Revis Not Worth “That Kind Of Money”
January 4th, 2014
NFL Films chief is adamant
As Joe wrote earlier, prominent NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport claims Lovie Smith has big plans for Darrelle Revis.
That’s great! But the question that will linger through the opening days of free agency is whether Lovie believes Revis is worth his massive $16 million salary, which is about triple what top free agent cornerbacks earned on the open market last offseason.
One astute student of the NFL says Revis isn’t worth it in Lovie’s defense. NFL Films guru Greg Cosell explained this week that while Lovie mixed up his defenses with the Bears, like any NFL coach, Tampa-2 zone defense was always “their foundation methodology.” For that reason, Revis’ contract is a bad match.
“The issue is not whether Revis as a player fits it, because theoretically Revis, when healthy, fits anything. The question is, in that kind of coverage is it worth paying a cornerback that kind of money? And the answer is, ‘No,'” Cosell said on WHFS-FM 98.7 this week.
Cosell went on to say Revis’ history suggests he will want out of the series of non-guaranteed, one-year deals of $16 million per season. Revis will want the Bucs to re-negotiate a long–term deal with more guaranteed money,” Cosell speculated. Joe has no clue what that could be. Would Revis take a three-year contract for $32 million guaranteed? Regardless, Cosell was adamant the Bucs can do better than Revis at $16 million.
“You could probably get three players for what you are going to pay him. And with the Tampa-2 methodology, you do not need that kind of corner; you do not need to pay a corner that kind of money.”
Cosell has been studying schemes and the NFL for NFL Films for 33-plus years. He very credible, but he does gush over Mike Glennon, so Joe is at least a little skeptical.
Cosell went on to say the core of Lovie’s defense is an effective four-man pass rush and the Bucs don’t have that personnel in place, especially at defensive end. Now Joe can wholeheartedly agree with that.
Joe is sure Lovie wants Revis. What coach wouldn’t? But cash and winning drive the NFL. Lovie could look deeper at what Revis’ money could buy this season — and next season — and drool even more over those possibilities.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
And let the church say..Amen
January 4th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
I say trade him. Give some of that to GMC for an extension. Or Imagine what kind of secondary help, or O line help you CAN get for that
January 4th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
Greg Cosell the guy you disagree with about Glennon?
Pick and choose what works I suppose.
Joe makes Cosell’s take on Glennon clear in the post. Your attitude is deteriorating and will get you run again if you won’t stop. Joe is not interested in babysitting your comments for those that misrepresent Joe and cast Joe in a negative light.–Joe
Love and Revis will be here for a while IMO
Revis isn’t going to keep repeating the same cycle over and over with his contracts.
He’s smarty enough to realize that that option has gotten old in the NFL when it comes to Revis. He’s gotten the most he could possibly get from it.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
Lovie doesn’t just play the tampa 2. Lovie will be just fine with Revis.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
If cutler is worth 18 million, Revis is surely worth 16.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
No need to trade Revis. The best play is to allow Revis and his agent to see where the newly adjusted CB Free Agent market sits. Once Revis/Agent see the highest CB contract being given is around 7-8 per year, they will restructure down knowing that Revis stands to make significantly less money on the open market. The Bucs can wait until teams have spent most of their cap space and threaten to release him into a down market, after the 2014 draft, with little salary cap space.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
“Lovie believes Revis is worth his massive $16 million salary, which is about triple what top free agent cornerbacks earned on the open market last offseason.”
Eh…There were a few guys who signed for $5 million a year, but none of them were guys worth breaking the bank for. Meanwhile, in March of 2012, Cortland Finnegan signed a 5 year, $50 million dollar deal with the Rams.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Football games are one in the trenches. Thats where you dominate the game. Look no further than Carolina( Front Seven)
LDE Charles Johnson-Frank Alexander
LDT Dwan Edwards-Kawann Short-Sione Fua
RDT Star Lotulelei-Colin Cole
RDE Greg Hardy-Mario Addison-Wes Horton
WLB Chase Blackburn-Jordan Senn-Jason Williams
MLB Luke Kuechly-Chase Blackburn-Dan Connor
SLB Thomas Davis
Looks like a nasty unit eh?
Now without spitting out your beer. Take a look at their backend
CB Josh Thomas-Drayton Florence-Melvin White
SLT Captain Munnerlyn D.J. Moore
SS Robert Lester Quintin Mikell
FS Mike Mitchell-Colin Jones
CB Josh Norman
That back seven has a whole bunch cheap low round picks. Why?
January 4th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Glennon is going to be a solid QB. Why so many bucs fans dislike him, is beyond me. Imagine we draft watkins in the first (if you don’t think he is worth it, you don’t watch much FB then). That would put mike williams as the #3, that is a pretty dam good WR corps. D Line and O line are much more important than a QB, Glennon can and will be solid next year.
Revis is worth it, he will be 100% next year and will dominate again.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Until you need the salary cap space and until you can at least halfway replace revis, you better keep paying that man his money.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
Cosell is a great filmmaker and football analyst. I don’t take anything away from him but Lovie Smith is about winning games. When you have Revis, you match your scheme to his special skill set. There’s less than a handful of CB’s that can hold Revis’s jock. I would want and hope to keep Revis. We have cap space. I’d approach Revis about a cap friendly re-structure but under all circumstances you keep this man. From Rotoworld, the following: Revis has been playing less man-to-man coverage than usual, but has still graded out as the No. 1 cornerback in Pro Football Focus’ ratings. He should be back with a vengeance in 2014.
I rest my case.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
@ Jordan
Well thought out and well said
January 4th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
I say you force Revis to renegotiate or you cut or trade him. I know he’s a good player, but he is GROSSLY over paid (99% of the FA’s Dominick brought in are). Really the Bucs have the upper hand in negotiations. The Bucs can threaten to cut him and he won’t get his 16 mil at all. No other GM in the league would be stupid enough to give him a new contract at that price. I know he was coming off an injury this year and that’s why he played good, but not great. But’s who says he will ever reach his “old-self”? That’s a real expensive gamble. I don’t even think his “old-self” is worth a million bucks a game. I actually thought Revis got worse as the year went on. He got burned a number of times the 2nd half of the season.
I would love to keep Revis. Just not at his current price. Throw that money into 2 DE’s instead of 1 CB.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
Revis is not worth 16 mm. Dom was stupid to trade for him.
– goldson sucks as well. Can’t get outta that deal.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Because putting pressure on the QB has always been and always will be key to success on defense.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Oo Forgot to mention that Carolina smashed the Quarterback 62 freaking times.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Revis is the best defensive player in Football
If he doesn’t fit in your scheme, you better change your GD scheme
It’s that simple
January 4th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
@jordan great point. You also have to look at our cap space this year. If we can afford his contract and add some pieces that are needed then there is no reason to cut him. The Glazers are loaded so if we can still get the players we want this year and keep Revis, do it. Then reevaluate next year.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:38 pm
If no other team is willing to trade for Revis it wouid be because they don’t want to pay him $16 mil…..If that’s the case then the marketplace for Revis is known by Revis & his agent….I suspect that Revis would restructure with some guarantees….but do we want to do that now?…I don’t think so…next year would be better.
I think we can create some cap space by restructuring our older O-linemen….Nicks, Penn, Joseph.
We saved some cap space on the QB position, so we have enough money to bring in at least 2 or 3 top players…
Trade down…pick up a TE and draft a couple of Olnemen….in FA pick up some speed at WR….pick up a DE & CB and that should go a long way toward providing what we need.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
During the Bucs superbowl season it was our Defensive front line that made our defense look so good. Ask Ronde and Brooks. It wasn’t the greatness of Dwight Smith and Dexter Jackson that carried the D. Our D line was so nasty getting pressure, it had those 2 in a tight race for superbowl MVP.
Regardless if Revis stays or not, Lovie will have to get our pass rush on track. I think he will.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Trade Revis and our second rd pivk to Houston for 1 overall. Draft Johnny football no 1 and with our no7 pick draft matthews tto pay al ong side davin and boom! Offense! Will work out perfec tillman and/or grimes.t after we sing
January 4th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Ohh and draft Watkins ha
January 4th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Thank you Capt Tim. Exactly.
Get 2 DE’s for Revis? Gimme a break? You’ve got to be yanking my chain. So we can have 2 fairly above average DE’s to replace our 2 fairly above average DE’s?
January 4th, 2014 at 5:41 pm
Revis’s contract won’t be a problem if they decide to keep him.
The team has a written in option to make turn 13million of his contract into a signing bonus which would free all that up as cap space for 2014.
Not going to be a problem.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:45 pm
Thats also true PR. Its a team friendly contract because of the guarantees. There’s no rush to free up space for 2k14. Revis being gone just makes no sense. Lovie is salivating over Revis. Give Revis a year under Lovie and this D will be dominant. There’s a reason CB is the most difficult position other than maybe QB to play. Revis is pure gold in every way for any coach.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:46 pm
We improve the Rotation on our front seven. And we will put up similar numbers and have an equally affective unit. But you can’t do that with paying ONE defensive back $16 million. When you can have 3 good corners.
(L/R Corners)
Nolan Carroll
Alterraun Verner
(Slot Corner)
Captain Munnerlyn
(+Plus we would get a draft pick)
(+We get our 3rd back)
Its win win, in my book
January 4th, 2014 at 5:49 pm
We will be dominant our own way 🙂
January 4th, 2014 at 5:50 pm
A few things…
1. Darrelle Revis at 85% is a top five CB in the NFL. At 100% he’s top two. Based on what the Bucs surrendered for Revis, at the alleged urging of the Glazer family, it makes sense to use a healthy Revis next season, see how the team fares and go from there.
2. Why is everyone always stating that it’s only a matter of time until Revis demands another deal? That is ridiculous. Revis has been nothing short of the ideal veteran teammate, offering safe wisdom to his fellow teammates in the secondary and always giving 100% (except in the season finale). He accomplished his goal of being paid QB money, essentially operating under a series of franchise tag deals every season. Revis hasn’t said or done anything to imply that he will holdout (stupid) or demand a better contract (mildy ridiculous).
3. Lovie Smith has been away from the game of football for one season. While he’s been watching games and studying tape in preparation for his return, I can’t see a scenario where Lovie pulls a Schiano and plays away from Revis strengths (although to be fair to Greg, you have to consider the possibility that the coaching staff played Revis the way they did last season to work him back to 100%).
The Bucs have the money to afford the Revis contract while still being able to sign a few impact free agents. I hope the investment into Revis is allowed to blossom.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
@Tampabaybucfan
Once you have a trade partner in place it can be done. Similar to the way the Falcons completed trade for Samuel after he agreed to restructured his contract.
QB Tarvaris Jackson reworked his deal to complete a trade to the Bills as well.
January 4th, 2014 at 5:56 pm
I have only really been in this sports market town….but is it like this everywhere…NO sooner than the old coaching staff was run out of town and the foundation of the new coaching staff is being laid…the local media…begins sniping and second guessing….
January 4th, 2014 at 5:58 pm
Keep Revis….fix the other problems….Oline/Dline 3rd WR….TE, Perhaps another CB.
Key to 2014…Restructuring Nicks(if healthy) or cut him if not…..Restructure Penn & Joseph
Further development of Glennon, Banks, Spence, Gholston
January 4th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
Yep he is Top 5. But the other 5 guys are not asking for $16 million a year
January 4th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
I wish Ronde would come back and play nickle.
Half joking.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
we still have the cap room, why not keep revis this year…dismantle that overpaid offensive line…see how lovie can use him for a year…then dump him next if it doesn’t work.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
Let’s also not forget that Reavis is a sure and aggressive tackler which is a must for corners in cover 2
January 4th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
PRBucFan Says:
January 4th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
Greg Cosell the guy you disagree with about Glennon?
Pick and choose what works I suppose.
Joe makes Cosell’s take on Glennon clear in the post. Your attitude is deteriorating and will get you run again if you won’t stop. Joe is not interested in babysitting your comments for those that misrepresent Joe and cast Joe in a negative light.–Joe
Oh man…. I love it when Joe smacks down little punks like this.
I truly LOL’ed.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
Bucs should also take a run at Brent Grimes, a very good cover 2 corner
January 4th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
Aren’t you the clever one Sombrero, want a cookie?
January 4th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
@RastaMon
Its because we’re the most losing FRANCHISE in the NFL HISTORY.
Win-229
Loss-350
Tie-1
*Pct.396
It took the Steelers 30+ something years to stop falling for the okie dokie.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
I’m sure after all that’s what your looking for right? A treat?
January 4th, 2014 at 6:14 pm
@teacherman777
Lol
January 4th, 2014 at 6:14 pm
@PRBucFan
Play Nice..haha
January 4th, 2014 at 6:15 pm
Anywho, Lovie’s son was talking in an interview about how excited his dad is to have Revis.
I doubt he’ll be going anywhere.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:16 pm
Your right LUV 😀
January 4th, 2014 at 6:19 pm
Revis’s contract is only an issue if you are tight on cap space, we arent… yet. So I dont see a problem. He’s one of the best, if not they best in the game. Everybody is overpaid… why do we keep crying over a overpaid CB?
January 4th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
I have to say, as soon as I knew we were thinking about trading for Revis, my first thought was the one that’s on our minds today. Is he really worth 16 million? I also thought it would be the demise of Schiano and Dominik. I for one have never thought it was a good marriage. He’s great and he brings a lot to the table. But he knows this and this in lies the problem. He knows he can demand the money he wants. If Revis wants to win, than cut his salary and see if he’s willing to stay, if not cut bait now and move forward with Tillman or the best FA available, we just can’t pay 16 million for one player.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
lol…I remember many people here wanting trent Richardson.
January 4th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Keep it up and I’m certain you’ll get run and “smack’d down” as you call in way before I am 😉
January 4th, 2014 at 6:28 pm
@lurker
hahahaha. Who knew?
January 4th, 2014 at 6:31 pm
@lurker
@PRBucFan
Their numbers are dwindling. At least thats something to drink 2
January 4th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
Cheers* lol
January 4th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
This is not a forum for you to attack Joe. Joe doesn’t attack you. –Joe
January 4th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
*clinks beer bottle
January 4th, 2014 at 6:36 pm
didn’t someone say glennon was like alex smith?
I don’t think so. and smith average about 5 yrds/rush
January 4th, 2014 at 6:37 pm
Man this is sad are u going to keep scouring the internet to find everyone that agree with your views come on Joe you are better then that!
Sorry you don’t know how to read English. You also have quite an imagination. –Joe
January 4th, 2014 at 6:55 pm
I’m watching this KC game wishing we traded for Alex smith not Revis !
January 4th, 2014 at 6:57 pm
The guy is balling with half the offence we have Charles is out btw if you not watching went down at te 11 minute mark of the first quarter
January 4th, 2014 at 7:02 pm
It isn’t how many CBs you can get for the money, it what does this CB give you for the money, not just in playing but in leadership.
You can get a lot of QBs that are almost like Patton or Brady, but they are not them.
So let the new coaches look at what they have and see what they do in both free agency and the draft and then on the field, because until they do something, we know nothing, only guesses.
January 4th, 2014 at 7:04 pm
I think that just proves with good coaching you could win with an average QB. I don’t get this reaching for a QB every draft hoping we find the next Brady or manning..lol those are once in a decade athletes. All it does is create instability in your team.pick a QB and stick with them too many fans wanting instant success
January 4th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
@GABA
Don’t say that whatever you do. Last year I said lets trade for Alex Amith, you would thought I was In Baghdad or something..geesh
January 4th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
*Smith
January 4th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
Man I was just thinking we should have got him lol
Imagine what Tedford could do with Alex
January 4th, 2014 at 7:14 pm
@PRBucFan
Would be a good look.
January 4th, 2014 at 7:19 pm
Ooo by the way always got that GAMMA-AMINO BUTYRIC ACID powder on deck. Must have for the post workout regimen…lol
January 4th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
February 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am
@Joe
Do you think Bucs should bring in Alex Smith to challenge Freeman?
LUVMYBUCS Says:
February 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am
*Source(Rotoworld)
-Alex Smith’s Contract:
3/20/2012: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $9 million guaranteed — an initial roster bonus of $3 million, all of Smith’s 2012 base salary, and $1 million of his 2013 salary. Another $9 million is available through incentives, though $5.25 million of them are “unlikely to be earned.” An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available. 2012: $5 million, 2013: $7.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due in March), 2014: $7.5 million, 2015: Free Agent
LUVMYBUCS Says:
February 4th, 2013 at 11:28 am
70% passer before the concussion . Ran the spread offense under head coach Urban Meyer. Probably takes a fourth- or fifth-round pick to pry him away….I’m Just saying…Luv Free, but he seriously needs the competition.
January 4th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
Smh..Need to go ahead in put me in the personnel Dept..lol
January 4th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
Good call ahaha
January 4th, 2014 at 7:31 pm
@PRBucFan
hahahaha. Raise my glass 2 that one bro
January 4th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Yes sir, cheers*
January 4th, 2014 at 7:33 pm
cheers bro
January 4th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
Revis is worth the money. He will be fine in Lovies defense. Legitimate shutdown corners are few and far between. It would be idiotic to let him go. The defense will be great with a few upgrades.
January 4th, 2014 at 7:52 pm
All you dumb buc fans will be crying and complaining if revis was gone and our defense goes back to 32 in league. Wa wa wa how come we don’t have a good corner you would be saying. Revis is why the QB held the ball longer and we got more sacks, revis is why we the qb had to go to second option. Revis is why we could double team other receivers. He was worth every penny if we didn’t spend it you would cry why we don’t sign top FA. If you guys try to run him out enjoy banks and , Johnson getting torched ..
January 4th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
Lovie is to smart and not as stubborn as dungy. Dallas adjusted when they got Deion. Man on his side zone on the other. Great coaches don’t let talent like that slip by that would make them idiots. Ga
Me is too evolved and qb friendly for Tampa two u have to get more man coverage.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:01 pm
This is a tweet from Rick Stroud posted shortly after Schiano and Dominik were fired.
Rick Stroud @NFLSTROUD 30 Dec
The #Bucs decision to fire Schiano and Dominik came down to 2 main things: No return on a huge investment in free agents and Darrelle Revis
Joe has already voiced his skepticism as to the validity of Stroud’s tweet. But what if it’s not an opinion, but in fact a reason expressed by the Glazers. To be fair, Stroud never made that assertion, but nobody has come forward in the media to dispute it either.
I say all of that to say this. The disposition of Revis’ contract may not be up to Lovie Smith, but mandated by the Glazers. I’m not going to fashion a guess. But we are all likely to know before March 13th, 3 days following the opening of the 2014 NFL league year, the date by which the 4th round pick that we gave for Revis turns into a 3rd round pick if Revis is on the roster.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:05 pm
I hear ya Mac
I just don’t think Glazers had that kinda leverage with Lovie if they wanted him as bad as thye did and in fact he loves Revis as much as has been said.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
To be fair, Stroud never made that assertion, but nobody has come forward in the media to dispute it either.
——————-
Thats most likely because they are to busy with other things (hiring staff?) to dispute silly rumors that would instantly make this defense worse.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:11 pm
lol nevermind i read that wrong. But who in the media could dispute what is going on in the front office? right now its all rumors.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
All
You fans wishing we had Smith at QB. Do you remember a couple years ago he had a ridiculous game to beat the Saints only to play like crap the following week? He is what he is. He doesn’t carry a team.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:19 pm
When it comes to the issue of Glennon it is Cosell that should be skeptical of Joe…not the other way around.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:26 pm
What a game!
January 4th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
17 Million in cap room for 2014. Restructure Revis down to 12 mil, Cut Davin Joseph, restructure Penn from 6 mil to 4 mil. This would free up an additional 12 million for a total of 29 million to spend on DE(2), CB (depth) and OL replacements.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
@Vern4499
He’s won games against Top Tier QB’s, and teams over .500
Solid game manager, who doesn’t turnover the ball much lately.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:29 pm
Chiefs / Colts. What a game! Here I am thinking I got spoiled yesterday with the great Bowl games.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
Luvmybucs,
He is inconsistent week to week. Not like he goes out and wins them games. They had the best D when they won 9 in a row. When D started to struggle they went 2-5 down the stretch. He’s not that good.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:34 pm
damn…these football games this week have been stupid good. let’s hope it continues through monday!
January 4th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
this ain’t 2002 anymore….what defense? lol 😉
January 4th, 2014 at 8:36 pm
u need a very good qb nowadays.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:43 pm
@Vern4499
I’m not saying he’s the best QB out there. Just that he wins games of late. I remember Jim Plunkett’s career started off slow as well.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
@lurker
And one astute play caller
January 4th, 2014 at 8:49 pm
Donnie Abraham was our best corner ever in cover two system and we lost him in the cover two and we lost him in his prime. Revis can handle it because he will have plenty of opportunities at many interceptions.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
shouldn’t the nfl investigate when good teams tank?
indy for luck…after having peyton.
atl for clowney.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
That is why we need to do whatever we can to get the best QB in this draft.
Looks like we can hire Ballard after all with the Chiefs losing lol.
January 4th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
Would be embarrassed to cheer for either KC or Indy defense. Gawd! They are awful today! We played better defense this year!
Would like their offenses, though
The league has changed since we won the SuperBowl- it’s much more pass oriented. Leslie Frazier will be thrilled to work with Revis.
We have 3 great defenders( McCoy,David,Revis), two above average( Foster, Goldson), and a bunch of average smucks.
Several MAY improve( Banks,Bowers,Clayborn)
Revis is the best CB in football. You don’t trade the best player on your team- over money you don’t need!
What? Are you guys on crack? You want to improve by getting rid of your best player?? That’s stupid, even for this post- where stupidity runs rampant!
January 4th, 2014 at 8:55 pm
I digress, back to Revis. All I’m saying is that -its a long season. The QUALITY of your overall DEPTH, and of course good coaching. Will determined If your playing in January.
You don’t want $16 million tied up in one guy (especially one recovering from ACL).When you can spread the love across the roster. I’m mean just look at this game. Guys are falling like flies. Think about that, one guy. When you can 3 that put comparable stats he put up this year.Hmmmm
+Draft pick(s)
+we get our 3rd
Once again, its a win win in my book
January 4th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
* I mean
January 4th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
As good as the Chiefs defense has been. Just look at their notable injuries. That’s why they are struggling in this game. You need quality depth to win.
January 4th, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Don’t Bucs want to hire KC staff guy for GM? So we should want Colts to win?
January 4th, 2014 at 9:01 pm
How about we look at Revis this way:
We keep him…..he’s at 100% and he anchors a great defense.
We cut him…..we save $16m to acquire 3 or 4 good players and upgrade from a 4th to 3rd round pick.
The picks we spent on him are spent….history, so they are no longer in the equation…yes it would hurt to get no return on them….but that happens all the time in sports.
January 4th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
Yup, Ballard can now come home top us 😀
January 4th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
to*
January 4th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
There you go. With a great QB you are never out of it. We need that. We have never had that.
January 4th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
@Capt. Tim
Lol, Best player on the TEAM. That tilt belong to either Lavonte David or GMC. Not Revis
January 4th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
Not good enough to back up YOUR claim revis isn’t worth that kind of money. Please stop making up stuff about Joe. –Joe
I say he is as long as he isn’t preventing us from signing our own free agents or until his skills diminish he’s not worth it, coming off knee surgery I think he will be even better, get rid of this young guy for An old Julius peppers? Nah his contract is payable for one simple reason…..Even if we draft our franchise qb this year or next were not paying for one which is why his contract is affordable, I still want tillman but damn write something worthy off reading like how Leonard Johnson should be done in Tampa, how adam hayward reached his peak and should have been gone long time ago…Lol no you wanna write about two or our players players being gone in Clayborn and revis….@JOE you’re walking a fine line between trying to strike fame and sounding foolish….pure guesswork cuz you or Greg cossell have any idea what kind of way they’ll tweak this defense…Tampa 2 had been figured out and can be torched, I’m sure we’re gonna run something hybrid since we stopped running Tampa two in like 05
January 4th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
I think I saw Chris Ballard run across the field with two suitcases!
January 4th, 2014 at 9:09 pm
LOL Oh ao that’s who that was 😀
January 4th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Nothing short of Peyton Manning could have succeeded in our floundering and ineffective offensive scheme.
Luvmybucs is right, for a change. All the scary Ds in the league are built on the backs of the DL. Bengals, Panthers, and Rams have invested early in the draft and financially on their front 4. This is how a good D is built. Not through the secondary!
January 4th, 2014 at 9:16 pm
The Bucs Aren’t paying a Qb 20 m a Yr Either. We have th
January 4th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
@ Mumbles
Good One 🙂
January 4th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
Both Luck and Smith make our QB look like a rank amateur.
January 4th, 2014 at 9:59 pm
and then 2 of the top 5 offenses score “0” in the first quarter.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:00 pm
anyone who doesn’t agree with you is “censored” or cant read the English language or needs a baby sitter….you don’t like Glennon, or Smith or Tedford or Frazier…so your whole site is turning into a Manziel or bust orgy. you are taking yourself way to seriously, but because you get occasional air time and have a site, your opinion is now the intellectual voice of reason among Buc fans, and you obviously know what’s wrong with the Bucs but offer nothing but criticism. Cmon lay your cards down so you can be judged like everyone else.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Come on Eric,
I’m watching the Saints/Eagles game and tonight there isn’t an ounce of difference between Foles and Glennon – looks like twins. If the Eagles can win with this stiff lumbering dude, we can win with Glennon. The only difference I see is that Foles is getting more time to throw the ball.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
Mike Glennon got no help…..only one player(not on IR) would start for another NFL team….VJax…….ONE!!!
I think the coaching restricted him from taking any chances at all…..way too conservative….no running game…..not a chance.
Give this guy a decent 3rd WR…a blocking/recieving TE & some coaching and see what happens.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
Right TBBF…and Jackson is not exactly a speed burner anymore.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
nice excuses…blah, blah, blah
he cannot carry a team to a win. he cannot scramble. Sammy Watkins would be a waste because he can not throw it to him deep.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Foles has the highest QB rating in history.
But, a product of Chip Kelly’s system.
Maybe if we had Chip Glennon could flourish.
Nah, I doubt it.
Either way we need to draft one. At 7, or trade up.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:18 pm
our qb would not start for another nfl team…lol
works both ways.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
I am tired of serviceable quarterbacks. I need a hero!
I’m holding out for a hero
‘Til the end of the night
He’s gotta be strong
And he’s gotta be fast
And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero, I’m holding out for a hero
‘Til the morning light
He’s gotta be sure
And it’s gotta be soon
And he’s gotta be larger than life
*Bonnie Tyler – I Need A Hero Lyrics | MetroLyrics
January 4th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
I don’t have a problem picking up a QB in FA or drafting a QB….just not sure we need to use a first round pick for one….I think Glennon will improve greatly with coaching/experience/weapons.
If we do use the first round pick….we need to make sure it is Bridgewater/Bortles/Carr
It is possible that we could get one at 7, but unlikely.
I’m not sold on Johnny Football..
January 4th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
mental pressure or the cold is getting to brees
January 4th, 2014 at 10:29 pm
I like manziel. but I think there is the combine and pro day workouts. but I have no say and have to believe in the scouts/coaches/ where’s the gm will pick who is best for us.
i’m am hoping this will be the highest pick we will have for awhile and qb’s don’t slide like Rodgers did very often.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:29 pm
That Carr kid plays at Fresno State, where I believe our new OC coached at one time.
May mean nuttin but you never know.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
The Bucs have a ton of cap room and will probably have more after releasing Nicks and/or Joseph. All this talk about Revis is silly, its not our $$$ and the Glazers knew what they were doing when they gave him the contract less than a year ago. Lovie wants him on his defense so all the speculation is moot.
Side note with Glennon being on a rookie deal, you can afford to overpay for an elite player such as Revis and by the time Glennon or another QB is up for a big $$ deal, players like Revis and Jackson will be on his way out due to age and a decline in performance
January 4th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
glennon could not have made that throw.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Ballard’s executive experience and education seems kinda thin. I don’t doubt him ability to be a talent evaluator it’s the contracts, cap and general football operations that concerns me. Anybody hear who might be the president?
January 4th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
i’m in bulldog country. they played over their heads, but carr is for real. he does make boneheaded throws though. they sucks versus usc.
after watching the manziel miracle, I believe that is what our offense needs. luck did the same thing today.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
actually Glennon made that exact same TD throw against the 49’ers
January 4th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Not everyone starts a seasoned vet, all GM’s were hired for the “first time” at some point.
He’s one of the better up and coming potential GM’s who has a very impressive resume with an eye for talent and ability to make trades. (personnel moves)as he also showed in Chicago.
Most importantly he knows the way Lovie ticks and they share the same views.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
I like the picture of Revis laughing on the bench. The Bucs were probably losing by 28 points at the time.
Revis be like: Hey dawg where’s my check?
January 4th, 2014 at 10:41 pm
Manning isn’t mobile either!
Peyton Manning Rookie Stats 26 TDs 28 Ints 71.2 rtg
Mike Glennon Rookie Stats 19 TDs 9 Ints 83.9 rtg
Anyone who claims with absolute certainty that Mike Glennon doesn’t have the potential to be a great QB is an absolute fool.
I’m not saying he will…just saying we don’t know!!!
January 4th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
Glennon faced the # 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 7, 8, 13, 15 defenses this year (based on ppg). Why no mention of the Bucs SOS or the fact that 8 of Glennon’s 13 starts were against the top 8 Defenses in the NFL? I’ve seen at least 10 articles about a player that is not on our team(Manziel), yet I cannot recall an article detailing the rarity of a .574 strength of schedule. This isn’t about excuses, this is about creating a well-informed fan base. You want to know the defenses that Nick Foles faced? # 32, 31, 31, 29, 26, 26, 24, 21, 18, 15, 7.
Who Glennon faced doesn’t change what Glennon is, and it doesn’t break down pass defense versus run defense and dozens of other variables. Points per game also is only one way to grade a defense. Stats only tell part of a story. Also, Joe’s written numerous times about the Bucs’ strength of schedule. –Joe
January 4th, 2014 at 10:44 pm
It doesn’t matter who plays QB when the line can’t make a block. They were probably all laughing on the other end of the bench.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
Jordan that is a crazy good point
January 4th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
Give the King a break, he’s on vacation in Hawaii. He’ll get back to playing golf on Monday.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
I’m not absolutely certain about anything, except that Glennon can’t possibly lead us to the SB or even playoffs.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:54 pm
No one knows who Glennon is yet, that’s fact.
To act like that can be concluded based on a rookie season in that gel of a situation he was put in is ridiculous.
That’s my opinion.
I want a QB drafted but it doesn’t change that fact.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
hell*
January 4th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
so that’s why he didn’t win games because of the defenses…based on ppg? he can’t get a 300 yard game, can’t carry the team, can’t move to save his life. we need a real qb. glennon never earned the job.
you are a fool to think that he will be better than peyton manning based on rookie seasons, which is what you are saying since you keep posting it. the teams were different so there is no comparison.
funny how most of you were complaining when people stated no recievers, no o-line, bad playcalling for josh freeman, even as a rookie. lol
January 4th, 2014 at 11:00 pm
@ Eric
So, you’re saying that Mike Glennon doesn’t have the potential of Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer & a host of other QBs that have taken their teams to the SB?
Anyone who claims to know anything with absolute certainty (exception for the sun rising type knowledge) is a fool.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
I started calling for Free Free’s head after his third season but I hear where your coming from Lurker.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:02 pm
the only player on a team that should make 16 million or more should be the Qb!!!!and nobody knows what Glennon can do or how far you can get with him! if Dillfer and Grossman can get there anyone can! we got there with Brad!
January 4th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
ah don’t start this crap, let the proven NFL coach figure it out, not us hacks.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
all I want is a qb with the first pick or 2 to compete. we will not pick this high, hopefully, in the coming years. no one person is can’t miss in the draft, so why not pick a qb? a speed receiver, de, oline is easier to get in freeagency or drafts in the coming years.
if glennon outplays the rookie, great, we have a ryan mallet/kirk cousins type of situation. since jeff tedford is the oc, I believe they will get a young qb to compete with the giraffe.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
@andres
what, you don’t think the bucs’ brass or coaches read this site? you’re crazy! 😉
January 4th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
only a QB should make that much!
January 4th, 2014 at 11:06 pm
Eric,
I’m with you on Glennon. I don’t see it either.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:07 pm
I totally agree with that Lurk
I want a QB with the first pick, unless they pull off some kind of unexpected trade/FA Signing for a legit QB
January 4th, 2014 at 11:25 pm
look…most fans think that we will go 7-9, or 8-8. we will not make the playoffs in 2014. it takes a qb longer to learn the nfl than other positions. with our fairly high pick we can get a qb and both him and glennon will get a year under the new offense.
we can pick te, oline, dline, receiver in next year’s draft when we are further down and they can have an impact right away and our qb’s will have had a year under the new system.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:32 pm
Coach Dungy said it best last season that we are building our defense backwards. Start with the pass rush. We’re stupid if we don’t draft a pass rushing DE in the first round. And enough about Johnny Football. He’s a great college QB but he won’t be able to get away with half of what he does in the NFL
January 4th, 2014 at 11:41 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
February 26th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
IMPROVE THE PASS RUSH..AND BIG THINGS WILL HAPPEN
Eli Manning has been in the league for 8yrs. And half of those years, his passing percentage has been below 60%. Half of those 8yrs; New York Media & Fans have pleading for the organization to move in a different direction without Eli.
The Giants have won Not 1 but 2 Super Bowls with a monster pass rush. You ask the causal Giants fan; name the starting defensive backs on those teams. You will get S*#t I don’t know. Now Ask them about that pass rush(aka Tree Trunks per Brady). They will quickly spit out Osi ,Tuck, JPP, and Kiwi. That’s because, pass rush will neutralize the best of QB’s and yes wins Championships!!!
January 5th, 2014 at 12:02 am
Joe, so then why do you mention our 32nd ranked offense so much? 32nd ranked offense based on yards, points, disdain for the coach, dislike of the QB? When you say 32nd ranked offense, I believe you, I watched every game and came away with the assumption that we were close to the worst. You helpfully reaffirmed this notion by using your stat.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:53 am
We do have the worst offense.
January 5th, 2014 at 11:56 am
The days of overpaying free agents to come here didn’t change for very long, ever since gruden turned into the oldest team in the league we’ve been going nowhere which it’s went we overpay, no needed to overpay for free agents but knowing revis he’d gladly get cut and take less to go play for a super bowl contender, teams that are consistently last in the division can’t make that caliber player take a pay cut……hmm wonder why sapp didn’t finish his career here
January 5th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
I’m sick of this Revis talk. We have him and we’re going to use him. BACK OFF!
January 5th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
After watching the Orange Bowl, I became a believer in the Bucs picking Watkins with their first round pick, he reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald, and who wouldn’t want a guy like that running alongside Jackson and Williams? 2nd round should be DE help, 4th round TE.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
‘They won’t do a thing with Revis this year. They’ll let this year play out, see how he fits in Lovie’s scheme, and then make a decision next year.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
Also, I like the Smith hire and think he’s the right HC for this team. The one question I have though has he learned from his past that because he is a really good defensive minded coach, defense comes natural to him. Therefore, has he learned that he must purposely focus on building an offense? If so, that’s why my previous comment about picking Watkins and a TE would prove he has in fact learned from his past.
January 5th, 2014 at 6:50 pm
Revis is worth the money he’s getting. It’s rare that a big play in favor of the offense happened when he was covering the WR man to man. Our biggest concerns are the other corners and safety not knowing their assignment and making bad decision in coverage.
Revis is doing his part despite being injured. Getting rid of Revis is very counter productive like Schiano’s stunts or defensive end covering speedy WRs and RBs. I can see if we was talking about Albert Haynesworth type of productions or impact. Revis provided opportunities for others to make plays and made qbs hesitant to throw his way.
There isn’t anyone stupid enough nor have cap space to trade for Revis. Stupid as in, a gm clearly see we don’t want him but, can have him at a cheaper cost, if he was cut.
If someone doesn’t deserve their contract, then the O line is a great start. The O line sucks for over 5 years. smh. That unit needs a big shake up. Our guards and Center play has been very bad. I would try to get a center and move Zuttah to guard. He’s solid there. Find a future replacement for Joseph and Nick asap. I like Jospeh personally. But, it’s obvious that his peak has passed.
Sadly I think Dominik wouldn’t notice the trend to fix a future problem. We still don’t have a back up for McCoy if he’s goes down. And we was without McCoy two straight years. Dom is a good guy don’t get me wrong. He just didn’t plan for the future with the lack of depth all over the team.
If anything I hate about the Revis deal, then I would say the lack poker being played by Domink. He should had signed Brent Grimes (who played well this year.) and another cornerback to drive down the cost of a 1st and a 3rd pick. We was basically the only team that could handle Revis contract. If the Jets seen that we are close to not needing Revis, then there was a great shot to get Revis for a lesser pick or picks. Imagine having Revis, Sheldon Richardson, and Banks. Or Revis, Grimes, Richardson/ Star, Furia TE UCLA. Glennon would have been there in the 4th.
The O line and DEs are one of the reason why our team is watching the Playoff. I told you guys last off season that it the d line that makes the corners and safety looks good. Coverage sack are much rare and harder to do, than a sack from the front 7 or front 4. Now mostly everyone saying we need to get to the QB.