Schiano Still Needs A Deuce
December 1st, 2013
Where does Greg Schiano stand with ownership at 3-9?
Nobody Joe knows thought the Bucs would win today, but they weren’t competitive against Carolina, which is always a red flag when it’s a division game.
And that’s not a good thing for a second-year head coach who’s 3-9.
Greg Schiano has led the Bucs’ revival from 0-7. He deserves plenty of credit, and Team Glazer showed him verbal public love last Sunday, but the wind blows quickly and swirls on a dime in the NFL. Joe’s sure Schiano is still fighting to keep his job in 2014.
Four games remain this season, and Joe is sticking with his mid-October call that Schiano needs five wins to return. It’s going to be hard — it should be hard — for Team Glazer to endorse a Schiano return if he only wins one more game and finishes 4-12. That’s just reality.
If the Bucs beat the Bills at home next Sunday and lose three straight, that won’t inspire much confidence.
Joe’s not a Glazer, however, and Joe has his own feelings. Joe wants to see how the Bucs perform in these final four games, but Joe would endorse a Schiano return with two more wins out of the next four.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:08 pm
What the heck Joe bring back a coach who may win 11 games in two years. It is the coach job to get the job done,in the words of this coach”this is a performance base job”
As Joe’s written, if Schiano wins another couple of games this season, Joe’s ok with his return. You seem to assume the Bucs will be able to outbid other teams for a better candidate. Again, this comes down to wins. If Schiano goes 5-3 in the second half, Joe sees no reason to blow that up.–Joe
December 1st, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I sense that even if we lose out Schiano gets a mulligan but is required to draft a top flight QB in the 1st. That way another bad year and he can get canned with a good couple of QB prospects on the roster
December 1st, 2013 at 5:10 pm
I say give him 1 more year….too many variables out of his control…
December 1st, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Here comes over reaction city. It goes something like this…Glennon is an AWFUL quarterback. We should blow the whole thing up and start over. Vincent Jackson got caught again from behind, he should be cut. We don’t know how to draft, look how bad our DLine was today. Revis sucks, he is stealing from the Bucs. Goldson is a waste, Tandy is better.
Don’t get me wrong, bad game, but we were due. We couldn’t run the ball last week and got away with one. We couldn’t run at all today and we just don’t have the weapons right now to be effective.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:12 pm
I would prefer for him to get to 6 wins to keep his job. I think he’s done a good job the last few weeks, but it’s not right to just totally ignore the first 8 weeks. That being said, I don’t see him getting fired if we go 5-11.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Unless this team goes Raheem Morris in these final games, Schiano is the HC next year. We all know this.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Sound logic and I would agree. 4 wins or less isn’t going to get it done.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Our boys got demolished in the trenches today. This falls on coaches and GM. Glazers have to be looking hard at that
December 1st, 2013 at 5:25 pm
That game was brutal. I hate cam not and broken raft ron. But this team we have is still fighting through everything it’s been through. I’m all for Schiano no matter the record as long as the team doesn’t quit.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:26 pm
I agree with Joe.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:26 pm
I am pretty confident the Bucs have a Week 17 victory against a Saints team that will be resting starters. They should be able to put together a win against either the Bills or Rams. The 49ers game, no chance at all. So that would put us at 5 wins, which would save Schiano if you are right Joe. The only question I have at that point though is what changes other than draft picks and some free-agent personnel adjustments? This coaching staff has proven over this season that they fear change to schemes and have no ability to adjust.
If this team retains Schiano and most of his staff and opens 2014 with an 0 and 4 record, what then? I would say that would force the Glazers to turn everything over and that type of move mid-season could essentially set this franchise back 3 to 5 years. We have the players in place coming into 2014 to compete. The coaching staff is the only big question mark on this team right now. Even Glennon has proven he can play, and Tampa won a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB. It was the team around the QB, mostly the defense, that won us that Super Bowl. With that being said even at this point, bringing back Schiano and his hard-headed ways is a huge recipe for disaster. We finally get the Glazers to open the wallets and we have a head coach who has no clue how to use them.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:26 pm
We need to uncouple Glennon from Schiano. We’ve fallen into the belief that Glennon’s future depends on Schiano. I don’t believe that! If Glennon is a good QB, and I believe he is he will possess the same skills and perhaps even flourish under an offensive-minded coach.
I’ve seen enough, Schiano is a throwback defensive-minded coach that is not going to change. We will win some games, but we will lose a lot more if Schiano returns for another year. Glennon, I can see now is over-scripted and will always be under Schiano. I think he has a lot of potential, but must be allowed to play to win regardless of some rookie mistakes.
Schiano may be back, but it won’t be because I voted for it. I’ve seen enough!
December 1st, 2013 at 5:35 pm
What I want to see next year is a healthy Bucs team, regardless of who the coach is. No more “damaged goods” when it comes to Revis and Nicks. If Nicks can’t find a way to play because of his mysterious toe injury/MRSA then he is a salary liability and needs to be cut, all he is doing right now is eating up the Glazers money and taking up a roster spot ever since the Vikings game LAST SEASON. Nicks is a nice guy, but this a business. Revis had over a year to rest and rehab his ACL and was not 100% this season and I no longer believe he is the best corner in the league. He’s now blown out his groin or whatever, sit him for the season like Martin and Mike. We need all 3 of those guys at 100% by Week 1 next year. Also, Jeff Demps, Mike James, Michael Adams, and especially Connor Barth will be a welcomed returning party for next season.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:38 pm
A Schiano coached team looks like the results I get when I squeeze out a deuce.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Did the Bucs have any fight in them today? Not imo. Carolina is a better team but are they that much better that they have blown out the Bucs twice this year? I dont get if the Bucs win 2 more Schiano should come back. If this was year 5 or 7 or whatever year of this rebuild plan then why give up a 1st and a 3rd and tons of cash for Revis?
The owners, players, and fans were not expecting this period. Things happen sure, lots of other teams its happened 2 as well. Well see how this ends put lets put back the Glennon/Schiano train moving forward.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Good point Macabee… And it’s aggravating to have coach who obviously can scout players very well, but is just stubborn enough to possibly hold them back. My honest opinion on Schiano is that he’s a great coach who is taking his lumps and “playing like a rookie”.
Look at the coach we faced today. Hell there were games where we said Raheem Morris outcoached this guy, now he’s got stacked young team who is bulldozing a path towards the playoffs and possibly a division title.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:48 pm
This was predictable, Carolina is a very good team and exposes our deficiencies; specifically pass rush/contain & lack of elite athletes/speed/difference makers on offense…not to mention the injuries have caught up.
Speaking of injuries or game time missed: Revis and Goldson have been a little disappointing thus far. I love DR24 but he is clearly playing differently post-injury. Not in his actual coverage, but in the way he is bracing for impact and landing/falling…I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s creating new injuries in the process, I’m not a doctor I just slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
A lot of money being paid to a lot of players that aren’t…well you know, playing. Carl Nicks, Mike Williams, Goldson hasn’t been reliable as he’s a walking suspension most games, and now Revis these last 2 games. Team Glazer can’t like that.
To date, the team hasn’t been able to hit on all cylinders for one complete game. Typically it’s Lindell crapping the metaphorical bed…today he was the only reason this game wasn’t a shutout. Coaching has to be liable. Love Schiano the man, and have been pulling for him hard….a lot of weird stuff at One Buc this year…peculiar things indeed.
December 1st, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Schiano can scout players? His version of scouting players is, “Derp, this guy went to Rutgers. I know he plays good then.” lol
December 1st, 2013 at 6:02 pm
I don’t think Schiano is in any danger. I admire the way he fought back the last three weeks. I thought he was a gonner. Panthers are too much for us at this point.
One more year of Greg and the rock. But if we aren’t at least playing in a wild card game then it’s getting ridiculous and time to move on.
December 1st, 2013 at 6:07 pm
I guess the Carolina Panthers are not yet in Christmas Spirit like the Detroit Lions were a week ago. Someone will have to teach them how to play Santa Claus like the Detroit Lions do.
December 1st, 2013 at 6:19 pm
You are what your record says you are. With this coaching staff the Bucs will win games against bad teams, but will only rise to the level of Mediocrity
December 1st, 2013 at 7:11 pm
5 wins isn’t enough to keep the Schiano circus IMO.
December 1st, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Who cares they are just bad and they will be the same next year good luck cant watch anymore
December 2nd, 2013 at 11:08 am
Schiano does have the kniw how or temperament to be a pro head coach. Winning three straight games was the worst possible scenario. Keeping Schiano means no progression and probably regression.
December 2nd, 2013 at 11:15 am
If they are least competitive in the final games of the year, Schiano stays with 4 total wins. Carolina is just a better team..period! Their defensive front 4 dominated our O-line and are front 4 sucked against the pass….really couldn’t get close to Newton. GMC surprisingly was manhandled all game by their OG.
Schiano had to deal with Freeman’s total laydown and selfish handling of his benching. Starting Glennon has to give at least 2-3 weeks of handling the offense. And then losing their top 3 running backs, #2 receiver, Revis really 1/2 the player he was for at least 6 games (and injured again). Bottom line is their OLine is overrated and they are playing with like 12 non-roster players that weren’t playing anywhere.
5 wins for sure keeps his job and 4 wins with competitve play in others does too