancake blocks our interior line delivered….these are the stats I lose a lot more sleep over! Unless Johhny Football can play QB, DE, TE, OG, Slot Receiver, SAM Linebacker, and provide depth at CB and DT…than I don’t think he is the “missing link” that will magically catapult our Bucs to playoff contention! The Bucs have several holes to fill…and QB is not our deepest one!
February 16th, 2014 at 11:19 am
How about Mike Glennon making Tim Wright better? Joe always talks about a QB making a nobody WR better, well there you go. How about Glennon not being a frail to use his legs and pick up a few first downs throughout the season while scrambling, something Freeman did early in his career but forgot how tondo te past few seasons. Glennon is a third rounder who got thrust into starting for a team with few weapons on offense and very bad coaching situation. I say you gotta give this kid at least a chance to see what e has with a full offseason of work and some better/healthier options on offense. Not saying gift him the starting position but the kid definitely has shown enough to atleast not be written off and given a chance to fight for the starting spot.
February 16th, 2014 at 11:22 am
@Glennon Mob Says:
“Mike Glennon is better than Matt Ryan. He is not the 4th best QB in the division.”
You are taking some really strong meds…
February 16th, 2014 at 11:26 am
None of us reading this can tell today if Glennon will be a good QB or not. He was a 3 round pick that outplayed the 1st (Manuel) and 2nd (Smith) round QB’s taken before him. The so called experts out there in the press and TV are divided on his so called “Ceiling”, from Joe who basically says he “Sucks” to Rich Gannon who says he is the man. My take on all this is none of the so called experts or us fans really no Jack Sh*t about what it takes to be a good QB in the NFL and we should leave it to the experts at One Buc Place (Tedford & Arroyo) to judge whether Glennon has the tools and ability or not. We will all know what they think come March in free agency or in May when the draft starts. Personally I think a QB can make huge strides from his 1st to 2nd years if his head is screwed on right and he dedicates himself to the film and weight rooms and Glennon deserves a chance next year under the guidance of Tedford to see what he can develop into. Also there is no QB in this draft that is a sure fire franchise QB like Luck so there is no reason to reach for a QB when none of us really know what we have in Mike Glennon
February 16th, 2014 at 11:30 am
I think Glennon is highly coachable and it appears that we might be building a Staff that will coach. We’ve seen a lot of good, possibly great players come through Tampa that IMO would be ruined if they stayed. Previous regimes did not use players properly. Get the most out of your players, it’s called “coaching”.
February 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am
Stats are decieving…..Glennon’s 19-9 is good….but there were also many missed opportunities because I belive that Schiano created an atmosphere where Glennon was severely limited. Schiano was so against turnovers (remember the way he was over fumbles) that I am certain Glennon threw the ball away….didn’t take chances and took sacks in order to avoid interceptions.
I would really like to see what Glennon could do with a different coaching philosophy. I like what I see when he opens up on the no-huddle sets.
I’d also like to see how he measures up against some stiff competition. After all, he was pretty much handed the job.
February 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am
Last I looked the Falcons were picking before the Bucs in the draft.
February 16th, 2014 at 11:38 am
@Jeagan1999 Says:
“…You will never be able to separate sports and stats…”
I don’t think Joe said that. The point is more that just bc MG8’s rookie stats are better then: Payton’s, Montana’s, Unitas’, Brees’, etc. does not make him a HOF QB. BUT if one is crazy the stats are there to make that argument.
To me, if you want to make a reasonable argument that he is a high level starting QB, state the games, or even quarters of the games where he led his team to victory. Or even when he was freaking amazing. How about a 2nd half rally?
Here are some stats for you on your all star MG8. On the bucs first possession in the 2nd half of all 16 games they scored a cumulative 3 field goals and ONE touchdown, had 9 punts and 3 turnover. The LEAGUE AVERAGE was 4 touchdowns, 2 field goals and only 2 TOs. So, by these very fair comparisons, Glennon is a way below average starting QB.
February 16th, 2014 at 11:41 am
This blog is like political ads. They hammer on what they perceive is wrong every minute of the day, day in and day out. Everybody’s got their list of wrong’s in this world. The public wants to know why the candidate should be elected not why the opponent shouldn’t be elected. Unfortunately not many dare to stick their necks out and offer solutions. So instead of bashing Glennon every day, stick your neck on the line. What do you propose the Bucs do? Is there one or more “franchise” quarterbacks available in this draft? Who are they? Are you willing to trade up to get your man? What are you willing to give us in the trade? You obviously have insight the rest of us could only dream to have. Please tell us your solution. We are waiting. By the way, what is a franchise quarterback? Is it a multiyear starter? I suspect not. I think it’s more likely at top 16 or top 10 quart back. What is your definition? Few drafts have multiple “franchise” quarterbacks yet every draft has QBs that are taken on the hope of being one. Who is he or are they in the 2014 draft?
February 16th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Let’s just judge on feelings then
February 16th, 2014 at 11:55 am
Every player that is enshrined in the NFL HOF was selected solely on stats. Unless Raheem Morris was your favorite Head Coach then take your stats for loser quote and cram it where the sun don’t shine cause you are full of steaming heaping stinking crap if you think Teams and players aren’t judged on individual and team stats. You can’t refute or spin that.
Really, we’re going to compare the Hall with the performance and ceiling a first-year QB? Nonsense. –Joe
February 16th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
Joe(coachrahstatsareforlosers)fan.com
One more example of Joe putting a spin on the facts to put down Glennon.
Again If Joe can’t get creative and find ANYTHING else to write about I will be taking a nice long vacation.
Joe writes about all kinds of things. Scroll down. Check the archives. Enjoy. –Joe
February 16th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
johnny manziel would still be the worst Qb in the division!
February 16th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
Only one stat matters…..wins and losses.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
Joe the only true stat is did they win, not how they won. If the Broncos could have had a miracle that won them the game and their ring, would they say they did not deserve it, I don’t think so since I have never heard of anyone that was on the winning SB team say they did not deserve it.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Wait isn’t that what all the Freeman lovers were saying…that he had just set all those Bucs passing records? Then Schiano ruined him? Let’s not be two-faced guys! On a related note, GOD, I’ll be glad when the draft happens then the season starts so we can MAYBE read about something else.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
@ BucsQcCity Feeling are for losers… Lol
@ Jeagan1999 Great post, I am completely aboard on this.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
@Jeagan1999
Great post. I think I’ll just cut and paste it every time another Glennon/Johnny party animal discussion comes up. You nailed it!
February 16th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
Stats truly are decieving…..Look at Glennon’s stats against Seattle (at their house) and Manning’s stats against them on a neutral field……Is Glennon the better QB…..no….stats do have some meaning but need to be over a period of time.
Glennon’s body of work thus far isn’t enough to draw many conclusions….Add Sammy Watkins to that recieving corps….perhaps a TE & bolster the O-line a bit….give him some competition & some coaching….then lets see.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
Glennon did exactly what his coaches asked of him nothing more or less. That’s why he will succeed in the NOT for a long time cause he does exactly what he’s told. Can he be the starter absolutely cause he will do what Tedford tells him to do so expect him to be here and if… a strong if we draft a qb and if he get beat out we’ll have a hell of a backup!
February 16th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
hi, joe – would love to hear your take on the bucs QB position, particularly your thoughts on mike glennon and johnny manziel. can you post an article soon letting us know what you think? thanks!
February 16th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Freeman only finished 3rd in the division Once out of 4 years, the rest he finished dead last. MG8 finished 3rd in the division his first year.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
@Glennon Mob Says:
“…Last I looked the Falcons were picking before the Bucs in the draft…”
Yeah, thats a good point (sarcasm). So using that same philosophy…
Last I looked, Ryan, a Pro Bowler, and top 52 player in the NFL, led his team in ’12 to the NFC Championship where he threw for almost 400 yards and had 3 TDs. MG8 led his team to a top 7 draft pick.
Please, you are embarrassing yourself.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
@SAMCRO Says:
“…Unless Raheem Morris was your favorite Head Coach then take your stats for loser quote and cram it where the sun don’t shine cause you are full of steaming heaping stinking crap if you think Teams and players aren’t judged on individual and team stats. You can’t refute or spin that…”
Samcro, you seem angry dude. LOL No one is saying stats are irrelevant (except maybe Rah, but he did not post on here). Maybe you should consider a remedial reading class, right after the anger management therapy.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
If the stats were against MG8 you can bet Joe would be using it Against the Him.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
@pick6 Says:
“hi, joe – would love to hear your take on the bucs QB position, particularly your thoughts on mike glennon and johnny manziel. can you post an article soon letting us know what you think? thanks!”
LMFAOROTF
GREAT TAKE! Jealous I did not think of it.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
For me at least, it has more do with the fact that Greg Schiano was a terrible, terrible offensive football coach. Obviously, better football minds agreed with that sentiment and thus he’s no longer employed here.
The point is that Glennon always had the physical tools to be an NFL QB, however he was thrown into what we all can agree was a no-win situation with Schiano at the helm. That would be tough for any rookie to succeed.
I’d love to see what he can do in another offense. He’ll have his chance to show us.
February 16th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
phattitudes,
I agree with your take on Franchise QB’s! There’s too many critical fans without a realistic plan. I like Glennon, but there are a lot of fans that do not. My realistic plan would be to bring in Matt Schaub (if he is available) Keep Glennon and draft a QB early in next years draft. It’s just my opinion, but I feel that Brees & Manning would have both struggled on this team. Fill the holes this year and keep an eye out for that potential Franchise QB in the near future. We may be surprised and have that player already on the roster. If not; next years crop of QB’s looks very good.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Go head and get all your hate out now, that way when Glennon starts next steason, you’ll be all cried out.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
season*
February 16th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Wash, rinse, repeat.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
You seem to forget that Brady was a 7th round pick and I think he turned out alright. If there is an unpgrade available take it, if not this kid will do. He has potential if coaches by a DECENT coach. He made some great throws last year and some rookie mistakes, he also had a team that was destroyed by injury. As of now I don’t see an upgrade in free agency and why would you risk getting another rookie qb? Johnny football is exciting but he’s small and lord knows how his attitude will be
February 16th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
I do believe Ryan also lead his team to this seasons #6 Draft pick. By throwing for 4515 yards 6.9 average pass 26 TD 17 INT 67.4 % completions on 40.7 attempts a game, 89.6 passer rating. With having all these great Numbers and he still only won 4 games….Is he not a Franchise QB? Will the Birds trade up and draft his replacement? That might just be embarrassing…
Bring in Who ever the GM and Coaches believe worthy to best implement their Offense plan. Use the players we have and others we will be bringing in from the Draft or FA, Trade whatever. As long as we win who cares.
Go Bucs!
February 16th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
I don’t have a problem with ppl saying Glennon is better than so and so, and making reasonable arguments in doing so. And, I have no doubt Glennon will be here next season. And quite honestly, I want him here – he will make a great backup and could possibly improve enough to be a starter with better coaching, which I believe Tedford will provide. I would, however, LOVE to see him compete with a Teddy or Johnny, not as much with Vick.
I just get annoyed with stupid arguments comparing him to HOF QBs and guys in our division who are clearly better at this point in time – it is ridiculously annoying.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
@Harry…”I don’t think Joe said that. The point is more that just bc MG8′s rookie stats are better then: Payton’s, Montana’s, Unitas’, Brees’, etc. does not make him a HOF QB.”
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that MG8 is a HOF’er or even will be one! I think what a lot of us are saying is that he played very decently in his rookie season, and given all the other holes the Bucs have to fill, why would we give up picks ( which we would certainly have to do to move up and get a top QB in the draft) when we have a lot more pressing needs on the team? MG8 may never be an elite QB…then again he might! A lot of his peers had very similar rookie seasons compared with his!
February 16th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
Hey Joe Any way to turn off the autoplay ad everytime I reload this page? I am SO TIRED OF HEARING THIS WOMAN COMPLAIN ABOUT WINNING 15 MILLION IN THE LOTTERY!
February 16th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
Lets trade Glennon to the rams for the number 2 pick. I’m sure Fisher will do it as he got an up close look at the greatness that is Mike Glennon when the bucs played the rams.
No brainer.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
Jeagan1999 …if you think that it’s not worth it to trade up, to some people that means you think Glennon is a future star.
To some people even if the QB of the future is not there in the draft and you tell them that. It means you are part of the MGM and you think Glennon is the next Manning.
Your not going to win, some peole see what they want to see, just to argue.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
@ Jeagan1999
Exactly…..comparisons are irrelevant…..all Glennon’s rookie stats tell us is the he has potential….he needs some competition for the position, coaching, experience and a couple of weapons.
You don’t have to be in the MGM to have that opinion.
I surely hope he makes it…..he’s young & cheap and we need players at several positions.
I feel the same way about players light Tim Wright, Gholston & Rashaan Melvin.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
Joe and other media are trying their best to nudge Bucs to move up to draft JM. Problem: Glennon and his NFL/TEAM records and awards are in the way. So what to do? You lynch Glennon in the media. 620 and their cronies are out in a coordinated effort to do this.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
Glennon Mob Says
“Mike Glennon is better than Matt Ryan. He is not the 4th best QB in the division.”
bucfan999 Says
“None of us reading this can tell today if Glennon will be a good QB or not.”
I Quote: “Glennon’s forgettable December stats line (six touchdowns and five interceptions, 53.5 percent completion rate)” – Joe
Nuff said.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
@HARRY
sorry my friend i’ve tried too but seems theres no place for common sense on this site and joebucs loves it, he throws something out there, we take the bait and have the war of words….if we have cam newton, matt ryan or drew brees running this offense and still threw for like 6 yards a pass, couldnt throw deep ball to save his life, sliding a yard before the first down and was too slow to escape a fat defensive tackle because of running a 4.94 we would be looking at all those quarterbacks like we need an upgrade. but we blamed the offensive line because he held on to the ball too long, why is it the offense line still helping us rush for over a hundred yards a game even with bobby rainey running the ball? because bobby rainey is dynamic? give me a break, its because our line is better than average even with the injuries, glennon holds on to the ball to long and he looked scary, all teams had to do was focus on stopping the run and keep everything in front of them to kill our offense
FYI that we talk about how bad our offense was in the second half of games last year but atleast josh freeman went to the bench TWICE with a lead in had at the end of the game…..glennon hasnt had a signature win yet, hasnt beat anyone worth mentioning yet, freeman did that the first game he played against green bay who won the superbowl that year, this dude hasnt even eclipsed what freeman did, he’s average just like freeman but with less upside and weaker arm and a 3rd pick status that makes him easily replaceable
I CANNOT WAIT FOR FREE AGENCY/DRAFT THIS YEAR, this is going to be an exciting year especially if we draft a quarterback!!!! ill get to come here and see mgm all confused and pissed off, good times ahead
February 16th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
SAMCRO Says
“Every player that is enshrined in the NFL HOF was selected solely on stats.”
I say
This statement is completely not true. Mock Drafts focus on stats, yes, but teams use scouting, investigation. Stats are not the sole consideration.
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tre83 Says
“One more example of Joe putting a spin on the facts to put down Glennon.”
Heaven forbid facts get in the way. I would like to know how exactly there was spin in what Joe said. The facts speak for themselves. Glennon started out acceptable. He ended poorly.
And if you cannot handle the truth, that’s your own fault.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
@Jeagan1999
Maybe your last post was before you had a chance to read my last post.
Regardless, I think when one compares MG8’s rookie stats to that of Manning’s, or Brees or Brady, aren’t they saying Glennon is as good as one of these HOF QB in his rookie season? I think that is what that implies. Maybe its not intentional, but it says that.
I like Glennon, as I said above. I do NOT think his ceiling is very high. I thought Free’s ceiling was much higher, athletically. Then he had his little melt down.
Regarding moving up in the draft to get a franshise QB, we will disagree on that. Yes, we have a lot of holes to fill, many of which can be filled thru FA. I think the Bucs may not be in a better position to move up and draft a franchise QB than they are now bc we are drafting so high; simple as that.
If you like the Lovie hire and you believe, as I do, he will make the Bucs much better right away, then answer me this: when the Bucs go 500 next year and are drafting in the middle of the round, and say MG8 proves to be medicre at best, how do we get a Franchise QB then? FA sucks, that won’t work. Getting ridiculously lucky like Seattle did is not likely to happen (a team could draft a 3rd rd QB for years and not get those results). The main road to a franchise QB is a high draft pick. How do we get one then?
February 16th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Glennon, a rookie, had second team snaps in training camp. He took over an ugly situation. He lost his star RB, his #2 receiver, and had an O-line playing like crap. But he still managed to keep his cool and do a pretty solid job for a guy with no experience. IMO he did enough that we should see what a guy like Tedford can do with him before pulling the plug and that first draft pick should be used on a DE, WR, or OL. Bringing in a guy like Vick or McCown or whatever is treading water… it’ll get you 7 wins maybe. Boom or bust with Glennon as far as I’m concerned will be far better for the future of the team in the long term – either Glennon takes the next step, or you go looking for your blue-chip QB in the draft again. These guys don’t grow on trees.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
@Glennon Mob Says:
“…Last I looked the Falcons were picking before the Bucs in the draft…”
That’s just stupid. Ryan is the second best QB in the division, just not THIS year.
Believe me, I wish he were horrible.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
@bucs4lyfe
I’m with ya buddy!
February 16th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
bucs4lyfe…copy and save that for tomorrow and Tuesday as well.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Rob, Glennon had mostly first team snaps in camp, as I recall. That’s why all the media thought he was here to replace Freeman.
ON THE DRAFT
Here is how I believe the draft will shake out
Pick 1 – Texans – Teddy Bridgewater, QB
Pick 2 – Rams – Greg Robinson, OT
Pick 3 – Jaguars – Johnny Manziel, QB
Pick 4 – Browns – Jadeveon Clowney, DE (will take a QB with Pick 26)
Pick 5 – Raiders – Sammy Watkins, WR
Pick 6 – Falcons – Jake Matthews, OT
Pick 7 – Buccaneers – Blake Bortles, QB
So a QB would fall to us.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
I think the Browns take AJ Marron either at pick 26 or in round 2.
February 16th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Glennon Sucks
Glennon is Great
We need to move up to draft Bridgwater, Bortles, Manziel
We should take one of them at 7 if they are there
We need to take Garoppolo or Murray or another QB later
We need to bring in Vick
Vick Sucks
We need to gring in McCown
McCown Sucks
We need to call Brett Favre
We don’t need to call Brett Favre
Glennon should get another chance
Glennon should be a career backup
Freeman Sucks
Freeman Sucked
I’m sure I haven’t covered everything but this covers most opinions. I think I’ll just post this everytime another QB article appears!!!
February 16th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
Tampabaybucfan, it does about cover everything 😉
Seriously though, I don’t know if Glennon is the answer, and I’m not willing to give it 4 more years to find out…not without someone else as well.
If Mike Glennon is destined to be as great as the MGM claims, he won’t get beat out. So competition should be welcomed.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
“Glennon had mostly first team snaps in camp, as I recall. That’s why all the media thought he was here to replace Freeman.”
I’m 95% sure that’s not the case. I think all that came from Schiano’s luke-warm response to questions about Freeman, and the fact that the Bucs burned a 3rd round pick. I think Glennon got some snaps, but I don’t think it was anything close to ‘most’ or that would have been a major storyline in Freeman’s horrible start. Glennon did get a lot of snaps in the preseason games though.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:08 pm
@Bonzai
Could happen. I just don’t see both OAK and CLE passing on QBs
February 16th, 2014 at 2:10 pm
@Jeagan1999
I wrote you a response, but it either did not make it thru Joes cyber filter or its up for moderation. Keep an eye out for it. I don’t know why that keeps happening to my post – no cue words, no links, etc
February 16th, 2014 at 2:16 pm
I hope the Bucs take Kelvin Benjamin, WR in the second round.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
Harry, from Browns GM
“I’d say that No. 4 is not necessarily where I would take the guy that I like,” Farmer said. “Again, it may not be the name that everybody thinks is the latest, greatest, and the easy one to spot.”
That tells me he is not planning a QB with their first of two first round picks.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
And Oakland ALWAYS screws up their pick.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
@ Bonzai
I am absolutely, positively in favor of stiff competiton for Glennon…..bring in McCown….I’ll even hold my nose with Vick…..draft Bortles, Manziel or Bridgewater if the fall to 7 (not likely)…..draft Carr, Garoppolo, Murray or someone else in the later rounds.
I am opposed to giving up much to trade up…I think we need our picks for other positions.
My preference at 7 is Watkins….I think he is another Julio Jones and we would be greatly improved with him. Or, I would like to trade down a couple of spots and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
Tampabaybucfan, I agree with you. Trading up is not remotely a good idea.
But I prefer Kelvin Benjamin over Watkins. He is more Calvin Johnson-like. And he would likely be there when we pick in round 2.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
Bonzai, it is reasonable if both Teddy and Johnny are off the board, that is true. Some having Bortles taken 1st, I think he is a bit raw for that. He needs work
February 16th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
Of course, I am assuming DE will be addressed in Free Agency.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
April can’t get here fast enough. Rays baseball and the draft. There’s just no interesting Bucs news aside from a new staff.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
WalkDaPlank, the draft is in MAY starting this year 🙁
February 16th, 2014 at 2:47 pm
nothing personal against glennon, but to think this guy is the franchise is just crazy to me, if he is so be it but because of that word IF i want us to draft a quarterback and get free agents for him to compete with because he hasnt faced true competition yet, he was given that job the moment he was drafted and there was never a true competition in the preseason……all those who are on the MGM just dont be the one who thinks this guy is the franchise but would say in the same breath that darrelle revis sucks because if you believe that then you probably believe barrett rudd could come back and start at middle linebacker
February 16th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
Trade Glennon for the number one pick. The mob says he is better than any QB in the draft.
I’m sure the Texans would agree when they review the earth shattering stats from the 32nd offense in the league.
February 16th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
I find it interesting that you, Joe have blinders on.
How good is Glennon, well actually we do not know. What we do know is that he had a terrible offensive line protecting him. He had his top offensive running back on the sidelines and he had a crop of receivers that would have been lucky to make a start on the terrible Florida college team. What we don’t know is what kind of a QB he would have been if under center in Seattle. I find the comments here, including yours, on the topic of Glennon similar to who is the best heavyweight boxer as being discussed at 2:30 closing time at a local watering hole.
LMAO
February 16th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
@passthebuc
Hard time agreeing with your take….umm josh freeman was throwing to maurice stovall and mike williams tried to be a number one, still didnt have a slot receiver but we had winslow who was inconsistent at best with his dropped passes…who was our running back when josh freeman threw for 25 touchdowns and 6 interceptions? umm how bad was our defense? third down back? rookie coach? first time gm? what you said really means nothing based on that criteria because look how josh turned out 4 years later…no one was questioning josh freeman’s worth ethic before greg schiano before that guy got here, after freeman’s rookie season he stayed at one buc place the entire offseason also so glennon is doing nothing different from that guy. our offensive line is the same as it’s always been just average but we had josh freeman who escaped pressure something glennon cant do because he’s the slowest player on the field. our punter has more mobility than glennon…..russell was a third round pick guy just stop it, he came in and took that franchise tag he has now, there was no debate about his skills no debate about how good he was, how accurate, no adjustments needed to make the offense work for him….both these qb’s sound nothing like glennon, he’s not the first rookie to come in and start for a bad overall team.
reasoning for a 4-12 season are irrevelant so is leading the 32nd ranked offense, the biggest stat MGM keep forgetting to mention
February 16th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
@ Bonzai
Benjamin would be great also…I just think we need a young WR high in the draft (1st or 2nd)
If Watkins is gone I’m OK with trading down or even taking Barr or Mack…(don’t think Clowney will be there)
Picking up a stud 3rd WR who will compete with MW19 will get the most out of him also (we know he has it in him)
February 16th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
We should actually get the Texans number one this year and next. Bare minimum for a cant miss prospect who already has a fabulous year under his belt and projects out to Manning.
February 16th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
It was a 8 months ago that Joe was raving about Freeman in camp with his “laser like passes” and looking like Brady. Look it up. Says volumes about Joe’s evaluation.
February 16th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Nothing in life is for certain. Only time will tell how good he’ll be. I’m all in for giving him this year to show what he’s capable of doing.
February 16th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
Funny story but if Arizona had Mike Glennon as QB lasy year they would have made the playoffs. There’s no point in giving up on him right away and wasting a first round pick when he was not even close to our biggest issue last year (no pass rush, no corners outside Revis, declining offensive line). We need more depth too. Glennon earned a full year based off his play. People want to act like he was one of the worst QBs in the league, yet from a value standpoint he was substantially better than Joe Flacco. He’s worth giving another year to, people are way too impatient.
February 16th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
Joe… I’m done. The same day you do a Jonny puff piece, and one of your anti-glennon hack jobs….. you could only be doing it to cause people to react…. I hope it works… I hope others are fed up with your intentional stirring and prodding. Hope this costs you advertisers. I use to love this site…. but now? I’m ready to stop reading it for good. So disappointed.
February 16th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
@Eric – I know you’re not referring to Manziel. Lol not even Joe drinks the Johnny kool-aid that hard.
February 16th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
Drew Brees actually but since you are spreading s(p)it like an Illinois farmer, let’s not get confused with petty facts, huh?
Was Joe supposed to lie and say Freeman was throwing passes over people’s heads when he wasn’t? Since you want to do research, go ahead and research other Twitter accounts of people who were there with Joe like Roy Cummings, Rick Brown and Andrew Astleford. In fact, Cummings mocked Joe because Cummings thought Joe was too critical of Freeman in training camp.
Maybe you forget what Joe referred to Freeman as when he was first drafted? Joe isn’t going to make s(p)it up and lie to make others happy.
February 16th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
For those that think Stats are for losers, try telling that to a player or agent when they are trying to negotiate a new contract.
It’s all about production, production is based on stats.
February 16th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
dan Says
“Joe… I’m done. The same day you do a Jonny puff piece, and one of your anti-glennon hack jobs….. you could only be doing it to cause people to react…. I hope it works… I hope others are fed up with your intentional stirring and prodding. Hope this costs you advertisers. I use to love this site…. but now? I’m ready to stop reading it for good. So disappointed.”
That’s funny, because your user name is pretty new. Unless of course you threatened to leave in the past and just changed your name instead…
February 16th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
Tgregs Says
“It was a 8 months ago that Joe was raving about Freeman in camp with his “laser like passes” and looking like Brady. Look it up. Says volumes about Joe’s evaluation.”
Dude, are you stupid? At the time Freeman WAS looking very good (and btw, it wasn’t Brady). What the heck is supposed to be thought after the record breaking year before and a great camp performance?
Ironically, you were not even here either, unless you did something to tick Joe off and changed your name.
February 16th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Harry Said:
‘I don’t think Joe said that. The point is more that just bc MG8′s rookie stats are better then: Payton’s, Montana’s, Unitas’, Brees’, etc. does not make him a HOF QB. BUT if one is crazy the stats are there to make that argument.’
And their coaches and fans knew that Payton, Montana’s, Unitas’, Brees’, etc. would be HOF QB’s?
February 16th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
I’m the first to admit I never saw the Freeman fall coming. I thought 5 was one of the few things Dom got right.
Still don’t get what happened to that kid. I thought he was on his way to some great things.
And of course I could be wrong about Glennon in the opposite way, thinking he can’t do it but he can.
Good thing I have a day job.
February 16th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
I think Glennon will be an adequate QB in the league. I don’t think he will be that kind of QB that will rally a team in the 4th quarter. If we go with Glennon, then we damn sure better have the best D, O-line, and great RB play in the league if we are to win it all. If I am GM / Head Coach, I am not going to lose my job throwing all my eggs in Mike Glennons basket. I’m looking for serious QB help right now.
February 16th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
You know how sometimes you can get a feeling about what is going to happen in the future? I see Glennon as the Bucs QB in 2014, he played well enough to earn the shot to see how much he can improve this year. I see and expect a better Glennon silencing most of his critics. They can eat crow or I will have a heaping helping myself if I am wrong. I can’t see that outcome yet.
February 17th, 2014 at 8:40 am
Sir, the fact is every last detail of Joe’s stance on Josh Freeman is preserved in the archives here. So you don’t to get to invent Joe’s positions on the former QB. Joe easily wrote about Freeman’s horrible record against winning teams more than 200 times. –Joe
February 17th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Any time you read the phrase,”I like Glennon, but” you can absolutely be sure of one thing “the writer is using a debating technic” used to cover their contempt for him. I personally have more respect for the writer if they would express there true feelings which we all know is “utter contempt”. At least we know where the Joe’s stand on the subject with their couple of articles on Glennon every day “supporting, discouraging a quarterback pick in the draft, telling us how many other people love Glennon, holding the dog at bay in his rabid attacks on the Joe Bucs Fan hour on the radio, Joe’s kind remarks on posts supporting Glennon and disparaging the use of “Mike Glennon Mob” or as his favorite radio commentator calls them “mobsters” (he likes Glennon also). Isn’t it time for all people to quite using this phrase unless the rest of their comments reflect that fact?
Yes, I am a Glennon supporter but will leave it up to Lovey to decide whether Glennon will be benched.
February 17th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
I miss Raheem the man, gotta admit he had a good personality.