What Should The Bucs Do?
January 29th, 2014
NFL Network host/reporter weighs in
Joe knows some fans and readers are downright sick of the following, but it’s irresponsible to ignore a smelling pile of dung in the middle of the room that the elephant just dropped.
When you have the worst quarterback in the division, you are screwed. Mike Glennon is a good guy. Joe likes him. But let’s not be foolish. He is not Cam Newton. He is not Matty Ice. And he sure as hell isn’t Drew Brees.
Once upon a time not that long ago, a team, if it was overpowering enough on defense and had a stout running game, could hide a quarterback. No longer.
So yesterday at Super Bowl Media Day, Joe had a chance to chat briefly with former NFL uber-reporter and now co-host of that rotten NFL AM show, Steve Wyche (no relation to Sam), about what he thought about the Bucs quarterback conundrum.
[Morning rant: For background noise alone, Joe has that dreadful NFL AM show on in his Jersey hotel room before he bugs out and gets back to Tampa Bay this morning. What a miserable show. In the height of Super Bowl week, for the past full hour, there was not one word spoken about football but an entire hour dedicated to dancing. Dancing! WHAT THE F’ IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? YOU ARE ON THE NFL NETWORK, NOT LIFETIME! This would be like CNN devoting an hour of programming four days before a presidential election to breaking down the social and political ramifications of Foghorn Leghorn and Yosemite Sam. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE TO FOOTBALL HEADS LIKE JOE. Why does the NFL Network think football fans want to watch dancing shows so much? It’s not just this morning. Joe cannot turn on that wretched show without hearing the word “dance.” WHY?! After the Super Bowl, Joe hopes someone in the Los Angeles NFL studios has an epiphany and has a major revamping of this painful show. Joe gets the ploy of trying to lure a diversified audience but this is ridiculous. With no more Tim Brando Show on the CBS Sports Network and NFL AM being impossible to watch, Joe is left gawking at Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Martha McCallum’s legs for morning TV watching. Every time Joe turns on NFL AM it takes no more than 10 minutes before Joe wants to choke someone (no, not the Kellen Winslow, Jr. kind of Target parking lot chicken choking.]
JoeBucsFan: The Bucs quarterback situation: Should they go out and get another quarterback or can Mike Glennon get the job done?
Steve Wyche: It really all depends on what type of offense they want to run if they want to be patient in developing him. He clearly has shown he has talent. He’s got a year’s full of experience and things went into a tailspin last year. Now there is a new regime. I can’t say they should go get one. I expect them to go get one. I don’t know if they want to get one in free agency, a Michael Vick veteran type or drafting one because Glennon is a young guy. Why draft one when you can develop another guy [Glennon]? It all depends on the scheme and if they feel they are already ready- built to win which many people believe they do[have the pieces] when you look at the offensive line and the receivers and the defense. So go get a veteran guy to compete with him.
This is an issue that will not go away until at least training camp, short of the Bucs obtaining a quarterback.
Can the Bucs pull an NFL version of turning back the clock, where they win on defense and a running game and have Glennon manage the offense? Or has that type of football gone the way of the typewriter?
January 29th, 2014 at 9:20 am
Isn’t that three type of football that the NFC representative in this super bowl is playing? Doesn’t seem like it’s that outdated if it’s gotten them this far
January 29th, 2014 at 9:22 am
Drafting a QB with our first round pick is a chance at a long term solution to a long term problem the Bucs have had for ever more.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:32 am
Couldn’t agree with you more about NFL AM, Joe. I turn that crap on every morning during the season for the same reason you did. It’s awful. It seems like its produced by a soccer mom. Just terrible. But its a football show, and it’s on while I’m getting ready for work. Eric Davis is the only one worth listening to.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:33 am
@Patrick
Wilson is a substantially better QB than Glennon. Just because they have an awesome defense does not make them a throwback at all.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:34 am
Yeah Joe, Brees was so good his first few years they drafted his replacement in P. Rivers. I’m not saying M. Glennon will turn out like Brees but just that Brees didn’t turn out to be Brees til he got a few years under his belt.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:41 am
I don’t understand why you hate him so much.i bet if you check the facts hes qb rating for his first 10 games is higher then the qbs you just listed.with a bad team.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:41 am
to be precise, of starting QBs, Wilson had the 7th highest QB rating, Glennon was at #23. That is terrible.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:42 am
Couldn’t agree with you more about NFL AM, Joe. I turn that crap on every morning during the season for the same reason you did.
Joe had totally given up on the show but only began clicking back to it since Tim Brando was taken off the air.
It’s awful. It seems like its produced by a soccer mom.
BINGO!!!
Just terrible. But its a football show, and it’s on while I’m getting ready for work. Eric Davis is the only one worth listening to.
When they stick to football, it’s an OK show. Sadly, that’s about 20 percent of the time.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:43 am
Digital Underground – Same Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cyfV7mllWo
January 29th, 2014 at 9:43 am
You cant win a Division with the 4th best Qb in that Division ? …just ask the Eagles and second year starter Nick Foles …Romo , Eli and RG3 would all rank ahead of Foles …..this Glennon thing is why i have been steering away from the site , it is getting old ….The bucs will bring in a Vet or draft a Qb but they will still have the 4th best QB in the Division ..so i guess just wait till the other QBS retire and than maybe we can go 8-8 .
January 29th, 2014 at 9:44 am
Please document where Joe has written where he hates Glennon. Reasoned and objective critique is not “hate.” Please don’t abuse the English language, thanks.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:46 am
Hard to say but if you want to get better you have to find a weapon at qb because the division has weapons leading their respected teams.
Not the defense and not the game management stuff. I don’t see a Vick prospect coming here and reigniting his career.
Draft a qb that’s a weapon and develop him with the mindset that one day we will take off the training wheels. Just never happened with Freeman and Glennon ceiling isn’t really high.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:46 am
Its this site that has turned into a “smelling pile of dung”!
January 29th, 2014 at 9:51 am
@Patrick
So you are saying Russel Wilson sucks? Please don’t ever comment on this site again after showing how stupid you can be
People really need to get it together man.. I disagreed with Joe all the time after the Freeman debacle(still do) but hes so spot on when it comes to QB play in the NFL now..
This game has changed sooooo much that even with a dominating D you still need a QB that can win you the game… Seahawks aren’t playing for the SUPER BOWL if Russel doesn’t make a crazy 40 yard TD strike to Kearse on a 4th and 15 or whatever the hell it was against the 49ers.. So please don’t use that we can get by with a dominant D.. Such a weak argument..
Ya we need help at QB but we also have needs at OL DL TE WR CB S and possibly a LB.. But what’s the MOST important position in the NFL? QB and its not even close.. Plus there is free agency for the other positions that don’t cost as much as a QB (Top Backup QB’s were making 4.5 Million last year!) I’m all for doing whatever it takes to get a QB high in the 1st because this might be the last time for awhile where we are drafting in the top 10( GOD I HOPE SO) Lovie is too good of a coach where we won’t be atleast a 7-9 team next year and giving Glennon one more year then drafting one next just means we will have more teams in the way of getting whomever we would be targeting..
If Glennon were to beat out whatever rookie QB we draft in camp(which he won’t because he might be the ONLY QB in the NFL to throw away a pass on 4th down when needing a score to win the game ) then all that means is we can trade him or the rookie QB for draft picks(More likely Glennon because he’ll have proven he can do it)
January 29th, 2014 at 9:56 am
Joe, I have to disagree as to the Bucs having the worst QB in the Division, I believe Matty Ice had a worst record this year then Glennon, so that makes him the worst in the Div. Oh, you say, he is better but his team was bad? How do we know that about the Bucs.
I am not saying not draft a QB, that is what the Coach and GM do, I am saying if they determine we need other positions first, so be it, I for one would love to see a very fast receiver that can catch the ball and gain more yards, then we will see how good the QB is.
I would love to see FA like Hardy, Allen on DL, along with the center we need.
As for NFL AM, I listen to CW and read your blog here with all the comments. I think you could do a great show as long as they keep you will lubricated and away for Rachel.
January 29th, 2014 at 9:59 am
more material to get MG fired up!!!!!!!
I don’t blow with the wind like some…….will be a huge pile of crow to swallow around game 6……..
January 29th, 2014 at 10:01 am
Oh and please can everyone stop with the STATS and the QB Rating comparing Glennon to Brees Brady Manning.. Totally different NFL now then it was when they were rookies.. This is a passing first league now for about 85% of the teams and you can barely sneeze on a player without getting a flag now…. QB rating doesn’t take how many sacks misreads.. QBR is a better rating because it takes the sacks and turnovers and when they happen into account which he had a 45.6(scale 1-100) which he finished 27th out of 39 out of qualified QB’s
January 29th, 2014 at 10:01 am
He is also just a rookie. Like really stop trying to compare them. Up until this year Car front office wasn’t sure about signing Newton long term and about to fire their coach heading into week 3 and next thing you know their the #2 seed.
(Maybe if the Bucs and their fans showed some patience for longer than a season and a half you might see development)
January 29th, 2014 at 10:02 am
Please, someone name one QB that is available that would be significantly better than Glennon. Don’t be speculative, have proof. Your career as GM is on the line.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:04 am
*Interesting:
(LT) Greg Robinson is now considered to be the Best Offensive Lineman in the draft. Especially with some scouts suggesting, a move to (C)enter will be better suited for LT Jake Matthews skill sets.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:09 am
@OB
You should stop posting here as well… Matt Ryan the worst QB in the division?? Dude had Julio for 4 games Roddy was injured till the last 4 Stevan Jackson for the last 4 and Tony is not what he used to be CLEARLY as he is retiring this year.. His number one receiver was HARRY DOUGLAS… What are you smoking dude? Look at his stats from the past 3 years and say that..
January 29th, 2014 at 10:14 am
well i think there is a few teams this season that enjoyed alot of success with a average QB and a great defense, Chiefs and 49’ers is among them. i really dont see the whole NFL has become an exclusively offensive league.
plus i wouldnt mind seeing what glennon can do with the offense next season, i mean most of the pieces are there, and the bucs did have a quite prolific offense for some weeks back in the 2012 season, with the not so accurate, lazy freeman at QB. still think glennon has potential to be really good.
plus the Jeff Tedford has had offenses in college which made average QBs look like first round picks, no saying he cant do that with glennon as well.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:15 am
Right now I would take Glennon over all QB’s in our division. This guy is going to be great. Really the sky is the limit for this kid. Glennon will show all the doubters that they had their heads in the sand. I just woke up, give me a break.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:17 am
We do not need Mr. Turnover, aka Vick. I would suffice to say this could be dreadful minus jersey sales.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:23 am
Joe, we get it! Glennon will not be the only QB on the roster for training camp. But QBs don’t grow on trees. No one with any value is available. Unless the Bucs pull off a wild trade (Lavonte David for Sam Bradford?), they’ll have a retread free agent veteran like Matt Flynn, or maybe a draft pick on the team. And I’m not sure that any draftee other than PERHAPS Manziel and Bridgewater could start Day 1.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Yeah Joe, maybe you should go check out Brees rookie numbers
They’re not relevant to the state of the 2014 Bucs. –Joe
January 29th, 2014 at 10:33 am
Quite the fortune teller you are! So which candidate coming out of college has proven themselves to be a Cam Newton, Drew Breeze, or Matty Ice? The answer is none! Most Rookie QBs do not come out and light it up the first year and require good coaching to “Become” those QBs! Drew Breeze wasn’t Drew Breeze in his rookie year, in fact, hes not even with the team that drafted him because they didn’t think he could be that guy. I am not saying that we should anoint him the starter but I think you are way to premature to be making such predictions. Bringing in a veteran would be the best course of action and lets see what this kid can do, if not, next years draft has much better QBs coming out.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:36 am
gotta disagree there though. Vick would be great backup QB.
keep him healthy and if needed he can come in and add a whole new dimension to the game
would not want to have him as the #1 because he is always hurt.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:42 am
It’s all about the scheme, and yes, we are going bring in another QB to compete regardless.
The only real question is the price. High draft, vet FA etc. I don’t really care at this point as long as we can sustain drives and score TD’s.
Joe, you’ve been pretty fair and consistent on Glennon but ponder this, I though he looked outstanding during the Frisco game running the no huddle. Maybe Tedford noticed too? Mixing both an tempo and a power running scheme might be waaay cool. In fact, this intrigues the Biffer.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:44 am
I get that this is opinion based site. I get it. But, man, the agenda driven reporting gets a little tiresome. I know. I know, I suspect the one of the writers will say it’s their site and they report on what they feel and if I don’t like it, I’m free to surf the rest of the internet to my hearts content. And that’s completely true.
All that said, I’m just giving my opinion of how some of this comes off to me and probably others. I’m not really firmly entrenched for or against Glennon. From what I saw, I certainly don’t think it’s fair to write him off. The writers for this website appear to be pushing a specific qb to be drafted. And the writers clearly don’t think Glennon has what it takes to lead the team to titles. So, the agenda continues.
Don’t think you know what the word “agenda” means. Here’s the definition: “a plan or goal that guides someone’s behavior and that is often kept secret.” Yes, Joe has an agenda to dive deep into analyzing the Bucs quarterback position, as it’s the most important on the field. So yes, Joe has an agenda. But Joe has no secret plan, and Joe has no goal other than to write about what Joe finds interesting. Joe finds all things quarterback to be interesting. –Joe
January 29th, 2014 at 10:45 am
Phillip, the same can be said for Glennon last year. After Williams went down, the only real receiver option was Jackson. We were on our third string running back when we lost Martin and James. We lost Nicks and our O-line was a disaster. IF injuries are a factor for Ryan then let’s keep it on a level playing field. I do agree that we need to have better compitition at QB but our 1st round pick needs to targeted to either WR (Watkins), OL (Mathews), or LB (maybe Mack but need to wait for the combine)
Joe, you do a great job at stirring up the passion of Bucs Nation.
January 29th, 2014 at 10:47 am
@johnny Says:
“You cant win a Division with the 4th best Qb in that Division ? …just ask the Eagles and second year starter Nick Foles …Romo , Eli and RG3 would all rank ahead of Foles…”
Johnny, you make a good argument, it certainly caught my attention. One problem with it is that Foles had the HIGHEST QB rating of ALL starting QB in the NFL for 2013 at 119; pretty impressive. Romo – 96.7, RG3 – 82.2 and Eli at a lowly 69.4. So it appears you make Joe’s point for him. Best QB in the NFC East for this year was Foles which is why the Eagles won their division.
Feel free to take a bow. –Joe
January 29th, 2014 at 10:50 am
This may be the best way to approach the Glennon situation. With a new HC and OC, they have two things going for them.
1. They have no vested interest in any player and will make a full analysis of talent available and where and how they need to upgrade a position.
2. They have a real need to “win now” and will do what it
takes to accomplish that.
That being said, we have to have confidence that they will fully explore all available options (draft, FA or keep things status quo) and will do what gives the Bucs the best chance to win.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:00 am
So what’s bad about waking up to Martha McCallum? LoL
January 29th, 2014 at 11:04 am
@Harry and Joe … you actually make my point .. did anyone going into the season THINK Foles would have the BEST qb RATING ??? it took Foles a second season …Maybe we should give Glennon a second season before casting him off as Horrible and we cant win with the 4th best QB !!!! Joea nd Harry cant spin Foles both ways.. he would be the 4th qb taken if there was a draft in that Division !!!
Joe’s not casting off Glennon. Joe’s merely focused in on the Bucs searching immediately for a QB who is better and/or has more upside than Glennon. If Glennon can somehow prove Joe wrong, then that would be awesome. –Joe
January 29th, 2014 at 11:13 am
The follow are division winners. The QB Rank is where the teams starting QB ranks in their division. So, no more bs about “average” QBs made their teams win their division:
Division Div. Winner QB Rank
AFC-East Patriots #1
AFC-North Bungles #2
AFC-South Colts #1
AFC-West Broncos #1 (Wild Card SD #2 and KC #3)
NFC-East Eagles #1
NFC-North Packers #1
NFC-South Carolina #2 (Wild Card- Saints #1)
NFC-West Seattle #1 (Wild Card- 49ers #2)
Can’t win your division with even the 3rd best QB. So stop the foolishness.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:19 am
@Johnny
You are the one that said Foles would rank last in his division. I just wanted to point out that it was exactly the opposite. I have not read anything on here that said we should get rid of Glennon. I think he will make a great backup QB and if he beats out a ‘Teddy’ or a ‘Manziel’, then the Bucs likely have some quality at the QB position.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:20 am
How do you know what Glennon will be? What has Newton/Ryan done? You have no credibility since you backed Freeman as a franchise QB. Just because you can put pen to paper don’t mean you know talent. Dung? haha yea, dung is right.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:22 am
I think that is yet to be determined. He deserves a chance to show what hes got after a rookie season with no weapons a ton of injuries and a horrible coaching staff. Draft a qb but dont just over look glennon it could be a mistake
January 29th, 2014 at 11:23 am
have you watched the Bucs win the Division or WC over the last 35 years with Williams, Dilfer, King ,Johnson,Simms and Garcia …I agree we need a great QB but they dont become free agents and no brainer Franchise qbs dont last till the 7th pick …so you have to hope to get lucky with the wilson ,kaps, etc …..I keep hearing Glennon sucks but i never hear a solid solution to the problem ….there is nothing great free agency wise and any qb there at 7 is gonna be risky .
January 29th, 2014 at 11:26 am
if he could win 10 games next year you could drag Charley Manson out of the Asylum and let him QB the team, i am a bucs fan not a fan of players … i am no Glennon lover nor hater .. i just think he is worth one more season unless something falls out of the sky to us.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:28 am
Glennen just flat out sucks and will lead this team no where bunch of daydreamers on this site
January 29th, 2014 at 11:38 am
Joe, I agree with the following:
1. Relative to Brees, Newton and Ryan, Glennon is indeed the worst QB in the division.
2. The Bucs are LONG OVERDUE a franchise QB who can make things happen.
However, I also feel the following:
1. Glennon showed enough to be given a chance to see what he can do with a better O-Line and #2 and #3 receivers who aren’t Tiquan Underwood and Skye Dawson.
I take your point that a QB should be able to pull up players around him rather than be dragged down with them, but there’s only so much a QB can do.
2. I struggle to see where a viable solution is.
There are no long-term options in free agency, only backups and spot starters who will do nothing more than push Glennon.
I don’t see a franchise QB falling to us at #7.
We don’t have many picks, and have a heck of a lot of holes, so trading up will take a big price.
I also don’t see the point in taking a QB in rounds 2-4. Why take another QB at or about Glennon’s level, and force the coaching staff to try to develop TWO non-blue chip QBs? Especially when, as I’ve said, we have other needs to satisfy.
Bottom line, Joe, I agree that if a once-in-a-decade prospect is available, who can be a franchise QB, then you take him, regardless of Glennon’s potential. The problem is I don’t see where one becomes available to us unless a heavy price is paid for one.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:43 am
I think Joe and the Glennon detractors need to have a little perspective. Here are some of the top QB’s in the game and how they performed in their first full season as a starter:
QB TD’s INT’s Comp. % Avg. Yds
A. Luck 23 18 54% 7.0
D. Brees 17 16 60% 6.2
P. Rivers 22 9 61% 7.4
P. Manning 26 28 56% 6.5
M. Ryan 16 11 61% 7.9
E. Manning 24 17 53% 6.8
B. Roethlisberger 18 23 59% 7.5
J. Flacco 14 12 60% 6.9
J. Cutler 20 14 63% 7.5
T. Romo 19 24 64% 8.1
Now let’s see how Glennon did in comparison in his first 13 games:
Mike Glennon 19 9 59.4% 6.3
On the good side….Glennon had the 2nd best TD/INT % (behind Rivers), tied for 1st for fewest INT’s (with Rivers), 6th most TD passes (tied w/ Romo). On the needs improvement side….He had the 5th lowest COMP% (tied w/Roethlisberger) and the 2nd lowest YDS Avg. (Brees had the worst).
It’s pretty clear to see that Glennon compares favorably to the other QB’s on this list! Now I am not suggesting that MG will magically turn into Brees, Manning, Ryan or Rivers…but you have to wonder, if their teams had given up on these other guys after just one season (and in Glennon’s case just 13 games), wouldn’t they be kicking themselves now for their mistakes?
I think you give the kid a chance this year. Re-build the O-line, add some speed at WR, draft a good TE and when you have a healthy Doug Martin, Mike James, Bobby Rainey, Mike Williams, V-Jax, etc… I think we will be very competitive again.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:47 am
@johnny Says:
1) “have you watched the Bucs win the Division or WC over the last 35 years with Williams, Dilfer, King ,Johnson,Simms and Garcia …”
I have been a fan of the Bucs for over 2 decades; prior to that, I was an Oilers fan for about the same amount of time. The NFL has changed. You can’t win with Dilfer and King anymore (how the hell we did that, I don’t know, lol). It is a WB league with out a doubt.
2) “I agree we need a great QB but they dont become free agents and no brainer Franchise qbs dont last till the 7th pick… I keep hearing Glennon sucks but i never hear a solid solution to the problem…”
You are right about the risk of taking a QB in the draft beyond the top 5-10 picks. I do not think either Teddy or Johnny will fall to #7. IMO, we should trade up with the Rams and take whoever the Texans leave for us.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:48 am
People gave Freeman five years, but won’t even give Glennon a second season.
How was Freeman’s rookie season fellas?
January 29th, 2014 at 11:52 am
Jimmy….voice of reason! Chickster….What?????? It’s great to be able to criticize, but at least have a viable solution for your argument. First you would need a team WILLING to trade down which is not going to happen. Too many teams looking for that franchise QB that we seem to be looking for. Next; even if you find a suitor the price would be way more than the Bucs would be willing to pay. There is only about a 20% chance that ONE of these QB’s becomes that franchise player. That means several of them will amount to nothing more than back ups and busts. Huge gamble to take on some really high risk & expensive players. You may not like Glennon or think he has potential, but whoever you bring in will still be the 4th ranked QB in the division.
January 29th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
@Bucnjim Says:
“There is only about a 20% chance that ONE of these QB’s becomes that franchise player.”
How exactly did you arrive at this 20% success rate? So between Teddy, Manziel and Bortles, only one of them (less then one?) will be successful? Please don’t just throw s(p)it out there.
January 29th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
joe, i’d love to see your 1-32 QB rankings at some point…maybe when things die down after the superbowl.
would also be interesting to rank the NFC South on other important positions like head coach, secondary, OL, DL, LB
January 29th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
@Patrick – well, we have to jump at the QBs that are coming out this year because this is the best crop of QBs that’s come out of college ever….until next year and as long as you don’t factor in QBs from previous years.
January 29th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Jimmy – you nailed it.
Everyone wants the franchise QB, but how are you going to pay for it? Do you want to give up the #7 pick for say the #2 pick to draft Manziel or Bridgewater? Ok…so you then will have to give up your 2nd round draft pick and maybe your 5th.
You can’t tackle all the holes we have via free agency. We don’t have enough money to do so. So if you now don’t have a 2nd round, 3rd round and 5th round pick, you are SOL.
Bucs may even trade down to 12-15 and pick up a 2nd round pick. That would have them keeping Glennon, bring a vet to compete and still have the ability to draft a edge rusher and WR in the first 2 rounds.
Or stay at #7 and draft Watkins or Mack.
Sucks we have to wait 4 more months!!
January 29th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
@ Jeagan = excellent
January 29th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
@Patrick in VA Says:
“…we have to jump at the QBs that are coming out this year because this is the best crop of QBs that’s come out of college ever….until next year and as long as you don’t factor in QBs from previous years.”
hmmm, I detect sarcasm, lol.
IMO, on this subject, the Bucs hopefully will NOT be in a good position to draft a franchise QB in 2015 and beyond because of the addition of much better coaching this year. Therefor, bc of our high #7 draft pick, 2014 presents the Bucs with the best opportunity to make this move. Moving up a couple of spots in the draft is not as costly as moving up say 10 spots or more. And stats show the the best chance of drafting a real franchise QB is in the top 5-7 picks. So if we don’t draft a QB in 2014, the Bucs will be plagued by mediocre QBing for many years to come just as the have been for decades.
January 29th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
This was not worth the time to read. Seriously,.. are you planning to do this every day and see how many of us go away? You and obama are in the same boat when it comes to my respect level. Just talk cause it is fun to make people mad and see how much you can push it.
January 29th, 2014 at 12:34 pm
@Joe
Opps, you have apparently crossed the line. You have now been compared to Obama… lol
January 29th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
And now Brees, Cam and Matty Ice are are all sitting at home. None got the big Dance this year. Only one ever has. Matty Ice did not look like the best this year. And the excuses for him are? You have no proof how good Glennon would be next year or an unproven QB from college. Nor will ANY of the NFC South QSs’ get their team to the Super Bowl. As of now they are all =. Sitting at HOME!
January 29th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
@Harry
If there was a “no brainer, can’t miss” choice at QB this year I might agree with you about moving up (i.e. Luck, Manning, Elway, etc…)…but there isn’t. I’ve seen all the “experts” disagreeing with each other over why Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles, etc. should be the top QB taken this year. The problem is each one of these guys has some major “?’s” around them. Manziel is a gamer, but smaller, lighter and has had some real attitude/off the field issues surround him. Bridgewater looks to have that rare combo of speed, athleticism, agility, etc… but he didn’t exactly set the college world on fire this year. Bortles is big, tall and strong…but very raw and inexperienced.
The Bucs have holes to fill on O-line, DE, Slot WR, OLB, etc… do you really want to give up 2 or 3 picks to move up for a QB that will probably get his bell rung behind a porous line, or build our line and solidify our pass rush and then see what Glennon can do with a better team around him?
I vote for the latter!
January 29th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
@IdahoBucsfan
Come on, man…comparing Joe to Obama, that’s a low blow dude!
January 29th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
@Jeagan1999 Says:
“If there was a “no brainer, can’t miss” choice at QB this year I might agree with you about moving up …I’ve seen all the “experts” disagreeing with each other over why Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles, etc. should be the top QB taken this year. The problem is each one of these guys has some major “?’s” around them.”
Tell me, what guarantees are there in life besides death and taxes? The experts disagree every year as a means to separate themselves from the pack. I even saw one who showed Teddy being draft with the 10th pick! I have been a Bucs fan for decades and I am tired of the mediocre play at QB.
Move up in the draft for Teddy/Manziel!
January 29th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
Bucs could make an aggressive trade to take Clowney, and then bring in Mark Sanchez to compete with Glennon.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Lol Why are people getting so mad about Joe’s ridiculous opinion? Relax Buc Fans. Once Joe is proven wrong in 4 months, all the sillyness will stop and he’ll act like he never done any of it. Just like the Freeman thing.
Just be patient and enjoy the comedy routines.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
Maybe Joe, you should be reading your own site. Yesterday, I read two articles and saw Kate Upton dancing the salsa in the end zone. We were all wondering if that was a Prada purse that she spiked or a Chanel.
The NFl Show has a woman on the set (20%) and two out of the 4 former players (40%) are gay. You say that you only write about what interests you, what do you think interests them?
January 29th, 2014 at 1:13 pm
So no-one can answer my previous question? At least no-one hypothetically wearing the GM hat would be willing to put their job on the line and give a definitive answer. Not even Joe?
Bring in competition, but unless any of these supposed #1 college QB’s miraculously falls to #7 it would be a death nil to mortgage future picks to move up and take one on pure speculation that their ability would single handilly make-up for our glaring weaknesses, or if they would even be better than the QBs in our division.
Down here in Tampa, it’s a fast way to get run if you gamble wrong. It’s so easy to sit here and say do this do that with no consequences but when it comes to your reputation, credibility, and your job most GM’s don’t throw caution to the wind unless they are already on the bubble and have nothing to lose. A new regime is not going to gamble this early in their development, especially when they have a QB that has shown potential like Glennon has.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
Harry its’ pretty simple math and you’re right I should have done a better job of comparing. So I went back and took the top 5 QB’s from every draft since 2006. Never going past the 3rd round I came up with 36 QBs and 10 are starters (even bad ones) in the league. That’s about a 28% success rate. A little higher than I thought, but if you cut it down to elite potential you may have three or four out of the bunch.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:20 pm
With Cleveland, Minnesota, Jacksonville, Houston, Oakland and most likely Tampa Bay andTennessee, all in need of the elusive franchise QB, that’s seven top rated prospects needed to fill out the league, of course leaving out for now the teams that may be considering drafting their “next generation” franchise QB. Houston, Cleveland and Jacksonville should all get “their man” between Manzeil, Bridgewater and Bortles.
That leaves Oakland, Tampa, Tennessee and Minnesota on the board to decide if the QBs left in the draft are worthy enough for them to take the chance with their first round picks. Per Scouts Inc. the next best QBs are McCarron, Mettenberg & Garoppolo with Carr ranked 9th below even Logan Thomas and Aaron Murray.
Regardless of rank, Carr and Garoppolo are getting a lot of ink since the end of the bowl season. So let’s just hypothesis the Bucs decide to pass on QB in the first round and go for a DLmen who can rush the passer, and both Carr and Garo go to Oakland and Minnesota in the first round.
Now fast forward to the ’15 NFL draft and how many teams still don’t have and will be looking for that sure-thing, can’t-miss, landscape-changing, field-tilting, rocket-launching, bowling-ball-running franchise QB? (Sorry Joe, the mimicking is only out of respect) . Two, Tennessee and Tampa Bay.
2015 NFL DRAFT PREDICTION: The Bucs trade away their entire ’15 draftboard to move up to no. 1 and take Jamies Winston.
Yeah, I know, this is fantasy football at it’s best. But as a Bucs fan, I can dream, cant’ I?
January 29th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
If the Bucs don’t trade up to the 1 or 2 spot to get Johnny Football it will be a major mistake.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
Haha someone said they would take glennon over anyone in our division. What a joke. Drew brees. Cam and Marty ice are better
January 29th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
@Harry
You are correct…there are no guarantees…but it doesn’t mean that you can ignore the risks. Each of the top 3 rated QB’s has their fair share of risk. However, I think it’s all academic anyway. Personally, I don’t think any of the top 3 QB’s will even be available by pick #7…Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland and Oakland all pick before the Bucs and they all need a QB worse than we do (even St. Louis may be ready to ship Sam Bradford out and start again at QB). The only chance to move up to get one would be to (possibly) trade with Stl at #2. The other teams I mentioned know this so they all (except Houston at #1) will be trying to outbid each other to get that pick. So unless you want to spend multiple picks this year (and maybe even next year too) for a rookie QB, it makes more sense to stick with Glennon and get a top defensive player (Clowney, Mack, Barr) or offensive lineman (Matthews, Lewan, etc..) and build with what we have.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
You guys crack me up thinking these teams are just going to agree to trade down especially all the way to number 7. There is a difference between Trading 1 or 2 for a 3 or 4 and they can still get the guaranteed player they want.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
I am trying to figure out how will the Bucs trade to 1st or second in the first round? 3 first and 2 second round picks it took for the Redskins, and to think the Rams won’t take that kind of payment again. You are joking yourself.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Wyche….is basically saying what 95% of the posters on JBF have been saying. Bring in competition for Glennon. Yet for some reason we continue to be told that there is a large majority of fans that want Glennon to be the starter, no questions asked. I don’t see it. Maybe 5% of the fans fit that category. So I don’t see why it’s daily news, but like Joe says, it’s his site and he will do what he wants to do. Even if it’s making something out of nothing.
Newsflash : 95% of Bucs fans want competition for Glennon.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Gruden & Keyshawn were worth that compensation, but no one in this years draft is worth it. Looking back I would say Luck is probably the only one I would gamble this many picks on.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Also; that Redskins pick is one hit away from being out of football.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Newsflash : 95% of Bucs fans want competition for Glennon.
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Correct. Just not a 1st round selection because as common sense would tell us, that’s not competition, thats a replacement. Which is exactly why all the haters want a 1st round selection.
January 29th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Putting aside, for a moment, the issue of whether the Bucs should acquire another QB, which I believe they will, it’s not clear to me why Joe is so convinced that Glennon’s upside is so limited. I mean, athletically he’s certainly no Kaepernick, but he’s got as much athleticism as a number of the best QBs in the league. He’s got the arm, the intelligence, the work ethic, the command of the huddle. These judgements about him being “limited” are based on what? As a rookie, he had pretty nice numbers, didn’t lose games, and played pretty sound. He was pretty impressive. No, he didn’t take over games, etc… but he’s a rookie. I’m not proposing that they should put all their hopes in him right now – competition is a good thing – but I think he’s got a chance to be a very good QB. I mean, how is his ceiling any lower than Joe Flacco, for instance?
January 29th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Manziel, Bridgewater and Bortles will all be long gone by the time the Bucs step to the podium. Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland all need a QB worse than Tampa. Plus you have Minn. and Tennessee in the mix all fighting to get 1 or 2 players. St. Louis will have a bidding war for that #2 pick and will sell it to the highest bidder!
The good news for the Bucs is that we could trade down a bit and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder and still get a really good player (Matthews, Lewan, Ebron, Mack, Barr, Watkins, etc…) in round 1!
January 29th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
hey joe,
how about something on the 1/2 time show they have planned. that will surely get clicks and stir the pot. I just heard of their plans, and I will NOT be watching the game.
Joe doesn’t write for clicks or pot stirring. Joe writes about what he finds interesting. Unless the halftime show involves naughty babes, that’s Joe’s time to walk the dog, pop a couple of Tums and reload the dinner plates. –Joe
January 29th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
Someday we will get to come to these pages and find talk about we also have no offensive line that that will get us there or defense. Day after day after day it’s Glennon. Well against good teams the defense gives up a ton of points. They almost never get to the QB. QBs like Kap pick them apart. The Oline can’t block a High school team. BUT question asked to everyone in the media? Glennon.
Joe’s written plenty of stuff on the Bucs’ O-line. Frankly, you have no idea what questions Joe is asking. Joe doesn’t share what is not interesting or not informed. For example, if Joe asks an analyst about the right side of the Bucs’ O-line and the guy says he hasn’t watched enough film to judge that, then Joe’s not going to waste the bandwith. –Joe
January 29th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Couch… well those people are just going to have to come to the realization that it’s not going to happen. Not at #7. I don’t see the Bucs being able to work out a deal to move up either.
Cleveland wants Manziel bad and they have 2 first round picks. So he’s going to the Brownies.
I just don’t see the Bucs having all that much to offer to move up the board. Even if they did have it. I don’t see Andrew Luck at the top of the board or Jameis Winston, so why bother.
January 29th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
If I were the GM I would offer Glennon as a trade to Denver. Since their offense is geared towards protecting an immobile QB like Manning, it only makes since to bring in a QB who is similar in stature and would flourish in that scheme. Manning is not far from retirement. In fact, if he wins the SB, he may decide to hang it up. Then we can sit here and cry that the Bucs did the wrong thing by letting Glennon go. Tampa will never be a team of the decades as long as we are so quick to abandon the development of our QB’s. To many have left the Bucs and gone on to have stellar careers somewhere else.
January 29th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
I don’t know why you guys are getting so upset at joe. The way you guys are protecting a qb that led the 32nd ranked offense in the nfl is strange. Makes me ta=hink alot of you have a man crush on him or something. No don’t talk about him he’s a great QB… WAAAH nothing negative can be said about him!! Dont say that that’s not nice, Glennons the man all he needs is a chance! Sad Sad times.
January 29th, 2014 at 2:48 pm
You know I can’t dance, you know I can’t dance. I can’t dance.
January 29th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
@Harry
You have stated multiple times that the Bucs need to draft a QB at 7 or move up. I respect your opinion but I do have a few questions on your thought process:
1) With all the QB needy teams picking ahead of the Bucs do you take someone like Carr at 7 knowing if he was in next years draft (I know he’s a senior) he would be tops a 3rd round selection?
2) What do we trade to say Houston or the Rams to get our franchise QB? (Remember we only have 5 picks this year)
3) If one of the above were to happen how do you fill the gaps and get the much needed depth at OL, DE, WR, TE?
Sure, if life were all rainbows and unicorns TB will be there at 7 and Robinson will still be available in the 2nd round. Not gonna happen.
January 29th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
We should not spend our first round pick on the quarterback. That would be stupid I think that we should spend a first round pick on an offensive lineman (long term thinking)and that would be good. I think picking up a nice veteran quarterback such as Michael Vick and a nice pass rusher or two in free agency would be awesome then we can pick up a nice linebacker in the 2nd round or a burner 4 the slot WITH HANDS!
January 29th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
You can’t compare someone to a “giant pile of elephant dung” and then say how much you like him. That would be like me saying joebucsfan is a flaming dog turf of a website but I really respect the writing. Bottom line, if a qb drops to 7 that is a game changer pick him and understand that we are destined for a developmental season. No option in free agency will upgrade the qb to anything but 4th best qb in the division. I don’t care near as much about having the best qb in the division as winning the most games. While the variables are related they ARE NOT directly corresponding and it is flawed logic to purpose this hypothesis. Put many qbs in the league where Glennon was last year and they do much, much worse. Draft the tackle in the draft, sign a pass rush defensive end, a mid level slot receiver a back up qb in free agency. speed receiver in round two, and then best available with heavy emphasis on o-line for the remainder if this draft. Get a stud blocking full back late. If Glennon is a “giant pile of elephant dung” then there is next year in fa or if he is really awful, the draft. But please tell me what rookie would look good with no deep threat (I love vjax, but his strength is not
Separation. It is all about body positioning which takes time and chemistry.). Multiple injuries to key offensive positions on a thin, young team and by all accounts an inept coaching staff. Prudent thought is let’s see how this plays out
January 29th, 2014 at 4:12 pm
I love your website and actually agree with you on a lot(I too LOVE manziel). But this is something i really disagree with you on. I just don’t see any other QB’s available to us that would be better than Glennon. I think MG8 could be a good QB in this league if he’s surrounded by talent. You are right that he’s the worst in division but that could change quickly.
January 29th, 2014 at 4:18 pm
Glennon to me is a young Brad Johnson. Probably already said, but that is what he is. Is it good enough to stick with him as our QB? Not sure. I know Brad did well at Minnesota & QB’d our Bucs to win the Superbowl. I also know both Minnesota and the Bucs tried to upgrade at QB from Brad. Is that ceiling high enough in the new NFL to stick with Glennon?
January 29th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
He’s reeling in the fish like crazy with the Glennon threads lol
January 29th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
Come on now, Joe. This is beginning to be pathetic. I love this site and I rarely comment but this is just too much. Quarterbacks were usually given time to sit and learn. Coaches did this for a reason. It takes time to adjust to NFL defenses and speed, learn playbooks, etc. Just ask Aaron Rodgers. Give the guy some time. I know a lot of them are just thrown into action day 1 but I don’t think that is the way to go. I can not wait to see how Manziel performs next year on whatever team he is on! Your man crush on him is really sad. Oh yeah, please stop with that “worst qb in the NFC South” crap. Any rookie qb we possibly draft will still be the worst qb in the NFC South next year!
January 29th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
Joe all of this is funny, but interesting. Of the QBs of old and our lack of a great one in the past, the QB named Young is not mentioned. Didn’t he go on to the 49ers and replace Montana and take them to the SB? I think he was the kind of QB we would have wanted but we let him go because he wasn’t good yet or maybe he had a better team and coaching around him, but he was the same QB as when he was here?
That was my point earlier about Matty Ice, last year they were the No 1 seed, this year he lost more games than Glennon. Either he was not as good, the team was not as good or both.
Now Joe for tomorrow, I suggest you start with which QB coach is better, the one this year or next, this will get a lot of people talking about things they may not know and lead to some funny dialogue so we have something to entertain us for the next four months.
January 29th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
@Bucnjim Says:
“…I went back and took the top 5 QB’s from every draft since 2006. Never going past the 3rd round I came up with 36 QBs and 10 are starters (even bad ones) in the league. That’s about a 28% success rate….”
Thats a lot of work, I respect that. I think the real numbers lay in the top 10 picks; beyond that we probably don’t care. The reason I say this is that I read an article recently that really got into the numbers of drafting QBs. This researcher found that the success rate for QBs is extremely high when drafted with one of the top 7 picks (some of this is common sense, obviously). For those drafted later in the 1st round and beyond, the success rate went down exponentially.
That is why I am a big advocate of us taking a QB. We are in position to do so and in future years we hopefully, will not be.
January 29th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
@BucfaninMO Says:
“@Harry You have stated multiple times that the Bucs need to draft a QB at 7 or move up. I respect your opinion but I do have a few questions on your thought process:
1) With all the QB needy teams picking ahead of the Bucs do you take someone like Carr at 7 knowing if he was in next years draft (I know he’s a senior) he would be tops a 3rd round selection?
No team would take Carr at 7 if he is rated a 3rd round pick in next year’s draft. This argument is similar to the hypothetical “If your aunt had ball, she would be your uncle…”
2) What do we trade to say Houston or the Rams to get our franchise QB? (Remember we only have 5 picks this year)
I read one evaluators opinion that had Atlanta moving up from #6 to #2 with the Rams for a 2nd round pick; I would be all over that to have a shot at whoever Houston does not pick from Clowney, Bridgewater or Manziel
3) If one of the above were to happen how do you fill the gaps and get the much needed depth at OL, DE, WR, TE?
some thru FA, some in the draft, some we get by with…
January 29th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
“I can’t say they should go get one. I expect them to go get one. I don’t know if they want to get one…”
This is why it’s pointless to ask a national NFL “analyst” about our team. They have one little 3×5 index card when it comes to the Bucs. And its so watered down and cliched that it makes me want go and Winslow on the guys front step.
January 29th, 2014 at 11:19 pm
93 comments, wow! Hot button topic, lol.
January 30th, 2014 at 3:17 am
It seems to Joe that you may have Winslow’s “issues” mixed up. He didn’t get busted for doing a No. 1 or a No. 2 in a Target parking lot, but he was, um, well, massaging a unit of his body (ahem).
Allegedly.
Generally, someone doesn’t “Winslow” in anger or hate unless they are a caged monkey in a zoo and are frustrated with everyone gawking at them.
January 30th, 2014 at 3:25 am
OB:
Not sure what “CW” is but Joe appreciates the kind words.
January 30th, 2014 at 3:26 am
Don’t imagine that would be a problem. 🙂
January 30th, 2014 at 3:31 am
No idea what the NFL Network has planned but Joe doesn’t halftime shows sans scantily clad babes.
Halftime is for dropping a load and loading up for the second half.
January 30th, 2014 at 7:23 am
I think that Cam Newton and Matt Ryan are worse than Glennon. Cam is in a remedial offense, and Matt Ryan is only as good as his team is playing. Drew Brees is better though.
January 30th, 2014 at 8:48 am
@Paul – note that the two qbs you have questions about were taken in the top 3 of their respective drafts. Brees was a second rounder. You don’t have to take the top rated guys to be successful. You have to find the right guy that fits your system regardless of what round he comes in. I haven’t seen anyone pointing out how the to qbs in this draft that everyone I’d pining over will fit in to the system the tedford is known for running. Leicht has already said that he’s.net going to chase names or even talent so much as people that fit what they’re trying to do. Grabbing someone based on what they did in college in a system that may be largely inconsistent with what we want to do will put us right back into trying to fit square pegs in round holes like we were with schiano