Gil Brandt Loves Johnny Football
January 27th, 2014
The “godfather” of the NFL Draft surprised many in the scouting world
Joe loves listening to and talking to Gil Brandt. The famed personnel director for the Dallass Cowboys during their first dynasty is still a footballholic, oversees the combine for the NFL (which was his brainchild years ago), writes a column for NFL.com and is a regular analyst for SiriusXM NFL Radio.
The guy is a wealth of information and Joe finds his takes fascinating.
This brings Joe — and Brandt — to the Bucs. Only the diehard capos of the Mike Glennon Mob believe Glennon can lead the Bucs to meaningful games in January.
Joe doesn’t see it. Now Joe likes Glennon a lot. Good guy, but not a quality NFL starter. Joe would love for the Mike Glennon mobsters to sit down with him and show Joe what they see in the guy. Did he make his receivers better? No. Was he ever able to beat a playoff team? No. Worst of all, once teams got a book on Glennon, they shut him down the final month of the season.
What is Joe missing?
This brings Joe back to Brandt, who explained to Barista-training, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball box score-reading Peter King, of SI.com and NBC Sports fame, why he believes Johnny Football is the best quarterback in the draft.
A few league people raised their eyebrows when the godfather of the draft, Gil Brandt, put 6-0 Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel No. 1 on his first draft board. I asked Brandt why he did it. “I do have a tremendous belief in him,” Brandt said. “You are going to get 110% out of this guy every day of his life, every play of his life. If you don’t have a quarterback, and you want one, I believe this guy has a great chance to be good for a long time. This guy had an inferior team. And he beat Alabama, he beat Oklahoma. He’s down 29 to Duke in the last game of his college career, and he’s on the sidelines saying, ‘There is no way we are going to lose.’ This guy’s a better version of Fran Tarkenton.” About Manziel’s love of the parties, Brandt said, “He’s had a chance to do some things, at age 18, 19, 20 and 21, because of the financial backing of his grandfather, but the more I’ve looked into him, I just don’t believe it’s going to hold him back from being really good. The one thing coach [Tom] Landry told me a long time ago is you look for the good, not for the bad.”
What a great concept! One of the top coaches in NFL history said you look for the good in a player; not the bad.
Now for those of you that say Brandt doesn’t know quarterbacks, Joe has a little evidence to the contrary. Last year before the 2013 season, Brandt wrote that leaky Rip Van Freeman was one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL, worse than Christian Ponder, even. How prophetic were those words?
This, for a number of reasons, is why Joe would do what it takes to trade with the Lambs and get Johnny Football. There wouldn’t be a buzz or excitement surrounding this franchise by drafting Johnny Football since the time Team Glazer traded for Chucky.
An exciting, fun offense in Tampa Bay? What a concept!
January 27th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
Mostly every average Joe in this town thought Freeman was a franchise QB. So there you go.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Joe, it wasn’t his fault. It was bad coaching, bad schemes, bad weather (usually the sun was in his eyes), it was underwoods fault, it was Michael “Stone Hands” Clayton’s fault, etc. I think I got all the excuses in there, lol
January 27th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
Joe:
What do you think it would take to get a deal done with the Rams?
January 27th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Just don’t see it happening.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
@Snook
I just read a mock draft the showed the Falcons trading their 2nd rd pick to the Rams to swap places. IF that is possible, if I were the Bucs, I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Then you get either Bridgewater, Clowney or Manziel. THAT is a deal.
Joe, you think it could be done this cheaply?
January 27th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
If they go all in to get this guy I’ll understand but that doesn’t fix the OL, the 3rd WR, the missing CB, the DE and the LB to replace Watson and Casillas.
If Watkins, Barr, Clowney, Manziel, Bridgewater are not there I would trade down to get more picks in the draft. We are stuck with Nicks eating up cap space for nothing, overpaid Goldson and Revis and we’ll trade the farm to get a position that is in much better shape than several others in the roster? There’s a lot of talent in the draft that could help us like:
CJ Mosley, Aaron Donald, Dee Ford, couple of Oline I don’t recall their name but the point is we’ll get much more value for our #7 pick if we collect draft picks instead of giving all of them..
Face it, we won’t be able to afford much FA (Maybe Tillman, maybe Allen, maybe Mack, hopefully Hardy but it won’t be all of them) this year. We’ll need to go in the draft and again put some of them on the battlefield already..
I’ll trust the bucs they’ll pick wisely this year
January 27th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
If they go all in to get this guy I’ll understand but that doesn’t fix the OL, the 3rd WR, the missing CB, the DE and the LB to replace Watson and Casillas.
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Not true. According to Joe, he’ll make everybody better. He’ll single handedly beat playoff teams despite schemes and bad players around him. We’ll be super bowl bound!
Right Guys? LMAO
So dumb to think a rookie QB is going to do anything for us.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
Joe, I remember you talking about how the Bucs have to draft Lavonte David, next thing you know the Bucs draft David and he looks AMAZING.
I’m with you on this decision on drafting Johnny Football. This guy is a game changer.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Totally agree with the analysis, Johnny is the best prospect to come out in years IMO.
Absolutely electric player. He’s not a game manager but a game changer.
Go get him.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
@Snook and Harry,
I posted this on another article but fits here better.
Its all about supply and demand. The Skins gave up an arm and a leg because the demand far outweighed the supply. This year, the demand isn’t nearly as high, so it wont be as expensive.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
Got Mad Luv for Gil. But he did Draft Jim Jeffcoat over Dan Marino. Can’t get all right I guess.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Would you trade Johnny Manziel staight up for RG3?…..that is after giving up 3#1s and probably a #2….
No….why….because we’ve seen RG3 & Manziel has yet to be proven…..The grass is always greener.
As for Glennon, maybe he’s not “the guy”….but the price was right.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
joe love him some johnny football.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
how many NFL playoff teams has this guy beaten?
Do we have the draft picks to spare to trade up?
Can the Bucs really rake another big swing and miss? i.e. Nicks, Wright….
Surely Tampa’s not a party town where he might get into a little trouble………
How many SB have these high flying hot shot new age run around gun slingers gotten?
just too many risks here when Lovie has already said the D and ST can get 10 wins. just don’t see it happening.
……no point in defending MG…..he’s serviceable & low risk
January 27th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
@Harry says:
I just read a mock draft the showed the Falcons trading their 2nd rd pick to the Rams to swap places. IF that is possible, if I were the Bucs, I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Then you get either Bridgewater, Clowney or Manziel. THAT is a deal.
Joe, you think it could be done this cheaply?
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Not pick again until round 4 to get this kid? You give away our 2nd, we have no 3rd (for Revis). I cannot see our new regime starting out this way, nor would I want to see it happen.
January 27th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
My post got flagged for moderation. Here it is with the links taken out:
For the record, he was just as high on Colt McCoy.
Gil Brandt: “To me, Colt is Drew Bree s on the field and Drew Bree s off the field. But he’s about two and a half inches taller and he’s faster.”
But, I mean, I get it. You want to beat the drum. Um, no. You don’t get it. Joe never said or implied that Brandt was perfect. –Joe
January 27th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
If we don’t do everything we can to move and get this guy ahead of Cleveland it will be a major mistake. This guy is the best quarterback to come out in the draft since Andrew Luck. This guy is way better than RG-ME.
January 27th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
I don’t mind giving up later round picks to swap places for a player we want, but this crap where you give up 1st round picks from later years is too much.
It was too much for RG3 and its too much for Johnny Parties A Lot.
January 27th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
Joe he will be gone!!!!
Lets move on…
January 27th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
He will be gone by #7 but trading up isn’t out of the question if Lovie and staff arent sold on Glennon. Personally that would be idiotic but if there was 1 QB I’d want from this class I’d go with Manziel.
January 27th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
I remember from yesteryear where the Dolphins went to a Super Bowl with David Woodley. Good game manager. Voted team MVP. Set all kind of Miami rookie records.
Drafted Marino in first round.
Worked out well.
January 27th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
I say trade down a spot or 2 and get Greg Robinson in the 1st Jimmy Garoppolo and Cyril Richardson in the 2nd. Release Fatty Nicks. Make Penn take a pay cut and move to the right with his buddy Joseph.
January 27th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Why doesn’t Joe ask Brandt his take on Mike Glennon. We know your obsession with Manziel and how you will look and find others that make your case for him (or yourself for that matter). So in all fairness look and find positive things on Glennon. Oh wait, that means you would have to be fair. Joe’s going to cut you off right there. Your takes were nonsense. Joe has no agenda. Joe has published numerous posts with experts weighing in on Mike Glennon, pro and con. Feel free to check the archives. If Joe runs into Gil Brandt at the Super Bowl, Joe will surely ask him about GLennon. –Joe
January 27th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
And make Zuttah take a pay cut keep him for depth and sign Alex Mack and our Oline is set. We can always sign jared allen and Tillman in FA and get the rest of the pieces to the puzzle next year.
January 27th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
Johnny Football would certainly make each Bucs season that much more exciting, but unless Tampa plans on trading up to at least number three, if not number two in the draft and passes on Clowney (assuming that he isn’t selected first overall), Johnny won’t make it past Cleveland, IMO.
If the Bucs do trade up, I just hope to god it doesn’t require the same bounty that Washington gave up to get RG3 as that could really derail the future of this team if something were to go wrong a year or two down the road.
January 27th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
if tedford is going to run a spread offense would not manziel be the perfect fit? correct me if i’m wrong- not only that but it would instantly give the bucs big name and play recognition, also i think it would guarantee some national spotlight games as in monday night – thursday night – sunday night etc. any gaps can be filled in free agency, especially if we restructure revis contract-i don’t know the exact numbers but i think we got money to play with for the salary cap issue, also look at the excitement it would bring to the bay area. lovie is on record to saying that good defense wins 8-9-games a year. we will see, so i say do whatever it takes and draft the man child-what’s the worst that can happen we go 4-12 next year? or maybe just the opposite
January 27th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
The question is how will he help us win when he is
1) Drafted before the Bucs pick at #7
and
2) On injured reserve for most of his career
January 27th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
At very minimum this is a trade for this year’s one and next year’s one plus. He has to be Andrew Luck for that pick. I could care less about his off the field stuff. I love his brashness. I loved Richard Sherman talking the talk after walking the walk after the NFC Championship. I love his improvisation and I don’t mind that he runs. What I don’t like is that he plays like Kapernick and Newton but he’s the same size as Brees. He throws off his back foot all the time and the ball floats, when Favre did it, it was picked off many times but he still could put it on a laser. Comparing him to Russell Wilson is more applicable, but Wilson’s mechanics are much more solid. If he’s at 7 (won’t be) sure take him, but moving to 2 in a redskinesque trade is way to risky in my book. They rarely work out.
January 27th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Johnny-Football.html
January 27th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
Man, if we were to trade up to draft him, I would be so mad. So many needs on this team to go with a guy who will just end up injured like Vick.
January 27th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
QB is not the biggest need on this team. We need to solidify the O-Line. We need more speed at WR. We need consistent play at TE. We need an edge rusher at DE. We need an strong side backer opposite LVD who can cover. We need depth at DB. Bring in a Chad Henne or other veteran signal caller to mentor/push Glennon. He might not be Manning/Elway/Marino, but I think that he has shown enough in 12 games (19TD’s vs. 9 pics) to warrant a shot to prove through an entire offseason he can be and effective QB in the NFL!
January 27th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
Can’t wait until the draft starts so all the ” Johnny Football silliness” will end.
January 27th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
Chad Henne?
Oh be still my heart.
January 27th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
Johnny Lush = ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ’s
January 27th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
LUVMYBUC, oft-forgotten but it was Brandt/Landry that selected Troy Aikman, not Jimmy Johnson.
January 27th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
Trade up just for the chic he’s with in the pic!
January 27th, 2014 at 4:20 pm
I don’t look forward to your next 75 articles on Jonny football.
There really haven’t been that many. Somebody with too much time on their hands is welcome to count them up over the past two months. Joe would guess 14. –Joe
January 27th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
Just wish our record reflected just how bad our coaching was last year. We’d be #1 overall pick. Heck, just think the coaches would’ve run a few more stunts, we might have lost jsut one more game and been in much higher position.
Schiano pullin gout a few wins last year was almost as bad as Nailmoli signing a long term contract for a bigger jumbotron at the Trop.
January 27th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
I believe the hype, if the regime can get Johnny Football, go get him. I believe Tedford could maximize his talents.
January 27th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
All of you guys who don’t want Johnny Football are regoddamdiculous. First lets address the idea he’s too small. There’s some guy and I can’t remember his name who was also deemed as too small and he is not nearly as physically gifted and he’s playing in the Superbowl in his third year in the league. Another guy who was deemed “too small” is bound for the hall of fame and beat Manning in the Super Bowl. Johnny is going to be a stud and on top of that will sell tickets and for a guy who no longer lives in Tampa I would love to be able to see us on National TV instead of finding bootleg websites or going to a bar to watch the game. Rest of the postiions we can fill in free agency this year. Alex Mack, Tillman, Hardy, Allen, the list goes on and on. Tell me where there’s a potential franchise QB in free agency this year? Oh and Joe is right Mike “Napoleon Dynamite” Glennon is not a guy to take you into January just give up on him.
January 27th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
“Um, no. You don’t get it. Joe never said or implied that Brandt was perfect. –Joe”
Um, no. Since you offered the Freeman point as an example of him knowing quarterbacks, I offered an equal counterpoint. You generally lack counterpoints in your gushing praise for Manziel. Sure, it’s your opinion. But, the least you could do is, occasionally, provide some counterpoints. It makes you come off less fanboy-ey, and provides your readers the information to have a more balanced and broad spectrum as to the Bucs QB position needs.
I know you probably think you aren’t pushing Manziel that much. But, you really are. Even articles not about him, he finds a way to creep into them.
As you likely know by now, Joe doesn’t care how he “comes off.” Joe surely would go insane if he truly cared about such things. And you’re reading way too far between lines that aren’t even there. Joe’s written numerous times that draft picks are crap shoots. The whole history of the draft reveals that to football fans. It should be assumed. Joe could make boring counterpoints within each story about almost everything, but that would surely bore Joe to tears. Joe trusts the intelligence and perspective of his readers … most of them. ==Joe
January 27th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
and anyone that thinks manziel out projects RGIII, is looking at things through revisionist history. RGIII was more athletic, faster, stronger arm, better mechanics.
the only thing that Manziel might have him on is improvisation, but go Youtube RGIII, his highlight reel is kind of good too, and how many first round picks came out of Baylor during that period?
January 27th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
During the draft, when JFF goes at number 3 or 4, I’ll be looking at the
TV with tears running down my face, mascara running everywhere,
and I’ll whisper to myself: “I’ll never forget you, Johnny Football.”
Then I’ll run upstairs, throw myself into bed and sob uncontrollably
until daybreak.
January 27th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
On a different subject, I just read an article from rant sports that was kinda funny. It’s the top 5 players the bucs should cut this offseason.
5 Daniel Teo-neshim
4 D bowers
3 Carl Nicks
2 Akeem Spence
1 Mike williams
Lol kinda of a joke list!
January 27th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
As you likely know by now, Joe doesn’t care how he “comes off.” Joe surely would go insane if he truly cared about such things. And you’re reading way too far between lines that aren’t even there. Joe’s written numerous times that draft picks are crap shoots. The whole history of the draft reveals that to football fans. It should be assumed. Joe could make boring counterpoints within each story about almost everything, but that would surely bore Joe to tears. Joe trusts the intelligence and perspective of his readers … most of them. ==Joe
I read all of that as:
Joe (I’m doing your gimmicky third person thing) is going to yank Johnny’s crank until the page hits stop.
==ODB
January 27th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
ODB –
I would cool it mate or you will get Black Listed, relax dude.
January 27th, 2014 at 5:50 pm
hey mike j. great article and a damn good post thanx- if any one can not see this man can play the position than you’re just plain out biased or as they say in ole mexico fuera de tu mente-if you do not understand look at the article mike j posted-and then look up the translation
January 27th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
@Chef Paul Says:
@Snook and Harry,
“Its all about supply and demand. The Skins gave up an arm and a leg because the demand far outweighed the supply. This year, the demand isn’t nearly as high, so it wont be as expensive.”
I believe you are probably correct to a point. But I just dont see the value of trading up dropping from three 1st rd picks down to our 1st and 2nd rd. BUT if it did, one would be a total fool not to do that deal and have a “chance” at a real bona fide franchise QB for the next 15 years.
I just dont see it. I think it just seems like the “demand is not that high” because it is still very early.
January 27th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
@Joe:
“Joe trusts the intelligence and perspective of his readers … most of them. ==Joe”
Really?? LOL
January 27th, 2014 at 6:16 pm
You don’t have to like joes opinion.. and no one forces you to read the jfb articles… So why are you complaining.
I’m with you joe….I like jfb if we can get him…but I’ll be happy with any good pick clowney, matthews, mack,jfb, Watkins,
We will land a top prospect. Just the matter of what the coach and gm want.
January 27th, 2014 at 6:17 pm
If they pull trigger on Manziel it doesnt mean everything else on the team falls by the waste side. I trust this group far more than previous ass clowns.
January 27th, 2014 at 6:22 pm
i wonder what Joe and others thought of that goofy-looking 3rd round rookie with so-so stats in 2012. the one who led his team to the playoffs and got the QB Rating title ahead of peyton manning this year….eagles should’ve cut bait on that goofball after he crapped all over himself in 2012 by not repeating cam newton & RG3’s first-year impact. i mean, just look at his mediocre rookie year stats and that awful record. and don’t get me started on his non-tom-brady looks
given that the word at the pro bowl is that our schemes were “a joke”, and that we know no player (least of all a rookie who owes his job to the head coach) was allowed to deviate from what they were commanded to do by the coach, i’m not sure you can say we know very much at all about glennon from his gameday tape, aside from the fact that he commands the huddle, already uses his eyes and his brain better than josh freeman ever did, and has proven he can nail every throw an NFL QB needs to make. he lacks consistency and experience, but you worry less about that with a guys who appears to be as coachable as glennon is
January 27th, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Joe it’s amazing how you have failed to talk about anyone else but Johnny football….. Even more amazing how each time it’s a picture of him with some chick and booze in his hand…. The man crush of Johnny football grows
January 27th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
there are numerous off-the-field reasons why i could see the bucs passing on Manziel (fit our head coach, memories of our previous “franchise” QB, that QB’s agent, too many holes to trade up, etc), but even if the new brain trust can move beyond those, the biggest risk factor is this: Can Manziel play the way he played in college and survive multiple NFL seasons? if he can’t, either you are betting the farm on an unknown quantity (will he look like steve young or vince young when they coach some of the scrambler out of him?) or you are resigned to watching your backup QB start at least 25% of the games for you, a la mike vick.
January 27th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
james west, you are welcome. I am starting to come around on Mr Football myself.
Note that Greg Gabriel has many years experience as a scout in the NFL, & was Dir. of College Scouting for the Bears for 9 seasons.
January 27th, 2014 at 6:50 pm
Joe, I love your website, I’ve taken to the idea of johnny Football.
But Seriously, Wipe your chin off…
January 27th, 2014 at 7:02 pm
Joe-
i wrote a long post that didn’t come up for some reason, but the gist of it is: what was the take on nick foles coming off of his rookie year? he was written off based on pretty superficial analysis (box scores, goofy looks, draft status) after a rookie year where many factors conspired against his team. If the new coaching staff did what the general public expected by drafting a guy like Geno Smith, Chip Kelly might’ve ended the year with schiano-like heat under his chair instead of with a division title and the 2013 QB rating leader (ahead of a guy who broke the TD and yardage records this year). train wreck seasons can really cloud evaluations of individual players, and just one offseason can seriously move the needle for a guy like glennon who appears to be intelligent and extremely coachable.
January 27th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
@Pick6
As joe said in a previous article. Common sense and logic will get you nowhere on this site.
January 27th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
You have to admit that the Johnny vs Glennon threads are
pretty entertaining….but seriously,
You never know how one individual will react or what kind of chemistry
they’ll get thrown into. Johnny may very well become an excellent
starter in the NFL
January 27th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
@pick6 – I’ve tried logic and reasoning. These guys want shiny toys and they’ve been convinced that quarterbacks are what drives the league now and that’s all you need because that’s what the guys on tv told them. I’ve tried to appeal to them by making the same comparisons you’ve brought up saying that glennon could follow the paths of a foles or even a Manning and pointed out the similarities in traits but nobody wants to hear it. The people that want manziel don’t want to gear anything else and the people that don’t want him don’t want to hear anything else. We’re all just killing time until something meaningful comes around to talk about
January 27th, 2014 at 7:53 pm
“I don’t look forward to your next 75 articles on Jonny football.”
“There really haven’t been that many. Somebody with too much time on their hands is welcome to count them up over the past two months. Joe would guess 14. –Joe”
7 articles a month on 1 college player is ludicrous. I bet Texas newspapers don’t even come close to that when it comes to Manziel.
Newsflash: this isn’t a newspaper. –Joe
January 27th, 2014 at 7:59 pm
I disagree Buc1987.
I dont agree with joe’s take on Manziel or a rookie QB in general but Joe has made it clear he writes only on stuff that interest him, which clearly Manziel does.
Knowing that its not that crazy. But I do think Joe is bias and that shows with all the backhanded comments he makes about Glennon every chance he gets. That I’ve never seen him do before and I’ve been here for awhile now.
Jiminy Christmas. If you’ve been reading here a while, then you know Joe has biases and opinions just like any other fan. The problem is some readers here invent biases that Joe doesn’t have. Joe likes Mike Glennon, just doesn’t believe in the guy as a starting quarterback. It’s really not that odd, considering Glennon led the league’s worst offense and has not (by any objective account) proven to be an average NFL starter.–Joe
January 27th, 2014 at 8:06 pm
I support drafting Johnny, just not trading up to #2 to do it.
In my opinion there is only one player at the top worthy of trading up for, and that is Clowney. But I prefer to stand pat. Now, if it is a leap of 2-3 spots? Maybe, depending on the price.
The way I see it, either Bortles, Bridgewater or Johnny will be there at 7. No need to trade up.
January 27th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
I would rather see a Khalil Mack versus Anthony Barr argument/pros&cons instead of Glennon vs Manziel.. Its a more probable pick situation than Manziel and we have thrown every argument for and against this pick, it’s time to move on..
January 27th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
BucsQcCity Says:
January 27th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
“I would rather see a Khalil Mack versus Anthony Barr argument/pros&cons instead of Glennon vs Manziel.. ”
And yet, the Manziel articles get the most responses.
January 27th, 2014 at 8:32 pm
I still think Glennon will get much better next year but if for some reason JF ends up in our hands I will be happy.
January 27th, 2014 at 8:42 pm
joe ,teddy is a better qb than johnny football ,write something about him but you donot like him.
January 27th, 2014 at 8:44 pm
Oil Derrick Brooks brings up a good point. I think we would all be better informed if you brought more of an objective view. I mean there has got to be a downside side to drafting Manziel, right Joe? maybe not…
January 27th, 2014 at 8:50 pm
@Patrick in VA Says:
“I’ve tried logic and reasoning. These guys want shiny toys and they’ve been convinced that quarterbacks are what drives the league now and that’s all you need because that’s what the guys on tv told them…”
I always respect your opinion, QB’s do drive the league. There is no question about that. Sure D is still a major factor, but if you do not have a franchise QB, you are not going far.
Like you, I watched just about every Bucs game this year (as well as the past 20+ years), and I just don’t see it in Glennon. You are correct in the Foles comparison – it “could” happen. But how often does that happen? Maybe slightly more than drafting a Brady in the 7th round. All of our choices outside of FA are unknown quantities. And the FA choices are never going to produce a franchise QB.
The bottom line is simple. Glennon turning into Foles is FAR less likely than Bridgewater or Manziel becoming a franchise QB. I will play the percentages and go after Teddy or Johnny in the draft.
January 27th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
The Pic says it all! That is not who I want as the Face of our Franchise.. Get over your man-crush on jonny boy and get behind the QB we already have!
January 27th, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Love ya Couch man! You are telling it like it is!
January 27th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
I just can’t wait for the nest 75 “jonny football” commercials.. oops I mean posts by Joe Bucs Fan!
January 27th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
I’m just not going to engage in anything manchild related anymore (apart from this)
It’s gotten old extremely fast.
January 27th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
Joe,
Why do you continue to try and explain yourself to some of the ignorant fan base on here?
IT IS YOUR SITE,FU$& em if the don’t like they editorial and factual reporting and coverage you guys work so hard at let them get info elsewhere.
As a Bucs fans since the empty sombrero era ,I can honestly say your site is the most up to date,Entertaining and informative Bucs site(or media) that we as Bucs fans have had.Keep up the good work.Do I always agree with your point of view?No,but I know a lot goes into your view points and they are backed up with facts.That I Respect.On this subject Jonny Football,I agree he would be the most electrifying offensive player we have had on this team maybe ever.
January 27th, 2014 at 9:19 pm
Northend just got shiite on his nose trying to reach Joe’s nuts from the rear. I say next time just try getting there with a frontal assault, there’s less resistance.
January 27th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
Northend:
Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.
January 27th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Joe would fall over if Houston doesn’t draft him, hence why Joe never writes about him. It would be like Joe writing about bedding Lauren Spires. Won’t happen.
January 27th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
Teams that make blockbuster trades to move up lose, teams that let the draft come to them or trade down win.
When was the last time that anybody saw one of these all or nothing draft day trade deals translate into a championship for that team moving up? It usually works the other way around. I’m not talking about moving around late in the first round and beyond, just these ridiculous top ten mortgage the future deals.
January 27th, 2014 at 10:10 pm
Go Bucs!!!! Just wanna see a winner just win baby
January 27th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
There’s hope for the Bucs even without Manziel.. Carolina won the division with the 3rd best QB in the division!!
January 27th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai Says:
“The way I see it, either Bortles, Bridgewater or Johnny will be there at 7. No need to trade up.”
I see very few mock drafts that have anyone of the three QBs dropping to 7. And I love Clowney, but I am not sure about Bortles.
Without a franchise QB the Bucs will just keep floundering. We need to move up
January 27th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
I’m on to you Joe…whenever you need a boost to your click count you just write a ridiculous blog about how Glennon sucks and how great Manziel is.
I could go on giving reasons why Glennon can be a great QB but I already have done so many times before and would just be wasting my time. Plus I would just end up feeling stupid because I was tricked by your click growth strategy.
January 28th, 2014 at 12:24 am
Without doing any research and just off the top of Joe’s head, the Rams when they traded up to get Orlando Pace.
Of course, the Bucs “traded up” to get a coach and that seemed to work out OK in getting a Super Bowl ring.
January 28th, 2014 at 12:31 am
People, if you don’t like the Johnny Boy articles don’t read them. Nobody is forcing you. I stopped reading them awhile ago, though the comments are still interesting and entertaining. The only way the Bucs draft Johnny is if they trade up for him, which IMO is not likely considering the QB depth this year plus the Bucs have other major holes to fill. Watkins/Matthews/Mack in the 1st, Garropollo in the 2nd sounds better to me than giving up half the farm to draft Johnny Boy. But, hey, that’s just my opinion and let’s just remember the Joes are allowed to have an opinion too.
January 28th, 2014 at 2:00 am
The Texas A&M school newspaper probably doesn’t write about Manziel more than Joe does. Newsflash or not.
January 28th, 2014 at 2:54 am
Jiminy Christmas. If you’ve been reading here a while, then you know Joe has biases and opinions just like any other fan. The problem is some readers here invent biases that Joe doesn’t have.
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Well if I am inventing biases that you dont have. Clearly I’m not the only one. It’s fine though. It’s your opinion and your site im not complaining. During this time of year there isn’t much else to talk about. But again I’ve never seen you make such silly back handed shots at our players the way you do with Glennon. Again just my opinions.
January 28th, 2014 at 3:18 am
@SAMCRO
ahahaha
January 28th, 2014 at 5:29 am
@Harry – i’m not so sure that there is no question about qbs driving this league. If that were the case then Denver would be playing new orleans, Atlanta, green bay, or Philadelphia in the super bowl. All of those teams had either highly regarded or future hall of fame qbs driving the buys and they all lost out to the most complete team that has a decent to good qb. We saw in the playoffs just how useless a great qb can be if they are playing a great defense. So, I’d we give up the farm as some would have us do in the draft to go get a college kid that people have been made to believe us the second coming then we still get beat at least twice a year by the panthers defense and then shiver else is has been able to piece together a good d for that year.
We need to area the numerous holes we have throughout the team. this is like being convinced to go out and by a new iphone5 when your iphone4 is working fine but you just have to have the little widgets that you saw on the commercial. Meanwhile, you can’t put gas in the car and the water is getting shut off
January 28th, 2014 at 7:15 am
Patrick,I liked my IPhone 4 better than the 5.Just saying
January 28th, 2014 at 8:03 am
@Patrick
I am not saying we have to have Payton Manning as our QB. But we have to do better than Glennon, IMO. Our O-line I believe is rated as average. I would say our WR group is also about average. So, why was our offense last in the league? How could it be worse than the Jags? Glennon’s states are inflated from a dink and dunk passing “attack”, but even with that, he is in the bottom third of NFL QBs
January 28th, 2014 at 8:19 am
@Harry – And you’ll get better than the glennon you know simply by virtue of having a competent offensive coordinator in place and a head coach that does not try to dictate how the offensive game is played. Not to mention Glennon having a running game and someone besides Jackson to throw to. How easy do you think it was to figure out what we were doing when the defense knew we wouldn’t be running the ball effectively so they just had to decipher what we were doing within the offensive package we were showing to try and get the ball to Vince.
Also, Nick Foles flourished in a Chip Kelly offense when he was a nobody with Andy Reid. Sometimes it just takes having a system in place that fits your style better. From what I understand, and I don’t follow college football so I’m going off of what I’ve read, Glennon’s style works well with what coach Tedford will bring.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have one of those rocket armed, lights out QBs that the media can latch on to but that is not where I believe our focus should be. QB is not a hole right now. We have holes at LB, WR, OL and DE. Big, gaping holes.
January 28th, 2014 at 8:21 am
@Northend and @Patrick
To use your analogy, the Bucs are using a teletype, they would love an IPhone1 let alone an IPhone5
January 28th, 2014 at 9:21 am
@Harry – Our phone very well may have been just fine but we didn’t have an adequate plan. If the phone isn’t connected to a network then it’s pretty useless. If our coaches had a game plan from the 70’s then nobody on the team was set up for success. Add to that a cracked screen (significant offensive injuries) and it’s hard to see what the phone would’ve been able to do.
January 28th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
@Patrick in VA:
You are as hard headed as I am, lol
We are going to have to agree to disagree my friend.
January 28th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
@Harry – Fair enough. In the end, nobody in any position to make a decision cares what we think anyway 🙂 Pretty sure that Leicht’s first stop after learning his way around the building wasn’t to hop onto the JBF comment sections to get fan opinions on who he should pick. It helps to fill in the gap between now and the actual draft though
January 28th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
No no no to Johnny “spoiled rotten” Football.
January 28th, 2014 at 3:18 pm
@Patrick
Agree with you 100%.. To many holes on this team to ignore. Let’s see what a REAL coaching staff and GM can do bolster the roster. If Glennon is not the answer then next year we can go after the franchise QB we have always wanted in Tampa when the QB class is much deeper.
Question for Joe or anybody else: would we be having this JFF debate if Hundley, Petty or the kid from Oregon (can spell his name) didn’t return to school?
January 28th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
@Patrick in VA
Yeah, I doubt Leicht goes to Joe except to get Ms Watson’s #. And for advice he calls me directly… lol
I do not claim to know which QB to take in the draft, but I trust Leicht will choose the best one should the Bucs go that route. I am of the belief it is the QB who makes the receivers better and the coaches smarter, not the other way around.
January 28th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
@Harry – I think that your point is a valid one and it is generally the QB that makes the coaches look better but that’s after said QB has had a number of years in the saddle to learn how to function at a high level in the NFL. It took a few years for Peyton to start looking great, Brady rode the bench and a number of people believe that it was the defense that won that first super bowl, Brees was ok but not great while in San Diego. In fact, I’d love to see someone find evidence of a player coming in and dominating in his rookie year by actually having control of the offense and picking a defense apart. We can go get one of those scampering QBs but that isn’t going to do anything to make the coaches any smarter as those scramble yards are going to be there because of broken plays that are improvisational and that has nothing to do with the coaching. It takes a few years for any QB to pick up on how to function at a high level in the league.
We have a smart QB who has the potential to be that guy who is smart enough to pick apart a defense. He needs to get some coaching on mechanics, he needs to have a coach that will allow him to open up the playbook a bit, he needs an offseason to work with the starting receivers, but mostly he just needs to be able to build off of what he was learning under fire last year