Why Do People Hate Johnny Football?
January 1st, 2014
Joe hopes Bucs fans were watching the Chicken Bowl last night on BSPN. Johnny Football was Johnny Football. Needed escapability? He did that. Touch passes from the pocket? He did that. Rifle shots from the pocket? He did that. Needed to make chicken salad out of chicken s(p)it for a touchdown? Oh, he certainly did that.
Johnny Football put on a show that Joe truly hopes resonated with Team Glazer. It was nothing Johnny Football hasn’t done all through his two years in college where he threw for over 7,000 yards.
Yet Joe was blasted that Johnny Football is too short. Really? Here’s just a few NFL quarterbacks that Johnny Football is taller than: Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Joe Theisman and Fran Tarkenton.
Yeah, being short really shot their careers down, huh?
Then Joe hears people whining Johnny Football doesn’t have a cannon for an arm. Joe can think of all sorts of quarterbacks who couldn’t wing the ball downfield like Doug Williams but were damned good quarterbacks.
Joe’s favorite excuse is that Johnny Football is immature. Really? Are you his mother? Exactly how is he immature? Where are these complaints coming from? His teammates? Joe has never heard any speak ill of him. Seems to Joe he’s a leader. That’s not exactly the sign of immaturity.
Oh, but the haters say Johnny Football parties. Really? You mean like most 21-year olds? He likes to have a few cold beers now and then? Likes to chase skirts? The nerve!
As long-time commenter “Eric” wrote yesterday, he’s in his 50s and he likes to chase tail and pound beers, too.
Johnny Football may like to party, but at the end of the day, Johnny Football produces. That’s the key.
Let Joe put it this way for all the Johnny Football haters who are suddenly hung up on measurables: The Bucs drafted a quarterback in the first round in 2009 who had a Howitzer for an arm and was a defensive end-sized lad who was also an introvert, physically and emotionally, the direct opposite of Johnny Football.
How did that work out?
January 1st, 2014 at 1:05 pm
I’m on board with this kid. You think he’ll be there for the taking at pick 7?
January 1st, 2014 at 1:06 pm
Now that would put some butts in seats,sell merch and help get some prime time games.oh yeah may help us win a few as well.
Why wouldn’t the Glazer boys want some of that?
January 1st, 2014 at 1:06 pm
He would def. sell tickets, who would not go see this guy play? Though for him to succeed with the Bucs, they would need a real good offensive minded coach that can develop plays for his talent. Bucs pick seventh with the Texans picking number #1 and how could they not pick Manziel first?
January 1st, 2014 at 1:07 pm
I would love for Tampa to draft him but they would have to make a bold move. Cant see him falling past Cleveland at this point.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:10 pm
Not to mention it was probably Johnny who got the defense’s heads out of their respective arses at half time. No proof, but you could see the disgust in his face watching Duke trample A&M in the first half. Second half was a whole different story and I don’t think it was coaching adjustments. Just sayin
January 1st, 2014 at 1:11 pm
This town came down hard on Freeman for being seen in a bar. What else do you expect?
Personally, I don’t know if he’s any good. I missed the game last night and I have never seen him play. So I have some questions.
How does he compare to Tim Tebow?
Is his release good?
How is his accuracy?
I assume he is a running QB from what people have said, but does he look to pass first before running?
I have always felt that “running” QBs do so because they cannot make plays happen as well through the air.
And finally, what sort of human being is this guy? Ryan Leaf was a dud, known for partying as well. We all know how that worked out.
I think the fact that he does party adds an added risk, so the big question for me is whether he is worth the risk?
January 1st, 2014 at 1:12 pm
I am just glad that he did not get hurt last night. I would have hate to seen the Joe’s driving to the Skyway this morning!
January 1st, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Name one thing that you think will make this young man a very good football player in the N.FL. (Not For Long)
January 1st, 2014 at 1:12 pm
who says hes gonna b there when we draft at 7? Jacksonville is picking 3rd and they need a QB, and with the Texans possibly taking Bridgewater #1 looks like we would need to trade with the Rams in order to get him. how much are they gonna want to drop back 5 spots, our 1st and possibly a 1st next year and maybe another 2nd??? is that worth it when we need help on the D-line, O-line, CB (needs some GOOD depth). im not saying hes not worth it but maybe a 2 of thse 4 wins this year are looking kinda dumb now. oh well BUC IT IM OUT!!!!!
January 1st, 2014 at 1:13 pm
Rams want to trade down out of the 2nd spot. We might have to give up a little booty, but it might be worth it.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:14 pm
@doc he’s a leader.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:14 pm
1. He’s not a Josh Freeman
January 1st, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Kidding aside. Could see Bucs trading into #2 spot for QB if there are quality FAs available to fill other vital gaps. Rookie QB can do better with veteran protection.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:16 pm
The Bucs could do a trade with the rams.
Rams need oline. Offer a first and Donald Penn. Maybe they would go for it.
Penn only has a few more years in him and we needed to find a replacement anyway. We get the QB we want and draft a tackle in round 2.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:18 pm
This young man off the field problems would created unwanted attention to a new General Manager and Head Coach. Draft a young man that will be able to stand in the pocket and complete the pass instead of a small version of Jeff Garcia. Joe you just completed a story on Freeman off the field problems and stated he cause three men to be fired.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:18 pm
I like the idea of drafting Johnny from day one. Hope we find a good GM/HC combination that can make things work around here…
January 1st, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Johnny could also experience the Warren Sapp effect and slide down to us.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:22 pm
Joe I don’t hate the kid. This I were I stand. You LOVE him and think he is the next coming of Montana Or Brady. I have my doubts and questions. Because I do don’t have a man crush on him, like YOU do does not mean he could be a good NFL QB. How many QB’s are franchise changers? The vote is still out on RG3 and I think Johnny hype has a body type like RG3 and also has injury history. As you see with this franchise, if you MISS on a 1st rd QB it sets you back for years. I think he makes those wow plays, but also makes those umm yo kid what was that plays. IF he is Buc, I will pull and root for him. I would not trade up for him, look what it did for the Skins.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:22 pm
A running qb scares me to death. I can see a acl injusy within the first 2 years.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:24 pm
@doc. He will fill the stadium with real life buc fans and he will be a leader on the field. That all translates to winning and winning will be contagious in the locker room. I could be wrong. Or maybe I could be right.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:29 pm
Manziel (johnny football is so stupid) is an atheist’s Tim Tebow!
January 1st, 2014 at 1:31 pm
will he be able to handle the “grind” of lengthy film study and all the “extra” work that it takes to succeed at the top level of his sport?
I’ve only seen him in part of a game. I’m NOT so heavy on measureables either.
I’m concerned about his future work ethic
January 1st, 2014 at 1:33 pm
Nobody hates him. There are just legit questions can he do those things in the NFL. I don’t think he can. Also, Brees, Wilson and others. Those are exception to the rule. I can name you 100 others NFL short QB’s that didn’t make it. That’s like saying it’s easy to find a franchise QB’s in later rounds because Tom Brady was a 7th rounder. Another exception to the rule. 1 in a 100.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:34 pm
He is exciting to watch IN A COLLEGE game much like Tim Tebow once was but it will come as a shock to me if he can play anywhere close to that in NFL game speed….
The odds of that is against it with him NEEDING to go to the right system, have an o-line that can keep huge defensive men off of him and has RB and WR that can keep him from running crazy all game long… Sounds very similar to an NFL QB of the past named Archie Manning who was good but not on a good team so he never had the success his 2 sons have had…
His immaturity doesn’t make it any better… I prefer McCarron or Murry than Johnny!
January 1st, 2014 at 1:40 pm
I especially like how he doesn’t bend over and take it when he’s about to get sacked.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Just curious how much time was spent Photoshopping Johny “Spoiled Rotten” Football in a Bucs uniform? Well done Joe. Props for the efforts there.
Hate is such a strong word. My dislike for him is his tirades on the side lines, unsportsman like penalties, and all the off field reports are all warning signs to me of trouble. Do I want to see some passion in the players, yes, but there is a reasonable limit. Can he make the best of busted plays, yes he can, but that is against college teams. Against NFL teams, I just don’t see his style of football being sustainable. How long did RGIII last?
It seems your man crush for the Pop Star has now shifted to the Johny Football.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Haven’t seen anyone say they hate the kid. People just don’t have the same boner for him the Joes do.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:44 pm
After last nigh sign him up kid has fire
January 1st, 2014 at 1:46 pm
BSPN states that this kid may not be finish growing, they were saying his dad had a 5″ growth spurt while in college and this kid wears a size 15 shoe. Not sure on him yet, but like him better than Glennon. I like the upside of UCLA Brent Hundley especially if we go after San Fran OC, he seems like a Colin kapernick with better accuracy
January 1st, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Mons Venus will be loving it if the Bucs do draft Manziel.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:48 pm
No way he stays on the board past the top 5 picks. Bucs would have to move up. A good competitive guy but could be prone to injury due to size and he scrambles a lot.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Hey joe is there anyway we could get a list of possible free agents the bucs might be looking at to fill in some holes?? Knowing this will mildly clear up draft day for the fans, who knows what tampa is gonna do now. I mean this Johnny kid was insane last night. Hell he had me rootin for him…I wouldn’t mind seeing him take some snaps in tampa.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:50 pm
I’m all for taking a QB, but we just can’t afford to overpay for one. If Hundley, Bortles, Bridgewater and Manziel all come out, the Bucs would get their shot at one of them. I could live with that.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:51 pm
No one hates him but you can’t automatically think Russell Wilson, being the same height doesn’t count, Russell Wilson impressed in one on one interviews just as much as doing drills, he had the mind of a franchise qb unlike Freeman or Glennon…everyone in the nfl is fast especially d ends, people forget all the shots rg3 took as a rookie long before his knee injury…not many coaches are going to give up the house for a screaming quarterback he would probably stable even when perfection is good. I wasn’t a pocket passing quarterback not a fragile midget glennon
January 1st, 2014 at 1:53 pm
lets look at the teams drafting ahead of us and whos slinging the ball for them.
#1 Houston / QB Shaub or Keenum ( pending on what the new coach sees) #2 St. Louis / QB Bradford ( still on a major rookie contract so hes safe here) #3 Jacksonville / QB Henne or Gabbert (who is probably not returning)
#4 Cleveland / QB Weeden Campbell ( both probably cut)
#5 Oakland / QB McGloin or Pryoy ( neither is starting material)
#6 Atlanta / QB Ryan ( safe to say they wont take a QB my guess is Clowney)
#7 Bucs / Glennon (good career back up or short time starter)
with that being said the Rams could ask for a RG3 like trade to move up. Cleveland has a 2nd 1st rounder this year so they could move up easier or have what the Rams want more to make a deal. good news is its a deep draft for QB but still might have to trade up to get one. did we really need to win 1 or 2 of those games I don’t think so. BUC IT IM OUT!!!!
January 1st, 2014 at 1:55 pm
No hate here, just believe unless he changes his style of play, he’ll end up on IR every year. If he does change, he won’t be nearly as productive. He also has the potential to be a MAJOR off field bust. Think the kid is one hell of a college QB but too many ifs about him to put the franchise’s future in his hands. Besides, after last night, he will be gone before 7th pick.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:55 pm
I can’t agree with you more joe. The one thing that Johnny can do every time he steps on the field is produce. I don’t care what he does off the field as long as he can produce on the field. We haven’t had a qb in the past decade that could carry his team to victory and I believe Johnny can do just that. All I know is we need to do everything we can as an organization to either get manziel or bridgewater cause we need a franchise qb and glennon is not the answer.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Joe….Buc Fans don’t “Hate” Manziel….hate is usually a very personal thing borne out of fear….
Fans just don’t think he will do well in the NFL….would be injury prone…or just simply have other choices they like better.
You cant post any QB that all fans would agree with…and that includes Bridgewater, Bortles etc.
Fans wouldn’t even agree on Manning (too old) or Brady etc.
although Brady wouldn’t be bad for me….
January 1st, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Mansfield won’t get away with half the stuff he does at the college level. He may set a record for fumbles in a season the way he carries the football.
January 1st, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Manziel** stupid autocorrect.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:06 pm
THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT JOHNNY FOOTBALL IS…CAN HE DO IN THE NFL WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE NCCAF. ALTHOUGH THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON RG3 IS THIS A CONCERN THE WAY HE PROFORMED THIS SEASON AND ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT CAM NEWTON. 2. WILL WE END UP WITH ANOTHER TERRELL OWENS, RANDY MOSS OR THE GUY DOWN IN DALLAS WHERE THERE IS ALWAYS DISTRACTIONS AND AS THEY SAY..LIKE A CANCER IN THE LOCKER ROOM
January 1st, 2014 at 2:11 pm
If Freeman was still playing like he did in October 2012, I could care less if he is late to meetings.
Bring in Johnny!!!
January 1st, 2014 at 2:13 pm
I like moving up to the Ram’s pick for Clowney, I like Manziel in the 2nd round. (Warren Sapp effect)
The problem is that the Bucs don’t have that much to trade with unless they trade Revis. Imagine, the Ram’s DL with Revis behind them?
January 1st, 2014 at 2:14 pm
You seriously photoshopped a pic of him?
Ahahaha
Now that’s a serious obsession.
It still doesn’t make it anymore Buc related.
But i’ll stay true to my word and stay out of all the Manchild threads lol Chow
January 1st, 2014 at 2:15 pm
If you don’t have a great QB, your only hole is at QB. That’s just the way it is.
Manziel getting caught with a fake ID is SO typical of a typical college student. C’mon, you know that. & getting thrown out of a UT frat party is because he’s JOHNNY FREAKIN’ MANZIEL, HEISMAN WINNER FROM A & M. If a Longhorn fan *doesn’t* throw him out, he’s a bad fan. There’s footage out there where Manziel is calm & not acting like a douche at said party. It’s a little scary to me in the internet age how a little info blossoms into ironclad opinions about someone.
Anyway, it took balls of steel for Manziel to go to that party, & I was actually weirdly impressed by it.
Oh, & for the “can’t be cocky & have a big ego & be an NFL QB”. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, TOM BRADY aren’t cocky when push comes to shove in a competitive setting, & all don’t have huge egos truth be told? Sure, he could grow up a little (“the hung over at the Manning Camp” is my least favourite Johnny story), but again, if you already know you’re going to be good because you’ve proven it in the past against the best, & your whole self image *on & off the field* is reliant on being a good QB—wouldn’t you do everything in your power to insure that party goes on? & that translates to on-field production.
& finally, yes, Manziel behind this Bucs offensive line would be epic. That was Mr. Glennon’s #1 problem—too stork-y & lanky to truly be athletically creative. Manziel would make plays out of plays where Mike Glennon would be on the ground.
PS—RGIII had a serious knee injury early in his career. People who say Manziel will get killed I think are incorrect, because he pretty much has stayed injury-free, in the toughest conference in the nation, playing a wild style. He’s not a reckless twig like RGIII who’s injury-prone, & he’s not a god athlete like Michael Vick was (who then thought his body was indestructible). Manziel is Brett Favre with more athleticism but not as much arm strength.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:20 pm
His play is very intriguing. His sideline behavior is not. He comes off the field and slams his helmet down and gets in the face of a VJax like that and it wont be pretty. NFL players will not respond well to that, especially from a rookie. I have no problem with swagger and fire in the gut, Bucs could use that. But for it to work you have to win otherwise it becomes a huge media distraction. But this is probably all for nothing, I doubt Lovie would sign up for that and JFF wont get past Oakland. True to Buccaneer form, we go a miserable 0-8, Det and Atl hand us wins on a silver platter and now we are sitting with the 7th overall pick. Not fair. Too far back for the QBs, the Clowneys or the Matthews aahhhh…where’s my beer….. Go Bucs
January 1st, 2014 at 2:20 pm
Because drunks make bad NFL quarterbacks. See Josh Freeman, see Ryan leaf. The days of Joe Namath are long gone. Johnny football smells of immaturity. Kid can play, no doubt. But there are risks. In wrong hands he would be a disaster. Depends whom Bucs hire as coach. Would Dungy draft him?
January 1st, 2014 at 2:24 pm
What exactly is the difference between Johnny Football and Doug Flutie? Same story, same result?
January 1st, 2014 at 2:24 pm
you’re right he’s an exciting good football player. I see drew brees all over his game. my fear is his bean…can he handle the fame and grown men that will will bury him at the next level…marinovich comes to mind….
January 1st, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Hate is the wrong word. Its just when you look at similar players in the NFL, body types especially, you see RGIII and Mike Vick, and you remember those guys are never going to play a full season. You watch Johnny and you see him do these amazing things running around…but that will never work in the NFL. The 5 guys he makes miss in college will be 5 times better players waiting for him. You think for instance he can make a Lavonte David or Luke Kuechly miss? Absolutely not.
The Bucs need to go with Glennon in 2014. With a full offseason of work, I’d like to see what he can do. Better than that if it goes off the rails, then there’s Jameis in 2015, who is absolutely worth drooling over like Joe does for Johnny.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:26 pm
niko…ken stabler was a drunk and one of the best….
January 1st, 2014 at 2:27 pm
Manziel = RGIII 2.0
Smaller build, really fast, lots of escapability, exciting player who produced lots of yards and points at the college level, winner, leader, etc, etc, yada yada yada.
Great rookie year but defenses will catch up starting year two, and he’ll also get pounded with hits that will eventually slow him way down. Just like RGIII.
Just ask RGIII how fast NFL defenders are compared to college and how laser-perfect they are in timing their big hits on QB’s who run. Ask him how hard it is to stay healthy with a slight build in the NFL. Ask him how much of an advantage he enjoys at this point compared to his rookie season.
Yeah…that’s what I thought.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Hopefully some stupid GM out there will give us a bountiful harvest of draft picks to move up to our spot to take Manziel.
Just like the Redskins did with RGIII.
Please…I can’t wait.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:35 pm
Trade sown and stock pile – Manziel can play but I don’t want my franchise QB leaving film session getting wasted at the panthers cabaret the day before facing Peyton Manning or Brees.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:37 pm
The game last night was the most exciting football game I can remember. I like Manziel and think he’s the best college quarterback in the nation. In the pros he might be another RG3. Pro quarterbacks with those running skills eventually get hurt and have short careers, or they become pocket passers if they want to last. I wish him the best though and will enjoy the show where ever he lands in the draft.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:38 pm
I don’t follow the college game closely enough to make great comparisons .. but … If size and durability are seriously a question, then who among the QBs out for the draft would you equate to, say, Colin Kaepernick 2.0 ??
(Seriously, I’d like to know)
I mean … I thought for sure that Napoleon Quarterback would have been snapped like a twig before the end of the season, but I think some of these new rules meant to protect the QB might actually help alleviate a small percentage of the concern over Johnny Football’s durability … eh?
January 1st, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Agree with Architek. Manziel got away with partying relentlessly in college because his natural physical abilities were on a different level than most players around him. In the NFL that will no longer be the case. He will have to work his ass off day in and day out to gain an edge on the competition. Just ask DaQuan Bowers how a player loses his natural physical edge against the competition just by going from college to the NFL and how you have to work non-stop for years to get it back. Do you really think Manziel is made of stuff like that? I wonder…
January 1st, 2014 at 2:40 pm
I love this guy as a qb. He is a bonafide playmaker and will fill the stadium and make the Bucs relevant. Draft him!
January 1st, 2014 at 2:40 pm
… I mean, Manziel is 1″ shorter than Steve Young… Steve Young 2.0 would be pretty nice, too.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:41 pm
I hate his freakin guts but even I can recognize that he’s talented. I think he will have some success in the NFL but scrambling QBs havent won a Super Bowl yet. I would not be surprised at all if we drafted him.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Measurables comparison
RGIII:
Height – 6’2″
Weight – 223 lbs
40 time – 4.41
Manziel:
Height – 6’0″
Weight – 210 lbs
40 time – 4.45
Just look at what’s happened to RGIII since entering the league by getting relentlessly pounded with hits by defenders. Then compare the stats above and ask yourself if Manziel will fare any better.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:46 pm
2 Things, I’m one of the guys who said Johnnie Manziel is big time partier… Chases hot women and thought he would be a cool dude to chill with but to put in charge as the face of your franchise is dangerous…
I than watched him last night and have came to one conclusion.
F*ck it, let’s do it team Glazer… At worst it’s going to be fun to watch.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Andrew 1 … Steve Young and John Elway might disagree.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:50 pm
I think he’s a good QB. Like a Russell Wilson/Tebow blend. I just don’t think he’s worth a high first round pick. The seventh overall pick is one that you use on a player who you are absolutely sure will be starting for years to come.
manziel hasn’t earned that classification. He’s an animal at A&M, but how coachable is he? How bright is he? How well can he REALLY read a defense? Those crazy spinning back foot throws of his will be ints. every time in the NFL.
All I’m saying is that he’s got just as many question marks as Glennon did coming out last year, but we got Glennon in the third round. Manziel is a good QB prospect, just not worthy of a top ten grade at this point.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:53 pm
@Mord
The player most compared to Kaepernick in this year’s draft is Brett Hundley out of UCLA. His build, playing style, physical abilities and draft grade are very similar. But he hasn’t officially declared yet so it’s not certain whether or not he’ll be available.
January 1st, 2014 at 2:56 pm
I quit reading at “It was nothing Johnny Football hasn’t done all through his two years in college” is two years playing football at A&M going to make this kid a professional? If he had played 4 years there maybe. I don’t hate him I just do not like how he is revered to as a can’t miss prospect…
January 1st, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Let’s cut out his size BS. People said that about Russell Wilson and look how he turned out. Hell, we even had people in our own fan base say Glennon won’t be able to withstand the punishment because he is to skinny. Lmao. I watched the guy take a beating and not once did he get injured. Talent triumph size.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:03 pm
(assuming Manziel comes out of college)
With all the hype – I’m not so sure he’ll be there. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Texans take him #1. Keeping a beloved, hyped, talented, local boy in town is a good move for any franchise in my opinion.
That said a lot can happen between now and April, but even if Manziel goes before #7 it’s still not bad for the Bucs as it would push more talent down in there direction.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:05 pm
@ Mord
Comon dude, those guys are considered pocket passers. Yes they could scramble if needed, but that was there last resort. Johnny relies on his his legs equally, if not more, than his arm in relation to the guys you mentioned.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:25 pm
So Joe your argument is we went X route with X type of QB so now we need Y type of QB since he’s opposite of what we chose… That’s a lame argument. Did you write this article last night after the game??
One of you Joes or both have a boner for Manziel, and for whatever reason you defend him by using this site for your personal opinion.
How does this affect the bucs or anything related to the bucs? He hasn’t even announced that he’ll be in the draft FFS.
You throw stats at us JBFers and I throw you Andrew luck. He never had off field issues, he never got suspended for 30 minutes, he doesn’t act like the college kid manziel was being last night. The kid still needs to learn to be more mature. Remember when Cutler got in his face of his OL a few years ago. Can you imagine that happening to Penn or Dotson?? Kid better have the mind set that he’ll be a professional and needs to change his ways . You know better that on field and off field issues affect the player in the NFL. Not like in college where you can get away with everything.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:28 pm
Also manziel leaderships are close to a high schooler, no one in the NFL has his leadership type or whatever he did last night and there’s a dam good reason for it. He’ll be working with older players and what manziel did yesterday for sure won’t be motivating everyone.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:35 pm
Lots of good QBs to be had…Bridgewater, Hundley, Carr, Manziel…Bridgewater and Manziel are clearly special players with tremendous field vision and fire. Carr is the protype pocket QB with great production. Hundley is perhaps the most physically gifted but also biggest project of the four. I’d be happy with any of them…though I prefer Bridgewater.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:35 pm
If Manziel is still there at #6, there is no way the Vikings don’t trade up two spots with the Falcons. The only way the Bucs end up with Manziel is if they trade up with the Rams. I don’t even want to think about how much we would have to pay in order to make that jump.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:38 pm
Wow I watched a lot of Elway and I don’t think anyone would classify him as a “running” QB. And comparing Johnny Football to Russell Wilson is like saying my Toyota is like my friend’s Mercedes, yes, they’re both cars ….lmao
January 1st, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Joe, he would get killed behind this year’s offensive line. Without major upgrades upfront and without better targets to throw to he’d likely be as successful as Steve Young was when he was here. Maybe it can be done, but it’s hard to see how any GM/HC can make enough upgrades and still be able to trade up to get him.
January 1st, 2014 at 3:50 pm
I’m on the fence about drafting Manziel. It is unquestionable that he has all of the talent in the world. How much he may rely on raw talent is what concerns me though. I may be wrong, but I think Manziel is just so much more talented than everyone he faces that he doesn’t have to work that hard.
In the NFL, you can have all of the talent in the world, but you have to put in the work studying, working on fundamentals, etc. He will see NFL defensive schemes that he’s never seen before. I don’t how his work ethic is. He may be a hard worker. I don’t know.
However, you cannot deny drafting Manziel would make a ton of business sense (maybe short term). The Glazers would have a QB that has the bonafide “IT” factor, is polarizing, would bring national attention, and would sell tickets and jerseys. Even if the losing persisted, at least the loses would include at least 1 or 2 ridiculous highlight plays that will entertain fans.
I’m walking the tight rope on Manziel right now. LOL
January 1st, 2014 at 4:04 pm
Only comparing Russell Wilson to Johnny in terms of size. Johnny just runs way to much to last in the NFL imo.
January 1st, 2014 at 4:06 pm
The critics of Manziel must be blind. The kid is as fast as NFL players, has an arm, has accuracy and can extend plays which exactly how you succeed in the new NFL. The Bucs would hit the jackpot drafting him or they could rebuild the team around Napolean Dynomite or another backup.
Manziel does not equal Tebow.
January 1st, 2014 at 4:08 pm
Joe Montana didn’t have a canon for an arm & he did OK. I was impressed with Manziel last night. It was actually the first time I have seen him play (my Saturdays are full these days). He showed every quality a QB should have, including leadership.
Oh & the list is long of QBs who liked to party & chase tail. Joe Nameth & Jim Kelly come to mind.
January 1st, 2014 at 4:10 pm
Murray,Garrappalo also good options and let us get a stud 10 year plug and play OL with 1st pick
January 1st, 2014 at 4:23 pm
@MTM
Manziel being just as fast as NFL players is not the issue. Mike Vick was faster than ANYONE in the NFL, had a rocket arm, and put up stupid highlights every week.
Unfortunately, he could never stay healthy. Like Manziel, he is entertaining to watch and may win some games because of raw ability. But Vick never thought he really needed to study because he was so talented. He admitted such. I fear Manziel is a white Mike Vick (football-wise). That may be ok for some and not ok for others.
January 1st, 2014 at 5:12 pm
“Oh, but the haters say Johnny Football parties. Really? You mean like most 21-year olds?”
Problem is he isn’t most 21 year olds.
He’s a 21 year old that is the face & QB1 of a multimillion dollar college football program and a guy looking to turn that into a multimillion dollar salary being the face & QB1 of a billion dollar business.
If he’s partying now with that on the line what’s he going to be like after he’s actually been drafted and had his big payday, the guy is a bust waiting to happen.
January 1st, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Boy does he look good in Buc gear! Quit teasing us like that, Joe! Now if Buc brass would be willing to let him wear Simms old # is another story…pretty sure that’s set aside for future Ring of Honor ;). After last night, I’m even more inclined to go all in with Johnny Football. Even in loses, it would be damn exciting/interesting football!
January 1st, 2014 at 5:47 pm
@Nate_tweets
You make some good points. But Manziel is already better than Vick at this time. When did speed become a detriment in the NFL? “Damn I wish my QB was slower so he could get sacked more or I hate it when he extends plays”. The days of pocket passing QB ‘s are going away quickly.
January 1st, 2014 at 6:18 pm
How do you know he is as fast as the NFL players that will be chasing him ? Last time I checked he was playing against college players. Lmao.
January 1st, 2014 at 6:52 pm
Again, he will be a star. Albeit in the CFL or the Arena league.
Just too small to withstand the pounding. Sometimes throws floaters that will be pick 6’s in the NFL.
If you want change, take this year to draft 2 offensive lineman, preferably a center and premier left tackle and move penn to the rt side. it will allow penn to flourish and give him longevity.
Make a push to get a QB the following year.
Don’t kid yourself that Florida States QB will be there in 2 years, he will make more money in baseball without the problems.
January 1st, 2014 at 7:01 pm
Exactly Greig
You nailed it
January 1st, 2014 at 7:59 pm
I like Manziel but one has to wonder: how is he in the film room, if he parties is he a pot smoker? Can he take on being the franchise at a young age?
We’ve all been there in college. Question is , is Johnny ready to leave that behind bc a franchise qb, you’re looked up to as the guy. Better be first in last out type.
If all clear, take him. He’s exciting to watch. If there are question marks, then you shy away.
January 1st, 2014 at 9:52 pm
The Problem I have with Manziel is that the Stuff he gets away with at the College Football Level, he will NOT be able to get away with at the NFL Level. The Radio Announcers for yesterday’s game REPEATEDLY said that he was bypassing WIDE OPEN WR’S running across the middle of the field and instead throwing to guys who were double covered in the End Zone deep down the field on Reasonable Down & Distances. That’s just not Smart Football and he’s NOT gonna be able to get away with that at the NFL Level. TOO Much Talent at this level for a guy who Free-Lances like that. Just an Opinion of course.
January 1st, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Having read through all the threads its clear to me that a lot of people here have not watched Johnny Football very closely.
I always hear JF is a running QB. Does he make a lot of plays with his feet? Yup. But especially this season compared to last – he stays in the pocket, goes through his progressions and only if he has a defender in his face or needs to buy time does he become ‘special’.
JF has the ‘it’ factor. He is a natural leader on and off the field for his team. Reason he slammed his helmet down yesterday? Mike Evans completely lost his head. He had the penalty that killed the first drive and then totaly derailed emotionally. JF then got in his face – and told him to cool it. They needed him! That’s what a leader does. He STEPS up. He doesn’t loose his head.
Beginning of the second half: D gets the stop and A&M scores right away. JF walks over to the D and fires them up. “This is OUR moment. This is ours. I need you to step up.” The A&M CRAPPY Defense all of a sudden played with confidence and swagger. They got the stops and even pick 6.
He is one of those rare guys that can rally guys around him and just does one thing – WIN! He actually GIVES A SHIT. If the A&M D would be halfway decent there is no question they would have been unbeaten. Just ask Alabama what JF did to them?
WHO did he credit for winning the incredible game last night? His Oline and his Wide Receivers. Didn’t bring in the tropy, didn’t thump his chest. Just a big grin and understated demenor.
Back to JF being a running QB. Has anyone bothered to look at his stats for the two years he played?
Since he is such a running QB – what are his passing yards? 4114. Who has a better passing yard stat this year? Yeah… NOBODY. If the A&M D would have been half way decent and gotten some stops – his stats would have been even INSANELY good.
We can all agree that a NFL QB has to be accurate. So how did JF do this year as a loosy goosy running QB? 69.9%. Which of the other college QB’s have that completion percentage? Winston? nope. McCarron? nope. Only Bridgewater is better with 71%.
Everyone agrees he is VERY coachable and he stayed a LOT more in the pocket this year then last. Couple more years and he could be out of this world. He WILL grow another inch or more in height and his body will mature a bit more.
The ONLY ‘?’ I have is his maturity overall – but to me this is a no brainer. Get the #1 pick and draft JF. Period.
There is NO DOUBT, no matter how his NFL career turns out – 50 years from now Dads and Grandparents will tell their children and grandchildren about the day the saw Johnny Football play.
I leave you with this – IF – he would come to Tampa – INSTANTLY, we will gain MILLIONS of fans, fill the seats and be in the National spotlight. Can you imagine that type of personality down here?
He would not just be simply in it for the big payday or the draft status. Johnny Football wants to do only ONE thing and is willing to do ANYTHING for it.
WIN.
January 1st, 2014 at 10:51 pm
I don’t like him because all I ever here is how he flying every where to meet famous people, getting drunk at events, showing up late to manning camp and then leaving. Lastly when the new a&am o-coor came in he meet with his business partner… Not Johnny…. I don’t want freeman 2.0
January 1st, 2014 at 10:59 pm
“Enh why take the chance… that’s how I see it anyway.” – some old dude in the movie “Casino”
January 5th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Remember Scramblin Fran Tarkington? He did a lot of running and did ok.