Glennon Smarter Than Freeman
December 27th, 2013
Saints S Malcolm Jenkins seems to be a fan of Bucs QB Mike Glennon
Joe really believes that if Bucs commander Greg Schiano survives to coach the Bucs another year, it largely will be because Team Glazer offered Schiano a mulligan for how Rip Van Freeman maliciously attempted to tear apart the team and, in doing so, tried to Pearl Harbor Schiano’s career in order for Mr. Third String/Healthy Scratch to get his selfish way.
In the short term, there is no question Mike Glennon was not getting the Bucs anywhere. But in the short-term, to read the remarks of safety Malcom Jenkins, the Bucs may be better off in the long-term. Jenkins was asked to compare Freeman with Glennon.
“Glennon makes more smart decisions,” Jenkins said. “Not all forced much and they’ve done a good job running the ball to keep some of the pressure off him. The one thing I do see is he’s a little more patient and doesn’t try to force it when he doesn’t have anything.”
Jenkins also stated Freeman was a much better passer when he had to improvise and rolled out of the pocket.
Yes, Glennon is a much better pocket passer than Freeman. Much better. But the key question for Bucs fans is this:
Can Glennon improve and develop quickly enough as an NFL quarterback to save Schiano’s skin with the Bucs?
December 27th, 2013 at 8:09 am
@ Joe – That’s not necessarily a fair question. The question should be, can the O-line improve fast enough to give Glennon a chance to try and save Schiano’s job
December 27th, 2013 at 8:58 am
I don’t know who the smarter QB is, but time will tell who has the better record as QB for the Bucs. As for Malcolm Jenkins’ assessment, I have to put that in the category of his opinion, because these are facts not in dispute.
The Bucs under Josh Freeman and Raheem Morris beat the Saints once for 3 years in a row – in the Dome in 2009 and 2010 (not easy to do in their house) and in Tampa in 2011. And might have lost to Freeman in 2012 had Jenkins not chased down Vincent Jackson after an 80 yard reception to the 3 yd line from which we did not score. We have not beat the Saints since 2011 and is not expected to win Sunday.
Mr. Jenkins, to my knowledge has not played against Glennon yet, but he was there and on the field for all of those whippings by Freeman as he was a first round pick by the Saints in 2009.
Malcolm is entitled to his opinion, but I have to conclude that it is just that – his opinion!
December 27th, 2013 at 9:12 am
@Macabee – Pretty sure he’s done a fair amount of film study on Glennon by now. He may not have been on the field with him but the film room is where you learn the way an opponent reads and reacts to what you’re giving them. I’m probably the least knowledgeable football person I know and even I can see that Glennon makes smarter decisions than Freeman so I would imagine that the defenders that are studying him can see that a lot clearer
December 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Glennon is smart but he’s too cautious. Part of it is him and the other is the offensive scheme. Too many ISO/option routes that several qbs in this league would have a hard time excelling in.
December 27th, 2013 at 9:23 am
what is he suppose to say Glennon stinks and we are going to roll his sorry butt. I don’t really see a lot of respect for the bucs there. “they have done a good job of running the ball to keep pressure off him” really?!? 1.5 yards per carry. We all need to stop with this Schaino/Glennon love fest. Schiano did a great job cleaning house of the selfish overrated players but other than that. I see him as unyielding and unwilling to make necessary changes to get better. Which includes getting better talent at the quarterback position.
December 27th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Patrick,
I agree with every word you said. But you and I both know that what goes in the record books are stats – primarily wins and losses. What I stated above is fact documented by the NFL record book.
I can’t debate who is smarter on the field, Glennon may be and early evidence suggest that he is. But the only thing that will be recorded is wins and losses!
December 27th, 2013 at 9:24 am
32nd ranked offense. We don’t have a chance. We won’t have a chance with Glennon & Schiano at the helm next year either.
December 27th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Regarding the media fish-fry of the OL, how much (or little) has Glennon and Sullivan’s playcalling and design helped them? Very little. Glennon has held onto the ball too long and is not able to locate receivers and get it out quick enough under duress. Sullivan has done nothing to help: poor play calls on 1st and 2nd downs constantly putting team in 2nd and 3rd and longs, not ever deviating from the QB release point, and lack of diversity in receiver route trees (not scheming to get receivers open).
Good QBs and offenses find a way to succeed under heavy pressure. The Bucs have neither.
December 27th, 2013 at 9:42 am
I listened to an interview with Desmond Howard where he was asked what type of QB he would draft if he were a GM. He indicated that he would steer clear of “athletes” at the QB position like RGIII, Vick, Manziel and opt for a more traditional pocket passer like Manning or Brady. His reasoning seemed pretty sound. Most “athlete” QBs are usually converted from another position or play multiple positions whereas traditional pocket passers are typically groomed at the position through QB camps and such from a young age. He likened it to football IQ versus QB IQ. Freeman didn’t start out at the QB position as a youth, Glennon did. And while Freeman can throw a ball the length of the field, he doesn’t have the patience to allow plays to develop resulting in “happy feet”. Conversely, the youngster shows more poise in the pocket(though not lately whilst on his back!). Glennon will hopefully improve as he gets more experience, hopefully.
You can just tell that Glennon has a better “feel” at the position. Only time will tell who the better QB is(you can’t throw passes riding the pine! Sorry Josh!).
December 27th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Glennon has to learn to throw a WR open. He has a tendency to wait for the WR to look completely open before he throws, and by then it’s usually too late.
He’ll get better, but I still think he’s more of a WCO type QB.
He’ll be the starter going into next year regardless of coaches or draft – I’m pulling for him.
December 27th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Freeman starts the first three games, and in two out of three of those games he left the field with the lead and the defense blew it. We tend to forget that in our Freeman bashing. Does Freeman get benched after week three if we’d been 2 and 1?
Glennon takes over and does very well at first, because no one had NFL real game film on him. Once the opposing DC’s caught up, Glennon started looking more like a 3rd round rookie.
I can’t buy the idea that Schiano gets to write the season off because of Freeman. It doesn’t make sense. Freeman didn’t shove a player already out of bounds to lose the Jets game. Freeman wasn’t on the field at all after game 3. This team is bad because of coaching.
As to who the better QB is this year, between Freeman and Glennon, statistically Glennon is. He has a 2013 QB rating of 84.8, and Freeman’s is 40.6.
Summary – Freeman gets way too much blame for this horrid season. The single biggest reason the Bucs suck is the head coach. Glennon is the better QB of the two.
December 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Can Joe institute a 2014 moratorium on Josh Freeman articles? Just a hint: Freeman is not on this team anymore, nobody cares.
Unless you’re writing about Mr. Freeman’s Charity/Community work there is no need for another word to be written about him. He’s toast, we’re better off for it, 2014 is a new year.
December 27th, 2013 at 10:32 am
4-11 with NFL’s worst offense. Enough said
December 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am
It all starts up front, the online needs improving, it’s really that simple, keep your qb upright and open up running lanes for for your rbs, really, it’s that simple. Start by drafting an NFL ready lineman at any spot, then build your line around him, it’s really very simple, this is the Parcels handbook.
December 27th, 2013 at 10:50 am
@ChanEpic – Dungy, Gruden and Sapp haven’t been on this team for years and they get all kinds of site time. Just let it go man.
December 27th, 2013 at 10:56 am
@Patrick – Comparing Freeman to Dungy Gruden and Sapp = LOLZ!
Are you also lobbying Joe for more coverage on Reagan Upshaw, Chartrick Darby or Ryan Nece?
I got your point though buddy. Just venting I’ll calm down.
December 27th, 2013 at 11:11 am
@ChanEpic – Not so much lobbying as offering a bit of reality to serve as a coping method. I’d love nothing more than to see Freeman make his way out of the discussion. Actually, I take that back. I’d love seeing the Manziel talk end a little more, but it’s right up there.
December 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Josh Freeman led the team to comeback wins with less talent.
He’s not here and he wasn’t the main culprit in the first 3 losses.
The HC made him a scapegoat to cover his/distract from
his deficient coaching skills. The HC is ultimately responsible
for the team’s on field play. Using terms like Rip Van and Leaky
(Not really funny because leaking medically confidential info
is a serious matter) appeals to the Freeman bashers but the 4-11
record shows that contrary to what the coach said, Glennon did
not give them the best chance to win.
December 27th, 2013 at 11:34 am
LOL Draft is in May. Buckle up. 🙂
December 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
@Joe – Hence my employment of coping mechanisms 🙂 It’s all in good fun though
December 27th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
@JOE
that’s the most pathetic excuse for Greg Schiano I’ve heard from you so far’….Gregory should get a mulligano because Freeman sabotaged or season really?
You might want to re-read what Joe actually wrote. –Joe
I mean is Josh Freeman all of a sudden a Tom Brady or Carson Palmer or peyton manning type player that’s got that kind of pull….Mr toes onlon the line got set up by the thriller Josh Freeman? Then yea he should be fired because only a college coach like Schiano can be bad at coaching and benching players….
December 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
As desperate as Minnesota was this season, and they still sat Freeman pretty much says everything.
Of course, Freeman was not the only problem. But, by keeping him, you are only ensuring the problem will never get fixed. He was one part of a large problem, but, he was still a problem.
December 27th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
He didnt say he’s smarter. Just that glennon makes smart throws. Like throwing the checkdown every third down instead of making a superb throw into coverage for the first down. He takes the easy no risk throws which is why we are last in the nfl. glennon needs to grow a pair if he is going to do anything in the nfl. He needs to stop taking avoidable sacks, stop throwing the ball away on 3rd down, and start trusting his wrs and his arm. Guys are wide open all over the place, he just doesnt pull the trigger and hits the 2 yard checkdowns over and over. You can learn to be smarter but it takes balls to an nfl qb. You can keep smart, ill take a qb who has the balls to throw in coverage and take a big hit if it means getting a first down
December 27th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
nice of malcolm jenkins to speak somewhat positively of glennon, but this doesn’t exactly smack of overwhelming praise. the difference he cites between glennon and freeman is probably just as true of the difference between glennon and brett favre
December 27th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Glennon will be just fine, on the bench, with an offensive minded HC. (Jay Gruden)
December 27th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
You know, Johnny Football could actually fall to us if we trade down. And if not, I kind of like Zach Mettenberger in the second round.
Bridgewater “seems” to have all the things you want in a QB, except maybe height.
Honestly, if we’re looking for competition for Glennon, Zach Mettenberger might be the pick to go with, and he might be there in round 2.