Quarterbacks Will Coach Quarterbacks
January 4th, 2014
As Lovie Smith’s assistants are revealed, it appears he has a QB philosophy different from Greg Schiano’s.
One of the most stunning phenomena in the NFL is the fact that some teams have quarterbacks coaches who never played quarterback.
Think about that for a minute.
Under the New Schiano Order, both Greg Schiano and former QB coach John McNulty were firm in their belief that quarterback mechanics didn’t need to be taught and stressed at the NFL level.
Joe asked both about it and got the same answer; if you make it to the NFL, then you know how to throw a football and it’s not the time to start messing with a delivery.
It’s funny how Major League Baseball pitchers and pitching coaches will stress adjusting release points and lower body mechanics (and much more) all the time, but somehow that kind of teaching is taboo for certain NFL teams.
Under Lovie Smith, the Bucs will have quarterbacks coaching quarterbacks.
Offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford was as successful quarterback for Fresno State and played six seasons in the CFL. And today, good guy Alex Marvez, of SiriusXM NFL Radio and FOX, is reporting that former San Jose State QB and Southern Miss offensive coordinator Marcus Arroyo will coach quarterbacks for the Bucs. Arroyo, 33, worked with Tedford at the University of California as QBs coach and passing game coordinator.
Joe thinks this is excellent. Joe suspects Johnny Football Mike Glennon and whatever other young QBs the Bucs might bring in will learn quite a bit.
In other assistants chatter, per ProFootballTalk.com, Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times mentioned that former Bears running backs coach Tim Spencer is in line for that gig with Tampa Bay, and Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune says longtime NFL assistant Kevin O’Dea, who worked with Lovie Smith in Tampa and Chicago, will also be a Bucs special teams coach.
January 4th, 2014 at 10:57 pm
Since Tedford has no NFL experience, would have liked to see a QB coach wilth some but will remain cautiously optimistic. Want to see other assistants as well.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
Thought the Bucs had a good special teams coach already.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
I posted this under the Revis article….more appropriate here.
Many are down on Glennon because he lacks mobility….and perhaps because he doesn’t look the part.
Manning isn’t mobile either!
Peyton Manning Rookie Stats 26 TDs 28 Ints 71.2 rtg
Mike Glennon Rookie Stats 19 TDs 9 Ints 83.9 rtg
Anyone who claims with absolute certainty that Mike Glennon doesn’t have the potential to be a great QB is an absolute fool.
I’m not saying he will…just saying we don’t know!!!
January 4th, 2014 at 11:13 pm
I’m with you Tampabaybucfan. I don’t know how people can be so absolutely certain that he can’t lead this team to success, while also being absolutely certain that another rookie or veteran can do better. And I’m so happy that we got coaches that aren’t complete idiots. I would argue that throwing mechanics need even MORE emphasis at the NFL level.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:17 pm
These stats lie. Manning posted those numbers pushing the ball down the field trying to keep his terrible team in games. Glennon posted his numbers with a much better team but with play calls that were mostly high percentage plays…which was stupid because we were constantly behind. Glennon rarely made, or was even asked, the kind of throws an NFL starter would normally make. He got a lot of his stats by throwing checkdowns while the other team was in prevent mode. Don’t let the numbers lie to you, he showed very little in terms of ever being a franchise QB.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:20 pm
wow Brandon. but common sense isn’t common ’round these parts!
January 4th, 2014 at 11:25 pm
I agree Tampabaybcsfan, Noone should be counting out Glennon just yet. With that being said, I would play it safe any do whatever it takes to get THE BEST QB in the draft this year and let them compete through training camp/preseason. I like Glennon, and think there is potential there, but do we really want to ride the potential train for another 5 years?????? I say we draft some insurance and then go offense the rest of the draft unless there is someone sitting there on defense too good to pass up. We need offensive weapons.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:27 pm
Drew Brees 2nd year (rookie yr only 1 game) 17 16 76.9
Tom Brady 2nd year (rookie y only 1 game) 18 12 86.5
Eli Manning 6 9 55.4
Glennon was a true rookie….many QBs get to sit a year or 2 before playing…..Aaron Rogers sat 3 years behind Farve.
Give this kid some credit and a chance and let his coaches decide his fate.
Why wouldn’t you root for a young 3rd rounder who isn’t costing us much & is under contract for 3 years?
Oh….Josh Freeman Rookie……10 Tds 18 Ints 59.8 rtg
And we gave Freeman 4+ years!!!
January 4th, 2014 at 11:30 pm
well, hell…I guess we’re posting here now…lol
joe needs to have a “playoff open thread.”
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all I want is a qb with the first pick or 2 to compete. we will not pick this high, hopefully, in the coming years. no one person is can’t miss in the draft, so why not pick a qb? a speed receiver, de, oline is easier to get in freeagency or drafts in the coming years.
if glennon outplays the rookie, great, we have a ryan mallet/kirk cousins type of situation. since jeff tedford is the oc, I believe they will get a young qb to compete with the giraffe.
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look…most fans think that we will go 7-9, or 8-8. we will not make the playoffs in 2014. it takes a qb longer to learn the nfl than other positions. with our fairly high pick we can get a qb and both him and glennon will get a year under the new offense.
we can pick te, oline, dline, receiver in next year’s draft when we are further down and they can have an impact right away and our qb’s will have had a year under the new system.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:39 pm
@brandon the thing is glennon was at his best pushing the ball down the field..not sayin he is the answer but he does deserve the chance with more than one reciever
January 4th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
I don’t have a problem drafting a QB….but at what price…..trade up & give up 3 number 1s like Washington?
Let the draft come to us…if a great prospect falls to us….take him and let them compete….we need a good backup regardless. It just will put more pressure on our FA acquisitions. We desperately need players at several positions.
WR, TE, O-line, DE, CB
I like the idea of trading down for extra picks.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
Anybody see the slightest smidgen of Manning in Glennon.
I sure as heck didn’t.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Personally I think Bridgewater is much better than RGIII
January 4th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
@ Brandon
Glennon wasn’t permitted to push the ball down the field….he was restricted by his coaches who played not to lose.
We haven’t seen the real Mike Glennon…..you should watch some of his College highlighs….
!996 Colts 3-13
2013 Bucs 4-12 Not much difference!
January 4th, 2014 at 11:53 pm
Lmao Glennon compared to Manning, even Manning as rookie? Pass to the left hand side! Lmao! I saw enough.
January 4th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
Oh and here is a gem, can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, lmao!
January 4th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
the rams will not get what they got from the redskins. what about what neworleans/ditka did for ricky williams? isn’t that worse?
January 4th, 2014 at 11:59 pm
seriously tbbf? you say no one knows what we have in glennon but then you say you know what the coaching staff asked of him. then you say look at his college highlights after arguing about manziel’s highlights weren’t in the nfl. and you keep comparing glennon to manning. wtf dude.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:00 am
Blame for offensive failure 40percent coaching/playcalling,25percent no running game/oline,20percent lack of talent,15percent a rookie QB with nothin to work with..can u please give the kid a chance..he didnt have much of one this year
January 5th, 2014 at 12:02 am
lol…where do you all come up with this stuff? nice percentages. why not 100% giraffe? I am just showing how ridiculous pulling stuff out of the air like that is.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:05 am
i don’t think our receivers should be playing duck hunt with those deep passes of his.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:08 am
@LURKER
I think Manziel will be injured often as an NFLQB….
And as far as what his coaches wanted….you could tell the way Schiano was over fumbles that interceptions fell into the same category..
January 5th, 2014 at 12:09 am
An he can throw rolling left see SeattleTim wright an tiquan td he rolled left so he can..maybe he didnt because it wasnt there some of u talk like u watch game film..I went to home games recievers were not open
often
January 5th, 2014 at 12:12 am
Not actual percentages obviously cmon man, jus painting a picture off how I see the blame should be layed
January 5th, 2014 at 12:26 am
its like indians tracking indians
January 5th, 2014 at 12:27 am
Get Clowney or Mathews in the 1st round. not flashy pics but they both revolve around our QB or the opposing QB. I would almost put my house on the line to say the QB from South Carolina (can’t think of his name right now) will have his draft stock shoot through the roof after the combine, I would predict a early to mid 2nd round pick for him. Go after Decker in FA for WR the dude runs around a 4.4 40.
Can anyone imagine Clowney and Clayborn on our ends with Gholston, Means and Bowers rotating? I put Bowers at the end of that list for a reason. OR having Mathews at LT and Penn at RT with Decker running precise routes and sretching the field along with VJax, MW19 and Wright at TE.
Connor Shaw (Kid from South Carolina) has that mobility and gunslinger mindset that Tedford likes which Joe posted before while drooling over Manziel. Give Glennon the confidence of knowing he will be coming in as starter with just enough rope to hang himself while Shaw is learning to be a pro, the playbook and get his mechanics down. I don’t think you can go wrong with that situation.
Sorry for the novel.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:29 am
well, well, well
arguably, the better qb’s won today…
but having a good kicker helps too, lol
January 5th, 2014 at 12:31 am
SC QB…..Boyd
January 5th, 2014 at 12:36 am
Boyd always melts under pressure, please no lol
January 5th, 2014 at 12:37 am
Freeman looked good:
Glennon looks like a giraffe:
Don’t be fooled by looks!!!
Freeman (rookie yr) 10 18 59.8
Glennon 19 9 83.9
January 5th, 2014 at 12:41 am
Clemson QB Boyd? Either way, I vote no on proposition Boyd. Johnny Football or get Murray later.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:41 am
Not Boyd. Shaw. Boyd is from Clemson isn’t he? Not being a smart ass honestly don’t know.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:44 am
BASICALLY …nobody knows anything right now. I’m befuddled as to why or how any Buc fan can have discussions at this point in time. I guess that’s what the comments section is for, but seriously.
So many fans just keep throwing this and that out there, when they have no clue right now as to what is or might happen next with our team. I’m in a fog right now, but some of you want to make believe like your not right there next to me.
Right now this team needs serious help from top to bottom as far as I’m concerned. Let’s just wait and see, especially after this nightmare season. YOU that’s right YOU, don’t know a damn thing right now about what’s going to happen with our team. Will Lovie improve the team? Speculate all you want, hope all you want, get excited for it as if this past season taught you nothing about tempering your feelings towards our team. Me I’m holding my breath. That’s what this past season taught me. It may look yummy and have lots of whipped cream, but don’t get fired up, until you taste the pudding.
I’m not trying to discourage anyone from posting on JBF, but it has been getting a little silly over the last 3 days or so.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:49 am
Glennon in 2014 might equal Winston in 2015. That’s my speculation. So I say go with Glennon for now. Hell I’m just rolling dice these days, but again I have no clue.
The again…judging by this past season, I’m TOTALLY clueless.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:50 am
Drew Brees 2nd year (rookie yr only 1 gm) 17 16 76.9
January 5th, 2014 at 12:52 am
Glennon’s stats look as good as many top QB’s rookie stats.
Fans poke fun at Glennon’s “Giraffe-like” frame…
Don’t be fooled by looks!!!
January 5th, 2014 at 12:52 am
Matthew Stafford (rookie yr) 13 20 61.0
And he just got a huge payday!!!
January 5th, 2014 at 12:53 am
1gr8buc…no but whatever it is your taking that makes you think you have a clue what is going to happen down the line with the Bucs, I want some. Because that has to be some powerful delusional shyte.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:55 am
TBBF You should know better than to argue with Armchair GMs and talent Evaluators. They learn so much sitting from there sofa and watching the big screen. I’m sure they’ve turned down plenty of NFL jobs due to there superior knowledge just because they can Lol.
To funny to listen to these people act like they were sent here from god to educate us.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:55 am
Don’t be surprised if Lovie told the Glazers “You’ve got your QB”…. I imagine he checked in with Tedford on that….
I’m not saying that happened…..just possible.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:57 am
If you could read i never said any of that was going to happen. Just a good scenario if it would happen. Not once did I say THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL DO or anything along those lines. Just a couple ideas of what could happen or what I would like to see happen. Have a drink, take a deep breath and relax buddy.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:59 am
@ Couch
Eric said earlier that he was “absolutely certain” that Glennon could not take the Bucs to a Superbowl..
I asked…so, you don’t think he has the talent of Brad Johnson, Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer or a host of other QBs that made it”
I, of course, got no response.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:00 am
I would imagine Lovie would than say I’ll see of myself and let Jeff tell me what he thinks as well because no offense but Detriot sure looks nice right about now 😛
lol No but for real, If Glennon can win out after we get legit competition for him great I’m all for him I like the kid but I won’t be for crowning anyone the way we crowned Free.
1987 ahahaha
January 5th, 2014 at 1:01 am
Oh my bad I read it as Glazers told Lovie lol
January 5th, 2014 at 1:02 am
I dont think anyone wants to crown anyone. But I do think Glennon has earned the right to start next year. And drafting a QB in the 1st round, would automatically make him the starter and there will be no competition. That’s the only problem I have with drafting one 1st, anywhere else I’m perfectly fine with.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:04 am
No annointments or crowning from me either…Glennon should have competition…..I’m all for that….but not necessarily a 1st round pick.
I think we should let the draft come to us and see who’s available…and that is after we exhaust FAx.
Nighty-Night!!!
January 5th, 2014 at 1:05 am
1. there is no god….doh
2. you are on the couch like the rest of us….doh
3. the rookie records are meaningless! so you want glennon over those other qb’s? bullspit!
January 5th, 2014 at 1:07 am
1. Yes but im not running my mouth claiming I know anything for a fact DOH!!!
2. That would be you! Doh!
3. Read 1 and 2 again. Slowly. DOH!!
January 5th, 2014 at 1:07 am
1gr8buc…relax yourself buddy. Where in my post did I mention YOU? I’m talking about MANY people. You rate yourself too high.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:08 am
@ lURKER
Of course I wouldn’t choose Glennon over them…but that is an insane comparison….they have a career’s body of work….Glennon is still a rookie.
I believe that stats are meaningful when you have nothing else….and you have nothing else but your opinion…..
January 5th, 2014 at 1:10 am
Oh….Lurker…..I would choose Glennon over Freeman…and I think his price is much better!!!
January 5th, 2014 at 1:12 am
glennon hasn’t earned the right to get water…lol. see, you all say we don’t know what we are talking about because we don’t know about glennon, and yet you say you know he has earned the right to start.
seriously. we need a qb with the first pick because we won’t get one with the 15th pick next year. and if you don’t think that tedford/lovie would have an open competition between 2 young qb’s because one is picked in the first round, why? they both will be at year one with the new offense anyways.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:12 am
Is there anybody in there right mind that would choose Freeman over Glennon at this point?
January 5th, 2014 at 1:14 am
But I do think Glennon has earned the right to start next year.
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^^^ copy and pasted from my previous post.
I said I think. See, i dont claim to know anything. Slow down and read buddy.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:15 am
but your stats are meaningless because there are too many variables! hello…the teams were different, the competition was different, the coaching was different. your inference is there that glennon is better than the other qb’s…that is your premise. it is meaningless, so please stop.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:15 am
I watched Glennon, after the season.
Positives- the guy has a very strong arm. Can make sideline throws that many Pros can’t. He is very smart, and makes good decisions. He seldom makes stupid throws. He is very accurate on all sort to mid level throws. Has quick release, and decisive with throws. Has surprising mobility, and has good pocket awareness. Can roll out of trouble, and still maintain awareness of passing options
These are talents that can win in the NFL.
Negatives- long ball seems to float, and arrives without velocity.
My biggest concern- his first half stats are always better than 2nd half. He seems to disappear in the 4th quarter.
Great QBs excell in the 4th quarter
I think we draft a QB- if one falls to us.
Not at all afraid to go into next season with Glennon.
He has skills.
Many say that with Brees, Newton, and Ryan- we need a great QB.
Sorry fellas- those guys aren’t in this draft. And no QB in this draft rates out as high as Ryan and Newton did.
Glennon isn’t drew Brees. He isn’t chopped liver, either.
He might just make a big step this offseason. He’s worth giving a chance
January 5th, 2014 at 1:17 am
@Brandon
You are out of your mind if you think the band of misfits that were the Bucs Offense this year was better then the 1998 Indianapolis Colts Offense. Let me refresh your memory. 1998 the Colts had a running back go for 1300+ yards on the ground and 908 yards receiving by the name of Marshall Faulk, He had 86 receptions that year. That sounds like a lot of “Check Downs”. Payton also had another Hall of Famer on that Offense in 1998 his name was Marvin Harrison! He did only play 12 games but still had 59 receptions for almost 800 yards. I’m sorry to tell you Brandon, Payton had weapons in 1998 Certainly more skilled weapons then the likes of Bobby Rainey, Tiquan Underwood, Eric Page, Chris Owusu, and Timothy Wright. All of which probably wont be in the NFL next year. (Maybe Tim Wright can stick around) Just be happy we didn’t waste a first round pick on Geno Smith or EJ Manuel Last year. Glennon was the best Rookie QB this year with the worst Offensive talent. Don’t hate the guy cuz he’s goofy looking, Hell everyone of the Mannings looks like they a chromosomal disorder and all they do is win ball games.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:18 am
hopefully all of us are thinking…but some may be in a stupor at times
(not directed at you, but some incoherent posts I’ve seen)
January 5th, 2014 at 1:18 am
What did Glennon do to earn to be the starter? Did he single handedly will us to victory? That’s what franchise guys do. Three rookie QB’s did it last year. Draft a top notch QB this year and get our franchise guy. We have never had one.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:18 am
I dont think TBBF was trying to say Glennon is better than any of those QBs. All he is saying is that, as a rookie he is comparable to them when they were rookies. That is all.
Nobody is stupid enough to say Glennon is better than Manning. But in 10 years from now, he may be close. Nobody knows for certain, well except you Lol.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:19 am
TBBF..lol I thought it was nighty night old man…
January 5th, 2014 at 1:21 am
Ummmm you started that post with my screen name so I would say yeah you mentioned me. I was just stating that you always seem pretty angry when you post something. Smile be happy.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:24 am
@vern
True he didn’t will us to any wins. But he handled himself very well for being put in a bad situation and he had some very good games and he showed that he might be good enough to win with. Thats all you can ask out of a 3rd round rookie.
Did he have a Russell Wilson type year? Nope. But very few 1st round rookies have done that. If you are expecting perfection from anyone we draft in the 1st round you are going to be sadly disappointed. He’s shown enough, in my opinion to start next year. If he doesn’t improve.. then so be it find a new QB. But the man deserves a 1 more year.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:25 am
Vern4499…who is that franchise QB in this draft? If so is he available? I watch college football a lot and I don’t see one coming out in this draft. So again who is this “franchise QB” that the Bucs have a shot at? Please don’t say Johnny either, because if he is REALLY a “franchise QB” he won’t be available at #7. Something tells me though, he might be still be there and with good reason.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:28 am
1gr8buc Says:
January 5th, 2014 at 12:47 am
“Buc1987….. Do you take anything for your condition?”
Exactly what did you mean by this then? Because it was only after you typed this bs that I mentioned your name. So who started it again?
January 5th, 2014 at 1:31 am
I honestly think the Texans will take Manziel with the 1st pick. I know it sounds stupid but if you think about it, it’s not all that stupid.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:32 am
Couch,
I do respect your opinion weather I agree with it or not. I dot think it should matter what round we drafted him in. He just never showed me the it factor that I believe makes it that he just deserves a chance to start. After 2010 I thought Free was our franchise guy and I was very wrong. So to me if you think you can get a guy with a higher ceiling or who you believe is better than you do it.
1987,
Their are franchise guys in every draft. It’s up to our scouting department and personnel to find him. I do believe Bridgewater is a franchise guy and yes I believe Johnny Football is also. Their are a couple others I would take over Glennon who I believe will e better. And like I said if you can get a guy who the staff thinks will be better than you get them.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:33 am
Couch…well I can see a team that has problems with ticket sales taking Manziel. I think the Texans may look to FA for a new QB, but who knows? I’m sure not even Texan fans know.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:35 am
I think Hundley could use another year in college to refine things but I think he will be really good one day.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:36 am
I wouldn’t mind giving Mike another year with a new offense.
Hey Lurker you might want to listen to tampabaybucfan. If you take a look at Mannings rookie #’s there isn’t much difference. The biggest difference is that Manning threw the ball a lot more… OH and he had a little help from a guy named MARSHALL FAULK (He had 86 catches for 908 yards). Nice security blanket for a rookie (He also ran for more than 1300 yards).
Not saying Mike is or will ever be Mr. Manning, just sayin’ cut the kid some slack. I for one would love to see what he could do with the right system !!!!!!! GO BUCS !!!!!!!
January 5th, 2014 at 1:37 am
if the Texans take johnny football then st.louis will reap the rewards in a trade.
this is all speculation, always has been, always will be. it is fun. of course many things will change by the draft in may and prospects will move up and down the draft boards.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:39 am
@vern
I agree with everything you said. And if it weren’t for the fact that a 1st round QB would be the starter no matter what, then I would have no problem with drafting 1 in the 1st. But we both know that a 1st round QB is the franchise guy. Wouldn’t that be putting us in the same spot we were in with Freeman? There will be no competition. Thats is the only reason I’m against it.
I’m just glad I’m not a coach and don’t have to make these decisions.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:40 am
all i’m saying is that hopefully we won’t be in this position of a high draft pick for awhile; so take a qb at 7 or wherever. then you have 2 qb’s in a new system and double your chances. our other weak areas can be addressed in later drafts with lower first round picks.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:41 am
Yup the draft is a long ways off. Sadly, I think Watkins is out of reach now to. That almost makes me want to cry.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:42 am
Vern4499 …and what I’m saying is there is no guaranteed lock, slam dunk franchise QB’s in this draft. No Luck’s or Manning’s. I mean a slam dunk, can’t miss. Do you see one? I guess so, mentioning Teddy and Manziel. Do they have flaws or reasons why a team should not draft them? I would say so. Luck on the other hand, coming out of college was a slam dunk so was Manning.
Who knows? All I know is that there have been many 1st round QB busts. Sure there have been many 1st round busts in general, but the QB of course is very important to get right. Again I don’t see a slam dunk.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:43 am
it is the glazer’s $$$ so why can’t there be an open competition even if we draft a first round qb? wouldn’t that be the smart thing to do if a rookie needed some time? hell, we had to draft glennon to have competition/backup for freeman.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:45 am
but this is our best opportunity to take a risk on a first round qb. we will not suck so bad to be in position for Winston or whomever else there is next year, right?
January 5th, 2014 at 1:46 am
Couch Fan…yup I want to the Bucs to go Watkins or O-line with the 7th. I think Watkins might still be there, but it will be a close call.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:47 am
If they were to have a real open competition not just for show, then I will be fine with that. But I just dont see it happening. Especially if we have to trade up to get him.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:48 am
lurker…I would prefer a veteran QB to push Glennon over a rookie pushing him.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:48 am
Couch,
The only reason you take a guy that high in the draft(7th or lower) is because you believe he is your guy. So I say he should start. Especially since he and Lovie will be married.
1987,
If that is your reasoning than you should never draft in the first round. Their are bust at every position. You can’t not draft a guy because guys have failed in the past.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:51 am
there are no veteran qb’s, as of now, worth a darn on the freeagent market. other holes can be filled in through freeagency. what is wrong with drafting a qb in the first and having a cousin/mallet scenario? and if he busts, we still have glennon.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:54 am
I wont be upset if we take a QB at 7. I can live with that. I just hope like heck we dont trade up to get one. Overall though, to me it just makes more sense to use that pick on something else to improve our team and draft a QB later on. We have much bigger needs in other places that we could spend that pick on. Like somebody for Glennon to throw to, or block for him, or someone to get after the opposing QB.
We’ll see though. I am trusting Lovie and his staff to make the right decision. I’ll support whatever they do.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:55 am
1987,
What Veteran FA is there?
January 5th, 2014 at 1:56 am
I agree with Lurker. If you dont think Glennon is your guy, you have to draft him. There is no way around that.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:57 am
Settle down with the holier than thou attitudes. Take that to Church. We are talking football with adults here. The whole purpose of the message board is to throw out guys you like, predict draft picks etc. Then later on we find out how stupid most of us were and we talk crap. That’s how we roll. If we wait until after its decided, then how fun is that. It was like waiting until draft day to predict the Skins were taking RG3. No fun there. I want QB, pretty much any QB at this point, Clowney or Watkins. High first round pick I always believe in a skill position player. With the exception of the best talent in the draft in Clowney. Im banging the Johnny drum but I think we would have to trade up and we are already a little thin with picks.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:59 am
I love Clowney but there are rumors about his work ethic. That scares the crap out of me to draft a guy that high that might have work ethic issues.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:03 am
Vern…that’s a good question about a veteran QB being available. I guess the dust needs to settle and cuts need to be made to see who will be out there.
Maybe I’m still suffering from the Vinny Testaverde days. You know Heisman trophy, first overall pick and all. Actually it’s not a maybe. Again though I don’t see a slam dunk QB in this year’s draft.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:04 am
and clowney puts peoples’ lives at risk driving like he does. then tries to get out of it by saying he is late to practice, when he was early. that scares me more than money signs and partying.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:06 am
Yes I was a big Vinny fan….
Okay Cmurda…if that’s the game we are playing. I say Manziel will be available at #7 and beyond that if the Bucs don’t take him.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:06 am
who is a slam dunk though. we do not know if someone will have injury issues or trouble with the law either.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:12 am
The Bucs not taking Manziel with the 7th pick, won’t upset Joe though right Joe?
Joe has said in the past he wants the Bucs to take Jake Matthews NOT Manziel with their first pick. Talked about trading back inot the 1st round to get Manziel late. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS where our beloved Joe stands. Seeing how he has not posted that belief in sometime. I thought I’d remind you of all that. JOE DOES NOT WANT MANZIEL WITH THE 7th pick.
Joe told us he will bang the drum for Matthews until the draft. Except that drum has not been banged in about 2 months.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:16 am
i do not understand why you like to poke/kick the sleeping bear/lion/dragon? why do you insist on calling the joes out? also, they both might not feel that way, and opinions change.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:17 am
it’s like you get bored and want to see who’s around…lol
January 5th, 2014 at 2:23 am
lurker…..there have been many slam dunks in the first round at all different positions in past drafts. Andrew Luck was the latest 1st rounder. Remember the “suck for Luck” campaign. I did not see any of that this season. People speculating on whether or not a team is losing on purpose to draft Teddy or Manziel. That’s what I’m talking about.
I can’t get a read on or speculate anything our GM (the one the Bucs don’t even have) will do in the draft, because the Bucs currently have NO GM and neither can anyone else.
That was my point earlier. The team is in such limbo right now. How does anyone have any clue as to what they are going to do? It was not a holier than thou type of thing. It was a you and every Buc fan on the planet are just as clueless as the next guy type of post.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:24 am
Lol I remember “Play dead for Ted” campaign
January 5th, 2014 at 2:29 am
lurker…ha ha ha…they never answer me though on that Matthews thingy. I point it out, because I agree with whichever Joe said it. I want the Bucs to draft O-line.
So to be clear Joes whichever Joe said that they will keep banging the drum for Matthews from 2 months ago until draft day. I agree with him and will gladly pick up the drumsticks and join in. Yet day in and day out we keep reading how much Joe wants the Bucs to take Manziel.
Draft evaluation and desire is a fluid situation. –Joe
January 5th, 2014 at 2:53 am
And with that good night. Good night Joes. I hope your not too upset with me. It wasn’t a lie or anything. I just have not seen that drum banging in forever is all. It would be nice to remind readers how much you liked Matthews before Manziel in the draft.
Of course OT is a boring read. Manziel on the other hand gets fans typing so that might or might not be the case.
Bang the drum Joe…bang the drum.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:55 am
but never so fluid as to depose rachel watson, right joe.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/RachelWatsonTC.jpg
January 5th, 2014 at 3:01 am
Tampabaybucfan and RealityCheck,
You misunderstand. Most already know even a rookie first rounder is not a guarantee. We just also understand that Glennon is not one either.
So it only makes sense, in the interest of saving time, for us to double our chances by drafting a QB. They way I see it is this way. Draft a QB unless Clowney falls to us.
Even you said it. Glennon may not be great. And TampaBayFan, Peyton Manning’s rookie season was a LOT different because he had inexperience and bad WRs who caused many picks by tipping the ball.
Glennon was limited on WRs…really only one great one and one mid-level one, but he also had a good pass catching one and a defense that was improved.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:04 am
@Cmurda
Well Played Sir.
Ya’ll gotta remember .87 has admitted, several times in the past. That this past summer was the 1st time he’s posted on this corner of the web. So we’ll give ’em a break this time. This how we role in the offseason bro, we speculate. Talk about potential trades, draft picks etc etc etc.
Hell, you see some guys that you haven’t seen all season pop outta no where, because this is what they like; to talk about. No harm No foul. Everyone can speak their opinions freely. We all just grown folks shooting the breeze that’s all.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:04 am
@lurker
You still up bro bro..lol
January 5th, 2014 at 3:05 am
Where my Rican(PR) Brotha at..lol
January 5th, 2014 at 3:10 am
If you want to know why some bucs fans dislike Glendon to pose as our franchise QB, all you need to do is look at his third down conversion rate. Drives live and die on third down, and Glennon didn’t do nearly enough on the money down to warrant being gifted the starting position. It would be ridiculous to go into the season happy about Glennon because he threw check downs all game for high completion percentage. You don’t throw many it’s when all you throw are 2 yard check downs… I prefer a QB that has the nuts to throw the ball past the first down marker.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:15 am
@Trubucfan22
I understand where your coming from. But one has to wonder, how he’ll play when he’s not being clobbered 2 secs after he says hike though..lol
January 5th, 2014 at 3:24 am
i’m up.
@tbfan22
what was the average yardage glennon needed on third down? what percentage was 3rd and long? there are many variables. he didn’t do terrible but he wasn’t great.
i just want a 1st round qb. we need a more mobile qb who can carry the team if need be. it doesn’t hurt to have 2 young guns learnin a new offensive system together. if the rook fails, fall back on glennon like we did this year.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:35 am
When you draft a qb is never accurate there have been tons of 1st round bust so what makes you guys so sustain that all these rookie qbs will be better then Glennon as we speak at least we have seen a year of his talent maybe he can get better you just don’t draft a franchise qb there’s a lot of things that go with that if it was so easy everyone would have one
January 5th, 2014 at 3:35 am
Joe your point is well taken and I wholeheartedly agree with you that for Greg Schiano and John McNulty to say “…quarterback mechanics didn’t need to be taught and stressed at the NFL level,” is nonsense. In my opinion, however, it’s equally nonsensical to assert a quarterbacks coach must have played quarterback to be effective.
Now, since Jeff Tedford, a former collegiate quarterback is Tampa’s new OC and if Lovie Smith wants to hire Marcus Arroyo another former collegiate quarterback cum quarterbacks coach that’s great. However, it’s not a requirement to have played quarterback, or any position, at the NFL or even a collegiate level to be a good quarterbacks or any other position coach.
A quarterbacks coach or any other position coach is first and foremost a teacher. To be an effective teacher, the coach must have a deep understanding of the skills and knowledge, including the fundamental mechanics, required of the position(s) being coached. Moreover, no player, not a single one, ever outgrows the need to review and practice the fundamental techniques of his/her position or sport under the watchful eye of qualified coach. However, playing the position is not the only way to “qualify as a coach” enabling one to teach the skills and knowledge of how to play quarterback or any other position.
For example, Tom Brady considered Tom Martinez “…his mentor and worked with him every off-season to clean up his mechanics” until Martinez passed away in 2012. Martinez coached at the College of San Mateo after Bill Walsh and John Madden and is considered
“the most successful community college coach in the history of California and perhaps the nation.” What Martinez had was “…a passion for conducting private coaching sessions with quarterbacks of all ages & from all around the country.” Martinez’s biography, however, makes no mention of his ever having played quarterback at any level, but Brady went back to him every year to “clean up his mechanics.”
Actually, some of the best and most successful coaches in sport, and one can pick any sport, were never successful “players” in the sport they successfully coached at a high level.
In a very clear and unambiguous example, one of the best all-time Women’s Olympic Gymnastics coaches is Béla Károlyi, a male who clearly never “played women’s gymnastics.” Yet, Karolyi turned out dozens of Women’s Olympic Gymnastics champions from several nations during his career.
Angelo Dundee is best known for his work as a trainer and corner man with Muhammad Ali (1960–1981), but he also worked with 15 other world boxing champions, including Sugar Ray Leonard, José Nápoles, George Foreman, George Scott, Jimmy Ellis, Carmen Basilio, Luis Rodriguez and Willie Pastrano. Dundee never boxed himself, at least not at a level that was recorded for posterity. Instead he was taught to be a trainer and corner man by the great trainers of Stillman’s Gym in New York.
In boxing there is an adage that goes “If you want to be a great boxer, don’t hire an ex-boxer as your trainer.” It’s a warning that a former boxer, or quarterbacks coach, tends to coach to what “he could do” not to “what you can do.”
So, Joe, while the Bucs are apparently going to have two ex-quarterbacks working with Mike Glennon or whomever is Tampa’s quarterback next year, and while not anyone can do it, having been a quarterback is not the sin qua non of being a quarterbacks coach. Rather it’s the ability to teach your charges what they need to know, including fundamental mechanics, to excel at playing the quarterback position.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:36 am
It’s also hard for any QB to repeatedly convert 3rd and long situations. Especially rookies. And Glennon was dam near always in a 3rd and long situation with Sully’s/Schiano’s run up the gut on 1st and 2nd down offense.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:38 am
And how can you guarantee that Glennon ain’t nether drew brees was horrible when he first got to San Diego and then he got better and he had talent in that team
January 5th, 2014 at 3:44 am
@Lurker
What about signing Veteran QB to compete with Glennon Like
-Josh McCown
-Chase Daniel
-Brian Hoyer
-Chad Henne
-Kyle Orton( isn’t a lock to return as Tony Romo’s backup)
+Draft a Rook in the Later Rounds like
-David Fales
-Keith Price
-Jimmy Garoppolo
January 5th, 2014 at 3:46 am
Whatever happened to David Fales. Before the season started I read many reports that he’d be a 1st round pick. He must of had an awful year.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:47 am
I say draft Watkins in the first and trade back in the second and pick up a couple of picks a lot of good qbs should still be der Boyd Murray McCarron
January 5th, 2014 at 4:07 am
@Couch Fan
Ooo you talking about the most accurate (FBS) passer completing 72.5 percent of his passes for 4,193 yards and 33 touchdowns David Fales. His overall team sucked this year (6-6, 5-3 Conf.) But the kid’s got a real nice game though. Insane accuracy (Jeff Tedford type) Smart as all out get out+ a perfectionist.
January 5th, 2014 at 4:10 am
Can’t wait to see him at the Senior Bowl.
January 5th, 2014 at 4:19 am
Here’s how I see it, Glennon may have proven to Schiano and his regime a thing or two this past year but now it’s Lovie’s show and I feel that as far as he’s concerned he has seen nothing.
It’s more common for a new coach to come in and draft his guy/Pick up through FA/Trade for than it is for a new coach to come in and inherit what’s there.
There have been 1st round QB’s to come in that have sat a year before or so before as far as that is concerned Couch. But for me I don’t really care about that, I just want a legit competition whoever wins wins.
I also believe Teddy is the real deal and will be a future star in this league.
The more I think about it unless Jeff is absolutely in love with Glennon which he may very well be because he’s the big tall, smart, pocket passer he likes to use in his offenses, than they will bring someone in.
January 5th, 2014 at 4:22 am
KEITH PRICE
(Keith Price 2013 Washington Highlights)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7kRz3fJCf8
January 5th, 2014 at 4:22 am
As far as the third down comment, the kid was almost only throwing on 3rd and longs when the defense new exactly what he was going to do.
Very poor way to try and use that to gage anything about him.
January 5th, 2014 at 4:25 am
@PRBucFan
So is safe to say bringing a capable Vet & Rook to challenge Glennon is a smart move?
January 5th, 2014 at 4:27 am
Either or, whichever the staff thinks, if the vet is someone they legitimately think can be our guy.
January 5th, 2014 at 4:36 am
Whatever we do, I pray we upgrade the situation under center. IMO Zuttah is not cutting it.
Sign C- Alex Mack
Mack is going to be one of the hotter commodities on the open market come March. And I know he’s said he’ll give the Browns first right of refusal if he does hits market. But the kid has rated out as one the top centers in the league the past 4 seasons.
All-Pro linemen Joe Thomas stressed the importance of re-signing Mack
“He’s one of the best centers in the NFL, and if we don’t bring him back, now we have a big hole to fill at center, which is one of the most important positions on the offensive line,” Thomas said. “And (on this) offense, the way we run it, (the centers) have a tremendous amount of responsibilities as far as directing the offense and the pass protection and the run blocking, even sometimes a greater role than the quarterback in the way that the offensive line and the tight ends are blocking everything.”
January 5th, 2014 at 4:42 am
Zuttah is valuable because he can play every position, but yea man If we can do it we should.
Hopefully we address depth, the dine, the o line, slot, we may have to get a LB with Casillas being a FA in the offseason. lol Lots to address
January 5th, 2014 at 4:42 am
But yo bro, I’ll be here tomorrow man.
Y’all have a goodnight
January 5th, 2014 at 4:46 am
Just my thoughts
January 5th, 2014 at 4:48 am
@PRBucFan
Lol, you ain’t neva lied. Gonna be one busy offseason
January 5th, 2014 at 4:48 am
Later
January 5th, 2014 at 6:22 am
@PRBUCFan – I have to disagree with your take on Lovie having seen nothing from glennon and wanting “his guy” in there. By all accounts, Lovie isn’t super involved with the offense so it shouldn’t be an issue as to whether his guy is in there or not. As for tedford, his track record shows a history of getting good results out of mediocre-bad qbs. If that’s the case then it isn’t as high of a priority to get a qb in there that he likes as it is to fill the holes on the roster where there isn’t any talent to speak of. Glennon can be at least serviceable if not good for us this year. The receivers and o-line we trotted out there this year cannot. I would love to see those positions addressed early in the draft or fa because they are glaring and gaping holes
January 5th, 2014 at 7:22 am
It’s funny, bit a lot of the criticism of Glennon cited his good stats being padded by checkdowns. I think that, and his slow legs make Brad Johnson his projected upside example; in other words, if things go well, he *could* have a career as an NFL starter, if your goal is Brad Johnson.
Some might immediately say “Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl”, others moght counter them in saying the defense and gruden’s intel won the Super Bowl.
The reason it’s such a considerable topic is that Glennon isn’t entrenched at the position yet, and the Bucs have a high enough pick to consider other developable candidates and let them compete for playing time to see who pans out.
With a choice between say, Brad Johnson and Jeff Garcia in their prime, with no other considerations … I mean, I’d probably pick Garcia (a Russell Wilson prototype?). I think taking another QB in this draft, with the 7th pick, or in the 2nd round, is a good idea. I’d rather see how it plays out under Tedford’s tutelage with more than just Glennon in the system.
… And there’s not a single FA worth the effort or cost out there.
January 5th, 2014 at 8:46 am
Been keeping my silence, loving the Lovie hire, just “eh” about the DC and OC. But I’ll say this, Glennon deserves another shot!!!
Now I was called names and beat up here when I went against Freeman….was beat up when I wanted schiano and dom both gone!!! (and theres even more, but whatever).
Now we need to use our 1st for Watkins or Anthony Barr (pick up Jordan Matthews later) and pray or trade for a chance at Connor Shaw! He’ll be awesome competition, but will also be a great change of pace QB for plays designed around him….plus you just never know!
Call me crazy, just like i was called crazy for wanting freeman/schiano/dom gone. Btw, id like Clowney, but he gets gassed quick, especially in hot weather (been saying that too and get jumped on for saying so)
If we go D with our 1st pick…Anthony Barr please….if we go O, Sammy Watkins please!!!
January 5th, 2014 at 9:36 am
If this is accurate info, I don’t love the choice of Marcus Arroyo for QB coach. No NFL experience as a coach or a player?
January 5th, 2014 at 10:03 am
@Tampabaybucfan not sure why earlier in this blog you referenced the 1996 Colts record. Peyton was a rookie in 1998(Rd 1 Pick 1).
And why are we comparing Glennon to Manning? not really fair to Glennon to do that. 8 out 11 Off startes on the 1998 Colts roster were either drafted in the 1st or 2nd round. If you look at his season as a whole it was a GOOD rookie season. Bring in another QB to compete and draft Sammy in the 1st and O’leary in the 2nd. Lets give this kid some toys other than one reciever. Minus V-Jax, most of the season the OFF skilled positions listed like this:
Underwood – 7th round pick
Owusa – undrafted
Dawson – undrafted
Wright – undrafted
Rainey – undrafted
Leonard – 2nd round pick
Most QB’s wouldn’t look great with that roster. But give him V-Jax, M-Will, Sammy, Martin, and TE you will see vast improvement out of Glennon. All I’m saying is lets get him some toys and see what he can do then lets make a decision.
January 5th, 2014 at 10:20 am
@ Brandon….for earlier post
Were u aware that Payton Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, and Marcus Pollard his rookiie year…last time I checked those were HOF players with the exclusion of Pollard…people r nitpicking Glennon…with better coaching, better play calling, some blocking, and a running game this kid can take us to the playoffs…
January 5th, 2014 at 10:57 am
1997 Colts were 3-13. 1998 Colts were 3-13 in Peyton’s first year.
Facts are Facts Brandon. The 1997 Colts were the same as the 1998 Colts except that their QBs were more accurate in 97′ and they didn’t throw as many interceptions as Manning. Manning, by all accounts had a bad year. Glennon’s rookie record, Completion %, TD:Int ratio were all much better than Peyton’s rookie season. This is not to suggest that Glennon is the next Manning. The purpose of pointing these numbers out is to reach out to low-information bucs fans that are completely unaware of how good Glennon’s numbers look in the context of “starting rookie QBs”.
January 5th, 2014 at 11:21 am
Some of the same posters that are saying don’t right off Glennon because his awsome stats. Turn around and say Manziel will be a bust in the NFL.
January 5th, 2014 at 11:39 am
@Lurker
What about signing Veteran QB to compete with Glennon Like
-Josh McCown
-Chase Daniel
-Brian Hoyer
-Chad Henne
-Kyle Orton( isn’t a lock to return as Tony Romo’s backup)
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there is nothing to say to this except, I hope you are joking.
January 5th, 2014 at 11:43 am
as I stated above:
but your stats are meaningless because there are too many variables! hello…the teams were different, the competition was different, the coaching was different. your inference is there that glennon is better than the other qb’s…that is your premise. it is meaningless, so please stop.
January 5th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Glennon could become the next great QB, but the team should not pass on drafting or signing a good QB because of him. Every time it hear comments from Bucs fans that Glennon is the answer makes me wonder if they forgot or weren’t fans of the team when Chris Simms was in the same position. What happened then? Oh yeah, we passed on Bree’s because of that and didn’t draft a QB.
While I agree that Glennon should get a chance to prove himself, but the team still needs to look elsewhere to find their QB.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
Johnny football sure has the skills but we’ll all soon find out if he’s got the brains, even jimmy clausen or vince young were elite in college, it’s what’s between the shoulder pads that will determine what teams think of him, hopefully he doesn’t pull a Josh Freeman at the combine
January 5th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
And all of you boasting about Glennon’s rookie #s; as compared to the Mannings or Bradys; you are aware that those eras are like night and day? The defense practically has to allow WRs to catch the ball, quite frankly it’s a different ball game. Then, take in to account how Schiano was trying protect Glennon; I am sorry 6.3 yds per completion is not impressive. He was throwing a bunch of dump offs which Schiano orchestrated to pump up his completion %; if you listened to Schiano that is all he talked about how accurate Glennon is and when you look at it he still only had a 59.3 completion %. He never orchestrated a game winning drive even Freeman did that without a Vincent Jackson; with basically rookie WR. And let’s be for real here do we really want to compare Glennon to the likes of Manning even if we are talking about rookie campaigns? I think it more appropiate to compare him to the QBs of his era. Glennon – 59.3%, 2608 yds, 6.3 yds per, 19 TDs 9 ints, QB rat = 83.9. RGIII – 65.6%, 3200 yds, 8.1 yds per, 20 TDs 5 ints, QB rat = 102.3. Wilson- 64.1%, 3118 yds, 7.93 yds per, 26 TDs 10 ints, QB rat = 100.0. Luck- 54.1% 4374 yds 6.9 yds per, 23 TDs 18 ints QB rat= 76.5.
I put these up just to show that you can’t compare this era to when Manning was a rookie. I didn’t even bother to put up Cam’s rookie #s. It shows that what that Glennon’s #s aren’t that impressive when you look at the guys from this era. RGIII’s and Wilson’s are better in every category then you factor in their rushing yds 815 and 489; these guys are out there winning games from the QB position which was evident by the fact that both led their teams to the playoffs. In Luck’s case, Glennon may have had better #s as far as % and TD to INT ratio but that’s only because Luck had to take more chances in the air for his team to win; he had no running game to speak of but the coaches were comfortable with putting it in his hands and he basically carried them to the playoffs. He also did things with his feet with 255 yds and a 4 yd avg.
I am not alone but you don’t see any of this in Glennon; at best he is a taller version of AJ McCarron but at least McCarron wins. I want QBs like what was on display yesterday in the Chiefs/Colts playoff game. Both Smith and Luck were on fire doing it all with their arm and feet. They were making plays at the QB position. That’s today’s NFL!!!
For me, he is not worth risking a set back determining if he is your QB or not. I think he would be a good backup in the right system but hopefully Tedford with the blessing of Lovie move on and get a QB that is a playmaker and looking at Tedford’s offense and QBs from Cal, I think he will do just that.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
And all of you boasting about Glennon’s rookie #s; as compared to the Mannings or Bradys; you are aware that those eras are like night and day? The defense practically has to allow WRs to catch the ball, quite frankly it’s a different ball game. Then, take in to account how Schiano was trying protect Glennon; I am sorry 6.3 yds per completion is not impressive. He was throwing a bunch of dump offs which Schiano orchestrated to pump up his completion %; if you listened to Schiano that is all he talked about how accurate Glennon is and when you look at it he still only had a 59.3 completion %. He never orchestrated a game winning drive even Freeman did that without a Vincent Jackson; with basically rookie WR. And let’s be for real here do we really want to compare Glennon to the likes of Manning even if we are talking about rookie campaigns? I think it more appropiate to compare him to the QBs of his era. Glennon – 59.3%, 2608 yds, 6.3 yds per, 19 TDs 9 ints, QB rat = 83.9. RGIII – 65.6%, 3200 yds, 8.1 yds per, 20 TDs 5 ints, QB rat = 102.3. Wilson- 64.1%, 3118 yds, 7.93 yds per, 26 TDs 10 ints, QB rat = 100.0. Luck- 54.1% 4374 yds 6.9 yds per, 23 TDs 18 ints QB rat= 76.5.
I put these up just to show that you can’t compare this era to when Manning was a rookie. I didn’t even bother to put up Cam’s rookie #s. It shows that what that Glennon’s #s aren’t that impressive when you look at the guys from this era. RGIII’s and Wilson’s are better in every category then you factor in their rushing yds 815 and 489; these guys are out there winning games from the QB position which was evident by the fact that both led their teams to the playoffs. In Luck’s case, Glennon may have had better #s as far as % and TD to INT ratio but that’s only because Luck had to take more chances in the air for his team to win; he had no running game to speak of but the coaches were comfortable with putting it in his hands and he basically carried them to the playoffs. He also did things with his feet with 255 yds and a 4 yd avg.
I am not alone but you don’t see any of this in Glennon; at best he is a taller version of AJ McCarron but at least McCarron wins. I want QBs like what was on display yesterday in the Chiefs/Colts playoff game. Both Smith and Luck were on fire doing it all with their arm and feet. They were making plays at the QB position. That’s today’s NFL!!!
For me, he is not worth risking a set back determining if he is your QB or not. I think he would be a good backup in the right system but hopefully Tedford with the blessing of Lovie move on and get a QB that is a playmaker and looking at Tedford’s offense and QBs from Cal, I think that will be a distinct possiblility.
January 5th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Sorry for the double post guys………..
January 5th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Lurker you are being foolish. The whole purpose of statistics is to reduce the amount of variables and the minutiae of single games into a summation of a whole season, or multiple seasons. Yes, the competition was different, the coaching and teams were also different. But there are still 16 games, same amount of players on the field. In fact, offensive scoring has only 6 points of variance in the last 70 years. Average Passing yards per game, rushing yards per game have barely changed. 1965 was statistically closer to 2013 scoring and passing TD’s per game than 2012 was.
January 5th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
While common sense would make one think that a former NFL QB would be the best choice for developing a young QB I’m not sure if it always works out like that in reality. We had a former NFL QB (Alex Van Pelt) work with Josh early on in his career and yet when Josh went to the Vikings (yes the team with Ponder and Cassel…hell probably even their QB turned WR Webb) ahead of Josh in part because Vikings coaches believed Josh needed to clean up some of his mechanics and footwork (official reason anyway). So I’m not sold on that argument that we need a former NFL QB as QB coach. Interesting side note Van Pelt is the RB coach in GB! I’m pretty sure he never played a down of NFL football as a RB,
January 5th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
I give up trying to rank QB’s. It comes down to only a select few are elite. Romo and Staff are stat guy’s. That are total flop’s in the clutch. Kap and Wilson have suspect stat’s but have shown more cluch in limited attemps. The money team’s are handing some of these guy’s is comical. Flacco roles the dice and win’s a superbowl. To earn his 20M per. Then the Cowboy’s pay Romo 20M…for what 1 freakin playoff win. Stafford too, now Cutler. Also a lot of you guy’s wanted to extend Freeman. Could you imagine the mess we’d be in right now. Paying Free 15M per for the next 4 years. We’d bacically have to release him and eat like 30M of dead money next season. These are the same guy’s that bash Glennon.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:03 pm
wow Jordan. think of that all by yourself?
they are irrelevant. just read what vic posted (twice, lol) above. again, there are too many variables. if you want statistics, there are better available than what is constantly posted that take more in to account than pass attempts, completions, etc.
where is your link to the 1965 stats you are referencing?
don’t forget, liars use stats.
January 5th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
I just wanted to say a couple things and sotry for the drlayed response but what TBBF fails to mention is that when comparing Glennon’s stats to Freeman he fails to mention thay Glennon over his first three games had the most pass attempts of any QB in the NFL rookie qn in the history of the nfl. also if I am not mistaken, Freeman also had several 4th quarter comeback victories his rookie year with less talent them Glennon has this season. Not to discredit Glennon this season but there was more to get excited about Freeman due to some of the traits he showed them Glennon. I think going into this season Glennon will have the leg up, but another QB has to be brought in to compete and worst case be a better back up then Dan Orlovsky
January 5th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
here you go…more accurate ratings…espn qbr
http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/stats/expanded
the galloping glennon is 27 out of 39.
January 5th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/team_stats.htm
Yes, Lurker – I went back and recreated the 1965 NFL season all by myself.
2008 Super Bowl Winning Big Ben – 42.1 QBR
2008 QB of the 0-16 Lions Dan Orlovsky – 46.8 QBR
2008 QB of the 2-14 Chiefs Tyler Thigpen – 45.7 QBR
ESPN QBR is a deeply flawed statistic. Passer Rating has shown an incredible correlation between Wins and increased Offensive Passer Ratings. As your QB’s passer rating increases, you are more likely to win games. As your opponents QBs passer rating decrease, you are more likely to win games.
January 5th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
Some fans ridicule Glennon as a giraffe. Tall is better for a QB. He can see over the line. He is not near as fragile as he looks. I am a quarter inch shy of 6’5″, can see very good over the crowd. I hope Glennon improves and gets most fans behind him.
January 5th, 2014 at 6:41 pm
see Jordan…how is that accurate?
lmao
also there were 14 teams playing 14 games versus 32 teams playing 16 games. average all you want but the comparables are not there. that is the issue with statistics.
and i never said you made it up, just that i wanted to see, which i did. it doesn’t mean what you want people to think. smike and mirrors that has nothing to do with glennon.
i get statistics that takes other factors into consideration, and you just dismiss it too. then you go back 5 years ago to compare mike glennon? ok. agree to disagree. you love glennon. i think we need competition from a high draft pick.
January 5th, 2014 at 9:11 pm
You go ahead and rely on the stats that make you feel better. I’ll continue to rely on the stats that are most accurate and informative. You’re just upset that Glennon wasn’t a first round pick. You are the type that would be defending Glennon if we selected him with our #10 overall pick.
January 5th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
like you know anything, Jordan. you have no idea how this qb will do, but he has not been impressive, to me and many others.
you are a funny little man…
“my stats are better than your stats!”
lmao…ok then