Lovie Lover/Colleague Continues To Stump
December 19th, 2013
Joe noted seven weeks ago that former Bears director of college scouting, Greg Gabriel, seized a national forum to lobby for Jerry Angelo to replace Bucs rockstar general manager Mark Dominik.
Joe saw that as Angelo stirring the pot, via has former employee, to garner attention. Angelo also just so happens to live in the Tampa Bay area.
Gabriel was curiously chattering again yesterday.He came on WDAE-AM 620 to talk to host Ron Diaz and guest host Tyoka Jackson, the former Bucs defensive lineman.
Gabriel raved about Lovie the man and Love the head coach, and Lovie the defensive architect. And Gabriel said he’s sure Lovie will be a head coach in the NFL in 2014. And, whaddya know, Gabriel talked about how he’s hearing Greg Schiano won’t be back next season.
At least Gabriel acknowledged that Lovie went through four offensive coordinators in Chicago and needs help in that area.
You can listen to the audio below and draw your own conclusions. Joe can’t recall hearing Gabriel make his way to local Tampa radio before. No surprise.
December 19th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Just don’t think the Glazers want to make a change now….not saying that’s the right or wrong decision…just my opinion on where they are.
I believe they are onboard with a longer term plan and were expecting a tear down and a bumpy road in the process.
December 19th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
I actually don’t share your same views based on the fact that I don’t think the glazers would pay Revis 16 mill a year if we are in this “long term rebuilding” situation. The Revis move screams contenders right now. So I think “and hope” the glazers only kept him so we’d have a promising job opportunity available to the next big name hc to take a roster with arguably a lot of talent and a high draft pick. But that’s just reading between the lines of actions we’ve takin as a organization. I just don’t see any of our recent roster moves saying where Ok playing the waiting game while we figure it out
December 19th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Plus Penn and that line ain’t getting any younger. This was the supposed playoff year. The whole thing was bungled, all the way down to counting on Fraudman.
December 19th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
I’d be fine with Lovie coming in as head coach. Just as long as he had an experienced OC with a good track record who could have full control of the offense.
December 19th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
No, no, no, no, no, no. No more ‘Dungy-ball’. Thanks a lot, Joe, now I’m going to have nightmares.
December 19th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
MANY national analysts picked the Bucs to win 6 games tops this season. 6 games. Well it looks like they are going to fall well short of that. BUT for some reason Buc fans all across this site and the Tampa Bay area think the Bucs should have been playoff contenders. I was one of them. Now it’s become FACT the national analysts were right and the Buc fans were wrong. Yet you’ll still see fans on here claiming this team was built to win now and should have been making a run at the playoffs. Hell they got Revis and Goldson right? Well that did not faze the “experts” prior to the season now did it? They still picked the team to win 5-6 games before the season even started.
Many people on this site forgot about those predictions or choose to forget.
December 19th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
I say hire Lovie Smith as head coach, bring in Rod Marinelli as defensive coordinator and do whatever possible to lure Norv Turner from Cleveland to take over the offense.
December 19th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Grumbling out of Chicago, is that this will be Julius Peppers(Possible Cap Casualty), Devin Hestors(FA) and Charles Tillman(FA) last year in the Windy City. All three of course voiced their displeasure with the release of Lovie Smith. Will they be reunited in Tampa with Angelo/Smith? Do Revis fit into the plans if they tried to acquire all 3?
December 19th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
This team is built to win when you produce a 9th ranked offense and add additional pieces to your secondary to give u a formidable defense remember we HAD the 9th ranked offense and HAD the number 1 ranked rush defense so when u add your pieces to the secondary like Revis and goldson that means contenders. But that’s unless u change something dramatically within the scheme and play calling and roster..ie Bennet .then u have what we have as a underachieving squad with arguable talent. We just need results from the roster and that comes from coaching the roster and game day adjustment so that we aren’t being out schemed as we so often are on sundays…. and Thursdays for that matter. But that falls back on Schiano and his minions
December 19th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
For those of you that thought this team was built to win now prior to the season. Keep in mind why some of you thought that. Some thought that Freeman, Martin, Williams, Nicks, and Jackson were all the Bucs needed on offense. If that’s true then take out Freeman, Martin, Nicks, and Williams. What are you left with? A team that’s built to win now? I say your left with a slowing down Vjax.
Wow what an offensive juggernaught the Bucs should be. I don’t get why they can’t score more points with a rookie 3rd rd QB and a slowing VJax. (all pure sarcasm of course)
December 19th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
It was glaring for all to see that there was something wrong with the offensive scheme starting on week 1 vs the Jets.
Someone on here, I think PRBucfan or Splengo suggested that the Bucs O was figured out half way through last season and that’s why the offense sucked this year. Defenses have figured out Sully’s vanilla playbook and it just carried over into this season.
Telling sign they might be right is the 41-0 beatdown by the Saints last season. The Saints had the worst D in the league and they pitched a shutout against that 9th ranked offense.
December 19th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
The jags have better offense with less talent but I’m sure u can find any silver lining if u look long enough bro. Knock it off injuries happen every where. Ask Brady he’s got no receivers no tight ends and fumbling backs and I dare any of u to say don’t thro the Brady comparison out there cuz I’m not. Yet you guys do when it favors Glennon o go check his rookie stats compared to Brady and mannings. Bottom line someone needs to make the offense go weather Glennon needs to make better throws tale more chances or Schiano and sully need to call more of a uptempo game plan with spread out receivers to benefit his strength. Square peg n round hole or round peg. In square hole ???
December 19th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
@ BucNasty
I think it is possible that the Glazers signed off on putting the pressure on Freeman….knowing that could go either way….and when it went south…they were onboard with the development with Glennon and the longer-term plan.
Again, I’m not saying that’s the right way to proceed…but nobody has all of the information they do.
If you are right, we won’t have to wait long to find out.
December 19th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
The jags have a better offense then us knock it off either Glennon needs to take more chances or throw more accurate passes or Schiano and sully needs to run a more uptempo pace an spread the receivers to suite Glennon strength. Either way u can put the round peg n the square hole and u can’t put the square peg in the round hole it. Doesn’t work either way u gotta match it up fellas
December 19th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Tbbf. I respect that we shall see I appreciate you knot coming for my opinion in a negative manner much obliged fellow buccaneer. Here’s hoping for 2014
December 19th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Just heard on the radio that Lovie is interviewing for the Houston gig. If I’m Lovie, I’m taking Houston over Tampa, unfortunately for the Bucs.
December 19th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
@ BucNasty
Been a fan since the beginning…try to respect other fans….realizing its frustrating to be a Buc Fan…this is what we all have in common.
I find myself in a difficult spot with Schiano….rooting for him to succeed, but not having a great deal of confidence in that.
I don’t have all the facts the owners have, or inside discussions/expectations. For all I know, Schiano is safe….or he is dead coach walking” either way, its the Glazers call…and either way as fans we have to live with it or find another team.
December 19th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
No thanks to Lovie because the Dungyball comment is spot on. The problem here is Schiano already has the same playbook. It’s way too conservative.
I was a supporter of his until this very Sunday. Killing a successful no huddle effort because “we didn’t practice that” is inexcusable.
December 19th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Maybe Lovie goe the way of Dungy and wins a Super Bowl not messing with the offense…Not saying we have the Colts hay day offense, but the man may have learned a few things along the way. Dungy ball at least got us to the play offs all but one year, what has Shiano ball achieved? Remeber, Dungy toght this team how to win back in the 90’s.
December 19th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
No problems in Tampa with the Defense other than some minor tweaking,
the offense is the problem.
OC
QB – Glennon and Freeman
Injuries
all were/are weaknesses
If a change were made to Lovie/Angelo
i could only see it if the offense were addressed as part of the coaches interview requirements.
I do not know what the aversion to Dungy-ball is around here.
he was probably the Bucs greatest coach on and off the field and who really established Tampa as a Quality Organization.
AND look at his Coaching tree that continues on Coaching in the NFL
Including Mike Shula.
It was his loyalty/stubbornness regarding his staff/OC that cost him his job.
but he landed in Indy with the hiring stipulations on the Offense (do not touch it)
and won a Super Bowl.
What is wrong with that?
Lovie lost to Dungy in that Super Bowl and
if Lovie were to return to Tampa
Perhaps the Luster of the Glory Days of the Buccaneers would as well.
At least to many prospective Season Ticket Holders…
Perhaps the Glazers realize that they need to get back to a Players coach
December 19th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Hawk doesn’t like winning no dungy ball he says wow now come up from going down on your boy friend and get some air
December 19th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
god forbid they hire a man….but then what is the clique wannabe media buc mafia to do without their suck up?…..lemme guess spend show after show minute after minute dogging the new guy because he refuses to do the golf tournament and lick the boots of wannabes?…oh the horror!
December 19th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
No to Lovie Smith. Unless it is as a DC.
No to Gruden too, because people around here seem to forget what kind of coach he was (the stab players in the back kind).
This team cannot be considered as being built to win until they have an elite quarterback, because that is the only way to win consistently in this division.
That’s the bottom line.
(and no, I don’t think Johnny is the answer)
December 19th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
OOOOOOOOOO WEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! If we get Lovie(weird cause I nicknamed my wife Lovie when we were dating) I will renew my season passes. I told my rep I don’t like the team’s direction and getting tired of hiring and firing coaches. Lovie screams confidence, discipline, and respect. We don’t get that with Schiano. If Schiano stays I stay on the golf course improving my game…
December 19th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Lovie and the TAMPA 2 will not work here, We dont have 4 #1 picks on the D-LIne that are hungry only 2 .. It seems ike the running of the tampa 2 all game long is been figured out.
Get NOrve Turner as OC/Asisstant head coach. Schiano starts bad you have someone in place who has won at this level..
bring back the Cowboys staff ( davis, turner, weinstedt)
December 19th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Bring lovie in as DC ?
December 19th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
@ Buc Neckid
The complaint I’m hearing consistently, is the Bucs run on 1st, run on 2nd, and throw ‘short-of-the-sticks’ on third. *That* is the definition of ‘Dungyball’. No argument that Coach Dungy did some good things for the Bucs, but he also hurt them.
Regardless of which of his four OCs or three QBs, the scheme was always the same. His stubbornness at wanting to fit a round peg in a square hole is why he is #4 on my list of greatest Buc coaches.
December 19th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
“I do not know what the aversion to Dungy-ball is around here.”
Maybe you haven’t noticed the trend, but, the NFL has been progressing towards an offensive driven league for many years. There’s probably many reasons for it, but, they likely all relate to $.
For one, the rules they are making to protect WRs and QBs are likely to limit future liabilities in the court system. However, on the field, it’s going to lead to more points scored. Dungy ball-like 13-10 games are becoming more scarce.
And, I wouldn’t doubt that some owners are listening to things like marketing studies that show firepower sells tickets and brings more viewers.
Do hardcore footballheads love defense, and defensive games? Helz yes, but, the thing is, the already have us. They want MORE. Why do you think they are playing games in Europe.
They owners want more $$ and want less future liability. This means more points being scored.
We can look at the obvious, or we can stick are heads in the sand, and pretend it’s 1978.
Either way, Dominick is mediocre.
December 19th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Biff Barker Says:
No thanks to Lovie because the Dungyball comment is spot on. The problem here is Schiano already has the same playbook. It’s way too conservative.
I was a supporter of his until this very Sunday. Killing a successful no huddle effort because “we didn’t practice that” is inexcusable.
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100% agree with you
December 19th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Sorry Guys
You are missing the Point
The Hiring Stipulation that the Glazers would/should put in would never allow any new coach to go back to that
NOR would they gut this team for a new System.
They spent too much money on Free Agents in recent years to start all over again this soon.
They will go into this like they did when they hired Gruden.
The Defense is great,
The offense needs help.
And I don’t see a pure offensive minded head coach coming in here like Gruden again
Tampa LOVES its defenses and this one is becoming great.
Bring in Lovie with conditions on the type of offense that they want
(not Run, Run, Pass)
December 19th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Gruden, is literally the best Coach we’ve EVER had. So what Simeon Rice (After his shoulder injury), Michael Clayton and a few other cry babies felt shafted. There’s not one coach out there right now, that’s more qualified for the position.
December 19th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Gruden was the 3rd best coach in Buccaneers history IMO but I will always love him for winning the big one.
December 19th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
The G.O.A.T -Derrick Brooks said it best.
Derrick Brooks said that divisiveness is a fact of life on a team.
“Everybody is not going to be on the same page. Everybody is going to have differences,” Brooks said. “That’s the point of a relationship. But through those differences, you find a positive light and you move on.
“Now, did some players have certain issues at certain times? Yes, they did. That’s part of being a team,” Brooks said. “Now, what those issues were, I have no idea. Do I come in here smiling every day? No, I do not. I have issues, too. But at the end of the day, I put them aside and go to work because that’s what we get paid to do.”
December 20th, 2013 at 3:59 am
just say no to lovie as hc and angelo as gm!
maybe lovie as dc, but a marginal maybe.