Johnny Football And The Bucs
January 9th, 2014
Well, it is official. Yesterday, Johnny Football told the world what the world expected to hear; Johnny Football declared he’ll enter the 2014 NFL draft in May.
And the Bucs have a high draft pick.
And the Bucs need a quarterback.
And Bucs fans have been pining for something exciting.
Lou Holtz said Johnny Football is the most exciting player he has seen since Roger Staubach. (When is Holtz going to learn that the name of the cat who coaches Florida State is not “Jumbo?”)
Man, Joe wants the Bucs to draft Johnny Football so bad Joe can just taste the cold beer. But will it happen? ESPN’s Pat Yasinskas decides to peel back the onion skins to see if there is a shot the Bucs land Johnny Football.
The personnel people I talk to are all over the board on Manziel. Some say he’s a legitimate first-round pick and others have concerns, mostly about his size.
Like every other team in the league, the Bucs will at least do some homework on Manziel. But the first thing Tampa Bay’s new administration has to do is make a determination on whether Mike Glennon is in the plans at quarterback.
Coach Lovie Smith and whoever ends up as general manager are in a draft spot where they could end up with a franchise quarterback. They need to figure out if Glennon or Manziel can be that guy.
Look, Joe has absolutely nothing against Bucs quarterback Mike Glennon at all. A nicer guy you may not find. But again, when you have the fourth-best quarterback in a four-team division in a passing league, you are painted into a corner.
At least with Johnny Football, you have a guy with a high ceiling who very well could become as good as Matty Ice or perhaps Cam Newton. Joe may love Johnny Football, but he is not so drunk to think Johnny Football could match Drew Brees. Let’s not get carried away.
January 9th, 2014 at 8:10 am
WIth Johnny Millennial you’ll still have the 4th best QB in the NFC South
January 9th, 2014 at 8:20 am
Tedford’s offense is complex apparently. Is Manziel a clever film room type guy? Sure would be interesting if we signed him though
I’m coming round to Glennon. Think he could really help us. Wouldn’t say no to competition though from a veteran free agent and Aaron Murray from Georgia who should be available in the 3rd/4th rounds
January 9th, 2014 at 8:23 am
@flmike – thank you. I’m not sure why people think this guy is going to come out of the box as a hall of fame qb
January 9th, 2014 at 8:37 am
Tough situation to be in for the new coaching staff. My thoughts on Glennon are, with Schiano/Sullivan, total train wreck; with Lovie/Tedford, there is a possibility he could flourish. And let us not forget, any QB taken in the draft there is only “possibility.” I would rather see the Bucs pick up the best wide out in the draft than Manziel. Anyhow, Manziel will not be on the board (barring he does not do something stupid and immature) for the 7th pick so we will be beating this dead horse until May.
January 9th, 2014 at 8:41 am
If Manziel is available when Tampa picks we must pull the trigger and draft him. What if Glennon gets hurt or regresses? Competition at the qb spot is vital. Let the best playmaker win. Bucs would be dumb to pass on Manziel unless they try and trade up for Bortles who is the best qb in this draft. Go Bucs!
January 9th, 2014 at 8:43 am
If Johnny is available, snag him Lovie.
January 9th, 2014 at 8:44 am
It may be just me, but Manziel doesn’t seem like someone Lovie Smith would want around!
January 9th, 2014 at 8:45 am
I agree with JMN. Johnny Football will not be on the board when the Bucs pick and I don’t see them aggressively moving up to get him. The best wide receiver in the draft would be fine by me, or the top offensive lineman. Aaron Murray in a later round along with a veteran QB would seem to fit Lovie’s m.o.
January 9th, 2014 at 8:45 am
I agree Joe. Manziel would bring a whole new element to the Bucs offense that has been missing for years. The status quo will not get it done in the NFC South. Just not sure he will be around at number 7. Too many teams in front of us with the same problem.
January 9th, 2014 at 8:50 am
Yes! Draft Johnny Football or Bortles or Bridgewater or Carr in the first. Then grab 2 of Mettenburger, Murray, McCarron, Boyd, Garrapolo in the second and subsequent rounds.
Sounds crazy? Sure, but it leaves us with 4-5 young QB’s and worst case scenario, one of them will develop into a top QB and we solve the most important position in NFL.
Want to draft the best WR in this years draft? Draft a top QB and he makes an average WR a sought after FA WR
Want to draft the top O-Tackle in the draft? Draft a top QB and he fixes our leaky O-Line.
Want to draft a top pass rusher? Draft a top QB and we outscore people and make win with an average D that only needs to make 1-2 plays per game.
FIX THE QB POSITION. Be aggressive with it.
January 9th, 2014 at 8:58 am
Joe…what happens when you have the forth best group of receivers in the division?
January 9th, 2014 at 9:04 am
We all heard Lovies presser on Monday. 8 wins with a good defense, 10 wins with solid special teams, you dont need a HOF QB. Those were his words.
I cannot see Lovie pulling the trigger on a 1st round QB, 7th overall.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:06 am
There are plenty of questions regarding Manziel on and off the field. I don’t see him as a Lovie Smith type of guy. Is Manziel the guy you want as the face of your franchise when your building a team based on accountability? All it takes is one bender on a Saturday night in Ybor to change the whole dynamic. Although Manziel could turn out to be a model professional. Tedford might think Manziel is the best option and convince Lovie, but there seems to be more questions than answers.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:10 am
Why can’t Johnny Manziel be a “Lovie Smith” guy? Cause he parties in college? Doesn’t almost EVERY kid do that? Plus, I never hear the coach or his teammates complain about him. Yes, you can say hes a risk/reward pick but he’s a game changer that is capable of igniting our offense which is what the bucs sorely need.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:10 am
i like jonny manziel , i believe he has potential i just hope if the bucs actuallly draft him that the guy doesnt turn out to be a distraction. this is the nfl and its cool the way he lives his lifestyle but in the nfl its more time for film and studying defenses unlike college, either way taking him would be a risk imo. but i would take watkins if he is still their honestly if you have jackson watkins and williams at wide outs i believe we have the potential to be a really good offense, and yes even with mike glennon a qb. go bucs
January 9th, 2014 at 9:19 am
IF the Bucs have the choice between Sammy Watkins and Johnny football…I take Watkins everyday of the week and twice on Sunday!!!
January 9th, 2014 at 9:27 am
He won’t make it to us, and that’s probably a good thing. I think of the top 3 qbs (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel) that Manziel is the least likely to be a successful NFL qb. I certainly wouldn’t trade up for him, although I might take him if he slips. Might.
We do need to find a QB though. Badly.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:29 am
Bucs will not even have an opportunity to draft him. Jax needs to put fans in nthe seats. Someone who is marketable. Johnny Football is most marketable player in the draft and fills a huge need for Jax at QB.
Predict:
1. Teddy
2. Matthews
3. Johnny Football
4. Brotles
5. Clowney
6. Barr
7. Watkins (Bucs)
January 9th, 2014 at 9:30 am
Too many questions about his off-the-field behavior for the Glazers or Lovie to get on board with…and we haven’t even talked about his football skills and how he grades out, which apparently, are all over the board.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:32 am
@Nick, EXACTLY what I think will happen. Also, OAK could take Watkins which would probably leave us with Barr.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:33 am
@ Joe
Should we draft Johnny Football just like you said we should draft your favorite prospect from last year, the Baron of Berlin aka the Baron of Bust. Your boy Werner has been an absolute zero for the Colts…he makes Teo’Nesheim look like Strahan in his prime. No, I’m going to keep coming to this website for your interviews and reporting, not your draft insights.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:34 am
How about lets not get carried away calling Glennon the worst QB in the division? Of course the two veterans and freaking Cam Newton are going to look better than a rookie with two receiving options. Even then Glennon went 19/9 with almost 60% completion. Nothing against Johnny Football but lets give Glennon a chance with his second year (or first full year), a healthy offense, and possibly one more playmaker.
Besides, the Bucs have bigger needs all over the field than to take a chance on Johnny Football.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:38 am
I don’t see the skill – I see just a athlete at quarterback. By which he’s not elite class athlete nor is his upside Luck level.
I say pass and get something next year.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:38 am
Is Johnny Manziel Like Brett Favre?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrq8SV07lrk
January 9th, 2014 at 9:39 am
@Joe
^^^^Sure you would luv the debate on the above link^^^^
January 9th, 2014 at 9:39 am
No, no no to Johnny “Spoiled Rotten” Football. We would still have the forth best QB in the division.
Upgrade the O-line for any QB to have a chance at success.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:40 am
I believe Johnny Football may just be the next Drew Brees, but Drew Brees took several years, a torn up shoulder and a trip to New Orleans with the Great Sean Payton to become the Elite QB he is today. I hate that guy!
January 9th, 2014 at 9:40 am
Many think Manziel won’t drop to us…..if he does….that should mean that many teams would trade up to get him.
We should trade our pick (deal depending)…we have many needs. I think we can get Murray/McCarron/Mettenberger later in the draft…..so, we will get a great player and another QB to provide competition for Glennon.
The good news is that we have Tedford as part of the decision process.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:42 am
bucsfaninchina@ exactly whats great is glennon actually played pretty good with below average receiver minus jackson of course and also a flatly inconsistent o line.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:43 am
If you aren’t going to be able to draft an elite QB, don’t take a chance on s decent QB because it is a wasted pick. Already wasted a #1 pick Freeboob and a #3 pick on Big Bird, don’t waste another pick until Andrew Luck or Someone like him comes along. Blake Bortles might be that guy, Manziel possibly, but Bridgewater is not IMO.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:44 am
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January 9th, 2014 at 9:46 am
lightningbuc Says:
January 9th, 2014 at 8:44 am
It may be just me, but Manziel doesn’t seem like someone Lovie Smith would want around!
My thoughts exactly as I scrolled down the comments. I would love to see it happen though.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:47 am
Is Manziel more like Fran Tarkenton or Brett Favre?
January 9th, 2014 at 9:48 am
He is amazing to watch on Saturdays, but no one know’s what he will do on Sundays. If he takes it to the next level your in the playoffs, if he flames out he is a coach killer. Not so sure Love Smith is that type of gambler.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:52 am
Johnny Manziel Heisman Highlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp8iZAySN2M
January 9th, 2014 at 9:53 am
@Will Precisely! You think Lovie would hitch his career in Tampa to the pick of Johnny Football? This first pick is immensely important to what management will think of their new head coach / GM
January 9th, 2014 at 9:54 am
Are u saying Johnny football will be better then Cam, Bree’s, or Ryan.? Humm that is fantasy man!
January 9th, 2014 at 9:56 am
The dumbest thing keep hearing especailly on radio (BD) is that glennon will be the 4th best QB in division.. Any QB in the league or coming out of college will be the 4th best unless you are peyton or brady…
Please tell me who we can get that will be better than brees, ryan or cam that we can bring in here??????
Havent heard EXPERTS say negative about glennon exept the experts on the radio locally. Kid played with 4th RB, 1 receiver and a OLINE that played terrible.
January 9th, 2014 at 9:58 am
I don’t agree with the “everyone parties” argument. Being a party animal is ok with any other position, but not QB. QB takes more brains than other positions. And we all know how our brains work the next day after a good rager. I don’t see Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mannings, Wilson, Ryan going out and partying. If only we had a former QB that liked to party that we could use as a reference. Now maybe Johnny is like Broadway Joe and can handle it, but I don’t think back in Namath’s day they studied the way they do now.
Also look at that pic. Just another hot girl that’s the same size little Johnny. It’s ok if hes the same size as a Female German Swimmer, but not a hot girl
January 9th, 2014 at 10:01 am
With all the statements made I’d rather we pick a WR “Watkins” or LB “Barr” NOT JOHNNY FOOTBALL. Who I believe will be a little above average QB at best. I’d rather stay with Glennon who had no WR’s to throw to this season. Some can make a case for Vincent Jackson but he was the king of dropped passes this season, specifically when it was a critical down!! We need to draft Two WRs or get Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks Via Freeagency, if Glennon had more than TWO WEAPONS on offense he would have been better. Also address the LB and DE position! So Joe forget about JOHNNY FOOTBALL PLEASE SIR!!
January 9th, 2014 at 10:01 am
Joe the only way the Bucs draft Johnny Football is if we trade up and considering we already do not have a 3rd pick I don’t see a new administration making that type of a move.
Some team will likely fall in love with the guy and he will be the 2nd / 3rd QB off of the board. In this scenario Bridgewater, Brotles and Johnny Football all are off the board by the #5 pick.
If for some reason he falls to the Bucs at 7 (and I fully expect us to stay at 7) there are reasons and red flags on the guy. Your 1st round pick has to, must be and impact player. There is not an Andrew Luck in this draft so a QB is too much a gamble for me. Take Kalil Mack (who I think is going to be the stud of this draft) or Sammy Watkins BPA, who ever is there.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:02 am
@ Joe
I have never seen such an obsession or man crush as you have with Johnny. I personally don’t get it. You think he will be able to scramble out of trouble in the NFL to save the day and I will leave you with an old comment by Archie Moore when he fought Sugar Ray Robinson.
Reporter to Moore.” Sugar Ray said he will run around that ring for 15 rounds.
Moore to Reporter ” he can run but he can’t hide”
Outcome. Knockout.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:02 am
It is hard to tell if we have holes all over the place, the crap scheme and crap coaching may have made it look like we have more needs than we do. The only reason the defense was middle of the road is raw talent from McCoy, Revis, and David. Lovie may come in and prove we have all sorts of talent on both sides of the ball. Even on offense. A rookie QB playing with a bunch of cut rate guys and Jackson. I am not sure we need a QB, becasue how can you evaluate the guy with his cast and coaches. That being said, I am totally excited about drafting Johny. I do not care that he chases woman and guzzles beer, some people party and work hard! Maybe he is a 11% guy, at everything he does.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:03 am
same old same old same old. when the rest of the league are putting up touchdowns,and their stadiums are rocking and full of fans,we the bucs of course will be shackeld with a defensive minded head coach,a mediocre qb half full stadium.no playoffs,no prime time games,double digit losses,no excitement,no fun,heartache and pain but we the fans should be used to this brand of football the glazers have been selling us for 10 years now. frankley i for one am tired of this one trick pony show,not excited about the hc hire(dungy) clone. no offense lovie.litterally no offense. manziel will equal ticket sales,excitment and wins,i sure hope you let jeff do his job lovie and give him the tools to make it happen.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:06 am
Sure Joe, Glennon is 4th best in the division now. But that was with poor coaching, a shoddy offensive line, no #2 or #3 receiver, and still he posted the best numbers of the rookies this year. You can’t roll the dice on Manziel, besides he’s not Lovies kind of guy. He will get clocked a few times in the NFL and be the next rg3, or the next Mike Vick. Always going to be injured. Cam Newton can take the hits because he’s big, Johnny footballs cute running may work in college but in the NFL it’s totally different. Me personally, I don’t want a trust fund baby who has gone through 0 adversity in life to be the face of my franchise. He needs to learn a few things about life first before he can be handed the reigns of a nfl team.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:13 am
@James West – To hear DB55 tell it, those heavy defensive years drew sold out stadiums and the fans loved it. Doesn’t sound like the sad state of affairs that you’re making it out to be.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:15 am
Right now my top 5 are
1) Bortles
2) Bridgewater
3) Manziel
4) Watkins
5) Clowney
And if any of them were available at seven I would pick them in that order based on availability.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:16 am
Watkins is awesome no doubt bit does it make sense for us to get him? We are either going to have a expensive third reciver in mike, or a top ten talent at third wr. Imo. With lovie in i think we go qb second and let the rook and glennon battle for the spot. I
January 9th, 2014 at 10:17 am
not a chance…keep dreaming
January 9th, 2014 at 10:19 am
don’t get me wrong…i want the kid too… but I don’t see Lovie’s personality being able to work with johnny’s
January 9th, 2014 at 10:25 am
NO NO NO
Name a college QB thats major asset was running aroud and creating and he became a good NFL QB?
THEY FAIL
Give me a pocket passer with some mobility any day
January 9th, 2014 at 10:27 am
Color me crazy, but if Mr. Football is as good as people say, going to Houston is a strong possibility. Even if he’s the 2nd best QB in the draft it would still make sense to bring in such a marketable “in-state” player for Houston. While Bridgewater is the unanimous #1 QB in the draft, he does lack the marketable that Manziel would invariably bring to any team (especially to an in-state team).
As far as the success Manziel will have in the NFL…I’m of the school that there is no such thing as a “can’t miss” player in the draft – esp. at QB. I believe it’s been proved over the years that intangibles are more important than “most” people give credit. Tangibles and prototypes and combine stats have their place, but judging the character of the man and looking past the “dog and pony show” interview is difficult. I think Manziel’s success, like many draft picks, will depend on the system to which he is drafted. I’m not familiar with Houston, but it would be very interesting seeing him develop under Tedford.
All that said, I think the Bucs go best available or trade out. Where Manziel rates on their boards will be the key…assuming he’s still there.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:27 am
There doesn’t need to be a debate since he’ll never make it to number 7 and I doubt any team this years trades up or down in the first 10 or so picks. A lot of teams have been burned by giving up valuable picks to move up in the first round. Don’t see that type of talent this year. Not that there isn’t talent, but there seems better value in the late first round & second.
January 9th, 2014 at 10:29 am
I love it when people say Glennon was the best rookie quarterback this year. Then they say he did good with no weapons except for Jackson. There wasn’t much to choose from for rookie quarterbacks this year. And please tell me a legitimate weapon that Geno Smith had? Great quarterbacks make everyone around them better. Glennon did not do that this year. Johnny football please!
January 9th, 2014 at 10:30 am
It’s hard to tell who the QB will be or what kind of QB they will need because we haven’t seen the offensive scheme yet
January 9th, 2014 at 10:37 am
Vern,
His advantage was an all pro offensive line and a top 10 defense (4th against the run) In 16 games he had 12 (only) TD’s and 21 INTERCEPTIONS! If you think he played better than Glennon you are CRAZY.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:00 am
I’m sold, completely sold on Sammy Watkins if he is there for the Bucs. HE will instantly do more for the Bucs offense than Johnny Manziel would. The guys has speed, hands, and gets seperation. Glennon will absolutely excel with a guy like that in the offense. Watkins only needs one or two steps seperation and Glennon will nail him perfectly in stride and it’ll be off to the races. I’ll be jumping for joy if Watkins is the Bucs pick
January 9th, 2014 at 11:04 am
BucNjim,
I didn’t say he played better. But to say Glennon was the best is not a good argument this year. Glennon did nothing to excite anyone.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:07 am
Johnny Football could be great, but he could also be a HUGE bust. I don’t think the Buc’s can afford to gamble with this pick @ all! Would rather see DL or OL help or Sammy Watkins if he is still avail.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:07 am
Give me Watson in first and qb Boyd in second. Takes care of two big needs. Rest of the draft go for best player available and fill holes through free agency.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:12 am
Only 4 more months and we won’t have to hear about Joe’s JFF (Johnny Friend Forever) ever again. I can’t wait.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:14 am
Hey guys just a thought ,but Cousins from Washington is going to be up for trade what do you think about him?
January 9th, 2014 at 11:15 am
@Dave I agree with you all the way. Not sure if Glennon is the guy but please don’t waste a pick on Johnny Football. Take a wide receiver and pick up McCarron later on.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:17 am
Agreed with Cannuckbuc Says, I would take a look @ Cousins. Didn’t we just get rid of a QB that partied too much? Wouldn’t touch Manziel no way.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:20 am
@Vern the Jets won in spite of Geno. To say who the best rook QB of 2013 is futile, but evrn with the lack of weapons Geno was not helping his case. That being said, though Glennon did not have the most exciting year you have to remember his circumstance in that every area on the offense was hobbled by injuries or was vastly underperforming. So now after the rookie doesnt light the world on fire with his sh*t team you want to pull the plug? Please. You think Johnny Football would be able to outperform Glennon in those same circumstances? I think he would have scrambled himself straight into the hospital.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:24 am
No way the Redskins trade Cousins with all the issues RGII has had in his first two seasons.
Maybe next off season but they would be crazy to trade him before they get a full injury free and productive season out of RGII.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:28 am
“WIth Johnny Millennial you’ll still have the 4th best QB in the NFC South”
Including backups, he might be 5th or 6th best QB in the NFC South.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:32 am
@Richmondtxbucsfan . It does make sense for us to get Watkins. Jackson is not getting younger. Williams is a good 2nd or 3rd WR. Who is coming back from an injury that kept him out pretty much the whole season. Watkins is not only a #1 WR, but he is also a great special teams player. Which I don’t have to tell any Bucs fan, we need. Watkins is a huge weapon and will only help and develop a QB such as Glennon. I agree we have many needs that can be addressed with #7 pick (DE,LB, maybe QB) but Watkins is a guaranteed play maker that would have immediate impact. Top analysts compare him to Dez and Julio. May not hold a lot of water but for anyone who has seen this kid play, you know he is a big time talent
January 9th, 2014 at 11:38 am
No matter who we draft or sign in free agency we’ll still have the 4th best QB in the NFC South. There’s no need to continue belaboring that tired point. It wasn’t a legitimate point the first time Joe brought it up, and it still isn’t. It’s a red herring thrown into the argument to try and back us away from Glennon and force us into the loving arms of Joe’s JFF who’s a bust-in-waiting.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:46 am
How do you design an offense around Manziel?? (& that is from someone who was once a big fan of Fran Tarkenton.)
See http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1916658-johnny-manziel-could-go-no-1-what-questions-must-he-answer-for-nfl-teams?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl
January 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am
I don’t want a 5’11” 200lb little prick QBing my team. Period.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:47 am
“But again, when you have the fourth-best quarterback in a four-team division in a passing league, you are painted into a corner.”
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As others have already said, with Johnny Football you’re still going to have the 4th best QB in your division. The whole argument that you need a QB better than these guys doesn’t make any sense. Just because you’re “painted into a corner” doesn’t mean you need to replace your quarterback with a rookie who’s going to do his blind spins in the pocket and get smashed by a DE. Maybe it means you need to have a great defense and a great running game.
In our division the QB talent goes Brees > Ice > Newton. ATL is out of the playoffs. Carolina WON the division with an offense ranked 29th in passing yards and 18th in scoring. BUT, they had a great defense. Hard to beat a team you can’t score on. The Saints clearly fit the mold of great QB and explosive offense. We’ll see how the playoffs go.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:50 am
Bucs will pick Anthony Barr or Khalil Mack to compliment Lovie’s defensive schemes. Barr is 6’4″ 235 lbs and has clocked in at 4.40 in the 40 yard dash. Why would you pass on a 6’4″ LB that runs faster than Doug Martin? 23 sacks in 25 games.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:54 am
@RealityCheck
Don’t confuse people with facts around here. You’ll incite the mindless mob. Let them sleep…it’s nicer around here that way.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:55 am
@Jordan – If we get Barr or Watkins I’ll be pumped. Both will be big time play makers and we’ll be set for a while at that position
January 9th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
I was born and raised in central Florida. For the last five years I have been living in Birmingham, Alabama, so you know what that means? It means I F ing hate Alabama and Auburn universities. With that being said, please draft AJ McCarron in the 2nd round. This kid will flat out get it done. Four losses in three years as a starter. Johnny Football is not our guy.
January 9th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
If Manziel will sell tickets. The Glazers will insist on the Bucs drafting him.
By that logic, Tim Tebow would be our No. 3 quarterback, preseason blackouts would be history and season ticket sales would be up. –Joe
January 9th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
yes patrick in va, i do agree with you that db 55 and those great players of yesteryear filled the stadium and tony brought us respectibility and divisional titles.and i did not mean to insinuate that dungy ie lovie was or is a bad coach.i have been a buccaneer fan ever since their inception to the league was at their first 2 playoff games under j mckay-eagles/rams and have been through the highs and lows over the 30+ years as a fan of this team,all i am saying is that the league has changed and the rules favor the offensive side of the ball-it is a pass happy league,i wish coach smith all the luck in the world and will always be a buc fan, but it is time to get a franchise dynamic playmaker at qb get some excitement back in the house,and light up the scoreboard-if lovie wants to be a top notch defensive team great but pleeeeze get us some thing to talk about around the water cooler and maybe a few more national spotlight games!
January 9th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
Is anybody comfortable that with this guy’s love of the party life? I am all for living life to the fullest, but I have a hard time seeing this guy sitting home and studying like a franchise QB needs to. Not sure he is ready for the responsibility.
January 9th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
I like Manziel, but I have too many questions about him. Right now he is more of a run around sandlot guy with size limitations and questions about his maturity. Boy, can he ever play football though… but do you want to trust your franchise’s future, and as a coach and GM, their legacies, based on this one player?
I like Bridgewater and Bortles better, ini Tedford’s offense I even like Derek Carr a little bit better. In round 2, you have Brett Smith, who is a lot like Manziel, but a couple inches taller and perhaps 10 lbs heavier, and though I wouldn’ think much of taking him in round 1, he would be great value in round 2.
January 9th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Will….college kids party? What, when?
January 9th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
AJ McCarron is a weak armed caretaker QB with poor pocket presence and is esaily rattled under pressure. These Alabama QBs have picked up where the USC QBs left off. Of course it’s easy for Brodie Croyle, john Parker-Wilson, Greg McElroy, and McCarron to look good, there’s dozens of 1st round picks lining up in front of you, behind you, and next to you. If you want a good QB in the pros, choose one that had to constantly face and overcome adversity on a play by play basis, not a guy that was a caretaker 99% of the time.
January 9th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Like I said NO JOHNNY FOOTBALL LB WR OR DE PLEASE! Glennon is ok once we get him some WR that can catch the ball period! No body pulling the plug on Geno Smith and Glennon out played him with less games played and a worst WR/TE coupe!
January 9th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
I’m not a scout, coach, or GM but I just don’t think Manziel’s game translates to the NFL. He’s a small QB that makes plays by scrambling plus he does not have a strong arm. Isn’t everyone down on Glennon because they claim he doesn’t have a strong arm? You still have to be able to play from the pocket. Look, I understand that Johnny is exciting to watch but that doesn’t mean he will win games on Sundays. You have to have a certain body type to play that style of football. I just don’t think his body would hold up to all of the punishment. We shouldn’t get caught up in the Johhny Football hysteria and highlight tape. I believe a lot of his deficiencies as a passer will be exposed if he throws at the combine (which he probably won’t). Give me an OL, Watkins, or best defensive player available with that #7 pick and I’m good.
January 9th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
I do like Johnny Football and believe in the right O he could be very good in the NFL. But the only thing guaranteed if we draft him is that the QB meeting room at 1 Buc Place will be the most interesting in the NFL. Manziel sitting next to Glennon has the makings of a great reality show…lol.
January 9th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
Anybody that uses stats to support Glennon, obviously doesn’t know what they are talking about. The stats that matter aren’t Glennon’s 19-9 TD-INT ratio, not his 83.9 rating, the stats that matter are that the Bucs finished dead last in total offense and passing offense. That Glennon took a sack once every ten times he dropped back to pass.
His stats were inflated by the fact that most teams were playing prevent in the 3rd quarter and Sullivan’s conservative play-calling and Glennon’s unwillingness to challenge the defense meant he continually threw safe passes and checkdowns the majoirty of the time. But he couldn’t keep the chains moving! He has no pocket presence and a stiff wind blows him over.
People try to compare Glennon’s stats with Peyton Manning in Manning’s rookie year… FAIL! True, Glennon had a 19-9 TD-INT ratio and Maning was 26-28, and Glennon had an 83.9 rating and Manning had a 71.2 rating. But Manning also took nearly half as many sacks as Glennon did while throwing over 150 more passes. Most importantly, Peyton Manning was TRYING to keep his lousy team in games and the Colts offense that year ranked #12 in the entire NFL. Glennon’s offense was dead last.
He is NOT the answer folks. Johnny Football might not be either, but one thing is for sure, Glennon, at best, can be a good caretaker of a team with a great defense (Brad Johnson) while Manziel at least has the potential to be a franchise QB. I prefer Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr, and even Brett Smith in round 2, over Glennon.
January 9th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
I think in the right system & talent Manziel could be great! He runs around too much & takes unnecessary hits like RGIII so I don’t think he will even be able to play a full 16 games & maybe not even last in the league like a franchise QB should. I think for a few yrs he can maybe be the guy which is why I wouldn’t take him that high. If I was the Bucs & I wasn’t completely sold on Glennon aka the most important position on the team than I would trade up to grab Bortles from UCF if possible b/c he is indeed my favorite QB in the draft. Poor mans Andrew Luck (b/c nobody is in Luck’s class) lol
January 9th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
FLBoyInDallas Says:
January 9th, 2014 at 11:38 am
No matter who we draft or sign in free agency we’ll still have the 4th best QB in the NFC South. There’s no need to continue belaboring that tired point. It wasn’t a legitimate point the first time Joe brought it up, and it still isn’t. It’s a red herring thrown into the argument to try and back us away from Glennon and force us into the loving arms of Joe’s JFF who’s a bust-in-waiting.
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COULD NOT AGREE ANY MORE! Thank you FLBoyInDallas! Very well said my friend! I was beginning to think I was the only person in this camp. Joe’s JFF (Johnny Friend Forever) is driving me nuts.
January 9th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
@ven4499
yeah you are supposed to make players around you better but i doubt glennon even had the freedom to take chances with sullivan’s offense. as a result, schiano just asked him to manage the game with not many weapons and schiano just tried to run the football and it was so predictable it ended up being embarassin to watch. with that being said i believe glennon should get some competition bring a schaub, vick or a cousin to make him push himself even harder then he already does, but im with dave moore we need a slot receiver and i believe hawkins could be that guy in 3rd down.also with jackson hawkins and williams u have your foundation at receiving for a couple of years imo.
January 9th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Buc1987, I get it.
Other then his body size I am just not sold he is ready for the mental jump and the prep that it requires. I can see Love Smith showing up at Mon’s and dragging him out kicking and screaming
January 9th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
The Bucs should do everything they can to put themselves in a position to be able to draft Johnny Football including trading up to the number 1 or 2 spot because he won’t be there at number 7.
January 9th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
Glennon plays only 13 games in NFL and you think he’s a failure.
Johnny Manziel plays 0 NFL games and could be Matt Ryan or Cam Newton. Lol logic.
Joe doesn’t know anyone who thinks Glennon is a failure. –Joe
January 9th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
Guarantee you that the same people saying Glennon is not the answer will be praising any 1st round pick after a worse season.
January 9th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
We are keeping Glennon period. WAYYYY to much fresking talent in this draft at the skill positions to take a gamble on Johny football when we have a rock solid guy who 100% deserves to be the starter next year. We can sit pretty at 7 and take who ever falls into our lap wether it be Sammy watkins, clowney or jake Mathews all would fill a need and give us a elite prospect. Now worse case scenario mike Glennon sucks.. Well guess what thay sets us up for the greyest QB to enter TE draft in years. Better then luck I’m my opinion.. #Famousjamieus
January 9th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
Newton Brees Rivers Kaepernick Manning Brady Luck Wilson
Those are the QB’s who are still around. That is the caliber of player needed at the position to compete, even if your a defensive minded team (like Carolina, San Fran, and Seattle are)
No way Glennon will ever touch any of those guys.
Johnny Football can. He torched the SEC.
Draft the man.
January 9th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
Also, take a look at what Glennon did as a starter at NC State, with no top 3 Wr, as in Evans, or no top 5pick Tackles, all of which were or will be drafted in the top 15 of the draft. Glennon played with sub-standard players around him, yet still, basically carried his team. He was not brought in to start this season, and I think it foolish not to give this kid a chance in a “competent” offense, a full off-season to learn a new system with some real talent around him. I agree Manziel is a dynamic talent, but IMO, the risk far outweighs the reward, for where this teams stands in need of talent. The risks for Manziel are not just, will his talent translate, but will he physically hold up.
January 9th, 2014 at 2:14 pm
Scratch Brees, Manning, Rivers and Brady off that list and you’re still left with a very big maybe.
We don’t want RG3 redux, a me-first loser who’s too big for his own britches.
January 9th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
I can see why people get excited but I’m vurry vurry skeptical, I can’t see him running around like a fool in the backfield in the NFL.
Then again if he does manage to fall to 7th and we do win 10 or 11 games… I’d be happy to do an about face
January 9th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
OB crop data:
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45952/349/2014s-quarterback-conundrum
January 9th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
1. Don’t act like you know Glennon’s ceiling
2. Manchild is not a Lovie guy lol
3. Manchild won’t be there at 7
January 9th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
I don’t get the man crush joe has with Johnny. Does he work as hard as luck, Wilson, manning, Brady? Or does he party like Ryan leaf. Sec defense also gave up a shit load of yards to Murray, Marshall, mccarron, and anyone else who threw the football outside of the gators.
January 9th, 2014 at 2:59 pm
how big was h.o.f. fran tarkenton? doug flutie had a damn successful career in the nfl and did he not win in the cfl also? i think manziel has always been on the short side throughout his whole life competeing from peewee football high school college or sandlot and you would think he would learn how not to take a direct hit.why not take a chance on him? did the bucs not take a chance on testeverde-dilfer-freeman? and what did that group get them?yea we won the superbowl with johnson,but he was not exactly peytonesque was he. this team has never had a qb that could take them on his back and lead them to a win except for d williams and they let him go,and you know what happend with doug after that? it is time for the face of the franchise to be locked in for the next 12-15 years whether its manziel-bortels-bridgewater-carr or whoever just get it done!
January 9th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
I think there is a 0% chance that he’s available at #7. A team like Cleveland or Jacksonville who’s starved for star talent will take him. 0 chance of getting Johnny unless we move up.
January 9th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
I think Lovie is going to revamp the roster with all that money and free agents. I believe he will draft the best available, maybe even a LB at pick 7. We all know what we need, but I can see them bringing in maybe 10 or 12 free agents. I think Lovie wants to win now and finding the best talent available to win now.
January 9th, 2014 at 11:27 pm
Love to watch Johnny play. IN COLLEGE!
Soon as he gets leveled by an NFL linebacker……….
I can’t believe so many people are putting Glennon down.
Forget about his rookie stats. He WAS a rookie. He HAD nobody to throw too. He HAD no Oline. He HAD no decent coaching.
Who do you think told him to throw those checkdowns? Who do think told him to take the sacks instead of taking the chance of an INT???
Jeez people.
January 10th, 2014 at 3:24 pm
Tebow like with the cameras I can see it now. Nobody wants that